I will answer my door, but I am always armed in some fashion. I say in some fashion because I a) always check the peep and analyze the potential threat, and b) I have a variety of weapons to choose from. I also never open the door more than two inches, and keep myself positioned so I can close the door at a moment's notice.

theknuckler_33: I have neighbors that I sincerely care about... what if something happened to them and I could help? If someone is knocking on my door at 3am, you are damned sure I'm getting out of bed to find out who it is.

Guessing they don't give a shiat because no one gives a shiat about them. Wonder why that could be? Pretty sad.

I thought I was pretty apathetic, but I at least help people that I think deserve help, and I'm damn sure going to help my neighbors if only for the fact that I'd want the same in return. At the least if I hear gunshots and someone knocks on my door I'm going to call 911, even if I don't think it's safe to answer the door. What kind of neighborhood are you helping create for yourself if your response is just to ignore what's going on? It takes everyone caring about each other to some extent to make a neighborhood worth living in.

theknuckler_33: chookbillion: theknuckler_33: ReapTheChaos: oukewldave: What kind of neighborhood do you live in when you hear gunshots at night, 3 small kids at your door I assume crying and such, and then just send them on their way?

If someone knocks on my door at 3 am and the knock isn't followed up by "police department" it doesn't get answered, I wouldn't even get out of bed. I don't even answer my phone after 10pm.

You are fine example of our society.

What's wrong with this? I won't even answer my door during the day if I don't know the person that's there. And I don't yell who is it or anything. I always let my phone go to voicemail, too.

Since I have caller ID, I let calls that I don't recognize go to voicemail too, but how do you know how is at the door if you don't ask who it is? I suspect you have some method of looking to see who it is. Would you not do the same thing even if it were at 3am? I have neighbors that I sincerely care about... what if something happened to them and I could help? If someone is knocking on my door at 3am, you are damned sure I'm getting out of bed to find out who it is.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the OP, but saying you won't even get out of bed if woken up at 3am by knocking on your door without an indication that it is the police is pretty weird. I may not answer the door (ie. open it), but I'm sure as shiat getting up and trying to find out who is there.

from this, it is obvious to me that you live in an extremely safe and peaceful neighborhood. if someone is knocking on my door at 3am, I am grabbing a weapon and finding a secure place in the house. then, even if the person out there says what they want, unless I recognize the voice expertly, I'm not even going to the window to check who it is. glass doesn't stop a bullet.

it's summer time, and I live in home invasion central. someone recently tried to get my neighbor. she was dropped off at her house by a friend. they saw someone loitering, so the friend waking her inside. when the friend, male, left, the loiterer knocked on my neighbor's door asking for help because he had a flat tire.

I can promise you she'd have had a bad night if she would have answered the door. (I mean, at best, she had to help some dude replace a flat... but more likely, home invasion, burglary, with a slight chance of rape... maybe a little murder too, because that's a very common conclusion to the first string of horribles).

she called the cops, and the guy drove away -- no flat tire. moral of the story: don't answer the door for strangers.

FTFA: "The children's father does not live with the family and Goodyear said he was distraught."

I'm sorry, but i'm going to have to call



he's doing the maury dance right now. if she killed herself, having babies at 14 years old, he wasn't providing shiat in the way of support. he's on the hook for less mouths, but has a story to tell the next kid he knocks up.

FTFA: He said authorities have received previous calls from Thomas' home pertaining to domestic violence.

mm hmm.

Unless I was armed I would have told those kids to run around the corner (out of sight) and keep going until they see a police car (which I would be calling). They would not have been safe at the neighbor's house.

JRoo: theknuckler_33: JRoo: Oh, Zimmerman was in his truck? Well exCUUUUSE MEEEE!

It has nothing to do with that either. Why are you being so obtuse? IT's not like Zimmerman shot him while driving by in his truck either. He saw Martin, followed him, called the cops, the cops said 'stop following him', he kept following him, then the shooting occurred.

The bolded part is what is relevant. Being 'in front of his house' or 'in his truck' has nothing to do with it. So, yes, you are being a hyperbolic asshole. If you can't explain the proper reason why people are outraged, then you are a hindrance to the people who want to see justice in this case. You are the kind of person the conservatives point to and say 'see how stupid the libs are!'. Thanks for giving them more ammo.


Gotcha. People would have been fine with the shooting if 911 hadn't told him to stop following and I should shut up in case someone notices a mistake I made a calls me a stupid lib.

Thanks for your expert opinion.

So the 911 operator is the all mighty? Really? Pretty sure they are not sworn officers.

gojirast: theknuckler_33: ReapTheChaos: oukewldave: What kind of neighborhood do you live in when you hear gunshots at night, 3 small kids at your door I assume crying and such, and then just send them on their way?

