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2012-05-15 09:43:00 PM  
I think it's fantastic. You see, I want the American Taliban to be as loud and obnoxious as they can be. It's good to have these cretins out of the shadows.
 
2012-05-15 09:49:56 PM  
that's a very restrictive and specific contract.
 
2012-05-15 09:53:48 PM  
I'm frankly surprised that Shorter didn't have a "lifestyle clause" before now.

The "Personal Lifestyle Statement" requires employees to reject homosexuality, premarital sex, adultery, drug use and public drinking near campus. It also mandates that staff be active in a local church.

In an anonymous survey in April, only 12 percent of faculty and staff said that they planned to stay at Shorter University, a 139-year-old Baptist school, reports Inside Higher Ed. More than 50 resigned before the new contracts were even distributed, and certain departments, such as science and fine arts, have been "eviscerated," according to Michael Wilson, a tenured librarian for the university who's worked there for 14 years.


Fine Arts and Science. You don't say.

Actually, I'm also surprised that Shorter has Fine Arts and Science departments. Seriously - Shorter is where really batshiat Baptists send their kids, when the kid can't get into a better school or can't afford Liberty U. Academically, it's a joke. And now they're proving what they're really there to do - basically it's an American Taliban training camp. Jesus Camp for young adults, as it were.

I hope they go right the fark under because of this.
 
2012-05-15 09:58:17 PM  
Ah Baptists. Is there anything they don't hate?
 
2012-05-15 10:02:26 PM  
The Employment section on their website so far.
(Rome, Georgia)


Faculty Positions

Assistant Professor of Psychology - Rome
Assistant Professor of Christian Studies - Rome
Dean of College of Adult and Professional Studies - All Campuses
Assistant Professor of Theatre (Technical Theatre) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Dance - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Woodwinds) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Music Theory) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Voice) - Rome
Dean of Nursing - Rome
Assistant Professor of Accounting and Director of MACC - Rome
Assistant Professor of Sport Management - Rome
Assistant Professor and Chair, Department of Theatre
Assistant Professor of Spanish - Rome
Assistant Professor / Instructor of Mathematics - Rome
Assistant Professor of Christian Studies, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of Earth Science, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of History, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Rome
Assistant Professor of English - Rome
Assistant Professor of English, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of English, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Gwinnett
Assistant Professor of Mathematics, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of Sociology - Rome
Biology Lab Instructor - Rome
Assistant Professor of Chemistry / Bio-Chemistry - Rome
Assistant Professor, School of Nursing - Rome

Adjunct

Adjunct Instructor of French - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Early Childhood Education - Online Programs
Adjunct Professor of Marketing - Online Programs
Adjunct Instructor of Criminal Justice - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Psychology - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Sociology - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Spanish - Rome
Adjunct Clinical Faculty, School of Nursing - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Marketing - Rome
Adjunct Instructors of Accounting and Finance - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Communication Arts - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Humanities - Rome
Adjunct Instructors, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Rome and North Atlanta
 
2012-05-15 10:17:56 PM  

From their HR website:

Personal Lifestyle Statement
A. Christian Commitment and Membership in a Local Church

Shorter University will hire persons who are committed Bible believing Christians, who are dedicated to integrating biblical faith in their classes and who are in agreement with the University Statement of Faith. Moreover, employees are expected to be active members of a local church.

B. Principles of Personal Conduct

I agree to adhere to and support the following principles (on or off the campus):

1. I will be loyal to the mission of Shorter University as a Christ-centered institution affiliated with the Georgia Baptist Convention.

2. I will not engage in the use, sale, possession, or production of illegal drugs.

3. I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality.

4. I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol.

I have read and agree with the Personal Lifestyle Statement and will adhere to it in its entirety while employed at Shorter University. I understand that failure to adhere to this statement may result in disciplinary action against me, up to and including immediate termination.

But Wait - there's more! In addition to this, they also have to sign off on:

Shorter University Statement of Faith


A. The Bible. We believe the Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments, is the inerrant and infallible Word of God. It was given by inspiration of God and is the only certain and authoritative rule of every aspect of the Christian life.

