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(CNN)   Real Americans in Nebraska GOP take a hard right turn into Palin country. Democratic nominee and former Senator, Bob Kerrey, last seen dancing a jig and preparing his victory speech   (cnn.com) divider line 84
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2012-05-16 10:49:03 AM
You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?
 
2012-05-16 11:51:21 AM
I think Fischer's win puts Kerrey in a better position, when you consider the endorsements by Sarah Palin and Herman Cain. I think I saw Fischer up 10 points on Kerrey, which in 6 months is really not impossible to overcome.

It remains to be seen though if Kerrey can really run in this race though, I don't like the idea of a former senator running in this cycle, with people as tired of Washington insiders as they are. My guess i that this is going to be a loss for Dems.

Frankly I just see this country going further and further right. I don't know if it is redistricting, the distraction of social conservatism, the inability to understand the deficit or debt, or what. Maybe it's jobs? We haven't recovered jobs in large numbers this year because states and local governments ran out of money (because of the recession stemming from Bush era policies) and because the uncertainty of Europe (which also was the result of the credit crisis). No economist on earth agrees with the Republican policies for turning the debt around. It sure seems like our people are ADHD in general.

But candidates run on money and public sentiment is ruled by attack ads, not issues. And the GOP rules attack ads. And I think people are already exhausted by politics, 6 months before the elections. Robocalls, constant TV ads by SuperPACs, Supreme Court decisions, gay marriage issues, finding yet another billionaire spider weaving his web in the background. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm exhausted.
 
2012-05-16 12:12:47 PM

bdub77: I think Fischer's win puts Kerrey in a better position, when you consider the endorsements by Sarah Palin and Herman Cain. I think I saw Fischer up 10 points on Kerrey, which in 6 months is really not impossible to overcome.

It remains to be seen though if Kerrey can really run in this race though, I don't like the idea of a former senator running in this cycle, with people as tired of Washington insiders as they are. My guess i that this is going to be a loss for Dems.

Frankly I just see this country going further and further right. I don't know if it is redistricting, the distraction of social conservatism, the inability to understand the deficit or debt, or what. Maybe it's jobs? We haven't recovered jobs in large numbers this year because states and local governments ran out of money (because of the recession stemming from Bush era policies) and because the uncertainty of Europe (which also was the result of the credit crisis). No economist on earth agrees with the Republican policies for turning the debt around. It sure seems like our people are ADHD in general.

But candidates run on money and public sentiment is ruled by attack ads, not issues. And the GOP rules attack ads. And I think people are already exhausted by politics, 6 months before the elections. Robocalls, constant TV ads by SuperPACs, Supreme Court decisions, gay marriage issues, finding yet another billionaire spider weaving his web in the background. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm exhausted.


Wait until the day after election day. That's when all the money starts pouring in for the White House in 2016.
 
2012-05-16 12:14:14 PM

RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?


Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.
 
2012-05-16 12:21:45 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.


Republicans outnumber Democrats in Nebraska in terms of voter registration by about 169,000. Considering that the number of voting-eligible voters in Nebraska (as of 2010) was 1,309,521, I just don't see 13% of the the voting-eligible population crossing the aisle and voting for a Kerrey.
 
2012-05-16 12:23:50 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: .

Wait until the day after election day. That's when all the money starts pouring in for the White House in 2016.


Yeah the more I think about it the more I'm convinced that 2012 politics is now all about money, and people are merely just pawns being played for votes. If you consider how well-educated the average US citizen is, it just stands to reason.

But I think there is a balance looming. The old are dying off, the ones who traditionally have landline phones, don't use computers much, watch TV with ads (non-DVR saavy), are socially conservative - the ones who vote in the largest numbers.

On average, younger people have more access to information and knowledge, have mobile phones (mostly robocall free), have the most to lose in terms of their future and retirement, make the most use of social networks, don't watch nearly as many ads, are socially liberal - these people are going to become more active in politics. Over time I think the money is going to have less opportunity.

But make no mistake, we are up to our eyeballs in corporate interests this year - this is both sides of the aisle, if more heavily Republican.
 
