It seems to me that more voting fraud has been perpetrated by conservative activists than by non-citizens.

quatchi: A video triptych from James O'Keefe...

Anybody make it past the first 6 words?

Hot Air, because opinions are like assholes...

And calling what O'Keefe does 'opinion' is being generous. He's more of a 'bearing false witness' kind of guy.

RexTalionis: Hi. Thanks for documenting your voting fraud.

Moreover, since Gorkowski is a naturalized citizen who is allowed to vote, there's a defamation issue here. James O'Keefe documented his libel of an innocent person.

Can non-criminal intentional torts constitute parole violations? They should.

This fantasy scenario requires the alien national to have some motivation to 1. register and 2. actually vote, instead of trying to remain inconspicuous if they're illegal or un-arrested if they're here with a green card.

Would anyone here in the US feel driven to try to illegally vote in, say, Japan or France if you were living there as an alien?

karnal: unexplained bacon


karnal: coeyagi

For my good friend that I have on ignore:


Thanks - they are very nice. Sorry, I didn't get you anything, Andy.

he wont see that you're on his ignore list

I've never ignored anyone but you're probably the most tempting farker I've seen.
nothing of value from you, only low brow partisan taunting. Not even actually RW talking points for us Dims to practice on, just crap.


Come on, Dim - ignore me.

I've gone this long without resorting to that, but you really are the worst thread shiatter I've seen.
Most TSers of your caliber will just do a quick post and run, but you stick around to make sure the thread is just covered in shiat.

I'm just wasting time here, so I guess I shouldn't be mad at you since clearly that's what you're doing, but you really do take the discourse down to playground level very effectively...have you tried yahoo politics threads? Fark threads look more and more like that thanks to you.

/mmmmm dim sum

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Just sayin'

It is a little backwards when people are doing everything they can to prevent their fellow citizens from voting, while simultaneously doing everything they can to ensure the availability of large, anonymous cash donations for politicians.

Headso: Do people seriously believe republicans/conservatives are taking this issue up not to disenfranchise people but to protect democracy? The way certain people in the thread are speaking they seem to believe that, rubes I guess.

I find it so convenient that O'Keefe's video has surfaced right as our conservative-majority legislature here in NC returns to session. They tried to pass a voter ID bill last year and it failed to muster enough votes to pass the Governor's veto, but they've vowed to try again and are using his video as "proof" on "how easy it is to illegally vote without an ID".

Except, no one has managed to come up with anything but individual isolated cases of illegal voting in NC. Every Republican legislator that has been asked for the numbers of voter fraud have failed to provide anything, but they all claim the Voter ID bill will prevent it from happening. Basically they want a law to stop a nonexistent crime; the few cases of illegal voting would have succeeded with a voter ID anyway, so what's the point?

Oh, right; the point is to make the chore of getting the ID so onerous to those without a driver's license (typically the very old or very poor, who happen to mostly vote Democratic) that they don't bother, and therefore can no longer vote at all.

PanicMan: bulldg4life: jso2897: I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.

Oh definitely. That's why I'm responding to him.

But, I just try to get them to break character. Sort of like a meta-reverse-troll.

I've always called that counter-trolling. Either way, it's almost as fun to watch as it is to do.

Until the mods delete your posts and dub it as trolling while leaving the spammer posting DIMSDIMS user alone.

Do people seriously believe republicans/conservatives are taking this issue up not to disenfranchise people but to protect democracy? The way certain people in the thread are speaking they seem to believe that, rubes I guess.

dittybopper: Yeah, because the two things are completely unrelated.
I mean, sure, people might get off their ass and register to vote when they aren't eligible, but they'd *NEVER* actually vote if they weren't eligible, right?

You're being a tad bit dense to connect the two.

For example, the idea of widespread voter REGISTRATION fraud is driven by fears over minority/poor/inner-city voter drives (re: Acorn). Some organizations (like Acorn) have inefficient models around paying per signature which can lead people to simply fill out the forms in an attempt to get money. However, the idiotic thing is the only way these issues come about is because the organizations (like Acorn) identify possibly fraudulent registrations and flag them for removal. By law, they are required to turn them in. They can't just get rid of them by themselves.

Those above situations are in no way, shape, or form connected to the manipulation of voter counts through fraudulent means. They are related in that they both have "voter" in them, I guess.

Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck, and I. P. Freely aren't trying to vote on election day.

Now, if you have evidence of a widespread effort by non-eligible people trying to vote, I would LOVE to see it.

From this outstanding video by James O'Keefe, we see one american citizen voting and a bunch of other people in stupid outfits not voting.

karnal: What is it with Democrats and voter fraud.....it's like cheating is instinctive to them.

What is it with Republicans and projection?

Between ID cards, caging schemes, disinformation campaigns and redistricting the GOP have been the biggest culprits in terms of cheating to win elections.

The voter fraud you speak of does not exist.

/Maybe it's hiding out somewhere with your sense of shame?

What is it with Democrats and voter fraud.....it's like cheating is instinctive to them.

I remember, about 5-7 years back, a Farker here claimed to work for Diebold as a programmer on their ATMs. He was annoyed at the hit to their reputation the voting machines caused. He said the company bought the voting machine software somewhere else, and guys like him weren't allowed to look at it.

/keep trying to post, my network keeps eating it..

So, which one of them voted? Is this just more "voter registration fraud" = "voter fraud" hand waving?

randomjsa: We now have two groups of people.

People who recognize that the system is broken and want to fix it using IDs and people who recognize that the system is broken and like it that way.

Oh and the "Lalala! It's coming from a source we don't like so its ALL A LIE!" responses are amusing.

The two groups of people are A) Those who want to disenfranchise the youth vote, the minority vote and the poor vote through voter ID laws and caging schemes purely because those groups tend to vote Dem and B) Those who want to stop them.

Anyone who seriously buys into the talking point that this is about maintaining the integrity of the electoral process is either a shill or a sap.

O'Keefe is a proven shill.

Which one are you, Random?

Whenever somebody suggests a national ID card, which would take care of all of this, these same biatches go all black helicopters! and freedums! and shiat.

Fark them all anally with a trowel.

Call me when James O'Keefe makes a film about Citizens United/Campaign Finance, etc. = real subversion of Americans' vote & representative democracy. This is just a diversion funded by the same money really subverting the vote.

I've had my drivers license longer than I have had my naturalization certificate, there is nothing on my DL that says that I am now a citizen.

Oh, and anyone serious about voter fraud won't bother getting real people to go vote. It's too damned inefficient.

Consider, using the type of fraud that the ID laws are supposed to stop (which has few, if any, real documented cases), one person could possibly vote 10 times during an election (20-30 in a big city like Houston with early voting).

Or, if your party has a strong backer in a company, say, like Diebold you can get any election result you want with just a few people outside voting locations.

Which one is the most dangerous to democracy, and which one prevents brown/black/young people from voting.

And if it's so damned easy, why is this douchebag a wanted man in New Hampshire?

A video triptych from James O'Keefe...

Anybody make it past the first 6 words?

Hot Air, because opinions are like assholes...

Sgt Otter: SphericalTime: Why do they even bother? James O'Keefe is involved so Whatever the video claims is a lie. When one of his sting videos actually reveals the truth, I'll be shocked.

At least one of the guys in the video (around the 2:00 minute mark), Zbigniew Gorzkowski, is a Naturalized U.S. citizen, and has every right to vote in U.S. elections.


I tried to get a greenlit on that, but since it doesn't suck Breitbart cock, it went red.

Most states allow residents of legal standings to vote in local elections even if they are not a citizen of the United States.
They are just not allowed to vote in Federal elections.