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(USA Today)   Obama's failed energy policy at work: The US is currently the world's fastest growing oil and natural gas producer. "The new Middle East" according to Citigroup analysts   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2012-05-16 02:47:33 PM  

Bontesla: Bontesla: GarySZ: CommieTaoist: Remember: he's just doing this because it's an election year! If he is reelected than he'll immediately shut down all refineries and make everyone convert their vehicles to run on leprechaun farts as everyone is forced to gay marry their pets after he takes all their firearms away! It's all just a ploy!

Exactly what I was thinking. This is so obviously the same strategy he's using re: our right to bear arms. Oh sure, it's all sunshine and rainbows now but give the guy a 2nd term and we'll all be limited to spitballs and a Prius.

Hey . . . have you seen the Prius V? They're larger and more cost-effective than the older Prius.


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The internets ate my formatting. Sorry...


I waiting for the plug-in Ford Explorer to hit later this year. I have a short commute and could be gas free for my drive to work and back.
 
2012-05-16 02:48:14 PM  

dorko16: Mugato: because people aren't quite as stupid as the Republicans are counting on them being.

I'm not certain of that point.


dorko16: Mugato: because people aren't quite as stupid as the Republicans are counting on them being.

I'm not certain of that point.

 
2012-05-16 02:48:45 PM  

surewewang: Uchiha_Cycliste: But, that's what the GOP has been asking for. FFS they campaigned on drill baby drill. Now it's a problem?

They hate it because it's benefitting america instead of just making Obama look bad.


I wanna believe you are joking or exaggerating, but I know you are not. And it f*cking sickens me. Those god damn hypocritical traitors.
 
2012-05-16 02:49:58 PM  
Drill and conserve, drill and conserve.

Drill for more of our own oil while at the same time using less oil overall. Hopefully this means a substantial net drop in CO2 emissions.
 
2012-05-16 02:50:35 PM  

SultanofSchwing: What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.


This has to either be the snarkiest or most clueless comment ever made on fark. But I honestly can't tell which for the life of me.
 
2012-05-16 02:51:00 PM  
The oil coming out of North Dakota - and there's no denying that the Bakken alone is the biggest spike in US outputs - is mainly done on private land. As such, Obama's policies don't have jack shiate to do with the increased oil production. On federal lands - where his policies have the most control - oil permits, leases and wells are down considerably. Where his administration has played a major role in North Dakota is in all the red tape they keep putting up so that it makes it harder and harder to actually leave North Dakota. When driving through the Williston basin at night, there is hardly a need for headlights because the flames from the natural gas burn off light up the area so much. About 2/3rds of the natural gas from the well sites is burned off because there's no place to store it and no way to get it out of the state.

I'm no fan of Republicans or Romney, but to imply that domestic oil production increases has anything to do with Obama is a complete load.
 
2012-05-16 02:51:37 PM  

Pro Zack: Ask yourself this: would any Democrat give a Republican President credit for anything positive? Of course not.


Strawman at best. Lie at worst.

I fully approved of Bush's immigration plan that the rest of his party torpedoed.

He also was against a change in business accounting rules, that got implemented anyway. Caused companies to withdraw their discount on ESPP stock. My company went from 15% to 5% discount as a result.

And I stated my support of those things back when they were happening.
 
2012-05-16 02:52:18 PM  

Pro Zack: Mugato: So no, they'e not going to give him credit for anything else, ever.

I am sure they will give him credit for all of the negative things that occur while he is president, and for the twenty years following it.

Ask yourself this: would any Democrat give a Republican President credit for anything positive? Of course not.


george w. bush saved a lot of lives in africa. more that he killed in iraq prbly.
 
2012-05-16 02:52:18 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: SultanofSchwing: What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.

This has to either be the snarkiest or most clueless comment ever made on fark. But I honestly can't tell which for the life of me.


Prove me wrong.
 
2012-05-16 02:52:47 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Does not change the fact that all society is practically based on a resource that is finite. People need to understand the real problem is that cheap oil won't be around forever


At some point, it'll be to expensive to pull a barrel up from the ground.

I'd like to have some alternative before we reach that point, but I am very doubtful it will happen before we start to frack the oil shales in the US.

