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		April was the 326th consecutive month with above average global temperatures, but this of course in no way proves that global warming may be occuring (washingtonpost.com)		49
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chimp_ninja		2012-05-15 02:20:48 PM

8 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Denier "logic" works about that well in other situations:

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, murders are up 75% since you came into office and laid off hundreds of police. Shouldn't you hire them back?
Mayor: Murder rates have fluctuated on earth throughout its 3000 year history.

Reporter: Mr. CEO, your company's stock is down 60% since you replaced your most experienced workers with high-school dropouts to cut costs. Shouldn't you hire them back?
CEO: Stock prices have fluctuated since the market's inception.

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, we have security video of the so-called "Mad Arsonist" setting fires to buildings. What will you do to stop him?
Mayor: Nothing. Did you know that fires existed before there were humans on the planet?

Blues_X		2012-05-15 02:09:38 PM

4 votes:

downstairs: 27 years? In just the past 5 years I remember at least one winter month where temperatures had to have been way, way below averages. All over the country. Even down here in the deep south.

So, no.

Global temperatures... how do they work?

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers		2012-05-15 05:49:44 PM

3 votes:

"The planet isn't going anywhere. WE are!" -GC

fusillade762		2012-05-15 05:46:39 PM

3 votes:

Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

lh4.ggpht.com

chimp_ninja		2012-05-15 02:36:39 PM

3 votes:

vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

From the journal Science:
"In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations" ...

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

Admittedly, authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point.

This analysis shows that scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed literature agree with IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, and the public statements of their professional societies. Politicians, economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion, disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is incorrect."

ecmoRandomNumbers		2012-05-15 02:19:20 PM

3 votes:

This global ~~warming~~ climate change is wreaking havoc on our fruit trees. We get these record temperatures in February and March, forcing the trees to bloom, then we get a freak freeze and snowstorm in May. It's been years since we've had a single peach, and this is the first time we'll have apples and cherries in probably 6 years.

The old-school Mormons who own the larger orchards here don't remember going this long without a harvest. It sucks.

/yes, it's anecdotal, but it's very real.

I_Am_Weasel		2012-05-15 01:51:41 PM

3 votes:

After 326 months, shouldn't there be new average global temperatures?

chimp_ninja		2012-05-15 08:48:53 PM

2 votes:

GeneralJim: If you are scientific, it is appropriate that you question the anti-science mindset of the toadies pushing the warmer alarmist agenda. It is appropriate to remain skeptical of ANY science. Science is NOT about the goose-stepping, forced agreement. Science is about backing up hypotheses with data, and trying to shoot down hypotheses. Warmer alarmist "science" is not science. So, wear your skepticism proudly, and welcome to science!

i40.tinypic.com

Yes, let's all be lectured on data-driven skepticism by a guy who claims "time-shifted heat" proves Jesus exploded in a shower of radiation upon his death, which is all documented by the Book of Urantia that modern science is "catching up to".

What else do we learn from the data-driven skeptical Book of Urantia?

"(166.2) 15:2.3 1. The System. The basic unit of the supergovernment consists of about one thousand inhabited or inhabitable worlds. Blazing suns, cold worlds, planets too near the hot suns, and other spheres not suitable for creature habitation are not included in this group. These one thousand worlds adapted to support life are called a system, but in the younger systems only a comparatively small number of these worlds may be inhabited. Each inhabited planet is presided over by a Planetary Prince, and each local system has an architectural sphere as its headquarters and is ruled by a System Sovereign.

(166.3) 15:2.4 2. The Constellation. One hundred systems (about 100,000 inhabitable planets) make up a constellation. Each constellation has an architectural headquarters sphere and is presided over by three Vorondadek Sons, the Most Highs. Each constellation also has a Faithful of Days in observation, an ambassador of the Paradise Trinity.

(166.4) 15:2.5 3. The Local Universe. One hundred constellations (about 10,000,000 inhabitable planets) constitute a local universe. Each local universe has a magnificent architectural headquarters world and is ruled by one of the co-ordinate Creator Sons of God of the order of Michael. Each universe is blessed by the presence of a Union of Days, a representative of the Paradise Trinity."

