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(McClatchy DC)   Quietly, the Republican Party embraces gays, adjusts stance   (mcclatchydc.com) divider line 271
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2012-05-15 04:57:18 PM
"Go on ....."
www.mnn.com
 
2012-05-15 05:25:08 PM
Good. Embrace civil rights for all.

Get rid of social politics as wedge issues. This will pretty much end the Religious Right as a political force. Good.

Then we can begin to have discussions and perhaps begin to move the nation forward, again.
 
2012-05-15 06:01:33 PM
I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO
 
2012-05-15 06:06:12 PM
 
2012-05-15 06:11:54 PM
A quiet transformation is taking place in the Republican Party, which has begun to embrace openly gay candidates - and among gay Republicans, who now feel more comfortable speaking out in a party that may have accepted them but didn't always show it.

Protip: They didn't accept you. They need to look like they accept you, for the moment, so they'll say they always accepted you. Kind of like the abusive lover who says, "I always loved you but I could never show it. Soooo, you'll forget the beatings, right? Bygones and all that." They'll be back to the tea party derp and open hatred of you as soon as they can.

Yeah. Good luck with that, you naïve assholes. Kreist - how thick can you get?
 
2012-05-15 06:12:58 PM
Twenty years from now, the story will be that the GOP were the ones working towards gay rights while The Libs stood in there way, just like the Civil Rights amendment.
 
2012-05-15 06:18:43 PM
Should be entertaining watching the Usual Suspects turn it around that they've always been for this, despite reams of quotations of invective and bile...
 
2012-05-15 06:20:09 PM
Here's an exclusive picture of the conference room where they held the meetings where they embraced the gays...

girlyourenotalone.com
 
2012-05-15 06:21:23 PM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


THIS^
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2012-05-15 06:32:18 PM
Let's face it. The GOP has only been against gay marriage because it will take the thrill out of their homosexual affairs.
 
2012-05-15 06:41:17 PM

Ed Finnerty: Let's face it. The GOP has only been against gay marriage because it will take the thrill out of their homosexual affairs.


To be fair, you ARE supposed to keep the worlds apart...
 
2012-05-15 06:46:01 PM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


Oh - and Muthafarkin' THIS
 
2012-05-15 06:48:16 PM
Don't fall for it, gay people

/they're just sucking up
 
2012-05-15 06:51:01 PM
Now that it matters to their election, they were for it all along. There isn't any media from the recent past where they said otherwise.
 
2012-05-15 06:51:04 PM
Yeah right. One of the most religious groups on the planet, who fervently believe their holy book tells them to hate, abuse and kill homosexuals, are going to embrace homosexuality and accept it.

That will happen right after the entire Saudi family abdicates, Norway becomes a Muslim theocracy, and China becomes the most open democratic country in the world.
 
2012-05-15 06:54:08 PM

GAT_00: Yeah right. One of the most religious groups on the planet, who fervently believe their holy book tells them to hate, abuse and kill homosexuals, are going to embrace homosexuality and accept it.


Hey, if the establishment GOP wants to run with the "we now like gays" thing, please don't get in the way of letting them. The infighting will be hilarious!
 
2012-05-15 07:03:18 PM
Well at least they aren't women on birth control.
 
2012-05-15 07:04:56 PM

quickdraw: Well at least they aren't women on birth control.


Bros before hos
 
2012-05-15 07:40:12 PM
Headline props. Yerk.
 
2012-05-15 07:45:33 PM
Grand Ole Poopshooters.
 
2012-05-15 07:45:52 PM
"No no no. You misunderstood. We've always been for the equality of LGBT individuals. The liberals are the REAL homophobes."

So how long until civil war erupts in the party?
 
2012-05-15 07:47:14 PM
I see it's only a "choice" if they are not Republicans.
 
2012-05-15 07:47:19 PM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.
 
2012-05-15 07:47:31 PM
Demographer: Wealthy Log Cabin Republicans are growing in numbers.

GOP: We support gays.... who are wealthy Republicans.
 
2012-05-15 07:47:40 PM
Quietly, the Republican Party embraces gays, adjusts stance

No, they don't. This just happened, less than 24 hours ago.
 
2012-05-15 07:48:19 PM
I'm not sure I'd say they're truly embracing gays. Opening up for gays maybe.

/lolgayjoke
 
2012-05-15 07:49:10 PM
So, if I get this right, someone else besides Shep Smith came out in favor of gay marriage?
 
2012-05-15 07:49:20 PM
Subby thinks republicans are embracing gay rights because they're supporting gay candidates? Next thing we'll see them come out in favor of easier immigration, same their lawn boy Miguel, and his sister Conchita who watches the kids.
 
2012-05-15 07:49:53 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


So, telling the theofascists to STFU and GTFO in the hope that our country, which is being run by Jesus to the detriment of all who doesn't follow HIM, is not enlightened. Gotcha.

//And I apologize for being racist for pointing out your racism.
 
2012-05-15 07:50:07 PM
Like I'm going to believe TFA.

And if you are gay yourself and supporting the Republican leadership you 're doing it wrong.
 
2012-05-15 07:51:13 PM

unlikely: Republicans embracing gays in Colorado


And in Virginia.
 
2012-05-15 07:51:29 PM
Floor-humping is every Republican's right!
 
2012-05-15 07:51:32 PM

whidbey: Like I'm going to believe TFA.

And if you are gay yourself and supporting the Republican leadership you 're doing it wrong.


Some like more than just a literal ass farking apparently.
 
2012-05-15 07:52:18 PM

coeyagi: stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

So, telling the theofascists to STFU and GTFO in the hope that our country, which is being run by Jesus to the detriment of all who doesn't follow HIM, is not enlightened. Gotcha.

//And I apologize for being racist for pointing out your racism.


I'd actually be okay with Jesus running our country. He was a pretty liberal guy. Republican Jesus, on the other hand, can suck my cock.

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www.willallenfarmer.org
 
2012-05-15 07:52:50 PM

Nadie_AZ: Good. Embrace civil rights for all.

Get rid of social politics as wedge issues. This will pretty much end the Religious Right as a political force. Good.

Then we can begin to have discussions and perhaps begin to move the nation forward, again.


Nah, you guys are still socialists.
 
2012-05-15 07:54:54 PM

WizardofToast: "No no no. You misunderstood. We've always been for the equality of LGBT individuals. The liberals are the REAL homophobes."

So how long until civil war erupts in the party?


CUT TO

Two good ol' boys lit by a flickering TV

PHIL: "Never thought on God's green Earth I'd ever hear myself say this, Jimmy, but I'll be doggoned if I ain't a liberal now."

JIMMY: "Yup."

(JIMMY clangs spittoon with a well-launched loog)
 
2012-05-15 07:57:01 PM
I can totally see Lindsey Graham being the Ron Jeremy of a GOP-themed gay porn.
 
2012-05-15 07:57:40 PM
Republicans will embrace "gayness" over "jesus-ness" when it is the more politically expedient thing to do. If they really dug on the JC, they would already be practicing tolerance and acceptance, right? Or, are both sides equally bad?
 
2012-05-15 07:58:32 PM
subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.
 
2012-05-15 07:59:05 PM
Pleas...piss..on..the..electric..fence!
 
2012-05-15 07:59:41 PM
I'm torn between hating bigots and being happy that the more they realize they need gay votes the less they'll hold gays back.

Ultimately I suppose the latter is worth more than the former.
 
2012-05-15 08:00:15 PM
Coming soon to Fox.... from Ryan Murphy, the creator of GLEE, comes GOPEE!

Filibuster via a Streisand marathon!

Jobs bills for construction workers, policemen, sailors and Native-Americans!

Judy Garland's birthday declared a national holiday!

National Debt paid off via opening sequin factories!
 
2012-05-15 08:00:45 PM
"'You'll elect at least one gay Republican for Congress this year,' Kolbe said."

My guess is that it will be much, much more than that...
 
2012-05-15 08:01:50 PM
I can't remember, what party sponsored the most recent anti gay marriage bill in NC?
 
2012-05-15 08:03:27 PM
Meanwhile, in FWD:>FWD:>FWD:>FWD:>-land....
 
2012-05-15 08:03:43 PM
Another thought - aren't all those Republican-pushed/funded/propagated/sponsored state constitutional amendments about gay marriage going to be a bit of an embarrassment on this now? Do they think no one will notice or remember?

Seems to me they've spent the last 70 years painting themselves into this corner, and it's not going to be that easy to get out of it.
 
2012-05-15 08:04:09 PM
FTFA A quiet transformation is taking place in the Republican Party, which has begun to embrace openly gay candidates - and among gay Republicans, who now feel more comfortable speaking out in a party that may have accepted them but didn't always show it.

No. They've never accepted them and they don't now. Minority portions of the GOP are finally coming out of the closet, but the rest are doubling down on the bigotry and hate. Conservative driven anti-gay laws are increasing, not decreasing and so is the rhetoric.

Call me when the mainstream GOP establishment punishes, or even criticizes, other members of the GOP for attacking gay rights.
 
2012-05-15 08:04:35 PM
Maybe the wealthy white people who run the party have started to realize they themselves are a minority, and that putting civil rights to a vote could backfire in a big way?
 
2012-05-15 08:05:04 PM

colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.


Nice to know that a discussion of civil rights is such an inconvenience to you.
 
2012-05-15 08:05:06 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


Fark the religious right, right in their bigoted ear. They have proven they are not deserving of respect. So fark them and fark you.
 
2012-05-15 08:06:35 PM

colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.


You need a hug? Maybe a vigorous buggering?
 
2012-05-15 08:08:00 PM

Ed Grubermann: colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.

You need a hug? Maybe a vigorous buggering?


He just needs a hand, underneath the toilet stall, at the Minneapolis airport.
 
2012-05-15 08:08:05 PM
Ok, gay rights will be the Democrats lynch pin to beating the Republicans and here's how:

Gay marriage is good for business. When gays are equal and able to do the things heteros can that helps the economy. Big business knows this and that's why many are pulling support for certain GOP candidates. You can cut taxes for the rich all you want but 1,000,000 gays can drive the economy more than 1 guy in the the 1%. Big business wants less regulations that restrict their profits but require certain regulations so that the government can shunt money and business to them (like government building infrastructure that directly benefits big business).

The tea party voters and tea party congress people, not the big business sting pullers, will not compromise on gay marriage. They hate gays. The GOP tent, minus the tea party, HAS to compromise on gay marriage if they want big business to continue to fund them. Problem is, those that vote in GOP primaries hate gays. Democrats can only benefit because the extreme tea party candidate wins the primary as we've been seeing.

TR:DL allowing gay marriage is like loosening business regulations.
 
2012-05-15 08:10:43 PM

stewmadness: How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


As a long-time bleeding heart libtard, allow me to be the first to say EABOD and DIAF, you sanctimonious chucklefark.
 
2012-05-15 08:10:58 PM
They might be pretending to in order to try and drum up votes, but otherwise, no they're not.

They're bigots. Whether it is against homosexuals, people of other ethnic backgrounds, people of other religions or no religion at all, science, women, and scores of other things. For as much as they really try to front like they're good people, they're not. They're a hateful bunch. I don't care much for the Democrats politics either, but at least they're not hateful and mean spirited.
 
2012-05-15 08:12:33 PM

coeyagi: Ed Grubermann: colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.

You need a hug? Maybe a vigorous buggering?

He just needs a hand, underneath the toilet stall, at the Minneapolis airport.


What was the hilarious line from long ago? "The men's restrooms at the Republican National Convention are going to sound like a sold-out performance of Riverdance."
 
2012-05-15 08:19:39 PM

theorellior: stewmadness: How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

As a long-time bleeding heart libtard, allow me to be the first to say EABOD and DIAF, you sanctimonious chucklefark.


Second!
 
2012-05-15 08:21:32 PM

theorellior: coeyagi: Ed Grubermann: colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.

You need a hug? Maybe a vigorous buggering?

He just needs a hand, underneath the toilet stall, at the Minneapolis airport.

What was the hilarious line from long ago? "The men's restrooms at the Republican National Convention are going to sound like a sold-out performance of Riverdance."


howyoulikememao.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-15 08:22:31 PM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


Dude, they're in the process of nominating non-'Christian' as we speak. How much more 'STFUandGTFO' do you really need at this point?

That's what this whole primary was about from the get-go.
 
2012-05-15 08:22:32 PM
you libs are so loony the republicans have been pro gay rights the entire time! they just had to put on the farce or the libs would attack, and they pulled the ol' switcharoo right when the election's coming up.
nefarious.
 
2012-05-15 08:23:55 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


Did you just try to beat down a position of timid optimism with reinforced hatred, under the veil of dubious enlightenment? I just want to make sure I am seeing what I am seeing.
 