2012-05-16 02:10:31 PM
TFA: Nebraska state Sen. Deb Fischer won the Republican nomination for an open U.S. Senate seat on Tuesday [...] The majority of tea party-aligned individuals and groups split between Fischer's two rivals.

Not so much "hard right turn", for the sound of it. Or am I missing something?
 
2012-05-16 02:11:04 PM
Republican with both the Palin and Cain vote? I don't think so, subby.
 
2012-05-16 02:12:51 PM
Maybe another Angle or O'Donnell. The best they can hope for is a Haley, who actually managed to win, but has been somewhat lacking in job performance.
 
2012-05-16 02:12:59 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.


Let me look that up on my liberal language interpreter. Ahhh..., here it is:

"The polls don't say what I want to hear, so they are wrong."

Got it.
 
2012-05-16 02:15:53 PM

RexTalionis: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.

Republicans outnumber Democrats in Nebraska in terms of voter registration by about 169,000. Considering that the number of voting-eligible voters in Nebraska (as of 2010) was 1,309,521, I just don't see 13% of the the voting-eligible population crossing the aisle and voting for a Kerrey.


It's certainly going to be a difficult campaign if Kerrey wants an actual shot, but Fischer winning makes the seat more up for grabs than if Bruning had won the nomination. A Bruning win would have all-but-guaranteed Nebraska to flip.

Now, it's more of "likely" to flip than a foregone conclusion.
 
2012-05-16 02:16:19 PM

BillCo: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.

Let me look that up on my liberal language interpreter. Ahhh..., here it is:

"The polls don't say what I want to hear, so they are wrong."

Got it.


You can read?
 
2012-05-16 02:18:42 PM
BillCo:

www.delish.com
You're not being very Cheesus-like.
 
2012-05-16 02:20:32 PM
Kerrey and Nelson both managed to win multiple elections in a rather red state. Dont count Kerrey out quite yet.

Fun fact: farm subsidies arent socialism. Because socialism.
 
2012-05-16 02:22:13 PM
Has Fischer done or said anything particularly derpy?
 
2012-05-16 02:23:24 PM
Din't we kick his pansy liberal ass out when he couldn't beat the Savior Bush in 2004? Go back to windsurfing, you lily-livered windsock sorry excuse for an honorable soldier. You know what happens if you don't fit with the opinions of your constituents?

You get stuck in unelected land. PRAISE SARAH!
 
2012-05-16 02:26:00 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Has Fischer done or said anything particularly derpy?


Didn't he say something about there being too many Jews in chess and that they don't dress nice?
 
2012-05-16 02:27:32 PM

Tyrano Soros: Republican with both the Palin and Cain vote? I don't think so, subby.


Heh, didn't the Palin backed Tea Party candidate for the Alaka senate seat get beat by the write in candidate Lisa Murkowski? Didn't Palin also back Christine "I am not a witch" O'Donnell?

/Heh
 
2012-05-16 02:28:05 PM
Dr Dreidel: Din't we kick his pansy liberal ass out when he couldn't beat the Savior Bush in 2004? Go back to windsurfing, you lily-livered windsock sorry excuse for an honorable soldier. You know what happens if you don't fit with the opinions of your constituents?

You get stuck in unelected land. PRAISE SARAH!



2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-16 02:34:34 PM

LittleSmitty: Tyrano Soros: Republican with both the Palin and Cain vote? I don't think so, subby.

Heh, didn't the Palin backed Tea Party candidate for the Alaka senate seat get beat by the write in candidate Lisa Murkowski? Didn't Palin also back Christine "I am not a witch" O'Donnell?

/Heh


At this point shouldn't the question be, who has Palin supported who has gone on to win the general election.

Anyone?
 
2012-05-16 02:35:00 PM

RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?


There isn't a very good chance that Kerrey is going to win - unless Fischer does something Christine O'Donnell-level stupid in the next 6 months.

Looking at all these Tea Party candidates, the lesson that can be drawn here is that what matters is the quality of the candidate. (Which is true of every candidate of any party).