//Fun fact, the both the US and the USSR tested using nukes for natural gas and oil reclamation.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:04 PM  

Bontesla: For some reason - there has been an oddly successful campaign painting Rmoney as a secret moderate.


Romney was actually a moderate when he was governor. He only became a right-winger during the primaries because it was the only way he could compete with the rest of the lunatics in the field.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:12 PM  
He's only pretending to work to expand fossil fuel production so he can enact his master plan to take it all away in his second term. Or, at least, that's what the gun-nutters are always saying about his expansion of gun rights.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:13 PM  

Lord_Baull: Oh, so now "Drill Baby Drill" is a bad thing.

It's hard to keep up.


He deflects right, dodges the point up the middle! HE'S IN OPEN GROUND, HE'S GOING FOR THE SHOT. HE MADE IT! HE MADE IT! TROOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
 
2012-05-16 02:53:45 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: SultanofSchwing: What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.

This has to either be the snarkiest or most clueless comment ever made on fark. But I honestly can't tell which for the life of me.


It hits the exact opposite of several points. I'd say it's a trap.
 
2012-05-16 02:54:27 PM  

FilmBELOH20: The oil coming out of North Dakota - and there's no denying that the Bakken alone is the biggest spike in US outputs - is mainly done on private land. As such, Obama's policies don't have jack shiate to do with the increased oil production. On federal lands - where his policies have the most control - oil permits, leases and wells are down considerably. Where his administration has played a major role in North Dakota is in all the red tape they keep putting up so that it makes it harder and harder to actually leave North Dakota. When driving through the Williston basin at night, there is hardly a need for headlights because the flames from the natural gas burn off light up the area so much. About 2/3rds of the natural gas from the well sites is burned off because there's no place to store it and no way to get it out of the state.

I'm no fan of Republicans or Romney, but to imply that domestic oil production increases has anything to do with Obama is a complete load.


You're adorable.
 
2012-05-16 02:54:29 PM  

Pro Zack:
Ask yourself this: would any Democrat give a Republican President credit for anything positive? Of course not.


"The capture of Saddam Hussein by U.S. forces is great news for the Iraqi people and a morale boost for our troops. I congratulate President Bush and join him in commending our men and women in uniform and the civilian members of the intelligence community on a job well done. It was their dedication, professionalism and skill that made this success possible."

House Speaker Pelosi on the capture of Saddam Hussein.
 
2012-05-16 02:54:59 PM  
President Obama continues to prove that he's the best Republican president since Eisenhower.
 
2012-05-16 02:55:29 PM  
Wow, Obama is an AWESOME Republican. If only he wasn't Black, he'd already have his own national holiday.

As a former Republican (left the party in '02 when the derpstorm started becoming treasonous) and conservationist/businessman (yes, we do exist), the only thing that would make me happier with Obama would be if he would start from the left and compromise to the middle more often, rather than start at the middle and compromise right.

Its hard to blame him though, when the bluedog punkass biatches nerfed his supermajority, and then douchenozzle supremes like Cantor, McConnell, and Boner have increased the number cloture votes to the point that they might lose it for violating the constitution. This is going to be the most no-brainer election in my lifetime...
 
2012-05-16 02:56:23 PM  
www.man1health.com
Man oil.... the gender mutilator.
 
2012-05-16 02:56:56 PM  

meat0918: I'd like to have some alternative before we reach that point,


*cough* ride a bike =D *cough*
 
2012-05-16 02:57:16 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: SphericalTime: Republicans seem to generally be idiots these days.

These days? My my reckoning the party's been idiots since April 5, 1991.


I must be older than you, because by my reckoning it was late 1979.
 
2012-05-16 02:59:30 PM  
What did Obama do that resulted in this large gain in oil production?
 
2012-05-16 03:01:12 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Citrate1007: The only reason the GOP hates his energy policy is because he doesn't want to let a CANADIAN company build a pipline across OUR COUNTY to sell oil to FOREIGN countries.

/Fark the GOP and their unethical ties to big oil

What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.


Sure about that?

