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(Washington Post)   April was the 326th consecutive month with above average global temperatures, but this of course in no way proves that global warming may be occuring   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 541
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2012-05-15 05:35:36 PM  
Yeah, i'm sure after those 'climategate' emails were leaked everyone decided to just give up on the large organized plan to "hide the decline" in temperature, and make it appear things are getting warmer.
 
2012-05-15 05:35:47 PM  
Oh, hey, it's THIS thread again.

KFTC, guys.
 
2012-05-15 05:35:47 PM  
Can we get some graphs please!
 
2012-05-15 05:35:56 PM  
Global warming or not, we are warming up from an ice age. We should be getting hotter month to month. Only difference is the rate. Bad premise is bad.
 
2012-05-15 05:36:06 PM  
As an Atheist, a Scientific Humanist, and a moderate environmentalist, am I a total Uncle Tom that I am starting to have doubts about this Climate Change thing?

I feel like people are afraid to be skeptical at risk of being called stupid, or a republican or something. 27 years is a long time, but how many longer warming or cooling trends have we had in the untold millions of years the Earth has been rolling around the sun?
 
2012-05-15 05:36:06 PM  
farm5.static.flickr.com

/oblig
 
2012-05-15 05:36:20 PM  

T.rex: In fact, i'd bet good money that its the Liberals who use hair spray mousse and other aersol canisters moreso than Conservatives.


Bzzzzt, aerosol = ozone hole. We've already solved that problem. Thanks for playing!
 
2012-05-15 05:36:30 PM  
Wow. I'm suprised GeneralJim and chuckufarlie have not been in here yet with the same debunked, misleading charts, and the same Cut and Paste responses they usually have when these get greenlighted.

You're just too stupid to see that thousands of scientists are lying to you in order to get grant money! Stupid Sheeple!
 
2012-05-15 05:37:39 PM  
what does it say about how much humans are responsible?

oh right, nothing.
 
2012-05-15 05:37:49 PM  

vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?


Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

Tomes and/or Indulgences can be purchased in the lobby after the show.
 
2012-05-15 05:39:23 PM  
In its latter years, even the Bush administration conceded the reality of global warming. It did so because the scientific evidence proved beyond all reasonable doubt that global average temperatures are rising, and they have been for a long time.

Yet the Fark Independents still claim it isn't happening.
 
2012-05-15 05:39:45 PM  

vpb: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good preventable.


ftfy.

besides, last year were were told it was no longer global warming, that it was climate change. Are we back to global warming again?

can someone read the talking points, coordinate a bit better and get back to us? Thanks
 
2012-05-15 05:40:34 PM  

Magnanimous_J: As an Atheist, a Scientific Humanist, and a moderate environmentalist, am I a total Uncle Tom that I am starting to have doubts about this Climate Change thing?

I feel like people are afraid to be skeptical at risk of being called stupid, or a republican or something. 27 years is a long time, but how many longer warming or cooling trends have we had in the untold millions of years the Earth has been rolling around the sun?


It doesn't make you an "Uncle Tom", it just means you aren't as scientifically literate as you thought you were. Not a huge deal in the long run.
 
2012-05-15 05:40:45 PM  

bugontherug: In its latter years, even the Bush administration conceded the reality of global warming. It did so because the scientific evidence proved beyond all reasonable doubt that global average temperatures are rising, and they have been for a long time.



how long is a long time?
 
2012-05-15 05:42:04 PM  

rustypouch: [farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

/oblig


Anyone who believes the carbon tax is about making the world a better place is about as gullible as they come. With a new income stream from that tax, any technology which reduces carbon emissions will also reduce their income. They don't want to ban the combustion engine or replace it with something else, just tax everyone who uses one.

If it showed any promise of making the world a better place i'd be behind it 100%. But it's quite obviously just about getting money.
 
2012-05-15 05:42:59 PM  
1. Nobody knows what the average global temperature is so the headline is meaningless.

2. It does not matter that last month was above the imaginary average, what does matter is the trend over the last ten to fifteen years.
 
2012-05-15 05:43:48 PM  
Call me when the new average is in.
 
2012-05-15 05:44:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good preventable.

ftfy.

besides, last year were were told it was no longer global warming, that it was climate change. Are we back to global warming again?

can someone read the talking points, coordinate a bit better and get back to us? Thanks


the less popular, but more accurate label is climate scam.
 
2012-05-15 05:44:22 PM  
How can you have the coolest March in 13 years and yet the streak is at 320 something months above average Also love how the Artic ice is at its highest level since 2001, but lets freak out because tomorrow I will have a polar bear drown in my front yard. Of course though since it is in a internet article they must know what they are talking about.
 
2012-05-15 05:44:27 PM  
Human beings. Re-inventing ways to screw ourselves since the beginning of recorded history.
 
2012-05-15 05:44:42 PM  
The article itself says, "After the globe's coolest March since 1999, April heated back up, closing as the 5th warmest on record since records began in 1881." Idiot.

So no.
 
