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2012-05-16 08:37:26 AM
So when SCOTUS elects a president do they have to show IDs? Cause the libby libs on SCOTUS can't be citizens. Hell one of them is Hispanic.
 
2012-05-16 08:40:22 AM

maddogdelta: Oh, and anyone serious about voter fraud won't bother getting real people to go vote. It's too damned inefficient.

Consider, using the type of fraud that the ID laws are supposed to stop (which has few, if any, real documented cases), one person could possibly vote 10 times during an election (20-30 in a big city like Houston with early voting).

Or, if your party has a strong backer in a company, say, like Diebold you can get any election result you want with just a few people outside voting locations.

Which one is the most dangerous to democracy, and which one prevents brown/black/young people from voting.

And if it's so damned easy, why is this douchebag a wanted man in New Hampshire?


You don't even need that level of conspiracy. Just run your election like they do in Waukesha county. Make up the vote count you want and reply with "oops, I'm really bad at my job" when people come up asking questions.
 
2012-05-16 08:42:30 AM
One of my favorite cases of fraud comes from Nevada - there the voting machines, manned by SEIU techs, automatically checked Harry Reid's name.

Think it was the same year that Harry Reid gave out free food and gift cards to voters.
 
2012-05-16 08:43:36 AM

Sgt Otter: SphericalTime: Why do they even bother? James O'Keefe is involved so Whatever the video claims is a lie. When one of his sting videos actually reveals the truth, I'll be shocked.

At least one of the guys in the video (around the 2:00 minute mark), Zbigniew Gorzkowski, is a Naturalized U.S. citizen, and has every right to vote in U.S. elections.


That's unpossible. If he were really a naturalized citizen, he would have changed his name to a murrican sounding name.
 
2012-05-16 08:44:00 AM

Alphax: quatchi: A video triptych from James O'Keefe...

Anybody make it past the first 6 words?

Hot Air, because opinions are like assholes...

And calling what O'Keefe does 'opinion' is being generous. He's more of a 'bearing false witness' kind of guy.


True but I was going more with a "Hot Air = Stinky Fart" joke there.

/Pretty high brow poster, me.
//'Cept for the "pretty" part.
 
2012-05-16 08:45:57 AM
I just want to know which account got toasted to get a five year old regard account come out of retirement.

I don't remember the karnal account being such a goddamned moron until it started posting heavily a couple weeks ago.
 
2012-05-16 08:46:27 AM
jules_siegel


karnal: Was it the Republicans that had ACORN register 1.3 million illegal aliens and homeless people to vote?

No, because it never happened. If you have any evidence, I'll be happy to look at it.



From factcheck.org:

In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms.
 
2012-05-16 08:46:54 AM

karnal: One of my favorite cases of fraud comes from Nevada - there the voting machines, manned by SEIU techs, automatically checked Harry Reid's name.

Think it was the same year that Harry Reid gave out free food and gift cards to voters.


photos.lasvegassun.com

Yeah, that's what happened. Do you still have your novelty hat from the Harry Reid retirement party?
 
2012-05-16 08:47:18 AM
if voting fraud is so goddamned commonplace why is it the only examples O'Queef can find are those he perpetrates?

also that person he says wasn't a citizen is most certainly a citizen and if O'Queef had done the least bit of google searching he could have found out for himself.
but that might have been too much journalism for him.
 
2012-05-16 08:48:43 AM

bulldg4life: So, which one of them voted? Is this just more "voter registration fraud" = "voter fraud" hand waving?


Yeah, because the two things are completely unrelated.

I mean, sure, people might get off their ass and register to vote when they aren't eligible, but they'd *NEVER* actually vote if they weren't eligible, right?
 
2012-05-16 08:49:29 AM

Babwa Wawa: This is about poll taxes. A Florida state ID costs $25.

If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.

The issue is actually quite simple to solve. That is, if you're interested in actually solving the issue rather than making irrelevant political hay out of it.


So THIS.
 
2012-05-16 08:49:42 AM

gimmegimme: Without Fail: randomjsa: We now have two groups of people.

People who recognize that the system is broken and want to fix it using IDs and people who recognize that the system is broken and like it that way.

Oh and the "Lalala! It's coming from a source we don't like so its ALL A LIE!" responses are amusing.

Can you name a single election that was decided based on voter fraud?
...
No? Then it isn't broken.

Republicans prefer other methods for stealing elections and subverting the voice of the people:

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[www.blogforiowa.com image 400x256]

And these methods actually work!


There is a technology that can obviate almost all of the concerns you brought up: Hand-counted paper ballots.
 
