How is it bipartisan support if there are enough knuckle dragging republican's to block him?

B..B..But the judicial branch isn't political.

Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

No religious test to hold office?

Diogenes: I wish we could have a Gay Rapture so some of you heteros will learn some appreciation for all we do for this country and this world.

Going Gaylt?

Well to be fair, if homosexuality is a choice, choosing it in the face of constant oppression, fear, hate, discrimination, and violence represents poor judgement.

Can't have a judge with poor judgement.

Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

i sometimes think about moving to Charlottesville. I've read its a bit blue down there surrounded by red. True?

Notorious has been a code word that some use for gay for a long time now.

CPennypacker: Well to be fair, if homosexuality is a choice, choosing it in the face of constant oppression, fear, hate, discrimination, and violence represents poor judgement.

Can't have a judge with poor judgement.

That's exactly why I chose to be straight!

Why would you intentionally choose to be ostracized, vilified, condemned, and denied the same rights and privileges as others? Such a strange decision!

/while it should be obvious, yes, I'm being sarcastic, and figured you were, also

God fearing republicans are just trying to protect themselves for having gay rulings passed against them.

"I sentence you to anal sex with Ron Jeremy"

Why do you libs hate the first amendment so much?

But Mr. Thorne-Begland, 45, ultimately failed to draw the votes after lobbying from both the Family Foundation, a powerful conservative group that opposed his candidacy, and conservative lawmakers, who argued that his past indicated that he would press an activist agenda from the bench.

Viriginia is for Losers.

Love the way the people trying to deny gay people the right to form families have the unmitigated audacity to call themselves Pro Family.

They are not that.

They are anti-family.
They are anti-choice.
They are anti-science.
They are anti-civil rights.
They are anti-compassion.
They are anti-Christians who call themselves Christians.

They are, in short, a moral abomination who need to be shamed into behaving like civilized adults.

The GOP will drop the mask completely by the fall and push the bigotry angle hard.

Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian



NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.

So a prosecutor who happens to be gay and is raising two kids is being lobbied against by the Family Foundation?

I find it hard sometimes to hide my contempt of neoconservatives.

Bleyo: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian



NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.

The amount of Derp in Virginia increases the further south you go. NOVA is like a completely different state.

quatchi: They are, in short, a moral abomination who need to be shamed into behaving like civilized adults.

Plonk

But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

Hah, that's gay.

/RAND PAUL

But conservatives, including Delegate Bob Marshall, a Republican from Prince William County, argued that those aspects of his biography meant that he would not be able to be impartial, and might even engage in activism, if he became a judge. Mr. Marshall, together with several fellow Republicans from his county, a number of them former military men, led the charge against Mr. Thorne-Begland on Tuesday morning.

"It's about a pattern of behavior that is just notorious for homosexual advocacy," Mr. Marshall said. He added that Mr. Thorne-Begland had misrepresented himself on his application for military service, joining the Navy despite the ban on homosexuals in service. "The fact that he defied his oath and could not have been candid on the application - that's highly problematic, and it stays with you," Mr. Marshall said.


The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

Bleyo:

NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.


North and South Virginia might as well be entirely separate states at this point. A good example of this is the fact that not only is southern VA mostly red, a vast majority of the south were/are Santorum supporters.

nickelni: But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

Only in airport bathrooms.

Servocrowatian: Bleyo:

NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.


North and South Virginia might as well be entirely separate states at this point. A good example of this is the fact that not only is southern VA mostly red, a vast majority of the south were/are Santorum supporters.

Don't worry! They are all Romney supporters now as the good Lord FOX News informed them about how his Mormon Holiness will bring Christian Values back to America!

But conservatives, including Delegate Bob Marshall, a Republican from Prince William County, argued that those aspects of his biography meant that he would not be able to be impartial, and might even engage in activism, if he became a judge.


Ah yes, the old "activist" routine...I always love how these guys claim that someone deemed "liberal" will suddenly head off into "activist" mode the minute they join take the bench, but if that same person held conservative beliefs....well, they're just doing their job:

"So, because he's gay, he's suddenly going to be an activist and push an agenda?"

"Yes, ZOMG!!1 He's got an agenda and will ram it down everyone's throats!"