2012-05-15 08:25:54 PM

falcon176: you libs are so loony the republicans have been pro gay rights the entire time! they just had to put on the farce or the libs would attack, and they pulled the ol' switcharoo right when the election's coming up.
nefarious.


Truly, their intellect is dizzying.
 
2012-05-15 08:26:01 PM
How do they make the change when they pandered to a constituency that sees homosexuals as from the devil, literally? Does god change his view on sin if it becomes politically expedient?
 
2012-05-15 08:28:23 PM
With helpful pic of what a gay republican might look like.

media.mcclatchydc.com
 
2012-05-15 08:28:56 PM
Like that ugly girl you're dating but don't want to introduce to your friends . . .
 
2012-05-15 08:30:39 PM

rudemix: How do they make the change when they pandered to a constituency that sees homosexuals as from the devil, literally? Does god change his view on sin if it becomes politically expedient?


1.bp.blogspot.com


PERHAPS?
 
2012-05-15 08:34:17 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


stew please make that a bumper sticker so I can have it... also I want to see... If you can read this you probably aren't a Republican.
 
2012-05-15 08:38:12 PM
Everything the democrats do is wrong!

Ah shiat, we're losing.

We're exactly the same as the democrats!
 
2012-05-15 08:38:23 PM
Hey, Republicans:

Fark off.

You are more than happy to send people to die for your farking monetary and political profit, yet you feel it is ok to boo them for being gay. If you guys claim to treat the military better than anyone else of any other political belief structure, then piss.the.fark.off.

Seriously.

3.bp.blogspot.com

Even Jesus hates you all.
 
2012-05-15 08:38:33 PM

colon_pow: subby broke our streak of 9 threads without a gay themed headline.


It's not FARK, it's FABULOUS...
 
2012-05-15 08:40:53 PM

Muta: With helpful pic of what a gay republican might look like.

[media.mcclatchydc.com image 495x275]


a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-05-15 08:46:51 PM
author dude, the guy republicans have running for president doesn't even support civil unions.
 
2012-05-15 08:51:10 PM
No thanks.

If I want to be embraced by pasty, white, flabby closeted guys I'd hit the baths.
 
2012-05-15 08:51:14 PM
Good. Maybe once these hatemongers get their marching orders from Murdoch and Ailes, the Republicans in my family will stop being so goddamn hateful.

With my luck, they'll start attacking atheists with new vigor and vim.
 
2012-05-15 08:52:04 PM
Why do liberals hate strong conservative gays?
 
2012-05-15 08:55:49 PM

RoxtarRyan: Hey, Republicans:

Fark off.

You are more than happy to send people to die for your farking monetary and political profit, yet you feel it is ok to boo them for being gay. If you guys claim to treat the military better than anyone else of any other political belief structure, then piss.the.fark.off.

Seriously.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x397]

Even Jesus hates you all.


I'm pretty sure that's a shoop of Jeebus.

pixels. many sizes, many colors.
 
2012-05-15 08:56:25 PM
Like f*ck.

I'll get my hammer and a box of nails and I will nail YOU GOP FREAKS ARE TRYING FOR THE 863RD TIME TO LIE TO OUR FACES on your f*cking slope foreheads.

Best part...

You won't be able to pull the nails out because they were forged in Hell.

Forever.
 
2012-05-15 08:57:53 PM

Smackledorfer: I'm torn between hating bigots and being happy that the more they realize they need gay votes the less they'll hold gays back.

Ultimately I suppose the latter is worth more than the former.


Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is still wrong. So I'll continue to hate bigots, the more so because they're also hypocrites.
 
2012-05-15 08:58:05 PM

Kittypie070: Like f*ck.

I'll get my hammer and a box of nails and I will nail YOU GOP FREAKS ARE TRYING FOR THE 863RD TIME TO LIE TO OUR FACES on your f*cking slope foreheads.

Best part...

You won't be able to pull the nails out because they were forged in Hell.

Forever.


Wow, um... Holy shiat, Kitty, you are unusually intense today.
 
2012-05-15 08:59:05 PM
I saw a graphic today, but I can't find it- can anyone help?

The top half had people protesting desegregation.

The bottom half had people protesting gay marriage.

It said something like "They will look really stupid in 50 years."

A little help?

/bats eyes
 
2012-05-15 09:00:12 PM
www.milkboys.org
Gay puppies for Jesus.
 
2012-05-15 09:03:36 PM
Palin, Steele, and now this.

The new race in WoW should have used old white men in blue business suits for the Pandaren character models.

/pander away!
 
2012-05-15 09:06:25 PM

unlikely: Republicans embracing gays in Colorado


To be clear on what happened there, some republicans supported the civil union bill, so the speaker (who is a republican against it) sent it to the Veterans Affairs committee, which was the only committee that the bill would have failed in... so he sent it to that committee and it got killed there because he didn't want it to actually get voted on by the full House. For Coloradans, it is both good and bad, the number of Republicans supporting the bill openly was encouraging... McNulty delayed the process, but with so many on both sides of the aisle supporting the civil unions bill, it's just a matter of time.
 
2012-05-15 09:06:32 PM

Grables'Daughter: I saw a graphic today, but I can't find it- can anyone help?

The top half had people protesting desegregation.

The bottom half had people protesting gay marriage.

It said something like "They will look really stupid in 50 years."

A little help?

/bats eyes


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-15 09:06:34 PM
Good. It was a stupid position for any national organization. It was a horrible, horrible position for the Republican party to adopt as a part of our "government of the people." I don't see how a 21st century company could survive with a "no queers allowed" sign on every door, let alone an organization that's part of our political process.
 
2012-05-15 09:06:55 PM

Headso: author dude, the guy republicans have running for president doesn't even support civil unions.


For the moment.
 
2012-05-15 09:07:03 PM
"The party overall has been more open to gays and lesbians," he said. "And gay and lesbian candidates have been more supported."

What wut?

Are you serious or just in a coma? Really?
 
2012-05-15 09:08:41 PM

Sgt Otter: Grables'Daughter: I saw a graphic today, but I can't find it- can anyone help?

The top half had people protesting desegregation.

The bottom half had people protesting gay marriage.

It said something like "They will look really stupid in 50 years."

A little help?

/bats eyes

[img.photobucket.com image 415x800]


Yay!

Thank you so much!

I love you!!!
 
2012-05-15 09:13:20 PM

Grables'Daughter: I love you!!!


Homo!
 
2012-05-15 09:13:36 PM

r1chard3: Why do liberals hate strong conservative gays?


Interesting, your injection of the word "strong". Why do you need to back your political leanings up with the word "strong"?

I have plenty of gay pals who happen to be conservatives, being "strong" in conjunction never comes up.

Words, they can be so very revealing.
 
2012-05-15 09:14:15 PM

MFAWG: Dude, they're in the process of nominating non-'Christian' as we speak. How much more 'STFUandGTFO' do you really need at this point?

That's what this whole primary was about from the get-go.


The worst primary turnout, a large portion hoping for Ron Paul, this Republican race has been a joke. Not to mention the lack of any big name proudly stand behind Romney.
 
2012-05-15 09:15:25 PM
Subby, the phrase is "coming out as gay" not "embracing the gays".
 
2012-05-15 09:17:29 PM
www.mindmachines.com

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH HOMOSEXUALS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS EMPLOYMENT. SURVEILLANCE IS PRIVACY.
 
2012-05-15 09:19:29 PM

r1chard3: Why do liberals hate strong conservative gays?


Because when you support the party that wants to be in my bedroom (still have anti-sodomy in the platform), wants to be in my church (anti-marriage), and in my doctors office (Surgeon General and DEA get to decide whats good for me, not my neurologist), you don't get to call yourself a "strong conservative." Get back to me when you actually support smaller government... Bush added 1.7 million government jobs and people call him a conservative, Obama cuts 600k government jobs and people call him a big government liberal.

imho, if you're actually a conservative, but you've aligned yourself with either party, you're just an idiot.... they both want bigger government, the question is one of whether they want to regulate everyday life, or corporate supergiants.
 
2012-05-15 09:20:39 PM

Sgt Otter: Grables'Daughter: I saw a graphic today, but I can't find it- can anyone help?

The top half had people protesting desegregation.

The bottom half had people protesting gay marriage.

It said something like "They will look really stupid in 50 years."

A little help?

/bats eyes

[img.photobucket.com image 415x800]


I had you favorited as "military guy" (as I do most of my fellow members/prior service members here on fark), but I think I'm gonna add "knows the pics".

Or something. I dunno, but regardless, kudos to you, sir.
 
2012-05-15 09:20:56 PM

gimmegimme: [www.mindmachines.com image 270x240]

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH HOMOSEXUALS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS EMPLOYMENT. SURVEILLANCE IS PRIVACY.


Enter stage left, Pigs on the Wing. What can I say?, it popped into my head as soon as I jelled with your nice post.
 
2012-05-15 09:21:09 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-15 09:23:15 PM

firefly212: imho, if you're actually a conservative, but you've aligned yourself with either party, you're just an idiot.... they both want bigger government, the question is one of whether they want to regulate everyday life, or corporate supergiants.


You don't need to be humble with that opinion. It speaks volumes.
 
2012-05-15 09:23:36 PM
i293.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-15 09:25:28 PM

gimmegimme: [www.mindmachines.com image 270x240]

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH HOMOSEXUALS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS EMPLOYMENT. SURVEILLANCE IS PRIVACY.


www.mindmachines.com


LONELINESS IS SEXINESS. ASSLESS CHAPS ARE ASSFUL CHAPINESS
 
2012-05-15 09:26:47 PM

firefly212: imho, if you're actually a conservative, but you've aligned yourself with either party, you're just an idiot.... they both want bigger government, the question is one of whether they want to regulate everyday life, or corporate supergiant


But you gave factual evidence that the current federal government, by payroll at least, has gotten smaller under a Democratic president and by all accounts is getting smaller still. Why not align yourself with that party? Just asking.

Disclaimer: Liberal Democrat
 
2012-05-15 09:27:08 PM

thamike: rudemix: How do they make the change when they pandered to a constituency that sees homosexuals as from the devil, literally? Does god change his view on sin if it becomes politically expedient?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 316x421]


PERHAPS?


Dude!,,, Word.
*smeeg bows
 
2012-05-15 09:29:13 PM

Boatmech: [i.imgur.com image 600x840]


That chick, lower right, I thought she was gay. Until I read the sign. WTF?
 
2012-05-15 09:29:48 PM
www.mindmachines.com
How many penises am I holding up?
 
2012-05-15 09:32:25 PM

Ed Grubermann: stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

Fark the religious right, right in their bigoted ear. They have proven they are not deserving of respect. So fark them and fark you.


I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote with Mr. Grubermann on this one. Actions have consequences; isn't what the proto-theocrats always "preach" to us? Respect has to be earned. Earned back, in this case, because back before the 1980s, Republicans were fuddy-duddies but at least worth listening to (at least the ones not contaminated by Tricky Dick or John Birch).
 
2012-05-15 09:32:39 PM
adjusts stance

for a more wide appeal.

/obvious
//yes, I saw it
 
2012-05-15 09:33:20 PM
A little bit later....

'Wait a sec....You mean we've ALL been gay this whole time?!? The whole damn party?!? Gawd this is so awkward!'
 
2012-05-15 09:34:52 PM

Sgt Otter: [img.photobucket.com image 415x800]


Why wait 40 years? They look pretty farking stupid right now.
 
2012-05-15 09:35:33 PM

Dahnkster: [www.mindmachines.com image 270x240]
How many penises am I holding up?


THERE. ARE. FOUR. PENISES!!!
 
2012-05-15 09:37:14 PM
A Dark Evil Omen 2012-05-15 08:58:05 PM


Kittypie070: Like f*ck.

I'll get my hammer and a box of nails and I will nail YOU GOP FREAKS ARE TRYING FOR THE 863RD TIME TO LIE TO OUR FACES on your f*cking slope foreheads.

Best part...

You won't be able to pull the nails out because they were forged in Hell.

Forever.


Wow, um... Holy shiat, Kitty, you are unusually intense today.


I am getting very very fed up with their unending line of shamelessly blatant and DELIBERATE lying crap.

They are closely and thoughtfully examining every possible approach they could take on any given issue, and they are deliberately and calculatedly choosing to engage in approaches that are simultaneously the most harmful, the most ignorant, the most traitorous to their oaths of office, the most Mammon-worshiping, and the most utterly divorced from actual observable reality.

And to increase the fury of the fire in the forges of Hell, they are claiming to be CHRISTIANS.
 
2012-05-15 09:38:36 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dahnkster: [www.mindmachines.com image 270x240]
How many penises am I holding up?