B. The Trinity. We believe there is only one true and living God. The triune God is manifested as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. In all things we owe Him alone the highest love, reverence, and obedience. Members of the Trinity have distinct individual attributes, but without division of essence, character, nature, or being.

C. God the Father. We believe there is only one God, who created, preserves, and rules over the universe. The historical account of creation found in Genesis declares that God is the personal and direct Creator of all that exists, including the first humans Adam and Eve, from whom all human beings have come.

D. God the Son: Jesus Christ. We believe Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity and is the eternal Son of God. Conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, Jesus lived a sinless life, perfectly revealing and doing the will of God. His substitutionary atonement on the cross made provision for the redemption of sinful humanity. He was crucified and rose on the third day and ascended to the Father. He alone is sufficient as Savior and rules as Sovereign of the universe. He sits at the right hand of the Father making intercession for believers, and He is the only mediator between God and humanity. In Him "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9 NKJV) and He is "over all, the eternally blessed God" (Romans 9:5 NKJV).

E. Holy Spirit. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and is fully divine. He convicts individuals of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment, and He enables believers to comprehend God's truth as revealed in Scripture. He indwells and empowers believers for godly service, for worship, and for witness.

F. Humanity. We believe God originally created human beings in His own image, and Adam and Eve were created in perfection. Through Satan's temptation, they fell from their original perfection into sin. All humans are sinners, fall short of God's standard of perfection, and are consequently under God's condemnation. The only remedy for sin is personal salvation through faith alone in Jesus Christ, wholly apart from human merit and works.

G. Salvation. We believe that salvation involves the redemption of the whole person and is offered as a free gift to all who accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior by repentance and faith alone. Salvation is entirely of God's grace and cannot be achieved through any human work. To be effective, however, it must
be appropriated by the God-given free choice of individuals apart from any human merit or effort. Salvation is not possible apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ, and those who die without receiving Jesus as Savior go into everlasting torment and eternal separation from a loving God.

H. The Church. We believe that Jesus Christ is Head of the church, comprised of all true believers in Him. Christians are to associate themselves as members of local churches and to serve Jesus Christ faithfully in carrying out the Great Commission. Each church has the authority and right from Jesus Christ to govern itself and to administer order, to worship, and to carry out its various ministries.

I. Evangelism and Missions. We believe that it is the privilege and duty of all believers to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ personally and by all methods in harmony with Holy Scripture. A Christ-centered education includes the ongoing integration of biblical faith into every academic discipline of the University. All subject matter is to be approached, presented, and evaluated from a biblical worldview.

J. Last Things. In accord with biblical prophecy, we believe that God will bring the world to its appropriate end, that Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth, that the dead will be raised, and that Christ will judge all humanity in righteousness. Unbelievers will be consigned to the place of everlasting punishment, while the redeemed in their resurrected and glorified bodies will dwell forever with the Lord in Heaven.

K. Life of the Believer. We believe that Christians should be consistent with Scripture in their character and in their conduct. We believe that the Bible is our supreme authority and that it provides the moral and ethical principles for personal conduct within and outside the academic community.

AAAAANNNND, finally:

Biblical Principles on the Integration of Faith and Learning


When questioned as to the greatest commandment, Jesus offered the following declaration:
"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength." Mark 12:30
As a scholarly community of excellence, Shorter University seeks to embody this commandment in the following ways:

A. Academic Excellence/Scholarship (Strength and Mind). We commit ourselves to explore our disciplines with scholarly excellence and with diligence and to help develop in our students a biblical worldview, thus preparing them for servant leadership in the world through their chosen academic disciplines. The mission of Shorter University includes the integration of biblical faith and learning in its educational experiences which are designed to enrich scholarship, Christian discipleship, and lifelong learning within the disciplines. University faculty and staff will pledge themselves to integrating biblical faith into every aspect of the life of the University in which they serve.