2012-05-15 05:45:08 PM  

downstairs: 27 years? In just the past 5 years I remember at least one winter month where temperatures had to have been way, way below averages. All over the country. Even down here in the deep south.

So, no.


Well shiat, roll up the tents and pack your bags boys, he's got it all figured out.
 
2012-05-15 05:45:26 PM  
A family of Black people just moved into my neighborhood, therefore global warming is true.
 
2012-05-15 05:45:27 PM  

vpb: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good.


Nobody has ever said that, but you cant prove that man is the sole cause of the warming with 100% accuracy, some will say we are causing it but there have been more severe climate changes when there were no humans on the planet.

Dont believe me, google to find out why most of northern africa wasnt always a desert, and why they have found freshwater shells in what has been described by geologists and archaeologists as the largest freshwater lakes that ever existed, bigger than the great lakes combined.

We are not always in control of our planet, but we can try to stop pollution while we are here, but until we have the balls to force other nations to clean up then its useless to completely cripple our industry when it will have zero effect on the atmosphere.
 
2012-05-15 05:46:17 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: bugontherug: In its latter years, even the Bush administration conceded the reality of global warming. It did so because the scientific evidence proved beyond all reasonable doubt that global average temperatures are rising, and they have been for a long time.



how long is a long time?


Ever since the little ice age.
 
2012-05-15 05:46:39 PM  

Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!


lh4.ggpht.com
 
2012-05-15 05:47:26 PM  

rustypouch: [farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x333]

/oblig


Sad part is I've argued with people who think along those same lines.
 
2012-05-15 05:48:06 PM  
April was the 326th consecutive month with above average global temperatures, but this of course in no way proves that global warming may be occuring

There was probably the same number of months in a row qwhere it cooled so it's ok; it all averages out ... you knopw the big picture.



I keed... we're all screwed so i have my s'mores ready to roll.
 
2012-05-15 05:49:19 PM  

fusillade762: Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

[lh4.ggpht.com image 384x512]


THIS IS MORE LIKELY:

Climate policy has almost nothing to do with environmental protection anymore, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. -Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010

First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore. - Ottmar Edenhofer, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010
 
2012-05-15 05:49:33 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Magnanimous_J: As an Atheist, a Scientific Humanist, and a moderate environmentalist, am I a total Uncle Tom that I am starting to have doubts about this Climate Change thing?

I feel like people are afraid to be skeptical at risk of being called stupid, or a republican or something. 27 years is a long time, but how many longer warming or cooling trends have we had in the untold millions of years the Earth has been rolling around the sun?

It doesn't make you an "Uncle Tom", it just means you aren't as scientifically literate as you thought you were. Not a huge deal in the long run.


Or maybe you are more arrogant than to blindly believe what is a dwindling number of scientists that are leaping off the "man-made" global warming alarm most of the net yellers are screaming, a lot of geologists, archaeologists have been finding data that proves the earth has its own cycles and man has very little to nothing to do with them.

Heres a real estate tip, buy up all the dry land in the sahara, you wont see a return but future relatives will thank you one day, thousands of years from now and you will be a hero!
 
2012-05-15 05:49:44 PM  
"The planet isn't going anywhere. WE are!" -GC
 
2012-05-15 05:51:13 PM  
chimp_ninja:
"In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ...

Again with that Oreskes POS article? What a complete crock. Time and again the problems with that have been pointed out to you, and you still bring up that stale turd, and plop it into the punchbowl at every opportunity.

But, yeah, the science doesn't count, what counts is a "vote" taken by counting papers paid for by government research grants. Oh, yeah, and be sure to set the bar for "skepticism" so high that none of the papers pass, even though those in the field know that there were many papers skeptical of the IPCC position published. Bribe, threaten, cheat, and fabricate: The Scientific Method.
 
2012-05-15 05:51:29 PM  
The current New Yorker has a good article on global geoengineering.

We're not, realistically, going to cut back on fossil fuels soon enough to put a dent in our climate impact.

The tech solutions will be interesting...and probably cause at least one war in the next few decades, when countries and corporations start using conflicting methods.
 
2012-05-15 05:51:45 PM  

dmass: The article itself says, "After the globe's coolest March since 1999, April heated back up, closing as the 5th warmest on record since records began in 1881." Idiot.

So no.


and we all know that they have collected the data in the same way with the same tools in the same locations since 1881.
 
2012-05-15 05:52:26 PM  
A main page AGW thread always delivers the lulz.
 
2012-05-15 05:52:43 PM  

chuckufarlie: fusillade762: Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

[lh4.ggpht.com image 384x512]

THIS IS MORE LIKELY:

Climate policy has almost nothing to do with environmental protection anymore, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. -Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010

First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore. - Ottmar Edenhofer, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010


I read a book years ago called "Set up and Sold Out" It was about how global initiative were set in place to make sure no one nation controls the worlds economy and wealth, all through "green" or environmental measures, its really eerie that most of what people are saying is following along those exact lines.
 
2012-05-15 05:53:19 PM  
The science behind it all is not in dispute.