"But if he was a Republican, church-going, and not gay, and he began pushing to instate mandatory school prayer, teach creationism, and push for a hetero definition of marriage....you wouldn't call that "activism" ?

"Of course not. He would just be doing honest, God-fearing work as an AMERICAN and fellow patriot."

/basic summary of a conversation with a co-worker
//jackass

nickelni: But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

You were... disinformed.

eagles95: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

i sometimes think about moving to Charlottesville. I've read its a bit blue down there surrounded by red. True?

It's not bad because it's a college town, but it's still deeply redneck as soon as you leave the oasis that is the campus area. Then you're looking at an intellectual desert that extends into the heat hazy rippling of confederate flags for miles and miles.

I lived in NoVA for about ten years (it's like living on the set of Poltergeist) and live in Norfolk now. Norfolk is pretty mainstream as far as politics go, but you're still in the south and the rednecks are here. BTW, Richmond is a good city with a great music and art scene.

SN1987a goes boom: But conservatives, including Delegate Bob Marshall, a Republican from Prince William County, argued that those aspects of his biography meant that he would not be able to be impartial, and might even engage in activism, if he became a judge. Mr. Marshall, together with several fellow Republicans from his county, a number of them former military men, led the charge against Mr. Thorne-Begland on Tuesday morning.

"It's about a pattern of behavior that is just notorious for homosexual advocacy," Mr. Marshall said. He added that Mr. Thorne-Begland had misrepresented himself on his application for military service, joining the Navy despite the ban on homosexuals in service. "The fact that he defied his oath and could not have been candid on the application - that's highly problematic, and it stays with you," Mr. Marshall said.


The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

You are just discovering this now?

SN1987a goes boom: "It's about a pattern of behavior that is just notorious for homosexual advocacy," Mr. Marshall said. He added that Mr. Thorne-Begland had misrepresented himself on his application for military service, joining the Navy despite the ban on homosexuals in service. "The fact that he defied his oath and could not have been candid on the application - that's highly problematic, and it stays with you," Mr. Marshall said.


The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

^^ This.

Of course, if he didn't serve at all, I'm sure this clown would be the first to jump up and down and claim that the guy "wasn't patriotic" and "never even served his country!"...

SN1987a goes boom: But conservatives, including Delegate Bob Marshall, a Republican from Prince William County, argued that those aspects of his biography meant that he would not be able to be impartial, and might even engage in activism, if he became a judge. Mr. Marshall, together with several fellow Republicans from his county, a number of them former military men, led the charge against Mr. Thorne-Begland on Tuesday morning.

"It's about a pattern of behavior that is just notorious for homosexual advocacy," Mr. Marshall said. He added that Mr. Thorne-Begland had misrepresented himself on his application for military service, joining the Navy despite the ban on homosexuals in service. "The fact that he defied his oath and could not have been candid on the application - that's highly problematic, and it stays with you," Mr. Marshall said.


The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

The GOP rarely concerns themselves with what oaths actually mean, unless it's Grover Norquist's tax pledge.

Unsurprising. Virginia has a Governor who eliminated equal protection against discrimination for gays in 2010, and an Attorney General who issued a statement that sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression cannot be considered protected classes. The history of that

Virginia's Republicans have a history of championing freedom to discriminate against LGBTQ people. What a cause. And now they're living out that beautiful freedom to fark over people's lives for no reason other than they happen to be gay. We have some real heroes here.

Funny, he doesn't look gay.

Did I wake up in an alternate universe? Just yesterday I was told on a fark link that Republicans were quietly changing their backwards stance on this social issue?

cashdaddy: SN1987a goes boom: "It's about a pattern of behavior that is just notorious for homosexual advocacy," Mr. Marshall said. He added that Mr. Thorne-Begland had misrepresented himself on his application for military service, joining the Navy despite the ban on homosexuals in service. "The fact that he defied his oath and could not have been candid on the application - that's highly problematic, and it stays with you," Mr. Marshall said.


The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

^^ This.

Of course, if he didn't serve at all, I'm sure this clown would be the first to jump up and down and claim that the guy "wasn't patriotic" and "never even served his country!"...

All the while being a Chickenhawk himself.

quatchi: But Mr. Thorne-Begland, 45, ultimately failed to draw the votes after lobbying from both the Family Foundation, a powerful conservative group that opposed his candidacy, and conservative lawmakers, who argued that his past indicated that he would press an activist agenda from the bench.