2012-05-16 08:53:25 AM

dittybopper: gimmegimme: Without Fail: randomjsa: We now have two groups of people.

People who recognize that the system is broken and want to fix it using IDs and people who recognize that the system is broken and like it that way.

Oh and the "Lalala! It's coming from a source we don't like so its ALL A LIE!" responses are amusing.

Can you name a single election that was decided based on voter fraud?
...
No? Then it isn't broken.

Republicans prefer other methods for stealing elections and subverting the voice of the people:

[bluenred.files.wordpress.com image 561x361]

[pbh.pbhmedianetwork.netdna-cdn.com image 624x678]

[static.flickr.com image 640x395]

[www.blogforiowa.com image 400x256]

And these methods actually work!

There is a technology that can obviate almost all of the concerns you brought up: Hand-counted paper ballots.


But if we do that, how will Republicans steal elections and funnel tax money to the private businesses that donate money to them?
 
2012-05-16 08:54:12 AM

CPennypacker: Can someone tell me what the motivation is to commit voter fraud? DO they give you a cookie when you vote or something?


Well, it would increase your chances of being caught and deported, which doesn't matter to them, because the only real reason they risked their lives and fortunes to sneak into our country is because they want to put Fartbama Obummer and the Demon-crats into permanent power so they can have ALL our jerbs!
Yep, that's right. They came here to vote in our elections.
Habeeb it!
 
2012-05-16 08:54:42 AM

bulldg4life: I just want to know which account got toasted to get a five year old regard account come out of retirement.

I don't remember the karnal account being such a goddamned moron until it started posting heavily a couple weeks ago.


I'm thinking its a slow period for internet dentists.
 
2012-05-16 08:58:37 AM

karnal: In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms


The only number I see there is thousands. Please go back and show me how many people were illegally registered by Acorn. From your source:

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes.
 
2012-05-16 08:58:46 AM

Babwa Wawa: If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.


But photo IDs typically need other forms of proof - such as a birth certificate. And those cost money to request.

/and photo IDs don't do a damn thing to eliminate voter fraud
//which is basically non-existent in this country
 
2012-05-16 08:59:12 AM
bulldg4life


I just want to know which account got toasted to get a five year old regard account come out of retirement.

I don't remember the karnal account being such a goddamned moron until it started posting heavily a couple weeks ago.



And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!


/a shrill by any other name
 
2012-05-16 08:59:54 AM

dittybopper: Yeah, because the two things are completely unrelated.
I mean, sure, people might get off their ass and register to vote when they aren't eligible, but they'd *NEVER* actually vote if they weren't eligible, right?


You're being a tad bit dense to connect the two.

For example, the idea of widespread voter REGISTRATION fraud is driven by fears over minority/poor/inner-city voter drives (re: Acorn). Some organizations (like Acorn) have inefficient models around paying per signature which can lead people to simply fill out the forms in an attempt to get money. However, the idiotic thing is the only way these issues come about is because the organizations (like Acorn) identify possibly fraudulent registrations and flag them for removal. By law, they are required to turn them in. They can't just get rid of them by themselves.

Those above situations are in no way, shape, or form connected to the manipulation of voter counts through fraudulent means. They are related in that they both have "voter" in them, I guess.

Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck, and I. P. Freely aren't trying to vote on election day.

Now, if you have evidence of a widespread effort by non-eligible people trying to vote, I would LOVE to see it.

From this outstanding video by James O'Keefe, we see one american citizen voting and a bunch of other people in stupid outfits not voting.
 
2012-05-16 09:00:16 AM

gingerjet: Babwa Wawa: If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.

But photo IDs typically need other forms of proof - such as a birth certificate. And those cost money to request.

/and photo IDs don't do a damn thing to eliminate voter fraud
//which is basically non-existent in this country


what is it the GOP fears about people voting anyway? Why are they so convinced that they won't vote for their team?
 
2012-05-16 09:01:01 AM

karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!


You're like an idiot's version of mad libs.
 
2012-05-16 09:01:38 AM

karnal: One of my favorite cases of fraud comes from Nevada - there the voting machines, manned by SEIU techs, automatically checked Harry Reid's name.

Think it was the same year that Harry Reid gave out free food and gift cards to voters.


Well, forcing people to get voter ID cards would certainly have prevented that.
 
2012-05-16 09:02:10 AM
Do people seriously believe republicans/conservatives are taking this issue up not to disenfranchise people but to protect democracy? The way certain people in the thread are speaking they seem to believe that, rubes I guess.
 