Canadian companies backing the Keystone XL - touted as enhancing US energy security with a big new surge of imported Canadian oil - actually expect it to supply more lucrative Gulf Coast export markets as well as raise Midwest oil prices by reducing "oversupply" in that region.
 
2012-05-16 03:01:41 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Does not change the fact that all society is practically based on a resource that is finite. People need to understand the real problem is that oil won't be around forever


canyoneer?
 
2012-05-16 03:01:45 PM  

Pro Zack:
Ask yourself this: would any Democrat give a Republican President credit for anything positive? Of course not.


"The evangelical community raised the awareness of HIV and AIDS to the president. When the Bush administration came in, HIV and AIDS were not an overwhelming priority. Now we have seen a total metamorphosis."

Rep. Donald M. Payne (D-N.J.) - The top-ranking Democrat on the House International Relations Committee
 
2012-05-16 03:02:16 PM  

monoski: Bontesla: Bontesla: GarySZ: CommieTaoist: Remember: he's just doing this because it's an election year! If he is reelected than he'll immediately shut down all refineries and make everyone convert their vehicles to run on leprechaun farts as everyone is forced to gay marry their pets after he takes all their firearms away! It's all just a ploy!

Exactly what I was thinking. This is so obviously the same strategy he's using re: our right to bear arms. Oh sure, it's all sunshine and rainbows now but give the guy a 2nd term and we'll all be limited to spitballs and a Prius.

Hey . . . have you seen the Prius V? They're larger and more cost-effective than the older Prius.


https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX40jxnWCMbv1LOD A l-5g-AXRP8iJBqWdz59pPKsvDf351C94y

The internets ate my formatting. Sorry...


I waiting for the plug-in Ford Explorer to hit later this year. I have a short commute and could be gas free for my drive to work and back.


We leased the Prius 2010 in 2010 to see if we wanted to buy it. It was such a large amount of money - with no return - that we didn't want to sink the money into something that was unsatisfactory. I'm glad we did. The 2010 was fairly awful.

The car was designed so that you cannot transport anything with the hatchback open. It beeps at you the entire road - even if the hatchback is secured.

There's a sensor in the passenger seat that detects passengers. It triggers if it detects a passenger and the passenger isn't buckled. But they didn't carry that technology throughout the car. So, when the car is in motion, 90% of my displays become unuseable. It locks me out of the GPS, bluetooth, etc. While I appreciate that they don't want drivers to be distracted - if the car already detects a passenger - it would be helpful to unlock the features so that the passenger can work with the display.

There are other things like terrible ipod integration, slow-to-respond screens, etc.

I would definitely test drive the heck outta the vehicle before you buy. Our car was so new when we leased that there was no user feedback yet.
 
2012-05-16 03:04:04 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: and then douchenozzle supremes like Cantor, McConnell, and Boner have increased the number cloture votes to the point that they might lose it for violating the constitution.


The Constitution grants the Senate absolute power to set their own rules. Nothing about cloture is unconstitutional unless the Senate says it is.
 
2012-05-16 03:04:31 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Citrate1007: The only reason the GOP hates his energy policy is because he doesn't want to let a CANADIAN company build a pipline across OUR COUNTY to sell oil to FOREIGN countries.

/Fark the GOP and their unethical ties to big oil

What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.


So you're going to tell me that the point of ending the pipline in the Gulf of Mexico has nothing to do with selling the oil to foreign countries.......right. Keep drinking the cool aid.
 
2012-05-16 03:05:22 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: What did Obama do that resulted in this large gain in oil production?


About as much as he did to ruin/fix the economy. That's the great thing about voters. Oil production/marketing/distribution/refining/transportation/retail, while being extremely complicated, is even less complicated than "the economy" and both are too complicated for the average "X-Factor" viewer to even give a damn about. That's a key point. People don't even care to understand how it works. It's intimidating and confusing.

All that matters to voters is the result. Cheer up. If gas goes to $5 through no cause of Obama then he'll lose. If gas goes to $3 then he wins easy. Ain't democracy grand?
 
2012-05-16 03:06:03 PM  
Great, now he's stealing all our oil! THIS FARKING GUY!!!
 