THERE. ARE. FOUR. PENISES!!!


sharetv.org
 
2012-05-15 09:38:49 PM
I don't care if it's calculated and cynical of the GOP to embrace gay rights. If manipulative self-interest brings us a better, more equal and tolerant world, fine by me.

//I'll be voting for progressive value politicians nonetheless, but I am thrilled that the morality brigade are losing influence.
 
2012-05-15 09:40:13 PM

smeegle: thamike: rudemix: How do they make the change when they pandered to a constituency that sees homosexuals as from the devil, literally? Does god change his view on sin if it becomes politically expedient?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 316x421]


PERHAPS?

Dude!,,, Word.
*smeeg bows


Yeah, dude, I mean, It used to be a sin to get divorced or eat fish on Friday. When they get afraid of the market share falling the priests retcon in some "unless you really want to"s and call it a day.
 
2012-05-15 09:41:25 PM

intelligent comment below: MFAWG: Dude, they're in the process of nominating non-'Christian' as we speak. How much more 'STFUandGTFO' do you really need at this point?

That's what this whole primary was about from the get-go.

The worst primary turnout, a large portion hoping for Ron Paul, this Republican race has been a joke. Not to mention the lack of any big name proudly stand behind Romney.


I don't think turnout was as low in the early going as some folks have led you to believe.

The TeaTards and Religious Right have been firmly put back in their place by the east coast establishment. The TeaTards were never anything but a puppet, but the Religious Right has been destroying the party for decades.
 
2012-05-15 09:45:48 PM

Kittypie070: A Dark Evil Omen 2012-05-15 08:58:05 PM


Kittypie070: Like f*ck.

I'll get my hammer and a box of nails and I will nail YOU GOP FREAKS ARE TRYING FOR THE 863RD TIME TO LIE TO OUR FACES on your f*cking slope foreheads.

Best part...

You won't be able to pull the nails out because they were forged in Hell.

Forever.

Wow, um... Holy shiat, Kitty, you are unusually intense today.

I am getting very very fed up with their unending line of shamelessly blatant and DELIBERATE lying crap.

They are closely and thoughtfully examining every possible approach they could take on any given issue, and they are deliberately and calculatedly choosing to engage in approaches that are simultaneously the most harmful, the most ignorant, the most traitorous to their oaths of office, the most Mammon-worshiping, and the most utterly divorced from actual observable reality.

And to increase the fury of the fire in the forges of Hell, they are claiming to be CHRISTIANS.


manvsdebt.com
 
2012-05-15 09:50:25 PM

actualhuman: smeegle: thamike: rudemix: How do they make the change when they pandered to a constituency that sees homosexuals as from the devil, literally? Does god change his view on sin if it becomes politically expedient?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 316x421]


PERHAPS?

Dude!,,, Word.
*smeeg bows

Yeah, dude, I mean, It used to be a sin to get divorced or eat fish on Friday. When they get afraid of the market share falling the priests retcon in some "unless you really want to"s and call it a day.


I'm pretty sure I got divorced on a Tuesday, so I guess I'm ok.
 
2012-05-15 09:52:01 PM

Nuclear Monk: A little bit later....

'Wait a sec....You mean we've ALL been gay this whole time?!? The whole damn party?!? Gawd this is so awkward!'


i.dailymail.co.ukwww.bluecheddar.netmedia.pennlive.compab58.files.wordpress.comblog.mlive.com

These people lack the moral fortitude, strength, and honor to be called gay. They're just assholes.
 
2012-05-15 09:53:42 PM

Delay: firefly212: imho, if you're actually a conservative, but you've aligned yourself with either party, you're just an idiot.... they both want bigger government, the question is one of whether they want to regulate everyday life, or corporate supergiant

But you gave factual evidence that the current federal government, by payroll at least, has gotten smaller under a Democratic president and by all accounts is getting smaller still. Why not align yourself with that party? Just asking.

Disclaimer: Liberal Democrat


I'm not a conservative... I'm a lefty, far more liberal than our current government. Though the dems do want a bigger (in the regulatory sense) government, I agree with many of the regulations they seek, and I like that they seem to do a decent job (as did Clinton) at making government be more efficient (do more with less)... Under Bush, we got a government that didn't really do any more than before, but somehow stacked on 1.7 million more government workers.
 
2012-05-15 10:05:05 PM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO



What more can be said? As long they hold sway and continue influencing elections, then the GOP has NOT embraced gays at all. They're just SAYING they do so they don't lose moderate voters.

Again, for the GOP it's what you say, not what you do.
 
2012-05-15 10:06:50 PM
Parts of the more conservative sides of the country are starting to realize that... just maybe... they've been wrong.

They are the minority, guarding their words to keep from being outed as sympathizers. In a sort of closet, if you will, about their position on LGBT.
 
2012-05-15 10:07:09 PM

firefly212: Under Bush, we got a government that didn't really do any more than before, but somehow stacked on 1.7 million more government workers.


I understand that is true. With the contractors it was even more. I would rather never go there again.

As a liberal, I hate large government. I want monopolies disbanded or regulated. But, again, as a liberal, I don't like the federal government hiring people to enlarge the civil service. What can be done?
 
2012-05-15 10:10:03 PM
Irony and Hypocrisy are reaching deadly levels.

The human mind can only take so much ...
 
2012-05-15 10:10:45 PM
Wrong pic, Boatmech.

This one.

wildforest.webs.com
 
2012-05-15 10:11:50 PM
Bullsh*t. They aren't embracing anything. They are finally smart enough to stop being so loudly bigoted during an election year.
 
2012-05-15 10:15:20 PM
Homosexuality is going to become to the Right what guns have become for the Left....by and large they just don't want to talk about it except for the fringers who are completely sure of they're re-electibilty or are just plain true believers in fighting the fight.
 
2012-05-15 10:16:59 PM

Delay: firefly212: Under Bush, we got a government that didn't really do any more than before, but somehow stacked on 1.7 million more government workers.

I understand that is true. With the contractors it was even more. I would rather never go there again.

As a liberal, I hate large government. I want monopolies disbanded or regulated. But, again, as a liberal, I don't like the federal government hiring people to enlarge the civil service. What can be done?


I think the key here is to not focus on big/small government or simply the size of it, but looking at the efficiency of it all. When I talk to my conservative friends, we all agree that we aren't getting what we pay for in terms of government. Where we differ is that their solution is to "starve the beast" by cutting government revenues to keep it under control, but my mindset is that a small inefficient government isn't any better than a large inefficient government, we're still getting ripped off. When I was working at a hospital consulting firm, we would frequently talk to people who didn't know what their job was, they would just show up and do their best every day. Many of them would have 5 or even 10 people who they would list as their "direct management"... we would meet with "supervisors" who had the responsibility for keeping billing departments running, but could not hire, fire, discipline, or authorize training hours for the people who "reported" to them. We would also meet with people who had the authority, but were so far removed from the day to day operations that they simply didn't know departments were short-staffed or under trained (some were even surprised to learn they had the authority to do things because nobody had ever told them they were responsible for a department). This is, by and large, the same as what I hear from my friends who work in government, they'll have quotas and management objectives from the guys right above them (based on their incentives) but the managers above them don't necessarily have the same incentives, so they'll get multiple directions within the same day or even in the same hour. The reality is that many times in government, just like in hospitals, or even in most of the larger corporations I've experienced, the people on the bottom rungs are hard working people doing their best and getting shat on all day long by totally ineffective and inefficient management. What I'd like to see is someone working on making direct chains of command, clear guidelines, and streamlining governement... not with the hyper-simplistic goal of "make it smaller" but with the equally simplistic "do it right" mentality.
 
2012-05-15 10:18:28 PM
How can someone who has been a legislator for 26 years be considered a "young gun"? I guess the average age of a Republican is a lot older than I thought.
 
2012-05-15 10:20:19 PM
I don't see how any gay person can call themselves a Republican these days. Like guns? Love moving to the left on the Laffer Curve? Think that tax cuts and trickle-down economics are the path to salvation? Awesome. None of that outweighs identifying yourself as a member of a political party that considers you a second-class citizen and uses who you are to frighten people into voting a certain way.

You don't have to vote Democratic, but for god's sake, have some self-respect and find a third party that considers you a human.

/Also looking at you, Hispanics.
 
2012-05-15 10:28:43 PM
It's going to be a very long time before we forget the sound of the Republican debate audience booing an active service Marine because he's gay.
 
2012-05-15 10:29:26 PM

firefly212: When I talk to my conservative friends, we all agree that we aren't getting what we pay for in terms of government.


Agreed. I live your post daily. Is there a way you could distill your take on the matter to something smaller? Something like this: I hate __ I want this__ to change. Sorry to be a bother.

Again, IMO you have a lot to add to this thread.
 
2012-05-15 10:32:11 PM

DrVoice: I don't see how any gay person can call themselves a Republican these days. Like guns? Love moving to the left on the Laffer Curve? Think that tax cuts and trickle-down economics are the path to salvation? Awesome. None of that outweighs identifying yourself as a member of a political party that considers you a second-class citizen and uses who you are to frighten people into voting a certain way.

You don't have to vote Democratic, but for god's sake, have some self-respect and find a third party that considers you a human.

/Also looking at you, Hispanics.



I knew a gay Republican. He was just filled with self hate. He hated anyone and everyone, had absolutely no self confidence. But he fit right in because Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate. He just conveniently ignored the hate gay part because usually it isn't top of the list.
 
2012-05-15 10:33:59 PM

firefly212: Delay: firefly212: Under Bush, we got a government that didn't really do any more than before, but somehow stacked on 1.7 million more government workers.

I understand that is true. With the contractors it was even more. I would rather never go there again.

As a liberal, I hate large government. I want monopolies disbanded or regulated. But, again, as a liberal, I don't like the federal government hiring people to enlarge the civil service. What can be done?

I think the key here is to not focus on big/small government or simply the size of it, but looking at the efficiency of it all. ... (An eternity of words pass)... but the managers above them d ...


Meth, it's one hell of a drug when you're on a keyboard.
 
2012-05-15 10:38:11 PM
 
2012-05-15 10:38:20 PM

intelligent comment below: I knew a gay Republican. He was just filled with self hate. He hated anyone and everyone, had absolutely no self confidence. But he fit right in because Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate. He just conveniently ignored the hate gay part because usually it isn't top of the list.


Sorry, but if you know a repub, chances are excellent you know a gay repub. Simple way to tell: ask if he's gay. If he laughs and says "Sure, whatever," he's not gay. If he gets extremely earnest and indignant and accuses you of gay-bashing, yeah, he is totally gay.
 
2012-05-15 10:39:02 PM
Michele Bachman has been embracing at least one homosexual for over 30 years.
static8.businessinsider.com
 
2012-05-15 10:41:23 PM

clambam: Sorry, but if you know a repub, chances are excellent you know a gay repub. Simple way to tell: ask if he's gay. If he laughs and says "Sure, whatever," he's not gay. If he gets extremely earnest and indignant and accuses you of gay-bashing, yeah, he is totally gay.


While funny and possibly true, I'm talking about a completely open gay male.
 
2012-05-15 10:42:09 PM
Holy SH*T Boatmech!! Where'd you find THAT??

It's too awesome for little ol' me :D
 
2012-05-15 10:43:23 PM

wildcardjack: Meth, it's one hell of a drug when you're on a keyboard.


I have been on Fark long enough to have seen remarkable changes when an individual Farker is engaged. As an example, I recall many instances when Weaver hated my posts when he was right wing.

I enjoy intellect, IMO there is no meth involved here.
 
2012-05-15 10:43:49 PM
Naturally! Gays and republicans both share a hatred of the vay jay jay.
 
2012-05-15 10:44:36 PM

The Why Not Guy: It's going to be a very long time before we forget the sound of the Republican debate audience booing an active service Marine because he's gay.


And let us not forget the candidates doing nothing about it. Amoral scumbags.
 
2012-05-15 10:46:55 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

FTFA: "I think a lot of Republicans are starting to play catch-up," said R. Clarke Cooper, the executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, a gay rights group.

The future is tapping them on the back.
 
2012-05-15 10:47:00 PM

TV's Vinnie: Naturally! Gays and republicans both share a hatred of the vay jay jay.


Really? It's my understanding that lesbians are quite fond if it.
 
2012-05-15 10:47:02 PM

LincolnLogolas: Michele Bachman has been embracing at least one homosexual for over 30 years.
[static8.businessinsider.com image 400x300]


Good Christ! Marcus is so flaming you can see him from the Andromeda galaxy!
 
2012-05-15 10:48:23 PM

Kittypie070: Holy SH*T Boatmech!! Where'd you find THAT??

It's too awesome for little ol' me :D


GIS evil cat
/should be a gif but it's just showing a jpg for me.