2012-05-16 09:02:44 AM

karnal: bulldg4life


I just want to know which account got toasted to get a five year old regard account come out of retirement.

I don't remember the karnal account being such a goddamned moron until it started posting heavily a couple weeks ago.


And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!


/a shrill by any other name


A shrill what by any other name?
 
2012-05-16 09:03:56 AM

bulldg4life: karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!

You're like an idiot's version of mad libs.


He's a moron. You were right the first time.
 
2012-05-16 09:04:25 AM

Hobodeluxe: gingerjet: Babwa Wawa: If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.

But photo IDs typically need other forms of proof - such as a birth certificate. And those cost money to request.

/and photo IDs don't do a damn thing to eliminate voter fraud
//which is basically non-existent in this country

what is it the GOP fears about people voting anyway? Why are they so convinced that they won't vote for their team?


History - the more Americans vote, the worse Republicans do. Been the case for several decades.
 
2012-05-16 09:05:23 AM

bulldg4life: karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!

You're like an idiot's version of mad libs.


Best part?

FOREVER.
 
2012-05-16 09:05:25 AM

CPennypacker: He's a moron. You were right the first time.


I'm just impressed with the resurgence. Personally, I wouldn't run one account in to the ground so fast, but damnit if he's not trying.
 
2012-05-16 09:05:27 AM

karnal: Was it the Republicans that had ACORN register 1.3 million illegal aliens and homeless people to vote?


You are an established liar and thus your claims are not credible.
 
2012-05-16 09:05:36 AM

Headso: Do people seriously believe republicans/conservatives are taking this issue up not to disenfranchise people but to protect democracy? The way certain people in the thread are speaking they seem to believe that, rubes I guess.


They seriously believe that if they can just stop those people from voting, their pathetic lives will be improved. Imbeciles, all.
 
2012-05-16 09:06:04 AM

CPennypacker: bulldg4life: karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!

You're like an idiot's version of mad libs.

He's a moron. You were right the first time.


You guys are killjoys. I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.
 
2012-05-16 09:06:58 AM

jso2897: I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.


Oh definitely. That's why I'm responding to him.

But, I just try to get them to break character. Sort of like a meta-reverse-troll.
 
2012-05-16 09:09:06 AM

jso2897: CPennypacker: bulldg4life: karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!

You're like an idiot's version of mad libs.

He's a moron. You were right the first time.

You guys are killjoys. I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.


He says the best shiat when you insult him
 
2012-05-16 09:09:49 AM
Hobodeluxe

gingerjet: Babwa Wawa: If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.

But photo IDs typically need other forms of proof - such as a birth certificate. And those cost money to request.

/and photo IDs don't do a damn thing to eliminate voter fraud
//which is basically non-existent in this country

what is it the GOP fears about people voting anyway? Why are they so convinced that they won't vote for their team?



The don't fear people voting - they fear dead people voting democrat.
www.examiner.com
 
2012-05-16 09:09:58 AM

karnal: And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!


big govt as in huge defense budgets like the GOP love?
big govt as in huge subsidies for big oil and coal?
big govt as in invasive social legislation that comes between people (mostly women) and their doctors? or between two tax paying ,law abiding homosexuals who want the same privileges that heterosexuals receive from their govt?

History has proven that Republicans grow govt faster than Democrats.
Obama is the only president that has actually shrank the govt in modern history.
 
2012-05-16 09:10:18 AM

karnal: jules_siegel


karnal: Was it the Republicans that had ACORN register 1.3 million illegal aliens and homeless people to vote?

No, because it never happened. If you have any evidence, I'll be happy to look at it.


From factcheck.org:

In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms.


Please finish citing the stated "evidence" on the page provided.

No evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/
 
2012-05-16 09:11:02 AM

karnal: Hobodeluxe

gingerjet: Babwa Wawa: If you want to require state-issued photo ID at the polls, then you need to issue state photo IDs free of charge. If you want absolute proof of citizenship, then you need to support a free national ID card.

But photo IDs typically need other forms of proof - such as a birth certificate. And those cost money to request.

/and photo IDs don't do a damn thing to eliminate voter fraud
//which is basically non-existent in this country

what is it the GOP fears about people voting anyway? Why are they so convinced that they won't vote for their team?


The don't fear people voting - they fear dead people voting democrat.
[www.examiner.com image 250x250]


and I fear retards voting GOP so we're even.
 
2012-05-16 09:11:07 AM

gimmegimme: keylock71: ^ Case in point...

Yeah, I'm not really sure where karnal was going with that.


'Look at me! 'LOOK at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!'
 