If you pick an idiot who can't campaign, you'll lose a race that you should have won. See Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell and Sharron "Obtuse" Angle.

If you pick someone who can campaign and has some political skills, you'll win. See RAND PAUL, Nikki Haley.

Fischer hasn't impressed me from the very limited stuff I've heard from her (her acceptance speech was ATROCIOUS), but Nebraska is redder than a baboon's ass after sitting on an iceburg, so there's a good chance that she'll win.

/ Just for the love of God hire the woman a speech coach...
 
2012-05-16 02:45:52 PM
Wait, did I read that right? Romney is ahead with 72% in Oregon?
 
2012-05-16 02:49:07 PM

bdub77: Yeah the more I think about it the more I'm convinced that 2012 politics is now all about money


Ayep. Thank you Citizens United.

Not to mention that the decision was replete with conclusions of fact that are totally inappropriate in an appellate case.
 
2012-05-16 02:50:56 PM

WombatControl: Nebraska is redder than a baboon's ass after sitting on an iceburg


That's funny right there. I snerted.
 
2012-05-16 02:53:47 PM

spongeboob: LittleSmitty: Tyrano Soros: Republican with both the Palin and Cain vote? I don't think so, subby.

Heh, didn't the Palin backed Tea Party candidate for the Alaka senate seat get beat by the write in candidate Lisa Murkowski? Didn't Palin also back Christine "I am not a witch" O'Donnell?

/Heh

At this point shouldn't the question be, who has Palin supported who has gone on to win the general election.

Anyone?


The REAL question is, does St. Sarah support Mittens?
 
2012-05-16 02:58:17 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat?



Amy Fisher?
 
2012-05-16 03:03:31 PM
In states where republicans outnumber democrats, Poop Flinging Monkey (R) will get more votes than Jesus (D).

The same can be said for states where Democrats outnumber republicans, Hitler (D) would get more votes than Gun-hating Illegal Immigrant (R)
 
2012-05-16 03:09:03 PM
From what I've seen on Deb Fischer's website, she is nothing more than a bought and paid for shill for every agribusiness, anti-tax, pro-life lobby out there. SuperPAC money is the only reason anyone outside Valentine has even heard of her. So naturally she'll beat Bob Kerrey this fall because outside Omaha city limits, Nebraska's catching whatever Kansas got. The one thing it had going for it was in the past, there were a lot of mild mannered, afraid to offend, moderate Republicans around here. If Fischer is the harbinger of the future, it's going to get unpleasant here.
 
2012-05-16 03:09:08 PM
I enjoyed the pleasant surprise last night. Problem is that Fischer winning is either the saving grace for us moderates in NE, or a sign of the end of days.

I would hope my state's smart enough to not put some derpy teabagger chick in congress, but then again I've seen my state make much worse decisions in the past.
 
2012-05-16 03:11:02 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Wait, did I read that right? Romney is ahead with 72% in Oregon?


That's for the Republican primary, not the actual Presidential race between Romney and Obama. You knew that, right?
 
2012-05-16 03:12:23 PM

RexTalionis: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.

Republicans outnumber Democrats in Nebraska in terms of voter registration by about 169,000. Considering that the number of voting-eligible voters in Nebraska (as of 2010) was 1,309,521, I just don't see 13% of the the voting-eligible population crossing the aisle and voting for a Kerrey.


Give it time, this lady is Cattle rancher and part-time state legislator. The odds of her doing/saying something fatally stupid by election day is rather high (CF Sharron Angle's Syndrome)
 
2012-05-16 03:13:31 PM

Guidette Frankentits: In states where republicans outnumber democrats, Poop Flinging Monkey (R) will get more votes than Jesus (D).

The same can be said for states where Democrats outnumber republicans, Hitler (D) would get more votes than Gun-hating Illegal Immigrant (R)


Yep, it's pretty awesome voting in elections knowing you're unrepresented and disenfranchised just because of what you registered as.

In 2010, I did all write-ins or third parties. My vote counted about as much as every person voting Democrat that year. You could probably fit us all in one good sized theater too.
 