Viriginia is for Losers.

Love the way the people trying to deny gay people the right to form families have the unmitigated audacity to call themselves Pro Family.

They are not that.

They are anti-family.
They are anti-choice.
They are anti-science.
They are anti-civil rights.
They are anti-compassion.
They are anti-Christians who call themselves Christians.

They are, in short, a moral abomination who need to be shamed into behaving like civilized adults.

They are not fiscal conservatives either, they are NeoCons.

NeverDrunk23: nickelni: But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

Only in airport bathrooms.

I snorted.

Gay people should know that the only way that Republicans will ever be okay with them is if they are willing to voluntarily consign themselves to life as a second-class citizen by giving up their civil rights.

SN1987a goes boom: The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

My response would be:

"I had to chose between lying on a form or serving my country. I chose my country. If you would like, I can apologize to the form, just in case I hurt it's feelings."

Angry Buddha: eagles95: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

i sometimes think about moving to Charlottesville. I've read its a bit blue down there surrounded by red. True?

It's not bad because it's a college town, but it's still deeply redneck as soon as you leave the oasis that is the campus area. Then you're looking at an intellectual desert that extends into the heat hazy rippling of confederate flags for miles and miles.

I'm a NoVAn here too, grew up just outside of DC my entire life and still live here, and went to VCU down in Richmond. Once you leave that excellent oasis of a liberal paradise known as the Fan District it is a red town. I even interned at the Richmond Times-Dispatch and despite the number of liberals working there that paper took on a conservative slant because of the readership. We actually received hate mail because in the style section we ran an article about an upcoming "Diversity Community Family Day" sponsored by a local non-profit called Diversity Thrift. 1) If you live within the city then you know Diversity Thrift is an organization run by the LGBT community, what with their loud rainbow painted building visible from 95. 2) because of the paper's policy about discussion "homosexual topics" nowhere in the article did it describe the mission statement of that organization or who ran it. So, fast forward to Monday morning where we were slapped upside the head with hate mail because of the number of families who showed up to a "family day" picnic that was being MCed by drag queens with food catered by a local Lesbian bar.

/lived in the Fan right across the Unitarian church on Park
//those queens going to church every week would put even the most flamboyant black woman in her Sunday Best to shame

intelligent comment below: Did I wake up in an alternate universe? Just yesterday I was told on a fark link that Republicans were quietly changing their backwards stance on this social issue?

I live in a state where people voted to ban same sex marriage even though it was already illegal here. Also, remember, this is the same state that was dragged to the Supreme Court over antimasginy laws.

Serious Black: Gay people should know that the only way that Republicans will ever be okay with them is if they are willing to voluntarily consign themselves to life as a second-class citizen by giving up their civil rights.

Worked for women in the GOP. See fair pay act...

CPennypacker: Well to be fair, if homosexuality is a choice, choosing it in the face of constant oppression, fear, hate, discrimination, and violence represents poor judgement.

Can't have a judge with poor judgement.

And he really lusts after women the same way us heteros do. But he has CHOSEN to co-habitate with a man for 7 years and consensually does all that homo stuff that any straight man wouldn't do without a gun to their head. He chooses to do that because....uhm....uhm...he has an agenda.

Serious Black: Gay people should know that the only way that Republicans will ever be okay with them is if they are willing to voluntarily consign themselves to life as a second-class citizen by giving up their civil rights.

Yep, if you are gay and voting Republican then you are voting to discriminate against yourself.

TFA made me despair for humanity, and the comments to TFA made me despair even more. In particular, the guy who bothered to sign up and post to point out that lots of lawmakers didn't take part in the vote--what's wrong with them? Um, dude, if you read TFA you would know that the bigoted sleazebags who blackballed the gay prosecutor did so at 1 a.m. As in, they waited for people to go home before they effected their cowardly and bigoted plan.

Diogenes: I wish we could have a Gay Rapture so some of you heteros will learn some appreciation for all we do for this country and this world.

I'd rather the Christians get taken in the rapture. Everyone gets what they want. The Christians meet their maker, and the rest of us can live in a world free of Christian bigotry.

And think of all the awesome bonfires we can have once they're gone.