Yeah, that sounds legit. You're the One True Champion of science that all the world's professional organizations can't understand, and not just some political hack who is cutting and pasting far-right talking points.

GeneralJim		2012-05-15 07:03:42 PM

2 votes:

Magnanimous_J:

As an Atheist, a Scientific Humanist, and a moderate environmentalist, am I a total Uncle Tom that I am starting to have doubts about this Climate Change thing?

I feel like people are afraid to be skeptical at risk of being called stupid, or a republican or something. 27 years is a long time, but how many longer warming or cooling trends have we had in the untold millions of years the Earth has been rolling around the sun?

If you are scientific, it is appropriate that you question the anti-science mindset of the toadies pushing the warmer alarmist agenda. It is appropriate to remain skeptical of ANY science. Science is NOT about the goose-stepping, forced agreement. Science is about backing up hypotheses with data, and trying to shoot down hypotheses. Warmer alarmist "science" is not science. So, wear your skepticism proudly, and welcome to science!

olddinosaur		2012-05-15 05:53:19 PM

2 votes:

The science behind it all is not in dispute.

The earth heats and cools in 400--year cycles, and that is verified by a lot of data and information. Since we are at the peak of
a 400--year heating cycle, it is no surprise it is hotter; it is hotter in July than in January for the same reason.

What is not proven is that it is man--caused; in 1200 c.e. it was so hot, the Vikings were able to traverse the Northwest Passage, a feat not duplicated until 1901--1903, and they named what is today called Newfoundland "Vinland," because grapes grew there. 400 years later it was so cold, it was called "The Little Ice Age."

However, one big thing which no one can dispute is: People will seize any crisis as a means to make a profit, and that is just what is happening here.

MrEricSir		2012-05-15 05:35:35 PM

2 votes:

It's just a series of coincidences! Don't let "big math" convince you otherwise!

chimp_ninja		2012-05-15 04:11:33 PM

2 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: chimp_ninja: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Denier "logic" works about that well in other situations:

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, murders are up 75% since you came into office and laid off hundreds of police. Shouldn't you hire them back?
Mayor: Murder rates have fluctuated on earth throughout its 3000 year history.

Reporter: Mr. CEO, your company's stock is down 60% since you replaced your most experienced workers with high-school dropouts to cut costs. Shouldn't you hire them back?
CEO: Stock prices have fluctuated since the market's inception.

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, we have security video of the so-called "Mad Arsonist" setting fires to buildings. What will you do to stop him?
Mayor: Nothing. Did you know that fires existed before there were humans on the planet?

Correlation doesn't imply causation you know.

No, but radiative physics was well understood enough in 1896 to approximate the magnitude of the change in greenhouse effect by altering the composition of the atmosphere.

You seem to think that scientists noticed the increased temperature first, and associated increased temperature with increased carbon dioxide second. You have that backwards.

chimp_ninja		2012-05-15 02:41:13 PM

2 votes:

downstairs: I never stated any opinion on global warming. Regardless of its extience or not, I'm not believing we've had 326 consecutive months of above average temperatures.

Even if global warming was something we all agreed on- 100% of us- I'll never believe that during 27+ years there wasn't a single month that bucked the trend.

NASA's global data set, with temperature anomalies given in hundredths of a Kelvin. The last month colder than the mid-century average was February, 1994, which was 0.07K below average.

All of the major data sets are a matter of public record, and they track very well with one another. Why would you declare that you would "never believe" that? That's the opposite of skepticism.

timujin		2012-05-15 02:23:31 PM

2 votes:

Huh, you'd think with all of those warm months, the average would be moving up...
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/also, climate change, subby, not "global warming"

Theaetetus		2012-05-15 02:12:16 PM

2 votes:

vpb		2012-05-15 01:52:53 PM

2 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good.

antidisestablishmentarianism		2012-05-15 01:50:26 PM

2 votes:

Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

guyinjeep16		2012-05-16 11:55:39 AM

1 votes:

chuckufarlie: intelligent comment below: chuckufarlie: maybe you are just too stupid to find his credentials.