If someone knocks on my door at 3 am and the knock isn't followed up by "police department" it doesn't get answered, I wouldn't even get out of bed. I don't even answer my phone after 10pm.

You are fine example of our society.

Sounds more like a person smart enough to avoid a home invasion. There's absolutely no way I"m answering the door (but I might check my firearm) at that hour.

I'm damned sure not going to risk life and limb to save some crazy woman's progeny from her. I'll call the police sure, but I'm not shortening my life to keep her kids alive.

Obviously every situation is different. I, for one, am willing to risk personal harm to help others. Sure, I won't take every risk, but if the mother is nowhere in sight and there are three kids at my doorstep, I'll risk opening the door and shooing them in and quickly closing the door and hiding in my bedroom behind closed/locked door with my shotgun and phone in hand. I'm having a hard time understanding a guy with open door and 3 kids there after hearing gunshots letting them go back to their mother when it would be weird to think that they'd come to my door if their mother were home and everything were ok in the first place. I just think that is farked up. Maybe it is a product of my environment, I fully admit that I don't live in a high crime area and maybe my opinion would be different, but TFA doesn't look like a ghetto to me either.

JRoo: o want to see justice in this case. You are the kind of person the conservatives point to and say 'see how

Just shut the hell up about the Martin case, threadjacker.

mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

EXACTLY wth

Since I have caller ID, I let calls that I don't recognize go to voicemail too, but how do you know how is at the door if you don't ask who it is? I suspect you have some method of looking to see who it is. Would you not do the same thing even if it were at 3am? I have neighbors that I sincerely care about... what if something happened to them and I could help? If someone is knocking on my door at 3am, you are damned sure I'm getting out of bed to find out who it is.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the OP, but saying you won't even get out of bed if woken up at 3am by knocking on your door without an indication that it is the police is pretty weird. I may not answer the door (ie. open it), but I'm sure as shiat getting up and trying to find out who is there.

Well, yeah, I have a peephole in the door. And I guess if someone was pounding on the door loudly enough to wake me up in the wee hours I would sneak to the door quietly and look out, but I wouldn't do anything to let the person know I was on the other side of the door. If I saw someone bleeding or something I'd call the cops. But, if the OPer doesn't want to do that I'm okay with that. We just have different situations than you do.

AFKobel: mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

Where did you get that the kids had gunshot wounds when they went next door?

I don't see that in TFA, or any other that I've read on this matter.

I read the same thing earlier today on MSN. granted MSN is a wretched nightmare of a news source...but i read that the neighbor sent kids with gun shots in them BACK home because the mother was 'surprisingly calm' when calling them to come home or something to that effect.

Damn, totally screwed up that "quoting" thing.

MomUdLikeToFark: mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

EXACTLY wth

Blood tends to blend in with darkness.

JRoo: theknuckler_33: JRoo: Oh, Zimmerman was in his truck? Well exCUUUUSE MEEEE!

It has nothing to do with that either. Why are you being so obtuse? IT's not like Zimmerman shot him while driving by in his truck either. He saw Martin, followed him, called the cops, the cops said 'stop following him', he kept following him, then the shooting occurred.

The bolded part is what is relevant. Being 'in front of his house' or 'in his truck' has nothing to do with it. So, yes, you are being a hyperbolic asshole. If you can't explain the proper reason why people are outraged, then you are a hindrance to the people who want to see justice in this case. You are the kind of person the conservatives point to and say 'see how stupid the libs are!'. Thanks for giving them more ammo.


Gotcha. People would have been fine with the shooting if 911 hadn't told him to stop following and I should shut up in case someone notices a mistake I made a calls me a stupid lib.

Thanks for your expert opinion.

Again, being obtuse. What you wrote was retarded lacking context. And that was your point. Don't provide any context to get maximum shock value... ie. hyperbole. What you wrote evokes an image of a guy sitting in his lawn chair as Suzie skips by bounding her ball and the guy blows her away and everything is cool. That is hyperbole.

rhondajeremy: AFKobel: mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

Where did you get that the kids had gunshot wounds when they went next door?

I don't see that in TFA, or any other that I've read on this matter.

A neighbor heard shots at 4:50 a.m. and then responded to a knock at the door to find three of the children. The mother, Tanya Thomas, 33, called them back home, Brevard County Sheriff's Office Lt. Tod Goodyear told reporters

Well... that certainly responded to my initial point a total of zero point zero percent.

But someone else clarified up thread, so go back to sleep, Random Quoting Person.

rhondajeremy: BTW subby...very troll-y headline. Well done.

//he didn't ignore the text, he was sleeping and didn't look at it until morning
//one of the things I hate about cell phones-the expectation that you must read/answer calls/text as soon as they come.

