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(NPR)   Despite years of trying to grow the donor pool, replacement organs are still in critically short supply for people whose names aren't Dick Cheney or Steve Jobs. The solution? Tax credits for organ donors   (npr.org) divider line 169
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2012-05-16 09:14:51 AM
It should be mandatory unless a person has some moral, ethical, or religious opposition.
 
2012-05-16 09:23:56 AM
Paying people to donate organs? Bad idea.

Better idea? If two people are compatible with an available organ, the one who has pledged to donate their organs gets first dibs.
 
2012-05-16 09:25:09 AM
The tax credit idea is actually pretty good. It allows people to opt out, but motivates people who might not have thought about it before.

Take 'em when I'm gone, less crap to cremate.
 
2012-05-16 09:37:59 AM
What I'm picturing is a new reality show. A few dozen people who need a specific organ are released into a building in which is hidden the body of a recently deceased organ donor whose blood type matches all of them. Each patient has a scalpel and a bag of dry ice. Their goal is to find the donor, cut out the organ, and make their way to a special room in the basement where a surgeon and his team are waiting. The first donor there gets the surgery. There's no other rules.
 
2012-05-16 10:40:18 AM
F*ck that

/I want Dick Cheney's health plan
 
2012-05-16 11:07:37 AM

Aarontology: It should be mandatory unless a person has some moral, ethical, or religious opposition.


I don't see that going over too well, but it should at least be the default... you should need to sign up to NOT be on the donor list. Sheer laziness alone would add millions to the donor rolls. Donors should also always get first dibs to receive organs ahead of non-donors.
 
2012-05-16 11:18:35 AM
This evening I'm going to the viewing of a dear friend who just donated his organs, so I'm really getting a kick....

/img.ibtimes.com
 
2012-05-16 12:44:01 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Aarontology: It should be mandatory unless a person has some moral, ethical, or religious opposition.

I don't see that going over too well, but it should at least be the default... you should need to sign up to NOT be on the donor list. Sheer laziness alone would add millions to the donor rolls. Donors should also always get first dibs to receive organs ahead of non-donors.


That's probably a better way of handling it, actually.
 
2012-05-16 01:00:30 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: F*ck that

/I want Dick Cheney's health plan


His new heart will be a collector's item.
 
2012-05-16 01:16:20 PM

Pocket Ninja: What I'm picturing is a new reality show. A few dozen people who need a specific organ are released into a building in which is hidden the body of a recently deceased organ donor whose blood type matches all of them. Each patient has a scalpel and a bag of dry ice. Their goal is to find the donor, cut out the organ, and make their way to a special room in the basement where a surgeon and his team are waiting. The first donor there gets the surgery. There's no other rules.


5 seasons and a movie!
 
2012-05-16 01:16:34 PM
So, I donate an organ and the result is that I end up with more money than if I hadn't donated it.

All I need is a receipt!
 
2012-05-16 01:16:35 PM
I need the paramedics focused on me, not my organs
 
2012-05-16 01:16:39 PM
I have an organ I'm *MORE* than willing to donate....

legacy-cdn.smosh.com

(Disclaimer....not an actual photo of me.)

/EIP
 
2012-05-16 01:17:09 PM
I hope Cheney's heart leaps out of his chest and runs away screaming, flailing its little arteries..
 
2012-05-16 01:17:11 PM
It's very easy- not enough young people die with good healthy organs to satisfy demand. There will always be a shortage.
 
2012-05-16 01:18:43 PM
The profit motive in my health care? It's more likely than I think.

Just remember. The people who make money off the donation of organs isn't the donor. It's their loved ones. You know, the people who order the doctors to pull plug off of life support.

Think about it.
 
2012-05-16 01:19:56 PM

ChipNASA: I have an organ I'm *MORE* than willing to donate....



(Disclaimer....not an actual photo of me.)

/EIP


I posted that picture once, I must've offended some prude because I got a nice little vacation
 
2012-05-16 01:20:46 PM
Depends on how it's done. Tax credit for actually donating, or for being on the organ donor list? (For instance, I'm on the organ donor list: If I die, I'm not gonna farking need them, but I'm not going to donate my organs while I'm alive unless I likely know the person. A bit selfish, I suppose.)

Would it also extend to things like being on a bone marrow donor list? (We *do* need more people on that list, and I am on that one...)
 
2012-05-16 01:21:21 PM
Israel solved this in a simple way. If you're not an organ donor, all organ donors take priority ahead of you if you need a transplant. Solved in an entirely fair and humane way.
 
2012-05-16 01:22:32 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The profit motive in my health care? It's more likely than I think.

Just remember. The people who make money off the donation of organs isn't the donor. It's their loved ones. You know, the people who order the doctors to pull plug off of life support.

Think about it.


Would probably be just a yearly tax credit. Just prove you were a donor for the year and bam...more money on your return (or however they will do it)
 
2012-05-16 01:22:37 PM
I've got to wonder how many people like my dumbass MIL are hampering organ donor efforts. My MIL actually, fervently believes that when you're admitted to the hospital the doctors check your organ donor status, and if you're signed up as a donor they kill you for your organs. She even claimed--with a completely straight face--"that's why doctors are so rich...they sell them for a price." No amount of arguments--for example, the fact that I'm signed up as an organ donor, was admitted to the hospital last year, and am still alive--will change her mind on that.

