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2012-05-16 10:46:54 AM  
'Bout time, jerks. I've been holding off on buying since January.
 
2012-05-16 10:48:46 AM  
MacBook Pro, you say?

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-05-16 10:50:44 AM  

elvisaintdead: MacBook Pro, you say?

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


I'd take a Pro in an Air form factor or slightly larger, with no optical drive, additional Thunderbolt ports, and a real graphics card.
 
2012-05-16 12:31:57 PM  
What's a tortoise?
 
2012-05-16 12:37:52 PM  
Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?
 
2012-05-16 12:44:10 PM  

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?


Because they want to further obscure their product so you can't easily compare their insanely expensive hardware to other more reasonably priced (yet exactly the same performance) hardware.
 
2012-05-16 12:52:00 PM  
Is this MacBook testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian?
 
2012-05-16 12:53:39 PM  

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?


It's a stupid marketing term that doesn't mean anything except that it has a high resolution and pixel density.
 
2012-05-16 12:55:05 PM  

Grither: fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?

Because they want to further obscure their product so you can't easily compare their insanely expensive hardware to other more reasonably priced (yet exactly the same performance) hardware.


Apple isn't trying to obscure anything. iPad Comparison from Apple

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?


Because your retina can't distinguish between the individual pixels at the typical screen distance.
 
2012-05-16 12:55:24 PM  

fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?

Why is it called that?


Because at a normal reading distance from the screen, the pixels are smaller than what your retina can physically detect.

Grither: Because they want to further obscure their product so you can't easily compare their insanely expensive hardware to other more reasonably priced (yet exactly the same performance) hardware.


The Retina display on the new iPad features a 2048-by-1536 resolution, 44 percent greater color saturation, and an astounding 3.1 million pixels - in the same 9.7-inch space. That's four times the number of pixels in iPad 2 and a million more than an HDTV. Those pixels are so close together, your eyes can't discern individual ones at a normal viewing distance.

cdn.digitaltrends.com

You're right... So obscured.
 
2012-05-16 12:56:05 PM  

Doc Daneeka: fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?

It's a stupid marketing term that doesn't mean anything except that it has a high resolution and pixel density.


So it isn't stupid and it actually means something?
 
2012-05-16 12:59:25 PM  
silly coonts at apple.
 
2012-05-16 01:07:30 PM  
So if a retina display is ~300 pixels per inch, wouldn't that mean the mac book pro should be pushing out WQUXGA resolutions? at 3840x2400 that would be pretty awesome, but really hard on whatever they end up using for a GPU.
 
2012-05-16 01:11:38 PM  
Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... your MacBook.
 
2012-05-16 01:19:25 PM  

unlikely: Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... your MacBook.


pics.livejournal.com

Let me tell you about my MacBook
 
2012-05-16 01:19:41 PM  
oh and youTube videos are going to look amazing when scaled up to that size!

Same with DVDs and the majority of videos!

Again: Native things look great in Apple's new "ditch the old way" methods. iPad 3 designed apps with the new 2D graphics in higher resolution look great.

The problem is, it requires app developers to update everything graphics-wise and the major names will do that.. but it takes time for everyone to enhance every single icon and graphic and still make sure to include the old versions for downsampling.

And seriously, play some movies on an iPad 3. Unless you rerip everything, your common rip is a blocky mess due to having to become triple the resolution (if not 4x/5x).

/yes, have done the above on iPad 1,2 and 3s
//silly kvnts
 
2012-05-16 01:19:42 PM  
Must be expensive.
 
M-G
2012-05-16 01:24:48 PM  
Ditching Ethernet on the Pro? WTF?
 
2012-05-16 01:25:05 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Apple isn't trying to obscure anything.


Theaetetus: You're right... So obscured.


Wow, that was easy.
 
2012-05-16 01:27:10 PM  

August11: Must be expensive.


This. The things already cost a fortune. I'm wondering how the hell much it's going to cost for a display that's ~ 3000 pixels across.

