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(Telegraph)   "Let's see...fever, check. Infection in the lungs, check. Coughing up blood, check. My dear, it is of my professional opinion that you're just lovesick"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 82
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2012-05-16 02:02:46 PM
"She coughs up blood?"

"Not like she used to."
 
2012-05-16 02:15:52 PM
"What's your medical degree in? Poetry?"
 
2012-05-16 02:20:59 PM
Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source
 
2012-05-16 02:59:02 PM
Sounds like Boogie Fever.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-16 03:22:25 PM

thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source


In before some moron...oh.

Well in before "she just did it so her parents could file a frivolous malpractice suit".
 
2012-05-16 03:39:10 PM
Well, technically lovedead now.
 
2012-05-16 04:17:50 PM
Was it Lupus?
 
2012-05-16 04:21:00 PM
Smitten with love. Or Ebola. Tests haven't come back.
 
2012-05-16 04:22:05 PM
That "doctor" needs to be skinned alive, rolled in salt, thrown in to a pool of alcohol, and set on fire.
 
2012-05-16 04:22:06 PM
Can someone more versed in the British healthcare answer this question for me:

Why didn't they go to another doctor?

They continued to go to the same doctor from July to August while she got progressively worse...is this not allowed?
 
2012-05-16 04:23:00 PM

thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source


Anecdotes are not data. Would you care to stack up outcomes? Because when you look at how socialized medicine is doing compared to our system, we pay more for worse care.
 
2012-05-16 04:24:41 PM
Socialised medicine in the UK is generally pretty good, but there's no way this scumbag Doctor was fit to practise under any system.

Tragic.
 
2012-05-16 04:24:51 PM

thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!


Derped in three.
 
2012-05-16 04:25:01 PM
"That "doctor" needs to be skinned alive, rolled in salt, thrown in to a pool of alcohol, and set on fire."

Ah yes, the old "lovesick" cure. Wait - the doctor's lovesick?
 
2012-05-16 04:27:53 PM
Courtney Lovesick, perhaps.
 
2012-05-16 04:28:24 PM
Isn't this a repeat?
 
2012-05-16 04:28:24 PM
It's the UK, here we call it cooties and yes, those are the symptoms of cooties.
 
2012-05-16 04:28:41 PM
AbiNormal

That "doctor" needs to be skinned alive, rolled in salt, thrown in to a pool of alcohol, and set on fire.


Ehem...

FTFA:
Alina Sarag was seen by more than five doctors at four different hospitals


Hurray for govt. medicine!
 
2012-05-16 04:29:36 PM
This sort of thing would NEVER happen in America!
 
2012-05-16 04:30:11 PM

thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source


how about the entire quote: Like every system, the National Health Service has problems, but over all it appears to provide quite good care while spending only about 40 percent as much per person as we do. By the way, our own Veterans Health Administration, which is run somewhat like the British health service, also manages to combine quality care with low costs.

so yes NHS screws up sometimes. and frankly i wouldn't want to live in britain and have it. however being a VA patient i can say that their care of me is great. can't speak for everyone.
 
2012-05-16 04:31:36 PM
How about the PA who was masquerading as an MD in NY?

Yay, American medicine!

Amiduneitrite?
 
2012-05-16 04:31:48 PM
Sounds like she been taken the Hoffan serum.
 
2012-05-16 04:31:54 PM

AbiNormal: That "doctor" needs to be skinned alive, rolled in salt, thrown in to a pool of alcohol, and set on fire.


Doctors. Plural. This was the diagnosis of no fewer than five doctors.
 
2012-05-16 04:32:17 PM

thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source


Because medical malpractice NEVER happens in for-profit, user-pay health care systems.
 
2012-05-16 04:32:55 PM

ClockworkRingtail: This sort of thing would NEVER happen in America!


Not without multiple somebodies getting sued, no... I don't think you can sue for malpractice over there. Not sure, though.
 
2012-05-16 04:33:33 PM

Evil Mackerel: Sounds like she has taken the Hoffan serum.


FTFM
 
2012-05-16 04:34:04 PM

RichieLaw: Can someone more versed in the British healthcare answer this question for me:

Why didn't they go to another doctor?

They continued to go to the same doctor from July to August while she got progressively worse...is this not allowed?


It's probably the same as many places here in that there are HUGE waiting lists for new patients at most clinics. So while she was likely free to sign up as a new patient at another clinic it probably had a 2-6 month waiting list till she could get her first appointment with a new GP.

As to why the heck they didn't catch this at the hospital, I have no freaking clue.
 
2012-05-16 04:34:45 PM

unlikely: "She coughs up blood?"

"Not like she used to."


Man, screw you. I was determined to be nasty about this post, but you made me chuckle. I just can't take the article seriously anymore.
 
2012-05-16 04:34:55 PM
Usually*:

Trolling = Derp = Disagree with someone so I'll call him a derogatory name


* But not always
(disclaimer for the insipid)
 
2012-05-16 04:37:14 PM
I know it's the Telegraph and not the Daily Fail, but is it at all relevant that everyone named in the story sounds Indian?
 