I'd chalk this up to my MIL's unique...uh...worldview, but there are plenty of people in America who are JUST THAT STUPID.
 
2012-05-16 01:22:53 PM
It won't pass. Once someone says that it makes not getting the tax break into a "tax on the Jewish", it'll get shot down.

/I think I just did...
 
2012-05-16 01:24:26 PM
Is tax credit retro-active? I am all for it.

/Left Kidney donor to my Aunt.
 
2012-05-16 01:24:56 PM
Isn't this a NationStates issue?
 
2012-05-16 01:25:07 PM
Also, could they do this for donating blood as well? Get so much credit for so many pints o the red stuff?
 
2012-05-16 01:25:39 PM
Tax deduction good, tax credit bad.

If you go the tax credit route you might as well just let folks pay poor people for their organs.
 
2012-05-16 01:26:54 PM
Totally see a possible Criminal minds episode where some Dick cheney like figure gets his hands on a list of compatible donors and has them die mysteriously (random shootings, car accidents, etc.) when he needs a new organ.
 
2012-05-16 01:27:00 PM
My old lady was refused a liver transplant on account of her lifestyle (taking too much Tylenol). She was in a coma for eight weeks before she died. In the hospitals on either side of her was a rather well-known musician getting his fourth liver according to the nurses and a washed-up TV comedian who had gotten hepatitis from farking too many Hawaiian cabana boys waiting for his first.

I offered to have my liver split so my old lady could live (we were compatible), but the doctors refused and then tried to get me to share my liver with somebody else. I refused. The doctors then started treating me like crap. And here's the kicker: After my old lady died, she was harvested for every gram of usable tissue they could scrape off her bones.

They want transplant organs? Learn to grow them in a farking bottle.
 
2012-05-16 01:27:15 PM
I really don't see the benefit of tax credits to someone missing vital organs, likely dead.

DNRTFA.

Can I get the tax credits now if I agree to donate my organs in advance? And in ten years when I change my mind and wish to no longer donate said organs, can I keep the tax credits i got up to that point?
 
2012-05-16 01:27:30 PM
>Dick Cheney

You mean, the pro-gay-marriage pioneer? Give the man some love for being ahead of the curve. And give him some new organs, too.

/ nice to see Obama finally catching up to Cheney's views
 
2012-05-16 01:28:12 PM

Serious Black: Paying people to donate organs? Bad idea.

Better idea? If two people are compatible with an available organ, the one who has pledged to donate their organs gets first dibs.


Well that's the thing about a "tax break/incentive" vs a "tax penalty". There's generally no difference in practice between the two, it's a semantic feature.

You might as well say it'll be a tax penalty for failure to register as a donor. You have a lower basic deduction if you're a non-donor. Either way, it's the same thing.
 
2012-05-16 01:28:51 PM

Burr: Also, could they do this for donating blood as well? Get so much credit for so many pints o the red stuff?


There was a big hubbub about blood donation here in Central Florida a couple years ago. Something along the lines of it being illegal for people to receive money for blood donations, yet the non-profits will sell it to hospitals for $300/pint so hospitals can charge insurance companies $1000/pint when they actually use the stuff. Meanwhile, the Central Florida Blood Bank's chief was enjoying a salary of more than 600k while terminating other employees.
 
2012-05-16 01:29:08 PM
I've been working on a start-up for the past year or so. Basically, my company pays you up front for your organs so you can enjoy the money while you are alive. Depending on your level of health, organ demand, etc, we give you anywhere from $250 to $1500 with the agreement that when you pass away, you bequeath the organ to us. That covers the supply side.

On the demand side, we're working on an eBay/eHarmony hybrid website. Your doctor tells you that you need a new lung and the wait is six years. Not any more! You log on to eOrgany, find your match using your criteria, and then place your bid. All the organs on the site are immediately available for safe shipping. We even guarantee that your body won't reject the organ for a full year, or your money back, minus shipping and handling costs.

The entire business is ready for a flip of the switch, but I'm still greasing a few uneasy palms in the ADA and Congress.
 
2012-05-16 01:29:09 PM

Coelacanth: My old lady was refused a liver transplant on account of her lifestyle (taking too much Tylenol). She was in a coma for eight weeks before she died. In the hospitals on either side of her was a rather well-known musician getting his fourth liver according to the nurses and a washed-up TV comedian who had gotten hepatitis from farking too many Hawaiian cabana boys waiting for his first.


That should be "hospital rooms".

Everytime an article like this comes up, I start to farking loose it. Sorry.
 
2012-05-16 01:29:26 PM
Ok, let me get this straight:

1. Letting a wealthy person pay me for part of my liver or a kidney = BAD BAD BAD
2. Giving my organs away for free/small tax break = good

We're in a Capitalist country right?
 
2012-05-16 01:29:39 PM
Require death row inmates to be organ donors as part of their sentence.
 