Damn it - Gif is not gifing!
 
2012-05-15 10:54:58 PM

DrVoice: I don't see how any gay person can call themselves a Republican these days. Like guns? Love moving to the left on the Laffer Curve? Think that tax cuts and trickle-down economics are the path to salvation? Awesome. None of that outweighs identifying yourself as a member of a political party that considers you a second-class citizen and uses who you are to frighten people into voting a certain way.

You don't have to vote Democratic, but for god's sake, have some self-respect and find a third party that considers you a human.

/Also looking at you, Hispanics.

And women.

/And Blacks

// And everyone else.
 
2012-05-15 10:59:50 PM
http://rim.jobs/GOP

//prolly a 404, but not necessarily
 
2012-05-15 11:01:22 PM
If I may speculate for but a moment here, I think the future can make itself visible to us. Just a few decades hence, here is the line we will know to be true.

"Of course it had always been the republican position that all are deserving of equal rights. I will grant that there were a few republicans who felt otherwise, but let us not forget all the democrat liberals who tried to divide the nation under the guise of righteousness. They played up the conservative opposition and slowed the process down for all. If not for this meddling, marriage would have long been available to all.
 
2012-05-15 11:20:53 PM
Good. But I'm not buying in until they start pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and tell the religious zealots to back off.

/All we really have to do is wait; young people don't mind if gays are equal.
 
2012-05-15 11:21:36 PM
img.chan4chan.com
 
2012-05-15 11:22:00 PM
Boatmech 2012-05-15 10:48:23 PM

Kittypie070: Holy SH*T Boatmech!! Where'd you find THAT??

It's too awesome for little ol' me :D


GIS evil cat
/should be a gif but it's just showing a jpg for me.

Damn it - Gif is not gifing!


Thanks!!

Just pop it on your HD and crank it open in Windoze Pix & Fax Viewer, if you have that.

It's really cool.
 
2012-05-15 11:26:54 PM

asimplescribe: Good. But I'm not buying in until they start pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and tell the religious zealots to back off.

/All we really have to do is wait; young people don't mind if gays are equal.


Equality shouldn't have to wait for a demographic shift.
 
2012-05-15 11:27:36 PM

spongeboob: asimplescribe: Good. But I'm not buying in until they start pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and tell the religious zealots to back off.

/All we really have to do is wait; young people don't mind if gays are equal.

Equality shouldn't have to wait for a demographic shift.


It shouldn't but it always does. Humans are dicks.
 
2012-05-15 11:29:06 PM

Kittypie070: Holy SH*T Boatmech!! Where'd you find THAT??

It's too awesome for little ol' me :D


That's how I usually imagine you by Fridays, Kitty. Only with flatter ears and a fluffier tail.

[tosses salmon to Hell-beast Kittypie, backs away slowly]
 
2012-05-15 11:33:38 PM
A day late, a dollar short, and a decibel quiet.
 
2012-05-15 11:35:15 PM

theropod: A day late, a dollar short, and a decibel quiet.


And slightly insincere?
 
2012-05-15 11:35:26 PM

Sabyen91: spongeboob: asimplescribe: Good. But I'm not buying in until they start pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and tell the religious zealots to back off.

/All we really have to do is wait; young people don't mind if gays are equal.

Equality shouldn't have to wait for a demographic shift.

It shouldn't but it always does. Humans are dicks.


It's not that we're dicks, it's that our value and belief systems aren't very malleable, so changes to value systems take generations.
 
2012-05-15 11:36:29 PM
WAAAAHHHH!!!!! Sabyen's kitty SCARED MEEEEE

if I pet it will it feel better....??

or will it eat my arm off and beat me with it
 
2012-05-15 11:37:40 PM
thamike: WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH HOMOSEXUALS. UNEMPLOYMENT IS EMPLOYMENT. SURVEILLANCE IS PRIVACY.

[www.mindmachines.com image 270x240]


LONELINESS IS SEXINESS. ASSLESS CHAPS ARE ASSFUL CHAPINESS

All chaps are "assless". Never understood that phrase.
 
2012-05-15 11:38:14 PM

Lexx: Sabyen91: spongeboob: asimplescribe: Good. But I'm not buying in until they start pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and tell the religious zealots to back off.

/All we really have to do is wait; young people don't mind if gays are equal.

Equality shouldn't have to wait for a demographic shift.

It shouldn't but it always does. Humans are dicks.

It's not that we're dicks, it's that our value and belief systems aren't very malleable, so changes to value systems take generations.


Perhaps it is worth a deep discussion of the psyche of the human race but in the end it will always come down to humans being dicks.
 
2012-05-15 11:40:12 PM

Kittypie070: WAAAAHHHH!!!!! Sabyen's kitty SCARED MEEEEE

if I pet it will it feel better....??

or will it eat my arm off and beat me with it


It is really laid back. The blood red eyes are just a stigma caused by drinking the blood bad people.
 
2012-05-15 11:42:29 PM
It isn't that humans are dicks, it's that so many people are just really really bad parents.
 
2012-05-15 11:43:02 PM
Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.
 
2012-05-15 11:43:13 PM

intelligent comment below: It isn't that humans are dicks, it's that so many people are just really really bad parents.


Still dicks. :)
 
2012-05-15 11:45:11 PM

rynthetyn: Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.


The reaction of the Log Cabin Republicans to Obama's proclamation is so incredibly insane and partisan. Bunch of nutbags.
 
2012-05-15 11:45:46 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


Stew, the rest of are not hippies. If you wish to still be one, go ahead, but don't complain when folks ask you to bathe.
 
2012-05-15 11:49:00 PM

Pootums: stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

Stew, the rest of are not hippies. If you wish to still be one, go ahead, but don't complain when folks ask you to bathe.


Uh uh, baths are not in the Constitution.
 
2012-05-15 11:49:15 PM
Boatmech, whar awesomecat go? :(
 
2012-05-15 11:57:26 PM

The Why Not Guy: It's going to be a very long time before we forget the sound of the Republican debate audience booing an active service Marine because he's gay.


Um, you do realize your talking about Americans right? Average voter with the attention span of a goldfish? That, and a lot of Republican voters would agree with the booing. They get all screamy about SUPPORT OUR TROOPS until some of the troops turn out to be gay.
 
2012-05-15 11:57:56 PM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.

The reaction of the Log Cabin Republicans to Obama's proclamation is so incredibly insane and partisan. Bunch of nutbags.


The Log Cabin Republicans serve no other purpose than to provide cover for GOP bigotry.
 
2012-05-15 11:58:59 PM

WorldCitizen: The Why Not Guy: It's going to be a very long time before we forget the sound of the Republican debate audience booing an active service Marine because he's gay.

Um, you do realize your talking about Americans right? Average voter with the attention span of a goldfish? That, and a lot of Republican voters would agree with the booing. They get all screamy about SUPPORT OUR TROOPS until some of the troops turn out to be gay.


YouTube means that it's going to be impossible for them to rewrite history though.
 
2012-05-16 12:01:39 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.

The reaction of the Log Cabin Republicans to Obama's proclamation is so incredibly insane and partisan. Bunch of nutbags.

The Log Cabin Republicans serve no other purpose than to provide cover for GOP bigotry.


So they are pretty much taking it in the ass...
 
2012-05-16 12:08:02 AM

WorldCitizen: Um, you do realize your talking about Americans right? Average voter with the attention span of a goldfish? That, and a lot of Republican voters would agree with the booing. They get all screamy about SUPPORT OUR TROOPS until some of the troops turn out to be gay.


I know exactly what I'm talking about even if you don't seem to. The topic is the GOP rewriting history so that they were always cool with the gays. I'm saying there's too much evidence to the contrary out there.
 
2012-05-16 12:10:54 AM
rynthetyn 2012-05-15 11:57:56 PM


The Log Cabin Republicans serve no other purpose than to provide cover for GOP bigotry.

A fig leaf, perhaps?
 
2012-05-16 12:11:08 AM

Kittypie070: Like f*ck.

I'll get my hammer and a box of nails and I will nail YOU GOP FREAKS ARE TRYING FOR THE 863RD TIME TO LIE TO OUR FACES on your f*cking slope foreheads.

Best part...

You won't be able to pull the nails out because they were forged in Hell.

Forever.


863rd? I think you accidentally a few zeroes.
 
2012-05-16 12:12:39 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.

The reaction of the Log Cabin Republicans to Obama's proclamation is so incredibly insane and partisan. Bunch of nutbags.

The Log Cabin Republicans serve no other purpose than to provide cover for GOP bigotry.


They failed today in VA, Republicans confirmed 32 of 33 judicial nominees, the one guy they didn't confirm was gay... he's been a prosecutor for 12 years and not a single bad mark on his record, but he's gay, and that's not ok with them.
 
2012-05-16 12:14:05 AM

Kittypie070: Boatmech, whar awesomecat go? :(


Sorry, got lost in GIS land


Damn it - Gif is not gifing!
Thanks!!
Just pop it on your HD and crank it open in
Windoze Pix & Fax Viewer, if you have that.
It's really cool.


joshreads.com
`
Nope - Fone Farking
 
2012-05-16 12:17:18 AM

firefly212: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Get back to me when the RPOF State Committeeman and his wife who stalked me across the Internet to "prove" that I was a "radical gay activist" who "hates heterosexuals and Christians" because I objected to the idea of sending kids to school to bully their gay classmates in the name God apologize to me for their shenanigans.

The GOP isn't any more gay friendly than they've ever been, they only like their gays if they're quiet and go along with their bigoted agenda, or at very least don't object to it. The second you utter a peep against their anti-gay policies, you're a persona non grata radical activist trying to advance the Gay Agenda and to recruit children.

The reaction of the Log Cabin Republicans to Obama's proclamation is so incredibly insane and partisan. Bunch of nutbags.

The Log Cabin Republicans serve no other purpose than to provide cover for GOP bigotry.

They failed today in VA, Republicans confirmed 32 of 33 judicial nominees, the one guy they didn't confirm was gay... he's been a prosecutor for 12 years and not a single bad mark on his record, but he's gay, and that's not ok with them.


So pathetic. But oh, we're supposed to believe that the GOP is changing their position on gay rights.
 
2012-05-16 12:19:32 AM
When President Obama "came out" in support of marriage equality, I wondered how the GOP (particularly Mitt Romney) would respond. If they agree with the President, that's betrayal to the base. If they stay the course against gay marriage, they risk alienating independents who favor marriage equality by a comfortable margin. What to do, what to do.

I'm actually thrilled to see a significant number of them trying to rewrite history (or, like Elisabeth the Conservative on the View, try to act like the President and Mitt Romney have identical views on the issue). Thrilled because a. it won't fool anyone and b. it shows just how precious GOP "values" are that they can be discarded over the course of a week and c. it's still betrayal to the base.
 
2012-05-16 12:21:15 AM
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Boatmech 2012-05-16 12:14:05 AM

Kittypie070: Boatmech, whar awesomecat go? :(

Sorry, got lost in GIS land


That's OK. I went hunting too and couldn't find him. Oh wells. :)
 
2012-05-16 12:21:26 AM

The Why Not Guy: WorldCitizen: Um, you do realize your talking about Americans right? Average voter with the attention span of a goldfish? That, and a lot of Republican voters would agree with the booing. They get all screamy about SUPPORT OUR TROOPS until some of the troops turn out to be gay.

I know exactly what I'm talking about even if you don't seem to. The topic is the GOP rewriting history so that they were always cool with the gays. I'm saying there's too much evidence to the contrary out there.


In general yes. To their base of voters, facts and evidence don't matter AT ALL. The Truth is whatever they are being told is the Truth today. Ideology and facts do not necessarily go hand in hand. Ideology is GREAT at rewriting its history no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary. There are many people paid a great deal of money to convince people that things happened as X even if there is clear evidence they happened as Y. And a great many people will then perceive that in history X was true. Not everyone, of course.

Yes, history will probably do a pretty good job of recording their current stands and not letting them get by with disowning it. If history keeps going in a relatively progressive track and their types of people aren't the "victors" getting to rewrite history.

But in the shorter term, to a very large percentage of American voters, it won't matter. American voters aren't known for their well researched voting habits or their voting based on long term memory.
 
2012-05-16 12:25:33 AM

WorldCitizen: blah blah blah


Well then, bring it on and give it your best shot. A lot of us are ready.
 
2012-05-16 12:32:55 AM

Sabyen91: Pootums: stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

Stew, the rest of are not hippies. If you wish to still be one, go ahead, but don't complain when folks ask you to bathe.

Uh uh, baths are not in the Constitution.


Darnit, the interweb DOES need a sarcasti-font.
 