2012-05-16 03:07:02 PM  
THANKS OBAMFART
 
2012-05-16 03:07:11 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Bontesla: For some reason - there has been an oddly successful campaign painting Rmoney as a secret moderate.

Romney was actually a moderate when he was governor. He only became a right-winger during the primaries because it was the only way he could compete with the rest of the lunatics in the field.


Well, at one point, Rmoney affiliated himself as a Democrat. At one point he was fully in support of the right to an abortion. Let's also not forget that Rmoney did some pretty socially conservative things as governor, too.

That doesn't mean that, if he were to lead, he would lead as a moderate. This belief - that Rmoney is hiding his moderate tendencies - can prove to be a problem for Democrats.
 
2012-05-16 03:07:20 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: What did Obama do that resulted in this large gain in oil production?


I'm just gonna say, the reason is probably that alot of previously unprofitable methods of extraction have either had technological (if not environmental) innovation bring them to the point of being cost effective, or the rising price of oil/energy has crossed the threshold so that these formerly cost-prohibitive forms of getting energy out of the earth's crust are now able to compete on the global commodities market. The danger/risk is that alot of these firms will be screwed just like the solar manufacturers when/if energy prices dip due to downturns in the economy or some other unforeseen factors.

Obama, to his credit, hasn't obstructed these new extraction methods through the EPA nearly as much as he could were he to listen to the far left wing of his party (has he EVER done that when it didn't apply to gays?). Especially with all the fracking controversy, Obama could easily have played populist forces against the Natural Gas and Oil lobbies, but for the most part he's given them a green light.

Might not benefit us in the long run if our groundwater gets contaminated with the trademarked chemical stew they use to frack, but hey, when was the last time our nation actually gave a shiat about the long run?
 
2012-05-16 03:07:31 PM  
Crap. This is going to push alternative energy back another 30 years. Whoo hoo! Cheap energy! Let's start building SUVs again!
 
2012-05-16 03:07:56 PM  

Bontesla: I would definitely test drive the heck outta the vehicle before you buy. Our car was so new when we leased that there was no user feedback yet.


Very helpful hints. Thanks!
 
2012-05-16 03:07:56 PM  

Citrate1007: SultanofSchwing: Citrate1007: The only reason the GOP hates his energy policy is because he doesn't want to let a CANADIAN company build a pipline across OUR COUNTY to sell oil to FOREIGN countries.

/Fark the GOP and their unethical ties to big oil

What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.

So you're going to tell me that the point of ending the pipline in the Gulf of Mexico has nothing to do with selling the oil to foreign countries.......right. Keep drinking the cool aid.


I believe that's where all the major refineries are, at least that's where they were when I was there. Canada can get it to it's own ports much quicker.
 
2012-05-16 03:10:48 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: IamKaiserSoze!!!: What did Obama do that resulted in this large gain in oil production?

I'm just gonna say, the reason is probably that alot of previously unprofitable methods of extraction have either had technological (if not environmental) innovation bring them to the point of being cost effective, or the rising price of oil/energy has crossed the threshold so that these formerly cost-prohibitive forms of getting energy out of the earth's crust are now able to compete on the global commodities market. The danger/risk is that alot of these firms will be screwed just like the solar manufacturers when/if energy prices dip due to downturns in the economy or some other unforeseen factors.

Obama, to his credit, hasn't obstructed these new extraction methods through the EPA nearly as much as he could were he to listen to the far left wing of his party (has he EVER done that when it didn't apply to gays?). Especially with all the fracking controversy, Obama could easily have played populist forces against the Natural Gas and Oil lobbies, but for the most part he's given them a green light.

Might not benefit us in the long run if our groundwater gets contaminated with the trademarked chemical stew they use to frack, but hey, when was the last time our nation actually gave a shiat about the long run?


about that - from HuffPo
 
2012-05-16 03:10:50 PM  

Citrate1007: SultanofSchwing: Citrate1007: The only reason the GOP hates his energy policy is because he doesn't want to let a CANADIAN company build a pipline across OUR COUNTY to sell oil to FOREIGN countries.

/Fark the GOP and their unethical ties to big oil

What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.