The earth heats and cools in 400--year cycles, and that is verified by a lot of data and information. Since we are at the peak of
a 400--year heating cycle, it is no surprise it is hotter; it is hotter in July than in January for the same reason.

What is not proven is that it is man--caused; in 1200 c.e. it was so hot, the Vikings were able to traverse the Northwest Passage, a feat not duplicated until 1901--1903, and they named what is today called Newfoundland "Vinland," because grapes grew there. 400 years later it was so cold, it was called "The Little Ice Age."

However, one big thing which no one can dispute is: People will seize any crisis as a means to make a profit, and that is just what is happening here.
 
2012-05-15 05:54:45 PM  

fusillade762: Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

[lh4.ggpht.com image 384x512]


Is that the ONLY choice?
Oh, rly?
 
2012-05-15 05:55:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: dmass: The article itself says, "After the globe's coolest March since 1999, April heated back up, closing as the 5th warmest on record since records began in 1881." Idiot.

So no.

and we all know that they have collected the data in the same way with the same tools in the same locations since 1881.


Well using soil samples we can see that if you were to compare samples of today over time then you would see the warming process now is not even close to what happened millions of years ago, I mean I am pretty sure Terra Nova was just a show but other than time travelers can you explain why it shows warming took place back then? Or was Terra Nova just a prophecy!??!?!?!??! RUN FOR THE HILLS MARTHA!
 
2012-05-15 05:56:06 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Anyone who believes the carbon tax is about making the world a better place is about as gullible as they come.


Read up on Pigovian taxes, which have been supported by mainstream economists for nearly a century to deal with negative externalities like pollution.
 
2012-05-15 05:56:41 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: antidisestablishmentarianism: Temperatures have fluctuated on earth throughout it's 3000 year history. Overzealous non-story.

Yes, we have had global warming before, just like we have had earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, so that means they are all good preventable.

ftfy.

besides, last year were were told it was no longer global warming, that it was climate change. Are we back to global warming again?

can someone read the talking points, coordinate a bit better and get back to us? Thanks


Moron, they changed it to climate change because morons kept saying "herp derp, it snowed, you're wrong, AL GORE!."
 
2012-05-15 05:57:18 PM  

olddinosaur: However, one big thing which no one can dispute is: People will seize any crisis as a means to make a profit, and that is just what is happening here.


Except even scarier is that some people are using this crisis to steal power away and to make laws that you have to follow or get hauled away.
 
2012-05-15 05:57:18 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This global warming climate change is wreaking havoc on our fruit trees. We get these record temperatures in February and March, forcing the trees to bloom, then we get a freak freeze and snowstorm in May. It's been years since we've had a single peach, and this is the first time we'll have apples and cherries in probably 6 years.

The old-school Mormons who own the larger orchards here don't remember going this long without a harvest. It sucks.

/yes, it's anecdotal, but it's very real.


It's probably just God punishing us for the gheys.
 
2012-05-15 05:58:01 PM  
olddinosaur:

You're about 5 years behind on your long-debunked climate skeptic talking points. Even they aren't dumb enough to still keep using them. I guess your Fark handle is appropriate.
 
2012-05-15 05:58:04 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Well hey. If we go long enough the average will be higher and we'll be back to average.



Came to say similar.

Time to toss some virgins into the volcano.

Again.
 
2012-05-15 05:58:21 PM  

fusillade762: Count Dyscalculia: vernonFL: Excuse me if I sound naive or snobby, but I thought that global warming was a proven fact, and the only arguments are whether or not humans are causing it, and what the long term effects will be?

Yes, but such discussions to not draw attention to either the speaker, the opposition or that fact that assloads of money can be made by both parties extolling their positions; WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! or LIBERAL BULLshiat!!!

lh4.ggpht.com
[lh4.ggpht.com image 384x512]


The problem with this graphic is that to control 90% of the researchers, I only need to bribe the two guys who edit the journals with the largest impact factor. Once I control them, I control what research gets published, and who publishs or perishes. Very soon, I don't need to bribe the 90%, because I've marginalized the remaining dissenters, and everyone who wants a viable career has learned to parrot the company line. They've bribed themselves. I've seen this mechanism used to control the debate in other fields.
 
2012-05-15 05:58:45 PM  
I predict the presence of an insane green-texting attention whore in this thread
 
2012-05-15 05:59:03 PM  

Ambitwistor: J. Frank Parnell: Anyone who believes the carbon tax is about making the world a better place is about as gullible as they come.

Read up on Pigovian taxes, which have been supported by mainstream economists for nearly a century to deal with negative externalities like pollution.


Isnt this the same line of thinking where economists say France needs to charge their millionaires a 75% tax rate? Or where millionaires in the USA need to pay over 50%?

Yeah, those economists can kiss my puckered rosebud.
 
2012-05-15 05:59:31 PM  
Meh... still don't care.
 
2012-05-15 05:59:35 PM  
Holy cow! That means I have gone 326 months without giving a damn about it.
 
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