2012-05-16 12:38:50 AM

Boatmech: Kittypie070: Boatmech, whar awesomecat go? :(

Sorry, got lost in GIS land


Damn it - Gif is not gifing!
Thanks!!
Just pop it on your HD and crank it open in
Windoze Pix & Fax Viewer, if you have that.
It's really cool.


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Nope - Fone Farking


Bet you got lost right at this pic:

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2012-05-16 12:50:03 AM
I can't wait to get old and be a bigot. I'm sure in 60 years I'll be screaming at my grand kids that traditional marriage has always been between a human and a human. Human-Robot sex is an abomination, but now they want to marry our daughters?

Don't you know that the average Sirius cybernetics pelvic thrusting unit can generate enough force to crush human bones?
 
2012-05-16 01:00:57 AM
It's OK to be gay, and it's OK to be conservative, but if you are gay, and a conservative Republican party, you are like a Jew in the KKK. You are furthering the ideals of an organization that would never ever allow you to hold significant office among their ranks.
 
2012-05-16 01:37:03 AM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


QFE
 
2012-05-16 01:49:56 AM
Funny, the two republicans that I personally know from North Carolina that are OK with same sex marriage didn't even go out to vote but one of them is sure vocal that she thinks it's an OK thing.

I also know a woman that told me privately that she was not for same sex marriage yet when she gets with a group that is, she is vocal for it....and she is married and has children with a black man.

Hypocrites come in both parties.
 
2012-05-16 01:57:05 AM
I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

It has been decades since the GOP was in any position to order the Religious Right around. They're not some fringe wing of the Republican Party. They are the Republican Party.

Now before our so-called moderate Republicans get all offended by what I just said, prove me wrong. Show me something the Republican Party has done in the last, say, five years that indicates the moderates are in charge.

I'll wait.
 
2012-05-16 02:01:43 AM
More like, if you are quietly voting for the Republicans this November, you are quietly an asshole.
 
2012-05-16 02:02:18 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Funny, the two republicans that I personally know from North Carolina that are OK with same sex marriage didn't even go out to vote but one of them is sure vocal that she thinks it's an OK thing.


Regardless of how vocal she may be, when she had the opportunity to actually do something instead of just talking about it, she didn't.
 
2012-05-16 02:05:55 AM
If you are gay and voting republican than I have some bad news. You are a gay uncle tom or at the very least, a self-loathing gay.
 
2012-05-16 02:08:03 AM

The Why Not Guy: Bigdogdaddy: Funny, the two republicans that I personally know from North Carolina that are OK with same sex marriage didn't even go out to vote but one of them is sure vocal that she thinks it's an OK thing.

Regardless of how vocal she may be, when she had the opportunity to actually do something instead of just talking about it, she didn't.


And that's my point. She won't vote anyway. Even though I have an issue with some people's beliefs, I have much more respect for those that actually go out and vote, even if it goes against the way I voted. The ones that won't and then act all haughty about everyone else's decision piss me off.

The only way to actually find out how the entire country feel about any issue or president is make it a requirement to vote, but that won't ever happen.
 
2012-05-16 02:10:09 AM

ordinarysteve: If you are gay and voting republican than I have some bad news. You are a gay uncle tom or at the very least, a self-loathing gay.


Now now, they COULD just be morons.
 
2012-05-16 02:12:36 AM

ordinarysteve: If you are gay and voting republican than I have some bad news. You are a gay uncle tom or at the very least, a self-loathing gay.


Also, I don't want to hear one peep out of you about lack of equality because you are actively voting to discriminate against yourself.
 
2012-05-16 02:21:14 AM
"I don't agree with the party platform, but that doesn't mean I'm not a good Republican," Tisei said.

Can someone explain to me how that sentence makes sense?
 
2012-05-16 02:30:06 AM
Is this the narrative they're trying to put forth on this?

Sure, we love gays!

We just don't want them to have equal rights.
 
2012-05-16 02:34:57 AM

downpaymentblues: "I don't agree with the party platform, but that doesn't mean I'm not a good Republican," Tisei said.

Can someone explain to me how that sentence makes sense?


Because he, like many other idiot Republican holdouts, believe that somehow the Party of Derp is going to purge all the crazies and suddenly everything's going to be MODERATE again.

It's f*cking pathetic.
 
2012-05-16 02:35:55 AM
That's quite the wide stance they're taking.
 
2012-05-16 02:39:04 AM

Sabyen91: [img.chan4chan.com image 500x375]


What the fark is that?
 
2012-05-16 02:44:47 AM

Leishu: Is this the narrative they're trying to put forth on this?

Sure, we love gays!

We just don't want them to have equal rights.


Love the sinner, hate the sin. Or something like that.
 
2012-05-16 02:51:32 AM

quatchi: [i293.photobucket.com image 640x555]


i293.photobucket.com

That's an interesting graph. Basically, as soon as Obama became president, support for gay marriage has increased more than its ever increased before, and continues to this day.

That generational shift has kicked into overdrive. The remaining GOP dinosaurs- Archie Bunker-style bigots fixed forever in their ways- are dropping like flys, and we, Gen X and Y, are taking over the reigns of power before their very eyes.
 
2012-05-16 03:28:03 AM
Actions, not words
 
2012-05-16 03:34:12 AM
I'll believe this when they nominate a guy whose Presidential platform doesn't have about 10 planks of anti-gay discrimination. And when they don't push constitutional amendments like North Carolina's Amendment 1 at the state level, or push bans on things like gay adoption. Policy matters, and the Republican Party is perfectly happy to endorse or go along with anti-gay policy because they consider it politically advantageous. It doesn't matter if they socialize with gays or think they're nice. If they had a pro-gay stance it would start showing up as controversy within their ranks about their anti-gay policies. And that hasn't happened.

The Republican Party is not moderating at the base level: it's becoming more extreme on cultural issues. This is a year where any incumbent who has not had a 100% Tea Party approved stance is facing primary challengers, regardless of seniority or the benefit of them running as an incumbent. Even Orrin Hatch is fighting a primary for the first time since the 70s. Why, I'm not sure. My speculation is that he's had a target on his back ever since he refused to get hysterical about the Several Blocks Away From Ground Zero Mosque. Culture wars.

The issue with the Republican Party is not that there aren't urban, educated Republicans who are comfortable with the gays, particularly younger people, or businesspeople because the business world loves rich gays, or non-evangelical women. It's that the Republican Party is demographically and regionally skewed in a way that makes it an anti-gay party. It's financially and electorally dependent on people who think that it's necessary and appropriate to legislate discrimination against gays. Geography and demography will continue to be destiny for the GOP until the Southern Baptist Convention starts working on their Pride parade floats.
 
2012-05-16 03:48:55 AM

bobbette: Geography and demography will continue to be destiny for the GOP until the Southern Baptist Convention starts working on their Pride parade floats.


Considering that the Southern Baptist Convention didn't officially repudiate and apologize their pro-slavery stance from the Civil War until 2009, I give it until about 2170 until the Southern Baptists start breaking out the rainbow bunting.
 
2012-05-16 05:16:30 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Funny, the two republicans that I personally know from North Carolina that are OK with same sex marriage didn't even go out to vote but one of them is sure vocal that she thinks it's an OK thing.

I also know a woman that told me privately that she was not for same sex marriage yet when she gets with a group that is, she is vocal for it....and she is married and has children with a black man.

Hypocrites come in both parties.


This is what makes this such a risky move for Obama.

This is an issue that polls higher than it gets votes out for.

And the "comfortable margin" someone was asserting up thread is actually about 47% Pro-43% Anti.

It's really a coin toss.
 
2012-05-16 05:20:34 AM

Goodfella: That's an interesting graph. Basically, as soon as Obama became president, support for gay marriage has increased more than its ever increased before, and continues to this day.

That generational shift has kicked into overdrive. The remaining GOP dinosaurs- Archie Bunker-style bigots fixed forever in their ways- are dropping like flys, and we, Gen X and Y, are taking over the reigns of power before their very eyes.


Yuppo, moral evolution in action, visible to the naked eye.

It's a beautiful thing.

People who are finding this election season boring aren't really paying attention.
 
2012-05-16 06:45:18 AM

quatchi: And the "comfortable margin" someone was asserting up thread is actually about 47% Pro-43% Anti


I said it enjoys a comfortable margin of support among independents at 57% pro.
 
2012-05-16 06:49:18 AM
Sure, they do... as long as they accept their status as second class citizens.
 
2012-05-16 07:28:24 AM
And just like I said of Obama: way too little, way too late.

Stupid politicians. They stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, say "let's go that way!", then pat themselves on their backs for their 'leadership'.
 
2012-05-16 07:37:07 AM

Lernaeus: And just like I said of Obama: way too little, way too late.


What was way too little way too late "of Obama?" Or do you just like the rhythm of the phrase?
 
2012-05-16 08:03:34 AM

keylock71: Sure, they do... as long as they accept their status as second class citizens.


Same way they did with women voters...
 
2012-05-16 08:17:44 AM

bdub77: I can't remember, what party sponsored the most recent anti gay marriage bill in NC?


I can't remember, what party sponsored the most recent anti gay marriage bill in NC?

I can't remember, what party sponsored the most recent anti gay marriage bill in NC?
 
2012-05-16 08:40:24 AM

The Why Not Guy: quatchi: And the "comfortable margin" someone was asserting up thread is actually about 47% Pro-43% Anti

I said it enjoys a comfortable margin of support among independents at 57% pro.


Ah, sorry missed that part. Just trying to counter the new narrative by some people that this was just Obama cynically shifting with the political winds with a no-brainer vote-getter here by pointing out the fact that national levels of support for gay marriage while in the plus column have only gotten there recently and traditionally this issue has done a lot better in the polls than the voting booth.

Lernaeus: And just like I said of Obama: way too little, way too late.

Stupid politicians. They stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, say "let's go that way!", then pat themselves on their backs for their 'leadership'.


People like this, mostly.
 
2012-05-16 09:25:58 AM

Muta: With helpful pic of what a gay republican might look like.

[media.mcclatchydc.com image 495x275]


I think they just mean gay in the "happy" sense.
 
2012-05-16 09:27:52 AM

quatchi: [i293.photobucket.com image 640x555]


very phallic chart
 
2012-05-16 09:37:14 AM

hubiestubert: Ed Finnerty: Let's face it. The GOP has only been against gay marriage because it will take the thrill out of their homosexual affairs.

To be fair, you ARE supposed to keep the worlds apart...


Yeah. Never EVER cross the streams.
 
2012-05-16 09:52:10 AM

intelligent comment below: DrVoice: I don't see how any gay person can call themselves a Republican these days. Like guns? Love moving to the left on the Laffer Curve? Think that tax cuts and trickle-down economics are the path to salvation? Awesome. None of that outweighs identifying yourself as a member of a political party that considers you a second-class citizen and uses who you are to frighten people into voting a certain way.

You don't have to vote Democratic, but for god's sake, have some self-respect and find a third party that considers you a human.

/Also looking at you, Hispanics.


I knew a gay Republican. He was just filled with self hate. He hated anyone and everyone, had absolutely no self confidence. But he fit right in because Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate. He just conveniently ignored the hate gay part because usually it isn't top of the list.


Stereotypes are fun!

Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.
 
2012-05-16 09:55:41 AM

bdub77: Headso: author dude, the guy republicans have running for president doesn't even support civil unions.

For the moment.


As someone from MN we would say "wait five minutes".

That's a weather joke for those who have more interesting things going on in their home state.
 
2012-05-16 09:57:32 AM

Wait... they may finally be getting a clue?

You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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carryabigsticker.com


Goodfella: That generational shift has kicked into overdrive. The remaining GOP dinosaurs- Archie Bunker-style bigots fixed forever in their ways- are dropping like flys, and we, Gen X and Y, are taking over the reigns of power before their very eyes.


Actually, it's only about half due to the generational shift. The trend is about equally due to the 10% difference in acceptance per decade of birth cohort and 1% per year shift within cohorts.
 
2012-05-16 10:10:20 AM
What a gay republican Jason Segel looks like.

media.mcclatchydc.com
 
2012-05-16 10:27:10 AM

Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO


This. I might even re-join the party.
 
2012-05-16 10:45:52 AM
Republicans say they're for all the hot-button things the majority want, in an election year?

i301.photobucket.com

Sorry. What I meant to say is...

i301.photobucket.com

We're talking about the same party that, in 1995, said they'd have a balanced budget in 2002 while still giving tax cuts to the mega-wealthy. The only people that still believe them are the kinds of people that still take back a cheating partner that still keeps lying to them. It's the only explanation: they have no spine or self esteem.

Kick them to the f***ing kerb, already.
 
2012-05-16 11:09:31 AM

Jjaro: Stereotypes are fun!

Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.



