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2012-05-15 07:00:53 PM
If they want to go down kicking and screaming, I'd better pop some more popcorn.
 
2012-05-15 07:36:32 PM
Considering it was the DOJ Consent Agreement with the LAPD is the thing widely credited with cleaning up that Department after the riots and the Ramparts scandal; I'm all for them imposing on Seattle too, especially since


In December, a DOJ report found that one out of every five times an officer used force, it was used unconstitutionally.


So 20% of the time they interacted violently with citizens, they were committing a federal crime. That's RICO level lawbreaking.

and let's look at what the DOJ is asking for:

-Officers must use "disengagement and de-escalation techniques" to calm agitated suspects or call in specialized units to reduce the need for force, and only use force proportional to resistance used by suspects;
-Officers shall not use any weapon to strike someone in the head unless deadly force is authorized;
-All uses of force, including pointing a gun at someone, must be reported;
-No force can be used against someone who merely talks back to an officer;
-New reporting requirements for investigative stops of civilians, including duration of stop and perceived race of person stopped, to collect data to ensure bias-free policing.
-An expansion of the police department's crisis intervention teams;
-Policies to protect whistleblowers, with the presumed punishment for retaliation being firing;
-An expansion of the city's police-review board, the Office of Professional Accountability
 
2012-05-15 07:52:02 PM
Yeah - good luck getting all that. By the time the lawyers are done, it'll be down to, "Okay, TRY not to shoot anybody who doesn't at least use a curse word in front of you, okay?"
 
2012-05-15 11:33:11 PM
Hey now, you can't blame the police officers if members of the public insist on assaulting officers' night sticks with their faces!

:-/
 
2012-05-16 12:03:33 AM
Why am I not surprised.

This particular isolated incident happened about 3 blocks from my apartment (w/brain damaging video). The officer that was involved is still on the force.

SPD are farking thugs. Just google "Seattle police brutality" and see how much bullshiat comes up.
 
2012-05-16 01:08:57 AM

GleeUnit: Why am I not surprised.

This particular isolated incident happened about 3 blocks from my apartment (w/brain damaging video). The officer that was involved is still on the force.

SPD are farking thugs. Just google "Seattle police brutality" and see how much bullshiat comes up.


I have to cross over to Seattle from the eastside tomorrow. Not looking forward to it for several reasons. The SPD certainly don't help. I should be safe I guess, at least I'm not a woodcarver.
 
2012-05-16 01:25:21 AM
Seattle police object

Yeah well tough sh*t.

The Seattle police force has an embarassing legacy of brutality and racism. Someone up the food chain noticed, and now you're going to have to STFU and do what is recommended.
 
2012-05-16 01:25:23 AM

Magorn: In December, a DOJ report found that one out of every five times an officer used force, it was used unconstitutionally.

So 20% of the time they interacted violently with citizens, they were committing a federal crime. That's RICO level lawbreaking.


And yet they're only talking about a lawsuit, and not throwing people in jail for this.
 
2012-05-16 01:25:59 AM
I was getting some coffee on First Hill the other day and, aside from the hipster who frowned angrily at me when I waved him across the rotary after he tried to head-fake my car from the island, it was a very nice experience. I didn't think First Hill could have cleaned up that much, but it was much safer-feeling than Capitol Hill.

I wish the coffee shop would do something about the flies, though. That was not pleasant.

The Seattle police get dumped on a lot because of their supposed brutality, but we are so willing to overlook the 4 out of 5 times their violent interactions are justified.
 
2012-05-16 01:27:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: but we are so willing to overlook the 4 out of 5 times their violent interactions are justified.


derp
 
2012-05-16 01:28:04 AM

jack21221: Magorn: In December, a DOJ report found that one out of every five times an officer used force, it was used unconstitutionally.

So 20% of the time they interacted violently with citizens, they were committing a federal crime. That's RICO level lawbreaking.

And yet they're only talking about a lawsuit, and not throwing people in jail for this.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but believe that a federal suit doesn't rule out prosecuting POs
 
2012-05-16 01:28:17 AM
Jaywalk in Seattle? That's a beatdown. Kill a busker? Let them off easy, professional thug courtesy.
 