You already posted his credentials, in every topic you troll in. Nobody cares about that dead idiot because he NEVER ONCE published a peer reviewed study. Sounds familiar? Yeah all your "scientists" with no actual qualifications in the subject all have the same problem. They preach their opinion but can never back it up with scientific studies. Now keep shilling, pathetic troll.

Peer review is not as important as you seem to think it is. The fact that Reid is dead is not important, nor was he an idiot.

Ever hear of John R. Christy? He is a climate scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH) whose chief interests are satellite remote sensing of global climate and global climate change. He is best known, jointly with Roy Spencer, for the first successful development of a satellite temperature record

He also disagrees with the people who support AGW.
chuckufarlie: guyinjeep16: chuckufarlie: guyinjeep16: chuckufarlie: guyinjeep16: chuckufarlie: Reid Bryson

I googled him, and searched for some peer reviewed work, and found nothing.

You are going to have to link us to his work.

/The man disagreed without doing the tough research, he had and idea and stood by it.
//But saying "no its not" doesnt hold weight with me, and it shouldnt hold weight with you.

He was unable to publish his work and you should also wonder why this was.

maybe you should learn how to use google.

Do you have his published work available? We would love to see it!

If you are so interested in this gentleman, I suggest that you google his name. Beyond that, STFU.

You are the one so interested in him, and we all know why.

I know who he was before you ever came in here an mentioned him.

He is a great guy, but he wasnt researched on this subject like you need to be to speak intelligently about it. In fact he did very little if any actual research on the subject.

Heck in the late 90s i was EXTREMEMLY skeptical about AGW and fought it all the way until I couldnt deny it anymore.

This came from listening to the science, and admittedly it wasnt an easy thing for me to swallow that I was wrong.

I am sure that you have swallowed lots of things that were not easy.

You have nothing to add, you are a troll. goodbye.

GeneralJim		2012-05-16 05:33:13 AM

1 votes:

Bucky Katt:

GeneralJim: GORDON: Only 326 consecutive months? We've been slowly warming up since the last ice age, 10k-ish years ago.

No, not really...

[earthintime.com image 506x286]

Lovely chart. No scale and no source. You do beautiful work.

A discussion of general trends doesn't require a scale. But, I know you're "special," so, just for you:

tucsoncitizen.com

CowboyUpCowgirlDown		2012-05-15 10:52:56 PM

1 votes:

Ambitwistor		2012-05-15 09:45:47 PM

1 votes:

dennysgod: Well technically since the earth is around 4.5 billion years old 326 months has no statistical value.

You know how I know you don't understand statistics?

dennysgod		2012-05-15 09:43:45 PM

1 votes:

Well technically since the earth is around 4.5 billion years old 326 months has no statistical value. Even if you consider that about 500 million years ago was when life emerged on land to even care about surface temperatures 326 months still has no statistical value.

Pumpernickel bread		2012-05-15 09:30:02 PM

1 votes:

and 2010 was the second coldest in the past 10. Not difficult to parse the data to say what you want it to say. No one is disputing that there was a warming trend in the 80s through about 1998, but temperatures have stayed pretty stable since then. According to the global warming models this shouldn't be happening, but it is. April was warm, but May will likely end up cooler than average.

XveryYpettyZ		2012-05-15 08:45:42 PM

1 votes:

BooCollins: How can you have the coolest March in 13 years and yet the streak is at 320 something months above average Also love how the Artic ice is at its highest level since 2001, but lets freak out because tomorrow I will have a polar bear drown in my front yard. Of course though since it is in a internet article they must know what they are talking about.

Goddamn, you're a stupid sonofabiatch. Let's go through this: 320 months equals how many years? (I'll give you a small hint, it's NOT smaller than 13). So if you have a March that's 1 degree above average followed by 11 Marches that are 2 degrees above average and this March is 1.5 degrees above average.... you have 13 straight Marches of above average temperatures AND the coldest March in 13 years.

Was that so hard?

Damnhippyfreak		2012-05-15 08:10:19 PM

1 votes:

Oh, right. I almost forgot about the ~~bingo~~ Denialo. Courtesy of the card generator that maxheck made.

i48.tinypic.com

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-05-15 07:13:22 PM

1 votes:

Damnhippyfreak: comparing data that was collected in two different ways with different technology is pointless.