Mr. Thorne-Begland disclosed his sexual orientation as a naval officer nearly 20 years ago during an appearance on ABC's "Nightline," in a challenge to the military's ban on service by homosexuals. He was discharged honorably from the Navy after the disclosure, reinstated by a federal court, and then discharged again under the subsequent "don't ask, don't tell" policy. He also served on the board of Equality Virginia, a gay rights nonprofit group.

He sounds a lot like an activist to me.

Wellon Dowd: Hey Bob, I wanna bugger your sister.


Bob's Buggers?

_{Roll over, Bob's sister.
I'll be farked if I do.
You'll be cornholed if you don't.}

Cats_Lie: Mr. Thorne-Begland disclosed his sexual orientation as a naval officer nearly 20 years ago during an appearance on ABC's "Nightline," in a challenge to the military's ban on service by homosexuals. He was discharged honorably from the Navy after the disclosure, reinstated by a federal court, and then discharged again under the subsequent "don't ask, don't tell" policy. He also served on the board of Equality Virginia, a gay rights nonprofit group.

He sounds a lot like an activist to me.

Much like anyone that goes to church is a Christian "activist" and can't be trusted to judge impartially on first amendment religious issues. So no Christians on the bench!

Diogenes: I wish we could have a Gay Rapture so some of you heteros will learn some appreciation for all we do for this country and this world.

It's apparently cop week in DC when I was visiting a few days ago. The way they acted as tourists made me wish it was gay pride week or..well...any other week.

keylock71: But Mr. Thorne-Begland, 45, ultimately failed to draw the votes after lobbying from both the Family Foundation, a powerful conservative group that opposed his candidacy, and conservative lawmakers, who argued that his past indicated that he would press an activist agenda from the bench.

The dumbest part of this is that Thorne was nominated to the General District Court - i.e. the lowest level of court in Virginia. It's basically small claims, misdemeanors, traffic tickets, and landlord/tenant stuff. How the hell was he going to push a gay agenda from there?

danfrank: Cats_Lie: Mr. Thorne-Begland disclosed his sexual orientation as a naval officer nearly 20 years ago during an appearance on ABC's "Nightline," in a challenge to the military's ban on service by homosexuals. He was discharged honorably from the Navy after the disclosure, reinstated by a federal court, and then discharged again under the subsequent "don't ask, don't tell" policy. He also served on the board of Equality Virginia, a gay rights nonprofit group.

He sounds a lot like an activist to me.

Much like anyone that goes to church is a Christian "activist" and can't be trusted to judge impartially on first amendment religious issues. So no Christians on the bench!

THIS. What people like Cats_Lie are actually saying is "he doesn't sound like one of our activists".

PanicMan: SN1987a goes boom: The fact that he had to deny who he was in an oath to serve his country doesn't seem to bother the GOP much, does it?

My response would be:

"I had to chose between lying on a form or serving my country. I chose my country. If you would like, I can apologize to the form, just in case I hurt it's feelings."

Actually, his response should be something more like:

"I had to chose between lying on a form or serving my country. I chose my country. How about you, Bob? Did you serve your country, or just decide to take a paycheck from the state taxpayers and other special interests and claim you were doing your 'civic duty'?"

The Notorious F.A.G.?

I understand he had a beef with TuCock towards the end.

Bleyo: NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.

Mrs. Nuisance's kinfolk are from Richmond.

Her cool cousin and his lovely wife moved from Richmond to Pittsburgh a few years back, and had this to say to us about why they did it:

"Richmond isn't just a hundred miles south of DC, it's a hundred years south of DC".

nickelni: But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

Several of us pointed out that that position (giggity) is complete bullshiat. Barely tolerating a few token homosexuals while continuing to work diligently to prevent them from having equal rights is not embracing them.

Gays voting for the GOP is like college kids on a spring break trip to a secluded cabin in the woods voting for homicidal deranged lumberjacks.

Emposter: nickelni: But, I was told that "the Republican Party embraces gays".

Several of us pointed out that that position (giggity) is complete bullshiat. Barely tolerating a few token homosexuals while continuing to work diligently to prevent them from having equal rights is not embracing them.