1. University Faculty
University faculty will submit an annual plan with their contract that includes the following goals:

a. An approved plan for developing their scholastic, educational, and instructional skills in order to stay current in their particular academic disciplines

b. An approved strategy for integrating biblical faith into the academic disciplines

2. University Staff
University staff will submit an annual plan with the letter of agreement that details how they will integrate the Christian faith into their specific areas of work.

B. Spiritual Vigor (Heart and Soul). Shorter University employees commit themselves to cultivating a campus environment that encourages spiritual, moral, and intellectual growth in concert with a biblical worldview.

1. Shorter University employees will encourage the spiritual development of our students by sharing with them the biblical message of Jesus Christ and by encouraging them to implement biblical truths in their daily lives and decisions.

2. Shorter University employees will strive to practice biblical standards of ethics, morality, and behavior in all endeavors and among their colleagues and with students in all endeavors, contexts, and situations.


Now, who wouldn't want to work there?
 
2012-05-15 10:31:30 PM  
If you don't want to sign pledges like this, don't work at a batshiat crazy Baptist school.

Simple as that. And now the free market will destroy them because they decided to be so batshiat crazy Baptist.
 
2012-05-15 11:23:08 PM  

ArkAngel: If you don't want to sign pledges like this, don't work at a batshiat crazy Baptist school.


Restated for verity.

I mean seriously? What the fark did they expect? The college was controlled by a bunch of Southern Baptist churches.
 
2012-05-15 11:30:43 PM  

ArkAngel: If you don't want to sign pledges like this, don't work at a batshiat crazy Baptist school.

Simple as that. And now the free market will destroy them because they decided to be so batshiat crazy Baptist.


I do wonder why anyone who wasn't equally guano loco Baptist would ever work at one of these schools. I imagine you'd have to be desperate, or pretty damn stupid. Or both.

I also wonder if this newest lifestyle clause requirement, with its emphasis on alcohol, isn't a response to their faculty showing signs not being batshiat enough. There was a day - back in the 80s - when the Baptist colleges didn't seem to care what the profs did off campus as long as they toed the line on campus (Tift College here, just as they were closing it). Now, the national rhetoric is heating up and society as a whole is polarizing. The fundies seem to be losing whatever grasp they once had on reason.
 
2012-05-15 11:36:35 PM  
Hell, isn't the whole point of being a university professor to bang as many college chicks as possible? I would sign a pledge like that.
 
2012-05-15 11:39:06 PM  
FTA:
In the late 1950s, the college approached the [Georgia Baptist Convention] to help them with some financial troubles, and they formed a partnership. But when the convention started asserting more control over the board, the college tried to sever the tie. In 2005, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that Shorter's board didn't have the power to do that. Since then, the convention has chosen the university's trustees.

Georgia Baptist Convention = i.imgur.com
Next comes the bust out
 
2012-05-15 11:41:57 PM  
I realize there are idiots who manage to get PhD's. I realize that there are fundie schools that hand out PhD's to other fundies after what I'm guessing is not a very truly rigorously intellectual program. However, even with that, it seems like it would be difficult to find enough people with PhD's to fill a faculty at any university with any sizable student population with those requirements. And what reasonable employer outside of some other batshiat fundie organization is going to hire someone with such a school on their resume?
 
2012-05-15 11:43:49 PM  

WorldCitizen: I realize there are idiots who manage to get PhD's. I realize that there are fundie schools that hand out PhD's to other fundies after what I'm guessing is not a very truly rigorously intellectual program. However, even with that, it seems like it would be difficult to find enough people with PhD's to fill a faculty at any university with any sizable student population with those requirements. And what reasonable employer outside of some other batshiat fundie organization is going to hire someone with such a school on their resume?


It's easy to find PhD's. They probably get enough applications from China to fill their roster three times over. What's hard is finding good PhD's.
 
2012-05-16 12:15:01 AM  
I'm sure that they'll soon find the same caliber of faculty that has made Bob Jones University the pillar of light and education that it is today.

Eventually...
 
2012-05-16 12:43:49 AM  
Good grief, why would you even want to work there in the first place?!

/I know, a job is a job
//also, change from the inside and all that
///but still
 
2012-05-16 12:55:53 AM  
That's just unfortunate for ShortBus University.
 