2012-05-16 03:15:38 PM
I would agree that this is a tough fight, and a likely R pickup, but those same Republicans voted for Nelson. This definitely helps create an environment where that is possible again.
 
2012-05-16 03:28:19 PM
bdub77
Frankly I just see this country going further and further right. I don't know if it is redistricting, the distraction of social conservatism, the inability to understand the deficit or debt, or what. Maybe it's jobs?

Its not jobs, the rightward march started before that.

Its uncertainty, and social change.

These are people that grew up in a nation where you worked the same job for twenty years. You bought a house, it went up in value, and made a nice nest egg. Your kids could afford college. You always had health insurance. Your kids would do a little better than you.

You went to the market or the mall or walked the street, most people looked pretty much like you, because most neighborhoods were segregated. You didn't hear many foreign accents.

Now all bets are off. A good job? Good luck, you might be working for less next year, your company might disappear or offshore or be acquired. Your income might go down. Your house might lose value. You can't afford to put your kids through college, and your current job or your next one might not come with any health insurance.

There are all kinds of people who don't look like you, sound like you, or share your religion. Your country that was the most powerful in the world? It is now subject to terrorist attacks like anyone else, it doesn't get love from countries it invades.

This makes people angry. Angry and fearful. Their own economic anxiety is expressed by anxiety over the government's finances. Their own insecurities are expressed by outrage when a President apologizes. Their fear of people who don't look and worship like them....well, Obama derangement syndrome.

That's your rightward drift. People get scared and they look for daddy, that's fascism in a nutshell. All those supposed rugged entrepeneurs and fearless frontiersmen are peeing themselves with fear.
 
2012-05-16 03:31:21 PM

bdub77: Frankly I just see this country going further and further right. I don't know if it is redistricting, the distraction of social conservatism, the inability to understand the deficit or debt, or what.


Don't discount the awesome power of an uneducated populace.
 
2012-05-16 03:41:00 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Wait, did I read that right? Romney is ahead with 72% in Oregon?


...in the GOP primary. This makes sense. The GOP in relatively blue states tend to be relatively liberal compared to the red-state GOP. For the relatively liberal GOP, Santorum and Gingrich are laughable. Or were you expecting a better showing from RON PAUL!!! ?
 
2012-05-16 03:44:03 PM
Bob Kerrey is the worst anyway. He'd hurt the Dem caucus just as much as a Gooper
 
2012-05-16 03:48:00 PM
Lets assume for the moment that the GOP doesn't have more voters then the Democrats right now in Nebraska. A lot of the Democrats from there are also Blue Dogs. So for some reason people are expecting a very red state to switch to blue ... what ... via magic? Just because the Republican who is running is a pretty extremist? Unlikely.

I was driving to work this morning and saw a van that had two HUGE bumper stickers:
- "Legalize the Constitution"
- "The Founding Father were right-wing extremists"

Good luck in 2012 Democrats! You're gonna need it.
 
2012-05-16 03:51:34 PM

pacified: Bob Kerrey is the worst anyway. He'd hurt the Dem caucus just as much as a Gooper


So pretty much just like Nelson?
 
2012-05-16 04:01:26 PM

EighthDay: pacified: Bob Kerrey is the worst anyway. He'd hurt the Dem caucus just as much as a Gooper

So pretty much just like Nelson?


Yup. I guess he votes for a Dem for leadership, but anything else of importance he sucks. He too would have blocked ACA just like Nelson to appear "moderate".
 
2012-05-16 04:04:28 PM

RexTalionis: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: You know, Bob Kerrey's polling behind Fischer right now, right?

Name recognition and running against a fruitbat? Yeah, I think it's a little too early to think that's conclusive in any way.

Republicans outnumber Democrats in Nebraska in terms of voter registration by about 169,000. Considering that the number of voting-eligible voters in Nebraska (as of 2010) was 1,309,521, I just don't see 13% of the the voting-eligible population crossing the aisle and voting for a Kerrey.


A lot of people said the same thing about Harry Reid in Nevada...until they heard Sharon Angle.
 