Stereotypes? I gave an example of some people I have come across in my travels. I never said ALL Republicans were like this, just that this type of person does exist. Way to play the strawman to get out of having to think about what was said.

And yes, who doesn't hate a group of people so backwards in their social views?
 
2012-05-16 11:32:56 AM

Jjaro: Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.


Perhaps if they spent less time and money trying to deny me the same rights enjoyed by other hard-working law-abiding tax-paying American citizens, I'd have a better opinion of them.
 
2012-05-16 11:35:15 AM
Well that lasted all of four headlines.
 
2012-05-16 11:40:13 AM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: Stereotypes are fun!

Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.


Stereotypes? I gave an example of some people I have come across in my travels. I never said ALL Republicans were like this, just that this type of person does exist. Way to play the strawman to get out of having to think about what was said.

And yes, who doesn't hate a group of people so backwards in their social views?


"Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate."

How is that not stereotyping? I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.
 
2012-05-16 11:49:40 AM

Jjaro: intelligent comment below: Jjaro: Stereotypes are fun!

Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.


Stereotypes? I gave an example of some people I have come across in my travels. I never said ALL Republicans were like this, just that this type of person does exist. Way to play the strawman to get out of having to think about what was said.

And yes, who doesn't hate a group of people so backwards in their social views?

"Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate."

How is that not stereotyping? I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.


I'm sorry you're suffering from that affliction. My religion teaches to love the sinner and hate the sin, and practicing republicanism is a sin. I've heard you can pray it away.
 
2012-05-16 12:03:25 PM

Jjaro: I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.


Ok, I'll play your game. Name a piece of legislation proposed by a Republican over the past, say 10 years that rewards gays for financial success rather than restricts their rights. It can be at the federal or state level.
 
2012-05-16 12:10:08 PM

Jjaro: How is that not stereotyping? I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.



The topic was an openly gay Republican.

If you want to change the subject, fine.

Yes Republicans are all about hate, that is your party platform. Have you never actually reviewed it? They hate immigrants, minorities, gays, women, liberals, intellectuals, ivy leaguers, etc. Might want to listen in to what your party leaders and pr spinners have been saying since 1980. The entire party is nothing but hate.

You're not about rewarding financial success, your party is about restricting financial success to only a small group of white men who don't feel the need to actually pay for the government they use so often.
 
2012-05-16 12:17:00 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Quietly, the Republican Party embraces gays, adjusts stance

No, they don't. This just happened, less than 24 hours ago.


You beat me to it.
 
2012-05-16 12:20:03 PM
Yes, I'd love to hear Jjaro explain how Virginia voting to approve 32 straight judges and reject 1 gay judge is "rewarding financial success" rather than "hating gay people."
 
2012-05-16 12:47:40 PM

The Why Not Guy: Jjaro: I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.

Ok, I'll play your game. Name a piece of legislation proposed by a Republican over the past, say 10 years that rewards gays for financial success rather than restricts their rights. It can be at the federal or state level.


Are you asking for a piece of financial legislation that specifically rewards gays for financial success? Because that would be discrimination as well. I personally believe that people should be rewarded for their financial success the same amount whether they are gay or straight. I can't recall any legislation that says something along the lines of "small business should get Tax Break A, unless that small business is owned by someone who is gay."

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: How is that not stereotyping? I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.


The topic was an openly gay Republican.

If you want to change the subject, fine.

Yes Republicans are all about hate, that is your party platform. Have you never actually reviewed it? They hate immigrants, minorities, gays, women, liberals, intellectuals, ivy leaguers, etc. Might want to listen in to what your party leaders and pr spinners have been saying since 1980. The entire party is nothing but hate.

You're not about rewarding financial success, your party is about restricting financial success to only a small group of white men who don't feel the need to actually pay for the government they use so often.


You changed the subject. Remember this part of your post "Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate?" And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform. Just because certain Republicans do hate, doesn't mean all of us do. And trust me, I would prefer they all go create their own party more than most people. But I'm sure you would not want to be associated with the beliefs/hatred spewed by a Keith Olbermann or a Jeremiah Wright or a Eric Holder either.

And no, my party is about restricting handouts that encourage people to stay at home and keep on collecting rather than finding a job and helping the economy, and letting people who have earned their money keep a reasonable amount of it.


The Why Not Guy: Yes, I'd love to hear Jjaro explain how Virginia voting to approve 32 straight judges and reject 1 gay judge is "rewarding financial success" rather than "hating gay people."


I wasn't aware I personally did that. As I mentioned, I said not all Republicans hate hate hate, I personally am a Republican because they value rewarding financial success more so than the Democrats. Funny thing about a two party system-you can agree with some of the aspects of one side and some of the other, and register for the party who you side with on your most important issues.
 
2012-05-16 12:50:13 PM

stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.


That -would- be a great bumper sticker, actually.

/I am proudly intolerant of the intolerant.
 
2012-05-16 01:06:07 PM

Jjaro: Are you asking for a piece of financial legislation that specifically rewards gays for financial success? Because that would be discrimination as well.


So legislation that specifically denies rights to gays is perfectly ok, but legislation that spefically rewards gays would be discrimination? Yep. You're a Republican all right.

I wasn't aware I personally did that.

The GOP you're defending did it. Here's the thing. I hear "I don't have anything against the gays personally" all the time from individual members of the GOP. But the legislation coming from Republicans you voted into office is 100% anti-gay, and the vote splits right down along party lines. Once in a while if we're lucky a Republican or two will do the right thing and vote for equality. If we're lucky.

So if you don't like being painted with the bigot brush, stop elected bigots to office.
 
2012-05-16 01:16:03 PM

The Why Not Guy: Jjaro: Are you asking for a piece of financial legislation that specifically rewards gays for financial success? Because that would be discrimination as well.

So legislation that specifically denies rights to gays is perfectly ok, but legislation that spefically rewards gays would be discrimination? Yep. You're a Republican all right.

I wasn't aware I personally did that.

The GOP you're defending did it. Here's the thing. I hear "I don't have anything against the gays personally" all the time from individual members of the GOP. But the legislation coming from Republicans you voted into office is 100% anti-gay, and the vote splits right down along party lines. Once in a while if we're lucky a Republican or two will do the right thing and vote for equality. If we're lucky.

So if you don't like being painted with the bigot brush, stop elected bigots to office.


Wow so you deleted my sentence where I state

"I personally believe that people should be rewarded for their financial success the same amount whether they are gay or straight. I can't recall any legislation that says something along the lines of 'small business should get Tax Break A, unless that small business is owned by someone who is gay.'"

Then say that I don't believe people should be rewarded for their financial success the same amount whether they are gay or straight. That's some intellectually honest debating right there.
 
2012-05-16 01:18:46 PM

Jjaro: And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform. Just because certain Republicans do hate, doesn't mean all of us do.


Interesting how you decry painting of Republicans with a broad brush... while painting the liberals on Fark with one.

Is the argument materially weakened if instead it is merely a majority of the party that have such attitude, rather than all? Or even merely that it is a disproportionately large fraction among those who strongly support the GOP, compared to the fraction within the overall population?

Jjaro: And no, my party is about restricting handouts that encourage people to stay at home and keep on collecting rather than finding a job and helping the economy, and letting people who have earned their money keep a reasonable amount of it.


It's been said that the fundamental concern of conservatives seems to be that someone is getting something that they don't deserve, while the fundamental concern of liberals seems to be that there is someone not getting something they do deserve.

intelligent comment below: Yes Republicans are all about hate, that is your party platform. Have you never actually reviewed it?


The argument would be stronger with specific examples from the platform, by the way.

(Of course, for some issues you'd actually have to point to the voting record in Congress and the individual state legislatures; EG, how "Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life" does not include support for substantive prenatal medical care, nor maintaining/increasing assistance for a single mother raising a child.)
 
2012-05-16 01:37:10 PM

abb3w: Jjaro: And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform. Just because certain Republicans do hate, doesn't mean all of us do.

Interesting how you decry painting of Republicans with a broad brush... while painting the liberals on Fark with one.

Is the argument materially weakened if instead it is merely a majority of the party that have such attitude, rather than all? Or even merely that it is a disproportionately large fraction among those who strongly support the GOP, compared to the fraction within the overall population?

Jjaro: And no, my party is about restricting handouts that encourage people to stay at home and keep on collecting rather than finding a job and helping the economy, and letting people who have earned their money keep a reasonable amount of it.

It's been said that the fundamental concern of conservatives seems to be that someone is getting something that they don't deserve, while the fundamental concern of liberals seems to be that there is someone not getting something they do deserve.



I will agree that a disproportionately large fraction of the GOP compared to the general population acts that way, and that is one of my bigger issues with the GOP, specifically those supporters whom I wish would go form their own party already, and by whom I am sure I would be called a RINO.

And I would disagree at least on a personal level on that second point. I personally have a fundamental concern that someone is getting too much taken away from them that they do deserve.

And I do appreciate that you are willing to have a debate without resorting to name-calling.
 
2012-05-16 01:38:36 PM

Jjaro: Wow so you deleted my sentence where I state "I personally believe...


It doesn't matter what you personally believe if the people you elect to office are anti-gay. Look at the legislation coming from Republicans on the state and federal level. If it pertains to homosexuality, it's anti-gay every single time, and the vote breaks down along party lines every single time. Not a single elected Republican is standing up and saying "hey wait a minute, this is wrong."

You are voting for bigots to represent you, but you don't want responsibility for their actions.

Let me flip it around for you.

Let's say I voted for a candidate who was running on an anti-Jjaro platform. My candidate wins, and he proposes various pieces of legislation stripping you of your rights. Many of them pass. I could say "gee, I have nothing against Jjaro personally" but if I voted for the guy who led the charge in removing your rights, wouldn't you say I share in the responsibility?
 
2012-05-16 01:46:26 PM
Jjaro: And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform

Um, you do realize that anti-gay language is part of the official Republican Party platform? Because I'd hate to think someone would support a party without being familiar with that party's platform.
 
2012-05-16 01:58:46 PM

Jjaro: You changed the subject. Remember this part of your post "Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate?" And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform. Just because certain Republicans do hate, doesn't mean all of us do. And trust me, I would prefer they all go create their own party more than most people. But I'm sure you would not want to be associated with the beliefs/hatred spewed by a Keith Olbermann or a Jeremiah Wright or a Eric Holder either.

And no, my party is about restricting handouts that encourage people to stay at home and keep on collecting rather than finding a job and helping the economy, and letting people who have earned their money keep a reasonable amount of it.



No, you took my post out of context. And yes the Republican party is all about hate. Sorry you can't admit it, but it's the truth.

Extreme examples? So demanding to defund NPR, Planned Parenthood, require abortion seekers to have wands stuck in them, and many other examples of bills passing or being introduced is just an extreme example of a fringe group of Republicans? False.

Stay at home and collecting? That isn't what Welfare is about. Unless you are long term disabled you cannot collect and do nothing. Not to mention that has nothing to do with the topic at all. You're just using the long discredited Reagan Welfare Queen racist statement as your only backup plan.

And what is a "reasonable amount"?

Taxes are the lowest ever, you can't possibly think that a 40% top income tax rate and a 35% capital gains rate is unreasonable. Especially when the wealthy keeps having their wealth grow at the expense of everyone else.
 
2012-05-16 01:59:15 PM

The Why Not Guy: Jjaro: And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform

Um, you do realize that anti-gay language is part of the official Republican Party platform? Because I'd hate to think someone would support a party without being familiar with that party's platform.


Maybe I missed it, but the only part of the platform I read that was anti-gay rights was the part where they want to pass the Defense of Marriage act. Nothing about Civil Unions, which give the same exact rights as marriages, except for the name.

And in response to that, if my union with a significant other could only be called a civil union and not a marriage, but was completely equal in every other aspect, but because you agreed on more pressing issues than what the hell something is called, such as the state of the economy, than I would not be upset at you at all.

Maybe I don't care as much about the meaning of a word as some other people, but I don't see the difference in name as an issue at all.

And there are plenty of Republicans who vote pro-gay rights/marriage, although the number is obviously lower than it should be.
 
2012-05-16 02:14:29 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: You changed the subject. Remember this part of your post "Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate?" And you are doing what is typical of the Liberal Farker, take extreme examples/beliefs of members of the Republican Party and claiming it is the party platform. Just because certain Republicans do hate, doesn't mean all of us do. And trust me, I would prefer they all go create their own party more than most people. But I'm sure you would not want to be associated with the beliefs/hatred spewed by a Keith Olbermann or a Jeremiah Wright or a Eric Holder either.

And no, my party is about restricting handouts that encourage people to stay at home and keep on collecting rather than finding a job and helping the economy, and letting people who have earned their money keep a reasonable amount of it.


No, you took my post out of context. And yes the Republican party is all about hate. Sorry you can't admit it, but it's the truth.