Gays voting for the GOP is like college kids on a spring break trip to a secluded cabin in the woods voting for homicidal deranged lumberjacks.

heehee

intelligent comment below: Did I wake up in an alternate universe? Just yesterday I was told on a fark link that Republicans were quietly changing their backwards stance on this social issue?


In this country - person by person - the biggest statistical correlations with anti-gay bigotry are older age, christian beliefs and lower education. I'm going to take a flying guess that the Republican party of today - my goddamn Republican party that I used to love - correlate high with voters who look like that. Older, less educated and more religious.

Those of us who may be Republicans who don't fit that mold tend not to be so shamefully bigoted like that. Case in point, I'm younger(ish), atheist, and college educated and I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not and am outraged that my party insists on associating ourselves with this kind of blatant, ignorant farking bigotry. It's like these people who claim to respect Jesus SO MUCH are such idiots that they have never actually studied his teachings aside from falling asleep in a pew once a week. That... and the politicians who cloak themselves in the mantle of religion couldn't usually give a shiat about the teachings of Jesus and are just using it in a cynical, self-serving effort to garner wealth and power - and in the process encouraging hurtful, anti-Christ extremism.

But yeah, it's not like I can argue with it... In the final analysis the Republican party as a whole stands for bigotry and religious persecution today, and against freedom and traditional American values. Period. They may still have my membership (because there isn't a sane, viable alternative yet) but I'll be damned if they'll get my votes until we've shaped up.

eagles95: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

i sometimes think about moving to Charlottesville. I've read its a bit blue down there surrounded by red. True?

If you can stand the insufferable yuppie college douchbags EVERYWHERE.

Seriously, Charlottesville takes it to a whole other level with the douchbags per capita ratio.

Bleyo: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian



NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.

Not all of us Richmonders are crazy (and I'm moving out of here to NOVA or C'Ville come August), and you do know that AG Cooch is a NoVA product, right? The most insane man in VA politics.

reklamfox: Seriously, Charlottesville takes it to a whole other level with the douchbags per capita ratio.

Agreed. I dated a girl that went to UVA and found the students there to be insufferable douches. They were awfully proud of themselves that they went to "The University". Uggh, the worst!!

reklamfox: Seriously, Charlottesville takes it to a whole other level with the douchbags per capita ratio.

What's worse is that sweet little out of the way campuses have been trying to emulate UVA, and not in the prestigious academic way. During the development boom, when my little sister went to CNU, the new president rolled in and said how he wanted the campus to be a minimum 30% Greek and then started demolishing buildings to put in various Jefferson style buildings with little to no thought of relations. Sis told me the whole reason why she and some of her classmates chose CNU was because of the low instances of douchebaggery and not being a "typical Virginian" campus. That changed in a single semester. Even her academic fraternity, which had been more like a social club mixed with a Big Brother program, became and obnoxious group of party people in her senior year. To the point where the 3rd and 4th year members completely dropped the frat.

intelligent comment below: Did I wake up in an alternate universe? Just yesterday I was told on a fark link that Republicans were quietly changing their backwards stance on this social issue?



It's not a backwards stance. It's a wide stance.

hurdboy: Which is why Virginia Democrats have decided the only legitimate peddler of vice in the Commonwealth is the Commonwealth, itself. I mean, people might buy liquor from a private store that's open on Sunday. Can't have that.


If you think it's bad down there, come up here to Montgomery County and buy your booze sometime. I buy as much of mine in VA as I can, and luckily I am down in NoVA quite a bit. Blue laws are a holdover from an older era where religious types went nutzo with their power many decades ago, back during prohibition and up until the 60's and 70's. Those types now have largely gravitated into the Republican party though, since the devil's bargain the Republican party made with the religious right back in the Reagan years.


hurdboy: Marshall is an idiot. The same is true for pretty much every Democrat in the House of Delegates (including the one who represents me). It's cute the way people are trying to portray this as representative of all Virginia Republicans. Notsomuch. Marshall is an idiot t. Blame the people of Prince William County, not generic Republicans.


Maybe, maybe not... but you have to admit that nationally speaking the Republican party is the modern locus of this anti-gay bigotry. I mean, it wasn't so long ago we got back the house and senate running on anti-gay bigotry! And we trot it out ALL THE DAMN TIME now. The religious persecution my (our?) party engages in nationally is just despicable and anti-American.

Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

Ditto...