From the MSN article, it said that the text was sent to a friend. the kids went to the neighbors. Two different people to my understanding. I'm also not sure why the cops weren't called when there were gun shots first off, then wounded kids showing up at the door, and psycho mom making them come back home? I have some pretty terrible neighbors, but they like my kid enough to call the cops on me if i shot her, just sayin

JRoo: As soon as people stop responding to me, I'll shut up.

Yeah, that's a good plan right there. So responsible of you.

rhondajeremy:
A neighbor heard shots at 4:50 a.m. and then responded to a knock at the door to find three of the children. The mother, Tanya Thomas, 33, called them back home, Brevard County Sheriff's Office Lt. Tod Goodyear told reporters

I read this three times and thought it was some crazy southern Christian way of saying "sent them to God" or to Heaven. It wasn't until I read these comments that I figured out she actually CALLED them to the house and they went back to be "sent home" in a biblical sense.

serpent_sky: Holy hell, the whole story of this, when it comes out is going to be truly insane. If it ever does. I first heard about this and thought they were young kids. I mean, what would have been the punishment for not going back?

I can't really fathom what happened. One of their siblings was already fatally shot apparently (though not dead yet), another had a gunshot wound, neighbors must've heard the sounds unless they double dosed on Ambien and vodka, then they go back to be executed one by one.

The freaking hell?

Salt Lick Steady: JRoo: o want to see justice in this case. You are the kind of person the conservatives point to and say 'see how

Just shut the hell up about the Martin case, threadjacker.

SERIOUSLY.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "The culture of the state"? Shut the fark up. Seriously.

Was thinking the same thing. Thanks.

GoldDude: sendbillmoney: "Pebbles?"
"Yes, Mom?"
BAM! BAM!

Would you like the window or aisle seat?
I guess I get the other since I laughed at that.

Thanks kindly. I'm an aisle man. Hate disturbing people when I have to go tap a kidney.

theknuckler_33: gojirast: theknuckler_33: ReapTheChaos: oukewldave: What kind of neighborhood do you live in when you hear gunshots at night, 3 small kids at your door I assume crying and such, and then just send them on their way?

If someone knocks on my door at 3 am and the knock isn't followed up by "police department" it doesn't get answered, I wouldn't even get out of bed. I don't even answer my phone after 10pm.

You are fine example of our society.

Sounds more like a person smart enough to avoid a home invasion. There's absolutely no way I"m answering the door (but I might check my firearm) at that hour.

I'm damned sure not going to risk life and limb to save some crazy woman's progeny from her. I'll call the police sure, but I'm not shortening my life to keep her kids alive.

Obviously every situation is different. I, for one, am willing to risk personal harm to help others. Sure, I won't take every risk, but if the mother is nowhere in sight and there are three kids at my doorstep, I'll risk opening the door and shooing them in and quickly closing the door and hiding in my bedroom behind closed/locked door with my shotgun and phone in hand. I'm having a hard time understanding a guy with open door and 3 kids there after hearing gunshots letting them go back to their mother when it would be weird to think that they'd come to my door if their mother were home and everything were ok in the first place. I just think that is farked up. Maybe it is a product of my environment, I fully admit that I don't live in a high crime area and maybe my opinion would be different, but TFA doesn't look like a ghetto to me either.

Fair enough, but if I hear gunshots, I'm not even going to know it's 3 kids knocking. Gunshots + 3AM = absolutely NOBODY is getting a response from me unless I'm certain it's a cop (and I'll verify via 911 before I'll acknowledge one of them).

I have lived next door to an apartment that got home invaded. I moved out as soon as I could afterwards.

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I made this, then I went back and RTFA. Now I'm sad and a jerk for posting it anyway.

YOU SIR! are funny.

MomUdLikeToFark: semiotix: [ifaketext.com image 475x712]

I made this, then I went back and RTFA. Now I'm sad and a jerk for posting it anyway.

YOU SIR! are funny.

I didn't even feel bad about laughing at that one.

Salt Lick Steady: MomUdLikeToFark: mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

EXACTLY wth

Blood tends to blend in with darkness.

Awww god don't like ugly....see what he did to those kids?

This article features a mugshot of Dead Mom from TEN YEARS AGO. When she was TWENTY-THREE. Yowza.

JRoo: CrispFlows: After the class, I jumped onto Fark to relax and I came across this article and I genuinely wondered - was there anything that could've been done to prevent this?


In a country that restricts mental health care to those who can pay for it and lets anyone have a gun?

In a state where you can shoot a kid walking past your house and not even get arrested?

Yeah, there's probably plenty that COULD have been done to prevent it but this is AMERICA!

We probably could have done something to remove the moral hazards which encouraged this woman to keep having kids. Unfortunately, doing so would have resulted in our being called heartless racists.