2012-05-16 01:28:18 AM
Throw a mandatory helmet cam on all patrol officers - offer up all feeds live to the public for their review.

/ Let little brother watch big brother...
 
2012-05-16 01:31:05 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah - good luck getting all that. By the time the lawyers are done, it'll be down to, "Okay, TRY not to shoot anybody who doesn't at least use a curse word in front of you, okay?"


This is the DoJ dealing with municipal police department. The lawyers aren't going to be able to do that. If the police department either refuses to enact the new policies or fails to enforce them the DoJ can in effect take over the police department. They've done it elsewhere for all sorts of issues.
 
2012-05-16 01:33:51 AM
Of course it'll be expensive. Let me lay it down this way. You take away the cop's justice rod, and he's going to feel inadequate because he now onliy has his real penis to go by. That will make him angrier and more likely to get violent with random douchey hipster. Douchey hipster's buddy holly glasses shatter, slicing the officer's hands and arms, now, on top of the inevitable lawsuit that comes from douchey hipster's equally douchey lawyer, you now also have to deal with the medical bills of small-penis cop.

/Expensive
 
2012-05-16 01:35:46 AM
Amen, whidbey.
 
2012-05-16 01:36:04 AM
Cop threads are some of the worst threads on Fark.
 
2012-05-16 01:36:17 AM
In December, a DOJ report found that one out of every five times an officer used force, it was used unconstitutionally.

Dude.

Dude.

I mean, come on.
 
2012-05-16 01:37:05 AM
FTFA: - No force can be used against someone who merely talks back to an officer;

[oh_wait_you're_serious.jpg]
 
2012-05-16 01:39:02 AM

GleeUnit: Why am I not surprised.

This particular isolated incident happened about 3 blocks from my apartment (w/brain damaging video). The officer that was involved is still on the force.

SPD are farking thugs. Just google "Seattle police brutality" and see how much bullshiat comes up.


Nevermind that the link you posted has nothing to do with Seattle police.
 
2012-05-16 01:39:27 AM

There you go again, Average.



Don't tase me, bro!!
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-16 01:41:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Seattle police get dumped on a lot because of their supposed brutality, but we are so willing to overlook the 4 out of 5 times their violent interactions are justified.


It should be 5 out of 5, and anything less is indefensible, cretin.
 
2012-05-16 01:42:21 AM
Oo! Oo! I have a good idea!

Let's take away the Tasers. Hell, let's take away all the "less-lethal" goodies the cops have gotten over the past couple of decades. Let's give the cops two--and ONLY TWO--options when dealing with "non-compliant" criminals like they used to:

1. Talk to them
2. Shoot them

Because somehow in the past ten or twenty years, Tasers have somehow become not a less-lethal alternative to killing someone, which is what they were originally intended to be and what they are designed to be, and become a tool of getting someone to comply with orders quicker and with less effort on the cops part--which they were NEVER MEANT TO DO.

Now I know some police maybe even right here on Fark may disagree with me; but I daresay my cop/liberal credentials are in good enough order for me to say this: Tasers were NEVER meant to be used to get ornery suspects to obey orders. They were invented as an alternative to GUNS--to give police a hopefully less deadly way to stop a wild charging criminal than having to kill him.

However, Tasers work so well at getting cranky civilians to STFU and get in the car, they're used whenever the cops don't feel like arguing with some argumentative drunk or biatchy gangbanger. The result is that Tasers get used like batons did back in the Olden Days, with similar results. Just because Tasers don't leave as many visible marks, it's taken a while to get people outraged about their overuse: People had to die from heart-related injures, mentally ill suspects had to get Tased 97 times in one arrest, etc. Tasers were supposed to be used instead of a bullet, not instead of five more minutes of discussion followed by some hands-on compliance techniques. Sorry, guys.

To reiterate: Take away the Tasers. Take away the high-pressure pepper-spray. Cops are mostly smart and well-trained: Make them have to think about what they're doing instead of reaching for 50,000 volts of "compliance". At least it won't be as easy anymore.
 