EighthDay: CPennypacker: Well to be fair, if homosexuality is a choice, choosing it in the face of constant oppression, fear, hate, discrimination, and violence represents poor judgement.

Can't have a judge with poor judgement.

That's exactly why I chose to be straight!

Why would you intentionally choose to be ostracized, vilified, condemned, and denied the same rights and privileges as others? Such a strange decision!

/while it should be obvious, yes, I'm being sarcastic, and figured you were, also

The light... he see's it now?

Also just because I found it online, my district in NoVA has this doofus.

I Said: Diogenes: I wish we could have a Gay Rapture so some of you heteros will learn some appreciation for all we do for this country and this world.

I prefer the Christian rapture so those f*cknuts would finally leave.

Well considering how often we hear the no true Scotsman defense when Christian bigotry is called out and how little those wing nuts seem to emulate the deity they supposedly worship I don't think that would solve the problem or perhaps the rapture has already happened 2 guys from China are gone but that's pretty much it. Remember their own story says that a whole lot of people who claim to speak in Jesus's name he will turn away saying I never knew you. I'm hoping the non asshat members continue to be more vocal and the media starts paying attention to the non asshats. I've heard interviews by more than one Christian who I could respect and most of the ones who are respectable by my standards experienced a significant drop in prestige in the evangelical world when they started preaching love and tolerance instead of exclusivity and hate. There's a letter from Satan in some fark thread I read today thanking some anti ghey nutcase for his good work. That's spot on in my opinion Jesus I like Republican Jaysuz is a dick of epic proportions.

MrCheeks: Also just because I found it online, my district in NoVA has this doofus.

[www.candyland.net image 400x439]

I'm so grateful they added "Delgaudio is at left" to that or I'd have never known which was the mascot.

Magorn: Dear Bob Marshall,

God Knows I never liked you to begin with, but if you want to look back on the wreckage of your race for US Senate in a few months and try to figure out the moment that thousands upon thousands of us basically apathetic voters decided to rise up and do everything in our mortal power to see you get your ass KICKED this fall, look no further than the garbage that came out of your mouth today.

Remember the moment you disrespected a veteran and a incredibly well respected proscutor in a disgraceful midnight parliamentary manuver.. Remember the moment when you decided his sexuality was more important than his qualficiations. But most especially remember the moment you tried to justify your rank biogtry by impugning his honor.

Enjoy being a deservedly obscure footnote in the story of Virginia who, if he is remembered at all, is primarily rembered for embracing the wrong side of history in a spectacularly foul way.

.
Slow. Clap.

LucklessWonder: Bleyo: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian



NOVA here, as well. Hard to believe stuff like this happens in Richmond based on how normal everybody acts up here.

Not all of us Richmonders are crazy (and I'm moving out of here to NOVA or C'Ville come August), and you do know that AG Cooch is a NoVA product, right? The most insane man in VA politics.

Oh yeah. I meant Richmond as the place where the state government operates, not the actual city. My girlfriend is finishing up at VCU and I actually enjoy visiting her there.

hurdboy: I don't think it's so much about party as it is about economic standing, and level of education. Gay bashing works just as well politically in the ghetto or barrio as it does in the sticks.



Statistically speaking, anti-gay bigotry tracks with older people, less educated people and more religious/evangelical people. Anti-gay folks also happen to track republican as well. And it's not the Democratic party which has been making a national issue out of denying gay people their rights, it's the republicans. We HAVE. The "defense of traditional marriage" is simply a barely veiled euphemism for denying gays the equal right to marry each other. It's not democrats which have been the ones trying to deny gay partners the right to visit their terminally ill partners in the hospital - it's republicans. Come to terms with it, because it's true no matter how much you and I may hate it.

It's not like we can fix the party if we can't even admit what's wrong with it. Not that I'm even sure it's fixable anymore.... but that's beside the point. It IS the republican party which is pushing anti-gay bigotry today at the behest of the evangelical voters the party has been nurturing, festering and relying on.

hurdboy: mongbiohazard: And it's not the Democratic party which has been making a national issue out of denying gay people their rights,

Nope. But their inaction, or ridiculous reaction (see: UFIA for Viagra as a response to the ultrasound-before-abortion bill), allows it to happen. And I get sick of this self-portrayal as progressive on social issues. Democrats aren't. Progressives in the Democratic Party don't have enough sway to get anything significant accomplished, except for economic things derpier than the Teabaggers.