So you're going to tell me that the point of ending the pipline in the Gulf of Mexico has nothing to do with selling the oil to foreign countries.......right. Keep drinking the cool aid.


static8.businessinsider.com
Excuse me, but we only have five current pipelines delivering tar sand oil. All we need is a 6th and prices will really come down. You've just got to believe!
 
2012-05-16 03:11:07 PM  

Rent Party: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: and then douchenozzle supremes like Cantor, McConnell, and Boner have increased the number cloture votes to the point that they might lose it for violating the constitution.

The Constitution grants the Senate absolute power to set their own rules. Nothing about cloture is unconstitutional unless the Senate says it is.


You musta missed this one: The filibuster is unconstitutional, and the best lawyer in America is suing to get Supreme Court to abolish it
 
2012-05-16 03:13:00 PM  
ah, an article discussing the future of oil & gas has turned into an obama v romney pissing match with more emphasis on the former.

If only there were a separate tab for that....

/yes I understand politics has a large say in this but damn
 
2012-05-16 03:13:33 PM  

Aarontology: Drill baby, Drill only counts if a Republican is in charge!


Wait, so he's the one encouraging all that fracking, which is bad for the environment?
 
2012-05-16 03:13:47 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: SphericalTime: Republicans seem to generally be idiots these days.

These days? My my reckoning the party's been idiots since April 5, 1991.


without looking it up I am going with the government shutdown?

The one that forced me to burn through my entire savings account and then live off of cafeteria food because I worked in a national park while all the cops took the time off and got paid for it? That one?
 
2012-05-16 03:14:53 PM  

Serious Black: Pro Zack: Mugato: So no, they'e not going to give him credit for anything else, ever.

I am sure they will give him credit for all of the negative things that occur while he is president, and for the twenty years following it.

Ask yourself this: would any Democrat give a Republican President credit for anything positive? Of course not.

What?! Seriously? Okay, here goes...

1) George W. Bush stood up for American Muslims and forced us to focus on al-Qaeda rather than Muslims in general; Osama bin Laden even complained about this in the documents we confiscated from his complex.
2) George H. W. Bush was willing to marginally raise taxes to start us on the path to balancing the budget even in the face of getting crucified by his party.
3) Ronald Reagan's 1986 tax reform (though it lowered tax rates too much IMO) did a great job of reducing tax expenditures and removing a big source of government intervention in the market.
4) Richard Nixon was willing to institute a universal health care system that, while somewhat flawed, had many positives. It was also more Ted Kennedy's fault that it didn't happen.
5) Dwight Eisenhower created the farking Interstate Highway System, probably the single most successful public works project of all time.


I stand corrected, and should have specified talking heads or pundits.
In the same vein - to counter the original post
Obama threatened to regulate oil speculation just a couple of weeks ago, and the gasoline prices went down freakishly quickly.
Obama handled the financial crisis as well as anyone could have.
Obama handles the media very well.
Obama pronounces nuclear correctly.
 
2012-05-16 03:16:23 PM  

Rent Party: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: and then douchenozzle supremes like Cantor, McConnell, and Boner have increased the number cloture votes to the point that they might lose it for violating the constitution.

The Constitution grants the Senate absolute power to set their own rules. Nothing about cloture is unconstitutional unless the Senate says it is.


It is if the Senate says "Only the Muslims elected to this body may submit cloture motions", that's a rule that the courts can strike down. The rule-making power is not "absolute".

SCOTUS will likely not touch the issue of the filibuster, but I feel like that's more out of deference to the ~200 year old rule as a tradition of the upper chamber, not because they've looked critically at what it means when a dedicated minority party can effectively force an extra-Constitutional requirement of 60 votes to get bills passed.
 
2012-05-16 03:16:37 PM  

jake_lex: dorko16: I guess those analysts are unaware he is black.

Fartbongo Hussein Obummer is obviously setting us up to take that gas and sell it to the Nazi islamic Commies who'll invade America and make you marry a dude.

/probably not what the Tea Party actually believes
//but close


Well *I* Heard that the Energy Secretary disobeyed a direct order from Obama to *not* allow this oil and natural gas production but that Chu went out and personally drilled the wells and basically only told Obama after the fact;

s'what I heard
 
2012-05-16 03:17:37 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: IamKaiserSoze!!!: What did Obama do that resulted in this large gain in oil production?