Extreme examples? So demanding to defund NPR, Planned Parenthood, require abortion seekers to have wands stuck in them, and many other examples of bills passing or being introduced is just an extreme example of a fringe group of Republicans? False.

Stay at home and collecting? That isn't what Welfare is about. Unless you are long term disabled you cannot collect and do nothing. Not to mention that has nothing to do with the topic at all. You're just using the long discredited Reagan Welfare Queen racist statement as your only backup plan.

And what is a "reasonable amount"?

Taxes are the lowest ever, you can't possibly think that a 40% top income tax rate and a 35% capital gains rate is unreasonable. Especially when the wealthy keeps having their wealth grow at the expense of everyone else.


Being anti-abortion is not hate at all, its about preserving life. And although I don't agree with this viewpoint, demanding to de-fund NPR is because they feel like NPR should be completely impartial and they feel like it is not. Just because people have a different viewpoint than you does not mean it is hate. Especially concerning the abortion issue.

And I've spent time volunteering/working in poorer areas, and I have relatives who teach in underprivileged schools, and I can tell you first hand experiences of people who have additional babies just to get government assistance and people who get more money from staying unemployed than looking for a job.

And its not racist at all. One of the main driving points for my beliefs are my multiple experiences with white people who have complained that 99 weeks is not enough time to find another job, and they want unemployment extended. Not because they couldn't find one, but because they couldn't find one in their field with the same exact pay in a terrible economy.

Furthermore, yeah, I do think that close to half of one's money being taken away is too high. Especially since now, the US Corporate Tax rate is the highest in the developed world. That kind of hinders small business growth a bit. Especially when we are coming out of (hopefully) a recession.
 
2012-05-16 02:14:46 PM

Jjaro: Maybe I missed it, but the only part of the platform I read that was anti-gay rights was the part where they want to pass the Defense of Marriage act.


So you missed the part where homosexuality is incompatible with military service?

Nothing about Civil Unions, which give the same exact rights as marriages, except for the name.

That is 100% false. Civil Unions do not give the "exact rights" as marriages.

1. a couple can secure the rights covered by marriage but not covered by civil unions from a lawyer. Depending on what part of the country you live in, the additional expense could run up to a few thousand dollars.

2. Civil Unions are not universally recognized. If you get married in Oklahoma, you're still married on vacation in Hawaii or if you relocate to Florida. The rights secured through Civil Union may or may not be recognized in other states or countries.

3. Civil Unions and rights secured through lawyer are far more likely to be challenged in court - successfully - than marriages.

And in response to that, if my union with a significant other could only be called a civil union and not a marriage, but was completely equal in every other aspect, but because you agreed on more pressing issues than what the hell something is called, such as the state of the economy, than I would not be upset at you at all.

Again, that is not the case. Civil Unions are not simply marriages with another name. They are a seperate, distinct and different legal contract from marriages.
 
2012-05-16 02:37:07 PM

Jjaro: Being anti-abortion is not hate at all, its about preserving life


And that's your personal view, yet your radical party wants government by force to enforce your morality

Jjaro: Furthermore, yeah, I do think that close to half of one's money being taken away is too high. Especially since now, the US Corporate Tax rate is the highest in the developed world. That kind of hinders small business growth a bit. Especially when we are coming out of (hopefully) a recession.


False. Taxes are not highest in the corporate world. American companies pay the least amount of taxes.

Close to half is not half, that's a full 10% off half. Another false statement.

It does not hinder small business growth, what hinders small business growth is high health care costs, to which Obamacare tried to fix, but the American Taliban is fighting it as some sort of Constitutional attack.
 
2012-05-16 03:09:09 PM
Lemme get this straight.

5/8/12 - Obama comes out in support of Gay Marriage.
5/9/12 - 5/14/12 GOP goes absolutely apeshiat. Every pundit and candidate starts coming out against gay marriage.
5/14/12 Wealthy Donor pulls monetary support of Romney, asks for a refund. Cites Gay Marriage as the deciding issue.

5/15/12 - "God I farking love gay people, aren't gay people the greatest? In fact? Fark it! I'm Gay. I'm so gay I eat rainbows and shiat glitter." - GOP

Tomorrow - "We're announcing the first annual GOProud 'Gay-off', funded entirely from Mitch McTurtles personal retirement fund."
 
2012-05-16 03:31:07 PM

Jjaro: And I do appreciate that you are willing to have a debate without resorting to name-calling.


I prefer saving it for really special occasions.

Jjaro: Nothing about Civil Unions, which give the same exact rights as marriages, except for the name.


Incorrect. There is NO federal recognition of a civil union; thus, the rights and privileges (such as federal surviorship benefits, immigration status, tax benefits, et cetera) associated with marriage are not available to people in civil unions. Additionally, there is no obligation of state A to recognize a civil union from state B (which I believe case law gives for marriages).

Jjaro: And there are plenty of Republicans who vote pro-gay rights/marriage, although the number is obviously lower than it should be.


In absolute terms -- but even one percent of US Republicans is a lot of people. In relative terms, among those who strongly identify as Republican, strong opposition to gay marriage outnumbers strong support by an order of magnitude. (Filter out the "strong" while continuing to exclude GOP-leaning independents, and it's still more than 2:1.)

Within the GOP, gay marriage supporters are a pronounced minority.

Jjaro: That kind of hinders small business growth a bit.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-05-16 03:33:50 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: Being anti-abortion is not hate at all, its about preserving life

And that's your personal view, yet your radical party wants government by force to enforce your morality


If people believe that a fetus is alive, it is akin to murder to abort. Yes that's morality, but so is punishing murder.

Jjaro: Furthermore, yeah, I do think that close to half of one's money being taken away is too high. Especially since now, the US Corporate Tax rate is the highest in the developed world. That kind of hinders small business growth a bit. Especially when we are coming out of (hopefully) a recession.

False. Taxes are not highest in the corporate world. American companies pay the least amount of taxes.

Close to half is not half, that's a full 10% off half. Another false statement.

It does not hinder small business growth, what hinders small business growth is high health care costs, to which Obamacare tried to fix, but the American Taliban is fighting it as some sort of Constitutional attack.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/us-corporate-tax-rate_n_1392 3 10.html

You're wrong. Again.
 
2012-05-16 03:39:43 PM

Jjaro: If people believe that a fetus is alive, it is akin to murder to abort. Yes that's morality, but so is punishing murder.



Your opinion goes against science, thus your belief is merely a belief system, not subject to government intervention.

I believe flowers are drugs and should be illegal, I demand the government ban flowers.

Jjaro: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/us-corporate-tax-rate_n_1392 3 10.html

You're wrong. Again.


You need to learn the difference between what corporations are supposed to pay, and what they really pay.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/30/456005/reminder-corporate - taxes-very-low/

You're wrong. Again.
 
2012-05-16 03:42:02 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: It does not hinder small business growth, what hinders small business growth is high health care costs, to which Obamacare tried to fix, but the American Taliban is fighting it as some sort of Constitutional attack.


And that is blatantly untrue. Obamacare would make health care more expensive for small businesses. I have had multiple acquaintances who have told me they would have to take the penalty and not offer health care if Obamacare was passed because of the increase in rates.

Its not just the far right that oppose Obamacare.
 
2012-05-16 03:55:23 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: If people believe that a fetus is alive, it is akin to murder to abort. Yes that's morality, but so is punishing murder.


Your opinion goes against science, thus your belief is merely a belief system, not subject to government intervention.

I believe flowers are drugs and should be illegal, I demand the government ban flowers.

Jjaro: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/us-corporate-tax-rate_n_1392 3 10.html

You're wrong. Again.

You need to learn the difference between what corporations are supposed to pay, and what they really pay.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/30/456005/reminder-corporate - taxes-very-low/

You're wrong. Again.



I'm not going to get into the morality of abortion debate, but what science? Are you saying that a fetus is not alive before it comes out of the womb? Especially since medical books such as The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology states how "The processes by which a child develops from a single cell are miraculous....Human development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum from a female is fertilized by a sperm from a male. Growth and differentiation transform the zygote, a single cell... into a multicellular adult human being." Nonetheless it is clearly not an issue of hatred, like you have claimed, but rather of when life starts.

And as for your second point: after doing like 5 minutes of research, its pretty evident that that's temporarily true, but not in the long term. A short term-set to expire subsidy is the reason the tax rate is so low for this year. It was created, because both parties realized that lowering the rates would help companies rise out of the recession. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199492233215 330.html
 
2012-05-16 04:57:33 PM

Jjaro: And that is blatantly untrue. Obamacare would make health care more expensive for small businesses. I have had multiple acquaintances who have told me they would have to take the penalty and not offer health care if Obamacare was passed because of the increase in rates.

Its not just the far right that oppose Obamacare.



False Republican talking point. Obamacare takes the cost away from small business owners.

Part time employees buy health care from a state pool and full time employees get discounted plans

I bet you have a lot of fake acquaintances that will say anything.
 
2012-05-16 04:57:52 PM

Jjaro: Obamacare would make health care more expensive for small businesse


[Citation needed]

And no I could care jack all for personal anecdotes.
 
2012-05-16 05:02:05 PM

Jjaro:


I'm not going to get into the morality of abortion debate, but what science? Are you saying that a fetus is not alive before it comes out of the womb? Especially since medical books such as The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology states how "The processes by which a child develops from a single cell are miraculous....Human development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum from a female is fertilized by a sperm from a male. Growth and differentiation transform the zygote, a single cell... into a multicellular adult human being." Nonetheless it is clearly not an issue of hatred, like you have claimed, but rather of when life starts.

And as for your second point: after doing like 5 minutes of research, its pretty evident that that's temporarily true, but not in the long term. A short term-set to expire subsidy is the reason the tax rate is so low for this year. It was created, because both parties realized that lowering the rates would help companies rise out of the recession. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199492233215 330.html



A fetus is not a human being. Sorry you can't accept science.

Here's a tip re: the tax rate. No multinational corporation pays the tax rate, their effective tax rates are nowhere near the true rate

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/164103-report-co r porations-pay-low-effective-tax-rates

The fact that you claimed to have done "5 minutes of research" shows you had no knowledge of the topic in the first place and had to run to Google to do the thinking for you.
 
2012-05-16 05:12:34 PM

Jjaro: Nonetheless it is clearly not an issue of hatred, like you have claimed, but rather of when life starts.


More exactly, of when personhood starts.
Life started a couple billion years back, and has been a continuous process since.
 
2012-05-16 05:20:06 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro:


I'm not going to get into the morality of abortion debate, but what science? Are you saying that a fetus is not alive before it comes out of the womb? Especially since medical books such as The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology states how "The processes by which a child develops from a single cell are miraculous....Human development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum from a female is fertilized by a sperm from a male. Growth and differentiation transform the zygote, a single cell... into a multicellular adult human being." Nonetheless it is clearly not an issue of hatred, like you have claimed, but rather of when life starts.

And as for your second point: after doing like 5 minutes of research, its pretty evident that that's temporarily true, but not in the long term. A short term-set to expire subsidy is the reason the tax rate is so low for this year. It was created, because both parties realized that lowering the rates would help companies rise out of the recession. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199492233215 330.html


A fetus is not a human being. Sorry you can't accept science.

Here's a tip re: the tax rate. No multinational corporation pays the tax rate, their effective tax rates are nowhere near the true rate

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/164103-report-co r porations-pay-low-effective-tax-rates

The fact that you claimed to have done "5 minutes of research" shows you had no knowledge of the topic in the first place and had to run to Google to do the thinking for you.


I'm the only one whose posted any scientific positioning. You are just saying "It's science!" without backing up the issue. Which is completely besides the point that you said people who oppose abortion do it out of hate while I claimed they do it out of compassion for the fetus. I never even stated my position on the issue, merely that people with different opinions than you do not hate.

Furthermore, the five minutes of research remark was supposed to be a dig that said anyone that spent even 5 minutes researching could tell that it was only a couple-year subsidy, which your second referenced article also points out, even though it links to a what it calls a "liberal leaning group". And obviously the effective tax rates aren't the same. If you had even skimmed the WSJ article I linked to, you could have seen that I never contested that.

And for someone offering no real evidence that Obamacare helps employers, you sure are dismissive of real anecdotes, but nonetheless, here is some further support.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46850444/Small_Business_Challenges_Obamacare_i n _Supreme_Court
-The farking The National Federation of Independent Business opposes it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimblasingame/2012/04/23/obamacare-good-f o r-small-businesses/
The CBO says costs will rise.

Companies in charge of lending cash are opposed
http://expertadvice.biz2credit.com/2012/04/30/obamacare-not-in-favor- o f-small-business-owners/

I kept out all the articles from more bias sites like Human Events.