//Not a white Evangelical, and live in Bobby Scott's CD (and I'm not black, either).....minority everywhere I go...


You keep pointing at the Democrats and basically saying, "but they're bad too". So what? You think that's going to impress me? I'm not a democrat.

That also doesn't excuse the Republican party for having actually run entire campaigns against gay rights for decades now. It's the equivalent of a child getting caught punching another kid by their teacher and when confronted saying, "But that other kid wouldn't step in and force me to stop!" So what? True or not it excuses exactly nothing, and is simply a transparent attempt at deflection.

Not only have I linked examples, but have also posted relevant statistics... 64% of republicans are opposed to gay marriage and only 23% of democrats. The democrats have not had their national candidates actively running their campaigns against gay rights while republicans HAVE and still are. Stop trying to ignore that and shift the blame elsewhere.

abb3w: mongbiohazard: Not that I'm even sure it's fixable anymore

Perhaps you can find a zoo veterinarian to fix your elephant?


The deeper into madness we descend the more I think it's probably time to put it to sleep and find a new one.

hurdboy: The numbers and pictures are pretty, but they're also fluid, and prove you went and found something on a blug. Congratulations! You win one free Internet.


I'm sorry you find the facts inconvenient. I can easily find more corroboration for you if you'd like, but unless you have credible data to present which contradicts mine then your childish dismissal seems like just that - a childish dismissal.


hurdboy: I'm not placing the blame elsewhere. History is what it is. Santorum, Perry, and Gingrich shouldn't have gotten serious consideration by, well, anybody.


You have been indeed doing so this whole thread, and whether they should have or not they DID get serious consideration. It also doesn't help your point that Santorum was a Senator, Perry was a governor of one of the biggest states in the union and Gingrich the speaker of the house. These are not fringe figures we're talking about. Denying the obvious doesn't make it less obvious, it just makes you willfully oblivious.

And as for anti-gay/social issues not being part of the national platform you are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
2004: States should not recognize gay marriage from other states, Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage, Homosexuality is incompatible with military service

ykarie: eagles95: Servocrowatian: Sorry.


Sincerely,

A (Northern)Virginian

i sometimes think about moving to Charlottesville. I've read its a bit blue down there surrounded by red. True?

Charlottesville, Blacksburg, even Richmond are all pretty blue, compared to say Lexington or Covington. Most of Virginia turns blue for local and state elections, prior to the GOP pushing the "the president is a ni*bong*" routine. Or just move to Floyd, the Humbolt county of VA.

Hell, even Alleghany county voted for Obama last time around. Surprised this native.

Hello neighbor...Bath Countian here. The hubby is in CF at Cliftondale this evening.

/work in Lex.
//feel like I'm surrounded by Cletuses most days....

You gotta wonder what kind of a state is so backwards that freaking W. Virginia would cut itself off from it.

fn129: You gotta wonder what kind of a state is so backwards that freaking W. Virginia would cut itself off from it.


Yeah, it's weird how UnionWV has become the poster child state for Neo-Confederacy

I Said: Diogenes: I wish we could have a Gay Rapture so some of you heteros will learn some appreciation for all we do for this country and this world.

I prefer the Christian rapture so those f*cknuts would finally leave.

I seriously doubt the rapture would get rid of them.

danfrank: CPennypacker: Well to be fair, if homosexuality is a choice, choosing it in the face of constant oppression, fear, hate, discrimination, and violence represents poor judgement.

Can't have a judge with poor judgement.

And he really lusts after women the same way us heteros do. But he has CHOSEN to co-habitate with a man for 7 years and consensually does all that homo stuff that any straight man wouldn't do without a gun to their head. He chooses to do that because....uhm....uhm...he has an agenda.

No, no, you see, he's mentally ill. Even though we totally can't prove this ever happened and it defies logic, clearly he was molested by his father or a gay man and wants to keep re-creating it. The poor soul needs help.

/Gay people molest young children mostly because they don't have AIDS.

BMulligan: Funny, he doesn't look gay.

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An EBTG ref in my Politics tab?

It's more likely than you'd think.

/Idlewild FTW.