2012-05-16 04:05:10 PM

pacified: EighthDay: pacified: Bob Kerrey is the worst anyway. He'd hurt the Dem caucus just as much as a Gooper

So pretty much just like Nelson?

Yup. I guess he votes for a Dem for leadership, but anything else of importance he sucks. He too would have blocked ACA just like Nelson to appear "moderate".


In which case - since that keeps Reid as Senate leader, and Dems as leaders of the committees - the Dems want Kerrey far more than they want Fischer.
 
2012-05-16 04:16:03 PM

EighthDay: pacified: EighthDay: pacified: Bob Kerrey is the worst anyway. He'd hurt the Dem caucus just as much as a Gooper

So pretty much just like Nelson?

Yup. I guess he votes for a Dem for leadership, but anything else of importance he sucks. He too would have blocked ACA just like Nelson to appear "moderate".

In which case - since that keeps Reid as Senate leader, and Dems as leaders of the committees - the Dems want Kerrey far more than they want Fischer.


This is what the RINO/DINO people don't get. If all he votes with you for is the leadership, and he votes against you on everything else, he's still far better than the other party (see Zell Miller).
 
2012-05-16 04:18:30 PM
My concern on Deb is this:

Sara Palin was not ready for primetime. Deb does not seem to be either. She is not articulate, and Kerry is a very likable guy. She needs a public speeking coach.

She did not win, John Bruning lost. In my view he earned that senate seat because of his bang up job spear heading the challenge to Obamacare. Stenburg and Bruning got nasty on the campaign and Deb benefited. This is an analog to the 1992 presidential election Bruning (bush) had votes syphoned off by someone who had no chance, stenburg (perot), and Deb (Clinton) won
 
2012-05-16 04:22:46 PM
I may not agree with them, but at least they're standing up for themselves instead of letting their party tell them one thing and do the opposite.

Meanwhile democrats trumpet their victory, while letting their party sell them out once again.
 
2012-05-16 04:36:50 PM

ArkPanda: This is what the RINO/DINO people don't get. If all he votes with you for is the leadership, and he votes against you on everything else, he's still far better than the other party (see Zell Miller).


BINGO.

Democrats should want "DINOs"

And Republicans should want "RINOs"

If they don't vote with you all the time, as long as they don't cost you the vote, oh well, if it allows you to advance the party platform.

The party purification process is a horribly bad thing over the long term. Short term you might have great success, but what we're seeing now - where anyone who doesn't agree 100% is vilified - is a downward spiral to alienating the moderates who will keep you in power.

I don't think we've met critical mass yet from the conservative side, but it certainly seems like it's picking up steam. The increasing stream of moderate Republicans out of the party entirely is a problem that should be addressed if the Republican party wants to remain viable over the long term.
 
2012-05-16 04:37:30 PM

Aikidogamer: This is an analog to the 1992 presidential election Bruning (bush) had votes syphoned off by someone who had no chance, stenburg (perot), and Deb (Clinton) won


Except that Perot costing Bush the election is a myth. It sounds nice, but it's not what actually happened.
 
2012-05-16 04:37:37 PM

LittleSmitty: Tyrano Soros: Republican with both the Palin and Cain vote? I don't think so, subby.

Heh, didn't the Palin backed Tea Party candidate for the Alaka senate seat get beat by the write in candidate Lisa Murkowski? Didn't Palin also back Christine "I am not a witch" O'Donnell?

/Heh



Neither of which are in the derptastic state of Nebraska, though.
 
2012-05-16 04:43:40 PM

Guidette Frankentits: In states where republicans outnumber democrats, Poop Flinging Monkey (R) will get more votes than Jesus (D).

The same can be said for states where Democrats outnumber republicans, Hitler (D) would get more votes than Gun-hating Illegal Immigrant (R)


To be fair though, at least Hitler can be counted on to stick to his campaign promises; can't say that about a lot of Republicans these days.

/I mean, say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's a ethos.
 
2012-05-16 04:49:45 PM
That headline was the most hilarious thing I've read all week. Does Subby realize that Kerrey doesn't even live in the freekin state anymore?
 
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