JRoo: I agree, I was doing it for maximum shock value. I'm arguing on an internet forum and I think most people are already fairly familiar with the case so I don't feel like providing excruciating detail.

Indeed. Everyone is familiar, no excruciating detail was needed. That's why your statement hit a flat note. Usually it is best to be accurate when making an argument, but clearly that wasn't your goal... because internet. Good reason.

Okieboy: These weren't little toddlers, they were 12/15/17 years old???? The neighbor heard gun shots, then 3 of the kids were at his door, and they went back willingly???? This doesn't make sense. Those kids should have been running down the street yelling "HEEEELLLLZZZZ NOOOO"

/baffling

Those are were some dumb kids

/FTFM

Wow what a shiatty story. Now I have the sad.

cmcl: This article features a mugshot of Dead Mom from TEN YEARS AGO. When she was TWENTY-THREE. Yowza.

See Salt Lick Steady....told you he doesn't like ugly.

She sure went out with a bang too. Surprised that hasn't been said yet.

Damn. Damn it all to hell.

theknuckler_33: Happy Hours: theknuckler_33: You are not doing our side any favors by putting things in these kind of hyperbolic terms.

???

We're supposed to take sides on this case? I'm white so I guess I have to be on Zimmerman's side, but I hate Jews and Mexicans so I guess that means I'm supposed to be against Zimmerman.

That's how it's supposed to work, right? It's all about RACE!

umm... 'our side' referred to people who wanted to see justice done in that case. Where did you get race out of that? Yea, there is the side that thinks the 'stand your ground' statute means Zimmerman is not culpable. There is the other side that thinks that Zimmerman committed murder (or manslaughter at the minimum).

Where are getting race from?

Then there are those of us who could give a fark about race and are waiting until the facts come out before making any further judgments..you know, the people who actually want justice for all and aren't looking to give Zimmerman a "fair" trial before finding him guilty of murder and hoping he gets shanked in prison.

Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said Goodyear said. Would a writing course hurt any of these people?

gojirast: I have lived next door to an apartment that got home invaded. I moved out as soon as I could afterwards.

Like I said, every situation is different. The idea of not even getting out of bed at 3am when someone is knocking on your door is really weird though. Wouldn't you get out of bed simply to arm yourself in case of a home invasion? The OP seemed to indicate that they'd just roll over and go back to sleep. I can't fathom that at all.

MomUdLikeToFark: Salt Lick Steady: MomUdLikeToFark: mossberg: How about the asshat neighbor, who sent three kids with gunshot wounds back home to their mother?

EXACTLY wth

Blood tends to blend in with darkness.

Awww god don't like ugly....see what he did to those kids?

I just realized how that could be taken. I should feel like an asshole.

MomUdLikeToFark: She sure went out with a bang too.

Yuck yuck.

/I'm sure when they were alive they had a blast with their mom.

I miss protips. FYI just sounds more uppity for some reason.

hdhale: theknuckler_33: umm... 'our side' referred to people who wanted to see justice done in that case. Where did you get race out of that? Yea, there is the side that thinks the 'stand your ground' statute means Zimmerman is not culpable. There is the other side that thinks that Zimmerman committed murder (or manslaughter at the minimum).

Where are getting race from?

Then there are those of us who could give a fark about race and are waiting until the facts come out before making any further judgments..you know, the people who actually want justice for all and aren't looking to give Zimmerman a "fair" trial before finding him guilty of murder and hoping he gets shanked in prison.

Why is the word fair in quotes? And what's with the bit about 'hoping' he gets shanked in prison?

serpent_sky: rhondajeremy: It would be hard for me to send them back once I saw they were wounded but on the other hand, the neighbour wouldn't have any way of knowing that the mother was the one who shot them (at least, that's the impression I get) so you might just send them back to their mom.

Damn, you know, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps the neighbor had no idea and thought they would be better off with their mother, not remotely thinking the mother was the shooter. I sort of feel bad for thinking the neighbor was totally in the wrong now.

An article linked above said the following:

According to Goodyear, a neighbor heard gun shots. Minutes later two of the children arrived on his doorstep. One of the boys, police believe it was Joel, was covered in blood and told the neighbor his mom had shot them. The oldest child, Pebbles, could be seen walking back towards the family home, Goodyear said.

"She was very calm, called them in," Goodyear said. "She didn't seem to be stressed or mad, just stepped out. She walked out and said 'come home.'"

The neighbors say that they called out to the children, begging them not to go back to the house. That was the last time they saw the children.

I don't really know what to say.

theknuckler_33: And what's with the bit about 'hoping' he gets shanked in prison?

I know, it's like nobody does that anymore. You go for a straight stab and twist between the ribs. Maybe a noogie first.