Now: "The temps in this location using digital thermometers at exactly 2pm EST is 75.56 degrees
Then: "Hey, did anyone record how warm it was today? Yeah, I saw the thermometer hit 75 degrees earlier today.

Conclusion: Global Warming

This isn't quite true. Sure, different methods are used, but all trying to get at the same physical property. What you get is different sets that have different assumptions and different amounts of uncertainty, but they're still useful. Not exactly equal, but comparable.

useful for what?

with the different assumptions and uncertainty what does the margin of error look like and are the results outside that margin of error?

trekkiecougar		2012-05-15 07:07:30 PM

1 votes:

Whether humankind is contributing to climate change or not is no excuse to keep trashing the planet.

fatkiddown		2012-05-15 06:46:16 PM

1 votes:

Eddie Vedder: Hard Sun

farm4.static.flickr.com

The Southern Dandy		2012-05-15 06:44:18 PM

1 votes:

We're past the tipping point. It's inevitable that it's going to happen.

With all the conservative idiots breeding like they do....Idiocracy is our future.

The same folks that are poo-pooing global warming, are the same idiots that will be saying...

...but it's got electrolytes.

homepage.mac.com

ringersol		2012-05-15 06:40:50 PM

1 votes:

birchman: "I wonder if Republicans ever notice that almost every single thing they stand for is slowly being abandoned and left to die."

Once upon a time those weren't the things they stood for. They believed in a functional safety net, a solid national defense, effective regulation, healthcare reform, a balanced yet sane budget, etc. And it wasn't so long ago.

And then there came the Southern Strategy. And it worked. By the FSM did it work.
As it turns out, you can win elections for *generations* by creating a boogeyman, casting your opponent as supporter and enabler of the boogeyman and promising a return to the good-old-days. You needn't actually *deliver* on those promises. Those old days needn't actually be good. The boogeyman needn't actually exist and your opponents may be objectively better for the country than you. It simply doesn't matter.

As long as you can reach these people on an emotional level and keep them scared of that boogeyman, every attempt by your opponents to explain that the boogeyman doesn't exist is seen as *validation* of the boogeyman and their allegiance to him. And those scared voters will vote.

Once the GOP found the shortcut, they simply gave up trying to win in a straight-up election on the merits.
They know they're spewing hate and nonsense. They built their field of straw men; invented their 'others' to scapegoat. They sure as hell know it's a fiction. They just don't care.

deadcrickets		2012-05-15 06:39:41 PM

1 votes:

We've only had 38 days and nights of rain, Global Flooding is a myth!

Mildot		2012-05-15 06:11:20 PM

1 votes:

steamingpile		2012-05-15 06:08:37 PM

1 votes:

ghare: steamingpile: I ignore facts if they disagree with my world view

Yes, yes, we know already.

What am I ignoring? The world is warming, yes. It has been for a long time, sure has, about the only point I have ever disagreed on is that man is the sole reason for that and recent science has proven that the world goes in pretty dramatic cycles itself which we have zero control over.

Im still waiting for you to google why the sahara wasnt always a desert.

Unknown_Poltroon		2012-05-15 05:56:41 PM

1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good preventable.

ftfy.

besides, last year were were told it was no longer global warming, that it was climate change. Are we back to global warming again?

can someone read the talking points, coordinate a bit better and get back to us? Thanks

Moron, they changed it to climate change because morons kept saying "herp derp, it snowed, you're wrong, AL GORE!."

Ambitwistor		2012-05-15 05:56:06 PM

1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Anyone who believes the carbon tax is about making the world a better place is about as gullible as they come.

Read up on Pigovian taxes, which have been supported by mainstream economists for nearly a century to deal with negative externalities like pollution.

GeneralJim		2012-05-15 05:51:13 PM

1 votes:

chimp_ninja:

"In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ...

Again with that Oreskes POS article? What a complete crock. Time and again the problems with that have been pointed out to you, and you still bring up that stale turd, and plop it into the punchbowl at every opportunity.

But, yeah, the science doesn't count, what counts is a "vote" taken by counting papers paid for by government research grants. Oh, yeah, and be sure to set the bar for "skepticism" so high that none of the papers pass, even though those in the field know that there were many papers skeptical of the IPCC position published. Bribe, threaten, cheat, and fabricate: The Scientific Method.