2012-05-16 01:46:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Seattle police get dumped on a lot because of their supposed brutality, but we are so willing to overlook the 4 out of 5 times their violent interactions are justified.


That's not the way it works. "Well, we only executed one innocent guy out of 5"
 
2012-05-16 01:46:36 AM
Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues
 
2012-05-16 01:48:04 AM

snarketyfarker: Amen, whidbey.


I miss Ballard. :\
 
2012-05-16 01:53:35 AM

Gyrfalcon:
1. Talk to them
2. Shoot them


3. Wood shampoo?
 
2012-05-16 01:54:24 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues


You know how I know you've never been to Denver?
 
2012-05-16 01:59:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: Oo! Oo! I have a good idea!

Let's take away the Tasers. Hell, let's take away all the "less-lethal" goodies the cops have gotten over the past couple of decades. Let's give the cops two--and ONLY TWO--options when dealing with "non-compliant" criminals like they used to:

1. Talk to them
2. Shoot them

Because somehow in the past ten or twenty years, Tasers have somehow become not a less-lethal alternative to killing someone, which is what they were originally intended to be and what they are designed to be, and become a tool of getting someone to comply with orders quicker and with less effort on the cops part--which they were NEVER MEANT TO DO.

Now I know some police maybe even right here on Fark may disagree with me; but I daresay my cop/liberal credentials are in good enough order for me to say this: Tasers were NEVER meant to be used to get ornery suspects to obey orders. They were invented as an alternative to GUNS--to give police a hopefully less deadly way to stop a wild charging criminal than having to kill him.

However, Tasers work so well at getting cranky civilians to STFU and get in the car, they're used whenever the cops don't feel like arguing with some argumentative drunk or biatchy gangbanger. The result is that Tasers get used like batons did back in the Olden Days, with similar results. Just because Tasers don't leave as many visible marks, it's taken a while to get people outraged about their overuse: People had to die from heart-related injures, mentally ill suspects had to get Tased 97 times in one arrest, etc. Tasers were supposed to be used instead of a bullet, not instead of five more minutes of discussion followed by some hands-on compliance techniques. Sorry, guys.

To reiterate: Take away the Tasers. Take away the high-pressure pepper-spray. Cops are mostly smart and well-trained: Make them have to think about what they're doing instead of reaching for 50,000 volts of "compliance". At least it won't be as easy anymore.


^This
 
2012-05-16 02:01:27 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues


Don't you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-05-16 02:02:21 AM
"Well, uh, tradition and blah blah and, we uh, can't afford nothing cause that's gonna be about" *reaches into doughnut creme impacted ass crack* " at least forty one million, deah annnuh, we, uh, hey f*ck you, we'll crack heads if we fell like it! Thin blue line! We can't live by the law AND enforce it! Watch yer assiz, deah, buddy!" Rotten assed kids going to their room and saying "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!" Lovely. I certainly feel l protected and safe. I mean, that's crap but so is all the malarkey reasoning in TFA.
 
2012-05-16 02:03:21 AM

Kyoki: Gyrfalcon:
1. Talk to them
2. Shoot them


3. Wood shampoo?


4. Condoms, Extra Small
 
2012-05-16 02:04:44 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention, if you are incapable of holding yourself to the rule of law you are hired to enforce, you are a Goddamned failure.

F A I L U R E .

Period.

And a hypocrite.
 
2012-05-16 02:04:56 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues


I live in just as Derp-Liberal Portland and we have issues, too. The DOJ has been coming after the PPB for a while now.

Always wondered: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?
 
2012-05-16 02:05:31 AM

Gyrfalcon: Cops are mostly smart and well-trained


hahaha
 
2012-05-16 02:06:22 AM

fusillade762: UCFRoadWarrior: Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues

I live in just as Derp-Liberal Portland and we have issues, too. The DOJ has been coming after the PPB for a while now.

Always wondered: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?


I just had a vision of an all-Clouseau police force.
 