2012-05-16 04:47:50 PM
All right, I'll have the dead, unjugged rabbit fish.

/appalling
 
2012-05-16 04:48:49 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: How about the PA who was masquerading as an MD in NY?

Yay, American medicine!

Amiduneitrite?


No....not right at all. What on earth would a pennsylvanian, pretending to be a marylander in new york have to do with this?
 
2012-05-16 04:49:13 PM

CheatCommando: thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source

Anecdotes are not data. Would you care to stack up outcomes? Because when you look at how socialized medicine is doing compared to our system, we pay more for worse care.


How cute, you used the WHO's rankings.

Following your link leads to this link

Link

Read up on their methodology and tell me that this study actually measures quality of care. Note that the U.S. has the most responsive system, probably the single best item of 5 they looked at that relates to the quality of care in the U.S.

We may pay a lot, but don't come in here spouting nonsense about shiatty care linking to studies with bad methodologies.

When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.
 
2012-05-16 04:50:18 PM

Blitherakt: AbiNormal: That "doctor" needs to be skinned alive, rolled in salt, thrown in to a pool of alcohol, and set on fire.

Doctors. Plural. This was the diagnosis of no fewer than five doctors.


But because nobody was practicing "defensive medicine," a sputum test was never done, so she was never properly diagnosed. And over here, with our lawsuit paranoia, somebody would have done the test.

A doctor would have looked at the chart and said, "If I don't do this test and something goes wrong, my ass is grass in a lawsuit. Order the damn test." It runs up the cost of our medical care--but it does tend to catch things like this. Which doesn't mean we don't ever, ever have things go wrong and doesn't mean we don't have loads of "unnecessary" tests done. Because we do.

Except her case shows that not all those so-called "unnecessary" tests are quite so unnecessary. All the systems have things that go badly wrong sometimes, and it's always tragic when that happens.
 
2012-05-16 04:54:03 PM
Wanted to add one thing:

It's quite likely that both sides were "right" in this. It's very strange for someone of her age to get disseminated TB (which is the only sort of TB that would produce her symptoms/kill her this fast). You basically need a craptastic or underdeveloped immune system. This is why such is usually seen in AIDS patients or in infants/toddlers (who have underdeveloped immune systems only slighter better than AIDS patients).

Another way of having a crappy immune system is anorexia/bulimia. So they might have been right with such a diagnosis, but wrong in that they didn't look any further.
 
2012-05-16 04:54:56 PM
Anyone who doesn't think our health care system is screwed needs to hang out in a hospital for a few weeks.

/ just spent two weeks in the NICU
// only two of us had health insurance in there
 
2012-05-16 05:01:43 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: CheatCommando: thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source

Anecdotes are not data. Would you care to stack up outcomes? Because when you look at how socialized medicine is doing compared to our system, we pay more for worse care.

How cute, you used the WHO's rankings.

Following your link leads to this link

Link

Read up on their methodology and tell me that this study actually measures quality of care. Note that the U.S. has the most responsive system, probably the single best item of 5 they looked at that relates to the quality of care in the U.S.

We may pay a lot, but don't come in here spouting nonsense about shiatty care linking to studies with bad methodologies.

When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.


Yep, border hospitals have Canadians in them paying for what is supposedly free north of the border.
 
2012-05-16 05:09:15 PM

RichieLaw: Can someone more versed in the British healthcare answer this question for me:

Why didn't they go to another doctor?

They continued to go to the same doctor from July to August while she got progressively worse...is this not allowed?


Alina Sarag was seen by more than five doctors at four different hospitals but medics failed to detect the curable disease.
 
2012-05-16 05:13:00 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Geriatric Goodman Brown: CheatCommando: thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!

Obligatory Krugman quote:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Source

Anecdotes are not data. Would you care to stack up outcomes? Because when you look at how socialized medicine is doing compared to our system, we pay more for worse care.

How cute, you used the WHO's rankings.

Following your link leads to this link

Link

Read up on their methodology and tell me that this study actually measures quality of care. Note that the U.S. has the most responsive system, probably the single best item of 5 they looked at that relates to the quality of care in the U.S.

We may pay a lot, but don't come in here spouting nonsense about shiatty care linking to studies with bad methodologies.

When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.

Yep, border hospitals have Canadians in them paying for what is supposedly free north of the border.


It's still free for them when they come to the states usually.
 
2012-05-16 05:15:02 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.


When you stop spouting urban legends backed up by anecdotal evidence and post actual links of more than a few people doing this for more than elective medical needs, maybe you can talk.

That being said, here's another person who claimed he had love sickness but really had Tuberculosis:

i.ytimg.com

/he's your huckleberry
 
2012-05-16 05:24:58 PM

Curious: thompsonius: Yay socialized medicine!


By the way, our own Veterans Health Administration, which is run somewhat like the British health service, also manages to combine quality care with low costs.

however being a VA patient i can say that their care of me is great. can't speak for everyone.


No. You can't.