2012-05-16 01:30:20 PM

Aarontology: It should be mandatory unless a person has some moral, ethical, or religious opposition.


How about because I don't like the idea of some doctor saying, "Well he's just about dead and if we give him X we can't take his organs.... Meh fark it crack him open, dump in a bag ice, and let's start carving out parts."
 
2012-05-16 01:32:01 PM
I thought Facebook made everyone an organ dinner last month?
 
2012-05-16 01:32:21 PM
What we need in this country is fewer organ credits, and more letting people keep their own organs in the first place!
 
2012-05-16 01:33:09 PM

Serious Black: Paying people to donate organs? Bad idea.

Better idea? If two people are compatible with an available organ, the one who has pledged to donate their organs gets first dibs.


I think you'd also need some correction for "oh crap, I need a new heart. Better sign up to be on the donor list." Maybe "people who signed up earlier in their life get bonus points to move higher on the list" or something.

Mr. Eugenides: Tax deduction good, tax credit bad.

If you go the tax credit route you might as well just let folks pay poor people for their organs.


Remember folks, not all tax credits are refundable.
 
2012-05-16 01:33:24 PM
How about a requirement for legal immigrants to sign the card?

or illegals as a part of their in processing to to do a full donor match for all possible donations including regular blood donations? Prove that you want to join the "first world" society that you have managed to get into?

And exclusion for immigrants that refuse to sign up as donors but willingly receive transplants from others? (looking at ultra orthodox types)

I know this sounds rather radical, but I am serious.

/
 
2012-05-16 01:33:53 PM
There's a much simpler way to do it: Being an organ donor is the default assumption. If you don't want to be an organ donor, you fill out some forms and opt out.

Fail in Human Form: Aarontology: It should be mandatory unless a person has some moral, ethical, or religious opposition.

How about because I don't like the idea of some doctor saying, "Well he's just about dead and if we give him X we can't take his organs.... Meh fark it crack him open, dump in a bag ice, and let's start carving out parts."


Yea, except doctors don't really do that. Any who did would be fired, immediately, and their license suspended permanently, and they would be sued by the family of the patient whom they've withheld treatment from.
 
2012-05-16 01:34:13 PM
Put a profit motive in organ donation and all you do is ensure a limitless supply of parts for the rich and powerful.

72 and on your 3rd liver because you refuse to stop drinking? Congrats, you just moved to the top of the list ahead of young mothers whose livers failed due to no fault of their own. Why? The mean green.

You'll also create a new class of walking wounded; people who donate a kidney, peice of liver, etc all for cash. The rich get healthy and the poor get sick.

/bah. Is there anything money can't corrupt?
 
2012-05-16 01:34:18 PM

Pocket Ninja: What I'm picturing is a new reality show. A few dozen people who need a specific organ are released into a building in which is hidden the body of a recently deceased organ donor whose blood type matches all of them. Each patient has a scalpel and a bag of dry ice. Their goal is to find the donor, cut out the organ, and make their way to a special room in the basement where a surgeon and his team are waiting. The first donor there gets the surgery. There's no other rules.


I'd be staking out the basement door.....waiting.
 
2012-05-16 01:34:45 PM
Two things:

1. You have to be an organ donor to be an organ receiver

2. Motorcyclists don't have to wear helmets, but they are automatic organ donors if they don't
 
2012-05-16 01:34:51 PM

John Napkintosh: Burr: Also, could they do this for donating blood as well? Get so much credit for so many pints o the red stuff?

There was a big hubbub about blood donation here in Central Florida a couple years ago. Something along the lines of it being illegal for people to receive money for blood donations, yet the non-profits will sell it to hospitals for $300/pint so hospitals can charge insurance companies $1000/pint when they actually use the stuff. Meanwhile, the Central Florida Blood Bank's chief was enjoying a salary of more than 600k while terminating other employees.


Did he at least harvest the organs of the employees he terminated?
 
2012-05-16 01:34:57 PM

Dude O Matic 5000: Ok, let me get this straight:

1. Letting a wealthy person pay me for part of my liver or a kidney = BAD BAD BAD
2. Giving my organs away for free/small tax break = good

We're in a Capitalist country right?


There is a difference between the two situations. In the first, enough money can bypass the transplant list. In the second, the list is still intact, you just get cash for donating. There's nothing wrong with selling your body, it's the 'using money to cut in line' that people seem to have a problem with.
 
2012-05-16 01:35:01 PM
www.lonelyreviewer.com

Step 3 - profit!
 
2012-05-16 01:35:36 PM
Seriously, no Repo Men references?

/Bah!
 
2012-05-16 01:36:11 PM
tax credits for being registered organ donors?

since you are not getting the money for actually donating the organs, but registering as a donor, it isn't exactly a pay for organ program. and since you are paying people for simply registering, the amount of compensation they would require would be far less per person (but spread out over more people). Plus donors would reap the benefits of the tax credits now.

That said, as a small government conservative, i don't think government-instituted tax incentives should be anywhere near this. That is an expanded role of government that should not be taken. And imagine obamacare death panels weighing organ donor status as a factor in their decisions?
 
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