I'm just gonna say, the reason is probably that alot of previously unprofitable methods of extraction have either had technological (if not environmental) innovation bring them to the point of being cost effective, or the rising price of oil/energy has crossed the threshold so that these formerly cost-prohibitive forms of getting energy out of the earth's crust are now able to compete on the global commodities market. The danger/risk is that alot of these firms will be screwed just like the solar manufacturers when/if energy prices dip due to downturns in the economy or some other unforeseen factors.

Obama, to his credit, hasn't obstructed these new extraction methods through the EPA nearly as much as he could were he to listen to the far left wing of his party (has he EVER done that when it didn't apply to gays?). Especially with all the fracking controversy, Obama could easily have played populist forces against the Natural Gas and Oil lobbies, but for the most part he's given them a green light.

Might not benefit us in the long run if our groundwater gets contaminated with the trademarked chemical stew they use to frack, but hey, when was the last time our nation actually gave a shiat about the long run?

about that - from HuffPo


Did you even read the article? He's not doing anything about the public water contamination controversy, he's mandating capture of airborne methane and gas that they can turn around and sell. They might actually MAKE money on this.

Clearly, Obama is history's greatest monster.
 
2012-05-16 03:20:17 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Rent Party: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: and then douchenozzle supremes like Cantor, McConnell, and Boner have increased the number cloture votes to the point that they might lose it for violating the constitution.

The Constitution grants the Senate absolute power to set their own rules. Nothing about cloture is unconstitutional unless the Senate says it is.

You musta missed this one: The filibuster is unconstitutional, and the best lawyer in America is suing to get Supreme Court to abolish it


You musta missed this one:

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member." I'll leave it to you to discover where that is written down.

There is not a court on this planet vested with the authority to intervene in Senatorial matters, including the SCOTUS. There is a separation between the three powers of our government. You would have to be the world's worst lawyer to even think a court can compel a congressional rule change.

There is no Constitutional requirement that votes in the Congress be determined by simple majority, or even a freaking vote at all. If the Senate decides that "Whatever Harry Ried thinks is good gets passed, but only on Tuesdays" then that's the rule. Constitutionality of Senate (and House) rules is *entirely* subject to the decisions of the members. Not the courts. Any court. Including the Supreme Court.

Don't they teach civics any more?
 
2012-05-16 03:21:27 PM  

Citrate1007: SultanofSchwing: Citrate1007: The only reason the GOP hates his energy policy is because he doesn't want to let a CANADIAN company build a pipline across OUR COUNTY to sell oil to FOREIGN countries.

/Fark the GOP and their unethical ties to big oil

What? Keystone has nothing to do with selling Oil to foreign countries. Unless by foreign you mean Illinois? We don't need to pipe oil through America to sell it elsewhere, we have two open coastlines to do that if we wanted to.

So you're going to tell me that the point of ending the pipline in the Gulf of Mexico has nothing to do with selling the oil to foreign countries.......right. Keep drinking the cool aid.


Keystone addresses a major bottleneck situation when it comes to delivering Canadian produced crude and bitumen to the American markets. It's also not a coincidence that there is a major concentration of refineries in the gulf coast region. What American refineries do with it after buying it is irrelevant to the point I was making; in that it has nothing to do with us directly exporting through US ports which is what your post was implying. We can do that on our own soil just fine.
 
2012-05-16 03:21:34 PM  
While the GOP is blaming Obama for requiring a pipeline from Canada to get a permit, there's been enough pipelines built in the US in the past 3 years to circle the damn earth:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/23/barack - obama/obama-says-new-miles-pipeline-could-stretch-around/
 
2012-05-16 03:21:51 PM  
You know how you can tell you're about to get the weakest argument ever? When someone feels the need to tell you the conclusion before beginning to present the argument.

Obama's failed energy policy at work.

If you felt the need to tell us the conclusion that the energy policy is failed, then you must not be very sure about the argument that leads to that conclusion, right subby? The cool people would have called it "Obama's energy policy at work" and let the argument speak for itself.
 
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