You might have it farking wonderful in your Mary Poppins farking VA system. And I'll cheerfully concede that Oklahoma City is miles above any other VA I have ever been forced to endure, but in the five - count them, five (because not one of them except Oklahoma City... all of them major metros I might add, has been able to manage to treat brain and spinal injury and has to send me out of area at my own farking expense - VA systems I've been stuck with, not one of them is remotely up to standard. And when I say that, I mean I have escorted medicaid patients to and through free community clinics where they got better, timelier, more compassionate care with people who actually gave a flying fark.

When you, as a patient, have to go to a goddamned SENATOR to get your healthcare when you are 100% disabled - permanently, because of your military service - then, no, the VA isn't "quality." It's not even "good." It's a goddamned mother farking nightmare.

And this is what some people's "hope and change" has inflicted on poor, innocent civilians and children. I can stand it for myself - I volunteered for that shiat. But I have nothing but contempt for you farkers who foisted it upon my countrymen, in particular, your parents and children. Because what I deal with and worse is what you've done to your kids.
 
2012-05-16 05:28:28 PM

JohnAnnArbor:
Yep, border hospitals have Canadians in them paying for what is supposedly free north of the border.


"Michael Vujovich, 61, of Windsor was taken to Detroit's Henry Ford Hospital for an angioplasty procedure after he went to a Windsor hospital in April. Vujovich said the U.S. backup doesn't show a gap in Canada's system, but shows how it works.

"I go to the hospital in Windsor and two hours later, I'm done having angioplasty in Detroit," he said. His $38,000 bill was covered by the Ontario health ministry.
"

http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians -v isit-U-S-get-health-care

/Keep on derpin' in the free world
 
2012-05-16 05:30:36 PM

Blitherakt: ClockworkRingtail: This sort of thing would NEVER happen in America!

Not without multiple somebodies getting sued, no... I don't think you can sue for malpractice over there. Not sure, though.


You can be criminally liable for gross negligence manslaughter and no reason you couldn't be sued for damages in the civil courts, but the measure of damages is based on loss rather than compensation.
 
2012-05-16 05:31:34 PM

Aigoo: [...]
And this is what some people's "hope and change" has inflicted on poor, innocent civilians and children. I can stand it for myself - I volunteered for that shiat. But I have nothing but contempt for you farkers who foisted it upon my countrymen, in particular, your parents and children. Because what I deal with and worse is what you've done to your kids.


Thank you for your service and I'm sorry to hear of your troubles but I have no earthly idea what point you're trying to make here.
 
2012-05-16 05:34:02 PM
CSB

I kept getting assaulted by a girl in my middle school. I'm not talking about leftie liberal assault where "you called my kid a failure imma SUE you" or unwanted hugs like that. I'm talking she would hit me with her clarinet case for no reason. I could hold my own but I didn't hit back because I was afraid of getting in trouble. After numerous attempts to tell her to stop, my parents intervened and talked to the vice principal to get her to stop. He told them "oh it's just young love, like Becky Thatcher and Tom Sawyer."



So crap like this does happen.
 
2012-05-16 05:35:34 PM
TB? That one brings a somber moment to anyone that was ever in close contact with her.

/the words "Oh Fark" come to mind
 
2012-05-16 05:59:44 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.


It's generally the wealthy Canadians who go down there for top-shelf treatment. The thing that's better is that non-wealthy Canadians still get to see doctors. The doctors up here are OK, not bad not great, but when you're 22 and working three part-time jobs, getting sick up here is survivable.

What would have happened if a 15-year old daughter of a part-time shop clerk turned up with symptoms in Oklahoma? How much treatment, how many tests would she have got?
 
2012-05-16 06:02:54 PM
An arrogant Indian doctor in the NHS? I am shocked!

As for the other buggers - they read the initial diagnosis and went along with it. Ever sought a second opinion?

It happens in the US as well - we needn't feel smug about it.

Poor girl. Very sad.
 
2012-05-16 06:09:37 PM

Mors: Geriatric Goodman Brown: When Canadians stop coming to the U.S. to get treatment we'll talk.

It's generally the wealthy Canadians who go down there for top-shelf treatment. The thing that's better is that non-wealthy Canadians still get to see doctors. The doctors up here are OK, not bad not great, but when you're 22 and working three part-time jobs, getting sick up here is survivable.

What would have happened if a 15-year old daughter of a part-time shop clerk turned up with symptoms in Oklahoma? How much treatment, how many tests would she have got?


Getting sick is survivable here too, you'd just go bankrupt. If you go to the emergency room, they have to take you.

That being said, in THIS scenario you wouldn't get five rounds of tests, you'd get what they could do on-the-spot and it would bankrupt your average shop clerk right there. Any additional testing would ONLY happen if they could find a way to pay.

So yeah, THIS scenario is a death sentence for anyone in the US who doesn't have good insurance.
 
2012-05-16 06:10:53 PM

r0Be: AMonkey'sUncle: How about the PA who was masquerading as an MD in NY?

Yay, American medicine!

Amiduneitrite?

No....not right at all. What on earth would a pennsylvanian, pretending to be a marylander in new york have to do with this?


You, sir, are funny, and I clicked your funny? button accordingly.
 
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