/Loves me my MBP
 
2012-05-16 01:29:07 PM  
I was planning to buy a 17" MBP for the 1920x1200 display -- as a developer, you can never have enough screen real estate -- but I wasn't sure how happy I was about the increased footprint.

Having worked with an iPad retina display, though, I'd be MUCH happier with a 15" Retina display than a 17" sorta-highish-res display. The retina display is so much easier on the eyes that there's no comparison, and it's comfortable to use text so small that it would be hard to read on a conventional display. I'd get better effective screen size (how much info I can see at once) on the 15" retina than a 17" 1920x1200 display.

So, now I'm in a holding pattern to see what the new 15" models are like. I'm irked about losing Ethernet, but it's been a year or more since I've needed to use it on my current machine, and even longer since I've used the optical drive.

Looking forward to 16GB of RAM, too.
 
2012-05-16 01:29:08 PM  

Smiths: oh and youTube videos are going to look amazing when scaled up to that size!

Same with DVDs and the majority of videos!

Again: Native things look great in Apple's new "ditch the old way" methods. iPad 3 designed apps with the new 2D graphics in higher resolution look great.

The problem is, it requires app developers to update everything graphics-wise and the major names will do that.. but it takes time for everyone to enhance every single icon and graphic and still make sure to include the old versions for downsampling.

And seriously, play some movies on an iPad 3. Unless you rerip everything, your common rip is a blocky mess due to having to become triple the resolution (if not 4x/5x).

/yes, have done the above on iPad 1,2 and 3s
//silly kvnts


Yes, nobody should improve the technology until everyone else is caught up.

What?
 
2012-05-16 01:33:42 PM  

Kiss my ass and pass the potato salad!: August11: Must be expensive.

This. The things already cost a fortune. I'm wondering how the hell much it's going to cost for a display that's ~ 3000 pixels across.

/Loves me my MBP


How much did the iPad price go up when they added the retina display? $0. (Okay, they cut the old ones by $100, so you could call that a $100 increase, I guess.)

If they offer both standard and retina displays, I'm guessing a $200 or $300 price bump, which I'd gladly pay. If they go all-retina, I'm betting they'll stick to the current price points.
 
2012-05-16 01:34:46 PM  

jfarkinB: I was planning to buy a 17" MBP for the 1920x1200 display -- as a developer, you can never have enough screen real estate -- but I wasn't sure how happy I was about the increased footprint.

Having worked with an iPad retina display, though, I'd be MUCH happier with a 15" Retina display than a 17" sorta-highish-res display. The retina display is so much easier on the eyes that there's no comparison, and it's comfortable to use text so small that it would be hard to read on a conventional display. I'd get better effective screen size (how much info I can see at once) on the 15" retina than a 17" 1920x1200 display.

So, now I'm in a holding pattern to see what the new 15" models are like. I'm irked about losing Ethernet, but it's been a year or more since I've needed to use it on my current machine, and even longer since I've used the optical drive.

Looking forward to 16GB of RAM, too.


If the new MBP are like the MBA the RAM will be soldered to the motherboard and not user replaceable.
 
2012-05-16 01:36:18 PM  

Doc Daneeka: fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?

It's a stupid marketing term that doesn't mean anything except that it has a high resolution and pixel density.


It's a good marketing term for the vast majority of non-nerds out there who tune you out in about 3 seconds when you start going on about resolution and DPI.
 
2012-05-16 01:40:16 PM  

Carth: If the new MBP are like the MBA the RAM will be soldered to the motherboard and not user replaceable.


Well, that would be an instant showstopper.

Right now, MBPs come with 4 gigs standard. Getting 8 gigs from Apple is an extra $200, and they won't sell a configuration with more RAM than that.

For that $200, I can order a third-party 16GB upgrade, install it myself, and go out for a nice dinner with the $50 left over.

If I can't do the equivalent on the new machines, they're pretty much dead to me, despite the displays. But I'm pretty confident that won't happen.
 
2012-05-16 01:45:40 PM  

jfarkinB: Carth: If the new MBP are like the MBA the RAM will be soldered to the motherboard and not user replaceable.

Well, that would be an instant showstopper.