2012-05-16 01:50:28 AM  
I thought Shorter would be around longer.
 
2012-05-16 01:51:34 AM  
As a Christian, I get seriously annoyed by places like this.

29.media.tumblr.com

/SRSLY
 
2012-05-16 01:52:00 AM  

HawgWild: Good grief, why would you even want to work there in the first place?!


Well before now the faculty wasn't subject to all these rules. The rules are new. And seeing the rules the faculty have decided to seek employment elsewhere.
 
2012-05-16 01:52:16 AM  

legendary: FTA:
In the late 1950s, the college approached the [Georgia Baptist Convention] to help them with some financial troubles, and they formed a partnership. But when the convention started asserting more control over the board, the college tried to sever the tie. In 2005, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that Shorter's board didn't have the power to do that. Since then, the convention has chosen the university's trustees.

Georgia Baptist Convention = [i.imgur.com image 506x316]
Next comes the bust out


Talk about a deal with the devil....
 
2012-05-16 01:54:19 AM  
Good on them! No faculty, no university.
 
2012-05-16 01:54:47 AM  
reject homosexuality, premarital sex, adultery, drug use and public drinking

You mean all the things you go away to college specifically to do?

Well, minus adultery.
 
2012-05-16 01:56:35 AM  

Loucifer: I thought Shorter would be around longer.


You might say they are a bit Shorter on faculty now.
 
2012-05-16 01:57:08 AM  

legendary: , the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that Shorter's board didn't have the power to do that.


That confuses me to no end. Why would a private institution not have the power to enter into or leave whatever affiliations it wants? I'd love to know what the state's supreme court reasoning behind that one was
 
2012-05-16 01:57:57 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 4. I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present.


Wow. The way that's worded it appears they could nail someone for breaking the pledge if they found out that person had a glass of wine in a restaurant while on vacation anywhere in the world.
 
2012-05-16 01:58:08 AM  

kimwim: The Employment section on their website so far.
(Rome, Georgia)


Faculty Positions

Assistant Professor of Psychology - Rome
Assistant Professor of Christian Studies - Rome
Dean of College of Adult and Professional Studies - All Campuses
Assistant Professor of Theatre (Technical Theatre) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Dance - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Woodwinds) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Music Theory) - Rome
Assistant Professor of Music (Voice) - Rome
Dean of Nursing - Rome
Assistant Professor of Accounting and Director of MACC - Rome
Assistant Professor of Sport Management - Rome
Assistant Professor and Chair, Department of Theatre
Assistant Professor of Spanish - Rome
Assistant Professor / Instructor of Mathematics - Rome
Assistant Professor of Christian Studies, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of Earth Science, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of History, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Rome
Assistant Professor of English - Rome
Assistant Professor of English, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of English, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Gwinnett
Assistant Professor of Mathematics, College of Adult and Professional Programs - Riverdale
Assistant Professor of Sociology - Rome
Biology Lab Instructor - Rome
Assistant Professor of Chemistry / Bio-Chemistry - Rome
Assistant Professor, School of Nursing - Rome

Adjunct

Adjunct Instructor of French - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Early Childhood Education - Online Programs
Adjunct Professor of Marketing - Online Programs
Adjunct Instructor of Criminal Justice - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Psychology - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Sociology - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Spanish - Rome
Adjunct Clinical Faculty, School of Nursing - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Marketing - Rome
Adjunct Instructors of Accounting and Finance - Rome
Adjunct Instructor of Communicatio ...


So, if they have Philosophy instructors, they must be OK with this.
 
2012-05-16 01:58:36 AM  
Oh man, are they going to feel silly once they get out into the real world and find that 0bummer killed all the jerbs. And that's what they get for being all uppity with their PhDs and book-learnin'. Get a brain, morans!
 
2012-05-16 01:58:41 AM  
Last year I sent my son and wife out to Seattle to escape the Fukushima radiation. We ended up putting him in a church-run pre-school day program. The faculty there all signed professions of faith, but nothing like the over-the-top stuff in that contract.