2012-05-16 09:12:22 AM
Obviously, we need another greenlit thread in Politics. Something a bit sane.
 
2012-05-16 09:12:36 AM

bulldg4life: jso2897: I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.

Oh definitely. That's why I'm responding to him.

But, I just try to get them to break character. Sort of like a meta-reverse-troll.


I've always called that counter-trolling. Either way, it's almost as fun to watch as it is to do.
 
2012-05-16 09:12:51 AM

Glicky: Please finish citing the stated "evidence" on the page provided.


Well this is a breitbart thread, selective editing and lying is fair game.
 
2012-05-16 09:13:13 AM

Glicky: karnal: jules_siegel


karnal: Was it the Republicans that had ACORN register 1.3 million illegal aliens and homeless people to vote?

No, because it never happened. If you have any evidence, I'll be happy to look at it.


From factcheck.org:

In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms.

Please finish citing the stated "evidence" on the page provided.

No evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/


and ACORN themselves are the ones who reported the employees wrongdoings to the authorities because under law ACORN cannot itself make determinations as to a signature's validity. ACORN did everything they were supposed to do in this matter.
 
2012-05-16 09:13:49 AM
Awwww, it's so cute!!!! The tiny preemie baby of the Why Romney Lost Excuse is so precious, I can see why you Cons wouldn't want to abort it! I hope big siblings Librul Meedya and Communist Minority Conspiracy will be able to take care of it.
 
2012-05-16 09:14:22 AM

jso2897

karnal: bulldg4life


I just want to know which account got toasted to get a five year old regard account come out of retirement.

I don't remember the karnal account being such a goddamned moron until it started posting heavily a couple weeks ago.


And by moron you mean "anyone who disagrees with my mindless big government mentality". Gotcha!


/a shrill by any other name

A shrill what by any other name?



Shrill The act of reaching high picthed sounds when in distress, getting excited, or just when being annoying. It can be used as a noun, verb, or anything else.
 
2012-05-16 09:15:09 AM

PanicMan: bulldg4life: jso2897: I like Karnal - it's fun to poke him and have him say crazy things.

Oh definitely. That's why I'm responding to him.

But, I just try to get them to break character. Sort of like a meta-reverse-troll.

I've always called that counter-trolling. Either way, it's almost as fun to watch as it is to do.


Until the mods delete your posts and dub it as trolling while leaving the spammer posting DIMSDIMS user alone.
 
2012-05-16 09:15:40 AM

Headso: Do people seriously believe republicans/conservatives are taking this issue up not to disenfranchise people but to protect democracy? The way certain people in the thread are speaking they seem to believe that, rubes I guess.


I find it so convenient that O'Keefe's video has surfaced right as our conservative-majority legislature here in NC returns to session. They tried to pass a voter ID bill last year and it failed to muster enough votes to pass the Governor's veto, but they've vowed to try again and are using his video as "proof" on "how easy it is to illegally vote without an ID".

Except, no one has managed to come up with anything but individual isolated cases of illegal voting in NC. Every Republican legislator that has been asked for the numbers of voter fraud have failed to provide anything, but they all claim the Voter ID bill will prevent it from happening. Basically they want a law to stop a nonexistent crime; the few cases of illegal voting would have succeeded with a voter ID anyway, so what's the point?

Oh, right; the point is to make the chore of getting the ID so onerous to those without a driver's license (typically the very old or very poor, who happen to mostly vote Democratic) that they don't bother, and therefore can no longer vote at all.
 
2012-05-16 09:17:47 AM

karnal: Shrill The act of reaching high picthed sounds when in distress, getting excited, or just when being annoying. It can be used as a noun, verb, or anything else.


Thank you for catching that. I believe shill was meant.

A shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. Plant and stooge more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization (see double agent).
 
2012-05-16 09:18:17 AM
freakoutnation.com

That article had so much made-up information it should be classified a s published fiction.
 
2012-05-16 09:18:50 AM

Bendal: the point is to make the chore of getting the ID so onerous to those without a driver's license (typically the very old or very poor, who happen to mostly vote Democratic) that they don't bother, and therefore can no longer vote at all.


Pretty much, and then after these laws get passed they can move on to making the hours of DMV operations and their funding into a partisan issue along with fees for copies of birth certificates and social security cards.
 
2012-05-16 09:18:50 AM
Democrates cheat by bussing illegals and mentally handicapped people to voting booths.

Republicans cheat by defrauding eligible voters, throwing ballots into ditches, "finding" votes on lap tops, and ultimatley getting rulings from kangaroo courts.

But ya, farking illegal immigrants are the problem.
 
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