J. Frank Parnell		2012-05-15 05:42:04 PM

1 votes:

rustypouch: [farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

/oblig

Anyone who believes the carbon tax is about making the world a better place is about as gullible as they come. With a new income stream from that tax, any technology which reduces carbon emissions will also reduce their income. They don't want to ban the combustion engine or replace it with something else, just tax everyone who uses one.

If it showed any promise of making the world a better place i'd be behind it 100%. But it's quite obviously just about getting money.

LouDobbsAwaaaay		2012-05-15 05:40:34 PM

1 votes:

Magnanimous_J: As an Atheist, a Scientific Humanist, and a moderate environmentalist, am I a total Uncle Tom that I am starting to have doubts about this Climate Change thing?

I feel like people are afraid to be skeptical at risk of being called stupid, or a republican or something. 27 years is a long time, but how many longer warming or cooling trends have we had in the untold millions of years the Earth has been rolling around the sun?

It doesn't make you an "Uncle Tom", it just means you aren't as scientifically literate as you thought you were. Not a huge deal in the long run.

BronyMedic		2012-05-15 05:36:30 PM

1 votes:

Wow. I'm suprised GeneralJim and chuckufarlie have not been in here yet with the same debunked, misleading charts, and the same Cut and Paste responses they usually have when these get greenlighted.

You're just too stupid to see that thousands of scientists are lying to you in order to get grant money! Stupid Sheeple!

theorellior		2012-05-15 05:36:20 PM

1 votes:

T.rex: In fact, i'd bet good money that its the Liberals who use hair spray mousse and other aersol canisters moreso than Conservatives.

Bzzzzt, aerosol = ozone hole. We've already solved that problem. Thanks for playing!

vodka		2012-05-15 05:35:23 PM

1 votes:

You have all had the wool pulled over your eyes. Where do you think these scientists get their money from? The government pays them to report false measurements so they can sell more fear.

SoCalSurfer		2012-05-15 05:29:26 PM

1 votes:

higher oceans = less land = higher property values

I'm okay with this.

Also means a shorter drive to the beach

antidisestablishmentarianism		2012-05-15 03:41:29 PM

1 votes:

chimp_ninja: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Denier "logic" works about that well in other situations:

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, murders are up 75% since you came into office and laid off hundreds of police. Shouldn't you hire them back?
Mayor: Murder rates have fluctuated on earth throughout its 3000 year history.

Reporter: Mr. CEO, your company's stock is down 60% since you replaced your most experienced workers with high-school dropouts to cut costs. Shouldn't you hire them back?
CEO: Stock prices have fluctuated since the market's inception.

Reporter: Mr. Mayor, we have security video of the so-called "Mad Arsonist" setting fires to buildings. What will you do to stop him?
Mayor: Nothing. Did you know that fires existed before there were humans on the planet?

Correlation doesn't imply causation you know.

netizencain		2012-05-15 02:30:31 PM

1 votes:

Based on finite, inaccurate temperature models, right?

I hate reading, "Hottest day in history". Really, so you knew the temperature on June 1, 12,000BC in Los Angeles? Our 'recorded history' is a farking speck of time.

vernonFL		2012-05-15 02:30:23 PM

1 votes:

Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Serious Black		2012-05-15 02:21:46 PM

1 votes:

I'm just gonna go ahead and preemptively page Jon Snow to the thread to counter the nuts who think anthropogenic climate change doesn't exist or that it's actually a good thing.

downstairs		2012-05-15 02:05:39 PM

1 votes:

27 years? In just the past 5 years I remember at least one winter month where temperatures had to have been way, way below averages. All over the country. Even down here in the deep south.

So, no.

CommieTaoist		2012-05-15 01:58:44 PM

1 votes:

But it has been cooler than usual here lately, therefore global climate change doesn't exist, Sarah Palin is automatically president and Jesusaurous Rex raptured all the righteous dinosaurs before the asteroid hit. (or would have it dinosaurs ever actually existed and weren't all planed in the 1800's by Jewish people working for Satan).