Right now, MBPs come with 4 gigs standard. Getting 8 gigs from Apple is an extra $200, and they won't sell a configuration with more RAM than that.

For that $200, I can order a third-party 16GB upgrade, install it myself, and go out for a nice dinner with the $50 left over.

If I can't do the equivalent on the new machines, they're pretty much dead to me, despite the displays. But I'm pretty confident that won't happen.


Exactly why they might go to soldered RAM like the macbook airs it is a huge money maker. I was surprised when I realized you couldn't upgrade the RAM on the airs like I did on the MBP
 
2012-05-16 01:55:01 PM  

Carth: Exactly why they might go to soldered RAM like the macbook airs it is a huge money maker. I was surprised when I realized you couldn't upgrade the RAM on the airs like I did on the MBP


I turned my wife's macbook into a virtually new machine by cloning her measly 80gb HD drive and installing a 350gb 7200rpm drive and I doubled the ram at the same time. Did it myself for less than 1/4 of what it would have been had I had a 'genius' do it. I called for pricing and I had him repeat it because I was sure there had to be a mistake. I shudder to think that people pay that. I knew it would be pricey but it felt beyond usurious to me.
 
2012-05-16 02:00:51 PM  
Apple still makes computers?
 
2012-05-16 02:01:34 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: unlikely: Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... your MacBook.

[pics.livejournal.com image 350x361]

Let me tell you about my MacBook


In answer to your query, they're written down for me. All Apple threads are a test, designed to provoke an emotional response.
 
2012-05-16 02:17:16 PM  
Nice to see Apple making the jump from consumer electronics to computers.
 
2012-05-16 02:21:36 PM  

pSPAZz: So if a retina display is ~300 pixels per inch, wouldn't that mean the mac book pro should be pushing out WQUXGA resolutions?


"Retina" does not describe a certain PPI. It's a looser, marketing term. "Retina" means that the angular size of a pixel is so small that, when viewed from a natural viewing distance, individual pixels cannot be detected by the average human eye. That's why the iPad has fewer PPI than the iPhone, but is still "Retina". I imagine that a laptop, usually used at a slightly further distance than an iPad, could have a "Retina" display but not have a completely ridiculous PPI.

That said, I'm actually dubious that Apple is going to release a "retina" laptop screen. Not only would it still be an incredibly large PPI, the OS still hasn't hit true resolution independence.
 
2012-05-16 02:29:39 PM  
I'm just sad about the removal of the Ethernet port...
 
2012-05-16 02:30:31 PM  
Screw all that. Where's my new Mac Pro? Or even a decently capable iMac refresh?
 
2012-05-16 02:34:08 PM  

Myria: I'm just sad about the removal of the Ethernet port...


That one feels a bit mysterious to me. It's small, cheap, and very useful to have - especially in a corporate work environment. You can work around it - but for the premium you pay who wants workarounds?
 
2012-05-16 02:34:34 PM  

luidprand: Screw all that. Where's my new Mac Pro? Or even a decently capable iMac refresh?


I fear that the Mac Pro is doomed.

Which is a shame, as I used to have one. Well, a PowerMac G5 tower, anyway.
 
2012-05-16 02:36:14 PM  

JohnBigBootay: but for the premium you pay who wants workarounds?


Screw that, man. Who needs ethernet anyway? Just use firewire! It's totally ubiquitous and if someone doesn't have firewire or wifi, then you shouldn't be working with those dinosaurs anyway!
 
2012-05-16 02:40:09 PM  

Grither: Screw that, man. Who needs ethernet anyway? Just use firewire! It's totally ubiquitous and if someone doesn't have firewire or wifi, then you shouldn't be working with those dinosaurs anyway!


Heh. Never mind. I'll just use the thunderfark port right there at my desk.
 
2012-05-16 02:44:19 PM  

luidprand: Screw all that. Where's my new Mac Pro?


Probably dead, is the rumor. That said, with Thunderbolt, do you really need a big main enclosure? You could probably achieve the same thing with a Mini and an external PCIe chassis. Sonnet has one, and there's the AGP chassis coming out soon, too.