I can't see how that could fly except at church-run private schools where the faculty are members of the church. Foisting those restrictions on non-members seems like a terrible idea (and this story bears that out).
 
2012-05-16 01:59:27 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: A. The Bible. We believe the Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments, is the inerrant and infallible Word of God. It was given by inspiration of God and is the only certain and authoritative rule of every aspect of the Christian life.


What a bunch of god damned hypocrites. I will bet every last cent that I have that none of those who drafted this contract follow every prohibition in the old testament.
 
2012-05-16 02:01:27 AM  

apoptotic: Wow. The way that's worded it appears they could nail someone for breaking the pledge if they found out that person had a glass of wine in a restaurant while on vacation anywhere in the world.


It also indicates the people running the school have no idea at all about Jesus. He after all did the whole water into wine thing at a wedding feast. The man was not in any way opposed to having a good time.

kimwim: Assistant Professor of Christian Studies


When you're a Christian school who loses a professor of Christian Studies due to your new policies, you may have gone too far.
 
2012-05-16 02:02:09 AM  

Bhasayate: So, if they have Philosophy instructors, they must be OK with this.


Yeah, I went to their web page. They don't seem to teach any philosophy courses.
 
2012-05-16 02:03:31 AM  
"I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible,.."

Whew.. As a rapist who forced his victim to marry me, at least I'm still safe.
 
2012-05-16 02:04:42 AM  

Bhasayate: Bhasayate: So, if they have Philosophy instructors, they must be OK with this.

Yeah, I went to their web page. They don't seem to teach any philosophy courses.


(0_o)
 
2012-05-16 02:05:54 AM  

legendary: [i.imgur.com image 506x316]


I was thinking more along the lines of that old Simpsons episode where Marge opens up a pretzel stand and Homer hires the local Mafia to help behind the scenes. The same idea, but with a touch of cartoonish ridiculousness just to spice things up.

Congratulations, Georgia Baptist Convention, for becoming an organised crime syndicate.
 
2012-05-16 02:06:21 AM  
api.ning.com
 
2012-05-16 02:06:50 AM  
Only 12% of the faculty intends to stay. That's. . . that's amazing.

Good for these profs for standing up and shouting no. I'm sure some of the 88% were Baptists who might have agreed with the pledge - but they empathize with coworkers or realize that as an employment requirement, it's bullshiat. Good for them.
 
2012-05-16 02:07:29 AM  

WhyteRaven74: apoptotic: Wow. The way that's worded it appears they could nail someone for breaking the pledge if they found out that person had a glass of wine in a restaurant while on vacation anywhere in the world.

It also indicates the people running the school have no idea at all about Jesus. He after all did the whole water into wine thing at a wedding feast. The man was not in any way opposed to having a good time.

kimwim: Assistant Professor of Christian Studies

When you're a Christian school who loses a professor of Christian Studies due to your new policies, you may have gone too far.


And there is some verse, I believe in Timothy or something, where Paul specifically tells someone to have a glass of wine with their meals.

1 Timothy 5:23 "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent" illnesses. http://bible.cc/1_timothy/5-23.htm

Of course, they might say "Oh, it's just for medicinal purposes."

But then what about that whole drinking communion wine thing? No, Christians saying "you can't ever ever drink alcohol" is pretty silly.
 
2012-05-16 02:08:25 AM  

404 page not found: Bhasayate: Bhasayate: So, if they have Philosophy instructors, they must be OK with this.

Yeah, I went to their web page. They don't seem to teach any philosophy courses.

(0_o)


I saw that they teach apologetics courses, though.
 
2012-05-16 02:09:47 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only remedy for sin is personal salvation through faith alone in Jesus Christ, wholly apart from human merit and works.


No. That is not how it works. You do good deeds, regardless of if you believe in God or not, you go to heaven. You do evil deeds, you are required to reflect on your misdeeds in life, and once you have atoned, you are allowed into heaven. There is no hell.
Any God who would deny entry to the afterlife based solely on if you believed on him or not, or one that would truly create a place of eternal suffering such as hell, even for the people most vicious during their few decades on this Earth not only deserves no respect, but actively deserves absolute hatred.
 