/I look forward to your "No its wrong, because its science I can't reference" rebuttal.
 
2012-05-16 05:57:24 PM
Jjaro, you're posting outright falsehoods.

Civil unions are not marriages, Obamacare isn't a financial burden on small businesses, etc. etc. etc.

Fark isn't exactly the ladies' cotillion when it comes to courtesy, but people who make their points - however unpopular - honestly and intelligently will do all right here. You've done neither, and I'm kind of busy, so let's just skip ahead to the part where you whine about how we can't handle the Conservative viewpoint.
 
2012-05-16 07:13:03 PM

Jjaro: I'm the only one whose posted any scientific positioning. You are just saying "It's science!" without backing up the issue. Which is completely besides the point that you said people who oppose abortion do it out of hate while I claimed they do it out of compassion for the fetus. I never even stated my position on the issue, merely that people with different opinions than you do not hate.


Does this look like a human being to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fetus_3_months.jpg

Does it feel pain? have memories? Survive on its own?

Science says no.

Jjaro: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46850444/Small_Business_Challenges_Obamacare_i n _Supreme_Court
-The farking The National Federation of Independent Business opposes it.


Of course it does, it is a right wing lobby group.

Jjaro: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimblasingame/2012/04/23/obamacare-good-f o r-small-businesses/
The CBO says costs will rise.


Funny how you can't link to the actual CBO report but instead Forbes.

Jjaro: Companies in charge of lending cash are opposed
http://expertadvice.biz2credit.com/2012/04/30/obamacare-not-in-favor- o f-small-business-owners/


Another Republican lobbying group. What next? The BBB?

Jjaro: I kept out all the articles from more bias sites like Human Events.

/I look forward to your "No its wrong, because its science I can't reference" rebuttal.


Right, Forbes and the WSJ are non biased business sources...

How about you read this first

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/14/10689322-why-the-he a lth-care-cost-estimate-keeps-changing
 
2012-05-16 07:55:08 PM

Dutch Pilsner: All chaps are "assless". Never understood that phrase.


Apparently, you understand some sort of phrase.
 
2012-05-16 08:26:56 PM

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: I'm the only one whose posted any scientific positioning. You are just saying "It's science!" without backing up the issue. Which is completely besides the point that you said people who oppose abortion do it out of hate while I claimed they do it out of compassion for the fetus. I never even stated my position on the issue, merely that people with different opinions than you do not hate.

Does this look like a human being to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fetus_3_months.jpg

Does it feel pain? have memories? Survive on its own?

Science says no.

Jjaro: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46850444/Small_Business_Challenges_Obamacare_i n _Supreme_Court
-The farking The National Federation of Independent Business opposes it.

Of course it does, it is a right wing lobby group.

Jjaro: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimblasingame/2012/04/23/obamacare-good-f o r-small-businesses/
The CBO says costs will rise.

Funny how you can't link to the actual CBO report but instead Forbes.

Jjaro: Companies in charge of lending cash are opposed
http://expertadvice.biz2credit.com/2012/04/30/obamacare-not-in-favor- o f-small-business-owners/

Another Republican lobbying group. What next? The BBB?

Jjaro: I kept out all the articles from more bias sites like Human Events.

/I look forward to your "No its wrong, because its science I can't reference" rebuttal.

Right, Forbes and the WSJ are non biased business sources...

How about you read this first

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/14/10689322-why-the-he a lth-care-cost-estimate-keeps-changing


You're just moving the goalposts again. You may not think it is human or alive, but the people who oppose abortion do, and there is enough scientific data to make that conclusion acceptable. The point is, their opposition to abortion is not out of some hatred towards women, as you state it is.

And all your article says about private health insurance premiums is that it wont rise quite as fast as earlier reports said it would, but it would still rise higher than the Obama administration though. And how the hell can you call Forbes and the WSJ biased and then you link to MSNBC opinion piece without linking to the actual CBO piece?

The Why Not Guy: Jjaro, you're posting outright falsehoods.

Civil unions are not marriages, Obamacare isn't a financial burden on small businesses, etc. etc. etc.

Fark isn't exactly the ladies' cotillion when it comes to courtesy, but people who make their points - however unpopular - honestly and intelligently will do all right here. You've done neither, and I'm kind of busy, so let's just skip ahead to the part where you whine about how we can't handle the Conservative viewpoint.


I've just posted information from numerous viewpoints as to how Obamacare is a financial burden. You're the one who is accusatory with no backing information. Fark isn't the Daily Kos or Free Republic either. You can't accuse someone with a differing viewpoint of arguing dishonestly or unintelligently just because you don't agree with their viewpoints or their sources.
 
2012-05-16 08:33:09 PM

Jjaro: I've just posted information from numerous viewpoints as to how Obamacare is a financial burden.



You also just used abortion as a wedge issue to suit both your social and economic points of view, interchangeably.
 
2012-05-16 08:42:03 PM

Jjaro: You can't accuse someone with a differing viewpoint of arguing dishonestly or unintelligently just because you don't agree with their viewpoints or their sources.


Get off the cross. You claimed Civil Unions and Marriage are the same thing, just with different names. That is false for a number of different reasons, none of which are opinions, impressions, thoughts or feelings. They are facts. You lied, and you continue to lie, all the while playing the martyr.
 
2012-05-16 10:14:56 PM

coeyagi: stewmadness: Aarontology: I'll believe it when they tell the religious right to STFU & GTFO

How very tolerant of you. Put that on a bumper sticker and drive around. Be proud of your enlightened position.

So, telling the theofascists to STFU and GTFO in the hope that our country, which is being run by Jesus to the detriment of all who doesn't follow HIM, is not enlightened. Gotcha.

//And I apologize for being racist for pointing out your racism.


I think his problem was more that it was expressed in a rather...earthy...way.

/yourdoinitrite
 
2012-05-17 12:55:00 AM

Jjaro: intelligent comment below: Jjaro: Stereotypes are fun!

Sounds like you are all about hating Republicans.


Stereotypes? I gave an example of some people I have come across in my travels. I never said ALL Republicans were like this, just that this type of person does exist. Way to play the strawman to get out of having to think about what was said.

And yes, who doesn't hate a group of people so backwards in their social views?

"Republicans are all about hate. Hate minorities, hate women, it gave him an outlet for hate hate hate."

How is that not stereotyping? I am a Republican, and believe it or not, I'm not about hate. I'm about rewarding financial success. You claim that "Republicans are all about hate" with such intense hatred it makes you look like quite the hypocrite.


Really, Republicans are about rewarding financial success, so tell me why gay married couples with no kids pay far higher taxes than straight married couples with no kids who make the same amount of money? Your party saddles me with extra taxes just for being gay, to say nothing of the fact they want to charge extra estate taxes when my partner dies, extra taxes every time we give eachother anything, and still not actually afford us any legal protections at all. So... you're part of the party that wants me to pay for government, but doesn't want me to actually get any of the benefits of government... but you can keep on calling me the hypocrite for saying you guys are a bunch of hateful pricks... fine, keep at it, since you weren't actually "rewarding financial success" anyways.
 
2012-05-17 12:57:01 AM

Jjaro: intelligent comment below: Jjaro: I'm the only one whose posted any scientific positioning. You are just saying "It's science!" without backing up the issue. Which is completely besides the point that you said people who oppose abortion do it out of hate while I claimed they do it out of compassion for the fetus. I never even stated my position on the issue, merely that people with different opinions than you do not hate.

Does this look like a human being to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fetus_3_months.jpg

Does it feel pain? have memories? Survive on its own?

Science says no.

Jjaro: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46850444/Small_Business_Challenges_Obamacare_i n _Supreme_Court
-The farking The National Federation of Independent Business opposes it.

Of course it does, it is a right wing lobby group.

Jjaro: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimblasingame/2012/04/23/obamacare-good-f o r-small-businesses/
The CBO says costs will rise.

Funny how you can't link to the actual CBO report but instead Forbes.

Jjaro: Companies in charge of lending cash are opposed
http://expertadvice.biz2credit.com/2012/04/30/obamacare-not-in-favor- o f-small-business-owners/

Another Republican lobbying group. What next? The BBB?

Jjaro: I kept out all the articles from more bias sites like Human Events.

/I look forward to your "No its wrong, because its science I can't reference" rebuttal.

Right, Forbes and the WSJ are non biased business sources...

How about you read this first

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/14/10689322-why-the-he a lth-care-cost-estimate-keeps-changing

You're just moving the goalposts again. You may not think it is human or alive, but the people who oppose abortion do, and there is enough scientific data to make that conclusion acceptable. The point is, their opposition to abortion is not out of some hatred towards women, as you state it is.

And all your article says about private health insurance premiums is that it wont rise quite as fast as ea ...


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2012-05-17 09:12:42 AM

The Why Not Guy: Jjaro: You can't accuse someone with a differing viewpoint of arguing dishonestly or unintelligently just because you don't agree with their viewpoints or their sources.

They are facts. You lied, and you continue to lie, all the while playing the martyr.


In only one of the many posts I made in this thread did I even mention civil unions at all. Everything else I mentioned I backed up with much more evidence than you, or anyone else, used in response. That is not lying, and I am offended you are calling me a liar.

You accuse me of lying about small businesses, I back it up, and you completely drop the notion and accuse me of continuously lying about something I brought up once, realized I may have been misguided on that particular issue, and did not bring up again.

Thinking that people are always out to get you is a pretty sure sign of paranoia WhyNotGuy.

thamike: Jjaro: I've just posted information from numerous viewpoints as to how Obamacare is a financial burden.


You also just used abortion as a wedge issue to suit both your social and economic points of view, interchangeably.


I never mentioned abortion is any economic sense. In fact I never mentioned that I specifically oppose its legality. All I said was that people who oppose abortion do not do it out of hate for women.
 
2012-05-17 10:05:30 AM

Jjaro: That is not lying, and I am offended you are calling me a liar.



You claimed civil unions are equal to marriage in every way except the name. That is a flat out lie. Offended? Good.
 
2012-05-17 02:31:30 PM

Jjaro: You're just moving the goalposts again.


No, the goal posts are set. you claim a fetus is a human being, that is scientifically wrong.

Jjaro: And all your article says about private health insurance premiums is that it wont rise quite as fast as earlier reports said it would, but it would still rise higher than the Obama administration though. And how the hell can you call Forbes and the WSJ biased and then you link to MSNBC opinion piece without linking to the actual CBO piece?


The revision is because the economy SUCKS thanks to Republicans refusing to raise taxes and lower military spending. Thank your representatives for that.
 
2012-05-17 06:06:24 PM

Jjaro: All I said was that people who oppose abortion do not do it out of hate for women.


Are you talking about the act of aborting a fetus or the right for women to have the operation done?

If you select option B, guess what?
 
2012-05-17 06:08:18 PM

intelligent comment below: No, the goal posts are set. you claim a fetus is a human being, that is scientifically wrong.


A fetus is a potential human being. Almost like a Republican.
 
2012-05-17 10:30:28 PM

Jjaro: In only one of the many posts I made in this thread did I even mention civil unions at all.


And it was a lie. Why should we believe you, again?
 
2012-05-18 11:53:23 AM

TsukasaK: Jjaro: In only one of the many posts I made in this thread did I even mention civil unions at all.

And it was a lie. Why should we believe you, again?


I said I was misguided in that same post you are quoting from. Thats not a lie. Either you are a dumb shiat or being intentionally intellectually dishonest.

thamike: Jjaro: All I said was that people who oppose abortion do not do it out of hate for women.

Are you talking about the act of aborting a fetus or the right for women to have the operation done?

If you select option B, guess what?


I honestly don't see a difference besides in semantics. If they don't believe in the right for women to have the operation done, it could be because the operation aborts the fetus.

intelligent comment below: Jjaro: You're just moving the goalposts again.

No, the goal posts are set. you claim a fetus is a human being, that is scientifically wrong.

Jjaro: And all your article says about private health insurance premiums is that it wont rise quite as fast as earlier reports said it would, but it would still rise higher than the Obama administration though. And how the hell can you call Forbes and the WSJ biased and then you link to MSNBC opinion piece without linking to the actual CBO piece?

The revision is because the economy SUCKS thanks to Republicans refusing to raise taxes and lower military spending. Thank your representatives for that.


No, your initial claim was that when people are anti-abortion its because they hate women. That is specifically what you stated. I said that there is scientific evidence that a fetus is alive and that they feel it should be illegal to kill it, not out of hatred but out of protection for the fetus.

And that's not why the economy sucks, unless you believe it only started sucking when the Tea Partiers came into office. Which is just not true.

Regardless, my Republican representative has voted against certain tax breaks and has voted to raise taxes. So your point is off there too. But assumptions are cool I guess.
 
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