2012-05-16 02:07:18 AM
I say mandatory life imprisonment in general population for convicted crooked cops.

That would put an end to this real quick.
 
2012-05-16 02:08:48 AM

fusillade762: Always wondered: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?


Sounds like a communist terr'ist plot. I'd tell Rush about it.
 
2012-05-16 02:09:38 AM

fusillade762: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?


Portland has a very high average education level.

Cops in most cities can't spell "bureau".
 
2012-05-16 02:11:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: fusillade762: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?

Portland has a very high average education level.

Cops in most cities can't spell "bureau".


What a Seattle Police Bureau may look like:

elitechoice.org

Does it look a little crooked to you?
 
2012-05-16 02:11:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: fusillade762: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?

Portland has a very high average education level.

Cops in most cities can't spell "bureau".


Not sure if trolling or just a really bad Dennis Miller parody.
 
2012-05-16 02:14:25 AM

Corporate Self: AverageAmericanGuy: fusillade762: why does Portland have a police "Bureau" while every other city seems to have a police "Department"?

Portland has a very high average education level.

Cops in most cities can't spell "bureau".

What a Seattle Police Bureau may look like:

[elitechoice.org image 600x603]

Does it look a little crooked to you?


Is that a Farbman dresser?

//Desperado
 
2012-05-16 02:15:26 AM
I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).
 
2012-05-16 02:16:45 AM

BeerGraduate: I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).


In Seattle?
 
2012-05-16 02:20:03 AM
rlv.zcache.co.uk
 
2012-05-16 02:21:32 AM

whidbey: BeerGraduate: I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).

In Seattle?


Not Seattle, the urban area of the state I reside.
 
2012-05-16 02:22:48 AM

BeerGraduate: whidbey: BeerGraduate: I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).

In Seattle?

Not Seattle, the urban area of the state I reside.


So probably not Washington, either.

Thanks, um, for your two cents.
 
2012-05-16 02:27:19 AM

whidbey: BeerGraduate: whidbey: BeerGraduate: I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).

In Seattle?

Not Seattle, the urban area of the state I reside.

So probably not Washington, either.

Thanks, um, for your two cents.


Yeah, not Washington. Just figured I would mention my stroll into police logic.
 
2012-05-16 02:27:35 AM

BeerGraduate: I've been cuffed, had my car illegally searched and thrown into the back of a squad car for "talking back" (a.k.a. answering the officers question) so I'm getting a kick (was getting a kick).


That's farked up.

A couple years back I was pulling out of the drive-thru at Jack in the Box in Issaquah at 3 in the morning. Heading down Gilman Blvd, I noticed a police car behind me. No problem, I thought, I'm not exceeding the limit or driving erratically. I had been at work until really late, though, and was really tired. Just trying to get home.

The cop tailed me until I reached the Taco Bell/KFC and all of a sudden night turns into blue-hued day and the cop is on the loudspeaker, "PULL OVER!".

I pull into the parking lot near Oil Can Henry (there's a drive-thru espresso stand there) and roll down my window.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"No, sir. Is something the matter?"
"Why are you out so late?"
"I just got off work and stopped at Jack to pick up a double bacon cheeseburger meal and spicy chicken sandwich."
"Your headlights were off. License and registration, please."
"Okay. This is a rental car, though."
"Your address says Issaquah. Why are you driving a rental car?"
"I just arrived back from Japan. I haven't bought a new car yet."
"Okay. Hold on."

He goes back to the patrol car and the spot light is pouring through the interior of my car. I can see fingerprints of someone else on my windshield and the police vehicle is invisible amidst the dazzling light.

The cop comes back and hands me the documentation.

"You need to be more careful. It's very late and it's difficult to see without your lights on."
"I'll definitely be more careful. Thanks."
"Have a good night, sir."
"You too."

Then he turned off the spotlight and drove away.

farking asshole pigs.
 
2012-05-16 02:28:32 AM

Kyoki: UCFRoadWarrior: Surprised that such a Derp-Liberal city like Seattle would have police brutality issues

You know how I know you've never been to Denver?


I doubt he's ever left his apartment.
 
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