2012-05-16 02:10:41 AM  

Bhasayate: They don't seem to teach any philosophy courses.


There's a shocker.
 
2012-05-16 02:11:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: apoptotic: Wow. The way that's worded it appears they could nail someone for breaking the pledge if they found out that person had a glass of wine in a restaurant while on vacation anywhere in the world.

It also indicates the people running the school have no idea at all about Jesus. He after all did the whole water into wine thing at a wedding feast. The man was not in any way opposed to having a good time.


I asked a fundamentalist teetotaler coworker about that once, and he claimed that either the word "wine" was a mistranslation or that what they called wine back then was actually non-alcoholic. I don't remember specifically what he said, but they are indoctrinated against that argument.
 
2012-05-16 02:12:20 AM  

starsrift: Only 12% of the faculty intends to stay. That's. . . that's amazing.


And going by their employment listing they lost at least one professor of Christian Studies. That's some rich creamy irony.
 
2012-05-16 02:13:49 AM  

Crudbucket: , but they are indoctrinated against that argument.


Yeah some are. Course one could ask how exactly you keep grape juice from turning into wine when you have no refrigeration handy.
 
2012-05-16 02:14:26 AM  

HawgWild: Good grief, why would you even want to work there in the first place?!

/I know, a job is a job
//also, change from the inside and all that
///but still


I think the horny factor from all those hot christian chicks just primed to explode is worth an academic year there to try out.
 
2012-05-16 02:14:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Crudbucket: , but they are indoctrinated against that argument.

Yeah some are. Course one could ask how exactly you keep grape juice from turning into wine when you have no refrigeration handy.


You drink it really quick...
 
2012-05-16 02:15:39 AM  

0Icky0: "I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible,.."

Whew.. As a rapist who forced his victim to marry me, at least I'm still safe.


And as a chronic Onanist I would be both f*cked and not f*cked ( :( ) at the same time.

/i just don't feel right getting this cuckold-crazy guy's wife pregnant
 
2012-05-16 02:16:02 AM  

Pichu0102: Benevolent Misanthrope: The only remedy for sin is personal salvation through faith alone in Jesus Christ, wholly apart from human merit and works.

No. That is not how it works. You do good deeds, regardless of if you believe in God or not, you go to heaven. You do evil deeds, you are required to reflect on your misdeeds in life, and once you have atoned, you are allowed into heaven. There is no hell.
Any God who would deny entry to the afterlife based solely on if you believed on him or not, or one that would truly create a place of eternal suffering such as hell, even for the people most vicious during their few decades on this Earth not only deserves no respect, but actively deserves absolute hatred.


I find your ideas intriguing, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

In all seriousness, though... I'm an atheist, but I wish more theists thought this way. Whether or not there is a god, we should try to make life better.
 
2012-05-16 02:19:48 AM  
Shorter University contact page. Send them an e-mail.
 
2012-05-16 02:21:01 AM  

Pichu0102: Benevolent Misanthrope: The only remedy for sin is personal salvation through faith alone in Jesus Christ, wholly apart from human merit and works.

No. That is not how it works. You do good deeds, regardless of if you believe in God or not, you go to heaven. You do evil deeds, you are required to reflect on your misdeeds in life, and once you have atoned, you are allowed into heaven. There is no hell.
Any God who would deny entry to the afterlife based solely on if you believed on him or not, or one that would truly create a place of eternal suffering such as hell, even for the people most vicious during their few decades on this Earth not only deserves no respect, but actively deserves absolute hatred.


It doesn't even make sense. If (lack of) sin is irrelevant to getting into heaven, and only faith matters, why bother being such sticklers about not sinning?
 
2012-05-16 02:21:45 AM  

WhyteRaven74: legendary: , the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that Shorter's board didn't have the power to do that.

That confuses me to no end. Why would a private institution not have the power to enter into or leave whatever affiliations it wants? I'd love to know what the state's supreme court reasoning behind that one was


Georgia supreme court.
 
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