Or even a decently capable iMac refresh?

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they did one at WWDC, too.
 
2012-05-16 02:47:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Carth: Exactly why they might go to soldered RAM like the macbook airs it is a huge money maker. I was surprised when I realized you couldn't upgrade the RAM on the airs like I did on the MBP

I turned my wife's macbook into a virtually new machine by cloning her measly 80gb HD drive and installing a 350gb 7200rpm drive and I doubled the ram at the same time.


To really make it scream, put in an SSD in place of the spindle hard drive.

SSD is won't go back tech for me -- I'll never buy another computer without an SSD as the primary drive. I'll keep the multiterabyte spindle drives for storage, but for regular computer operation, it's SSD all the way.
 
2012-05-16 02:49:03 PM  

JohnBigBootay: It's small


It's the single thickest component on the laptop. By removing that and the optical drive, you can noticeably shrink the size of the laptop. Personally, I'm fine with it- I haven't used my ethernet port in years. The last time I used it was when I was feeling impatient while moving some big files around.

On the balance, I'd rather have a thinner, more portable laptop than an ethernet port.
 
2012-05-16 02:51:13 PM  

flaminio: To really make it scream, put in an SSD in place of the spindle hard drive.

SSD is won't go back tech for me -- I'll never buy another computer without an SSD as the primary drive. I'll keep the multiterabyte spindle drives for storage, but for regular computer operation, it's SSD all the way.


Yeah, I have been running an ssd in my dell whatever thefark laptop for almost three years now. Love it. Not sure how I got it so cheap when they were new but those farkers are damn pricey still.
 
2012-05-16 02:52:53 PM  

t3knomanser: It's the single thickest component on the laptop. By removing that and the optical drive, you can noticeably shrink the size of the laptop. Personally, I'm fine with it- I haven't used my ethernet port in years. The last time I used it was when I was feeling impatient while moving some big files around.

On the balance, I'd rather have a thinner, more portable laptop than an ethernet port.



I'm fine with it at home. But it bums me out at work.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:20 PM  

flaminio: To really make it scream, put in an SSD in place of the spindle hard drive.

SSD is won't go back tech for me -- I'll never buy another computer without an SSD as the primary drive. I'll keep the multiterabyte spindle drives for storage, but for regular computer operation, it's SSD all the way.


This. My current MBP is SSD, and I'll never go back. It's crazy fast. I'm running windows 7 through Parallels (for .Net development), and it's the fastest windows machine I've ever used. That's pretty amazing for a VM.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:26 PM  

Myria: I'm just sad about the removal of the Ethernet port...


Cue the 'its a dying technology, I haven't used it in years, herp, derp.' posts....
 
2012-05-16 03:00:34 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm fine with it at home. But it bums me out at work.


I can understand that. I'm annoyed that my office won't let me tell my office computer to always join the wireless network. I've lately been spending a lot of time away from my desk, and every time my computer goes to sleep, it disconnects the wireless network.

NutznGum: 'its a dying technology, I haven't used it in years, herp, derp.'


It's not exactly unusual for Apple to drop a feature that they don't consider important, even though a significant number of people at large disagree. The Air is one of their more popular laptops, and it doesn't include an optical drive. That's not because optical discs are "a dying technology", only that there are significant use cases that don't require them.
 
2012-05-16 03:13:04 PM  
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"wake up! time to buy!"
 
2012-05-16 03:29:50 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Doc Daneeka: fickenchucker: Am I the only one who thought my son was talking about a security device when he said the ipad3 he just bought had retina display?


Why is it called that?

It's a stupid marketing term that doesn't mean anything except that it has a high resolution and pixel density.

So it isn't stupid and it actually means something?


It's quite stupid, but it does mean something. Something that there are already other, less stupid, words for.
 
2012-05-16 03:35:31 PM  
They didn't even mention the floppy drive.
 
2012-05-16 03:41:12 PM  
Any reliable rumors on when the new MBP will be available? Some searching pointed to an announcement at the WWDC, but wasn't sure what to actually believe.
 
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