good to see LRC get some exposure

bhcompy: Try as I might, I can't think of a single thing this "ally" has ever done for me, or any other American citizen, in my 57 years

That's because they're really good at hiding the fact that Israel does all kinds of cloak and dagger shiat that sometimes only benefits the US Israel (like Mossad assassinating a Hamas operative in Dubai recently, among other things).

Basically, that's the point, moron.

Philip Francis Queeg: How does assassinating a Hamas operative directly benefit the United States?

Regarding the Hamas case, nothing directly, but Israel also farks with Iran on a regular basis, which does help us out.

The parens were in regard to the second statement in that sentence.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: How does assassinating a Hamas operative directly benefit the United States?

Regarding the Hamas case, nothing directly, but Israel also farks with Iran on a regular basis, which does help us out.

The parens were in regard to the second statement in that sentence.

How does farking with Iran directly benefit the United Sates?

DavidVincent: ......36. An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant (in southern California's Mojave desert)

37. Israeli agents in the United States government and lobbying groups work diligently to involve American troops in wars that benefit Israel.


And last BUT NOT LEAST

38.


"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women". - Osama bin Laden

Hamas has never attacked the US directly. How does a targeted assassination in a neutral country benefit the US?

//It doesn't.

intelligent comment below: And Google "Black September" or "Unemployed Palestinians in Lebanon" if you want to see how the other nations full of their "brothers" treat them. Lebanon refuses to allow them to be employed and Jordan kicked them out after terrorist attacks. The fact that Israel dedicates money and man power to give them a chance to live while the other countries do everything to make them suffer just shows how hypocritical most people are when they blame Israel for a refugee problem caused by the other nations who started the wars.

Interesting. I really know little about the pro/anti Israel debate. I've done some research, and TBH, it's hard to wade through all the whargarble on each side.

This post though, I found interesting. I'll have to go back to Google and do some more.

Regardless, I'm still against the clear majority of foreign aid we send out, and not just to Israel. We seriously need to look at our problems at home first, and then help out others if and when we can. That's not out of dislike for any other nation, but more out of a concern for my own.

Philip Francis Queeg: How does farking with Iran directly benefit the United Sates?

Because the US considers Iran at best an adversarial country? Because the US is against nuclear proliferation in Iran(which is why we supported the IDF with Stuxnet)?

the "perpetually suck Israel's cock while giving them money" act has passed?
color me shocked

DavidVincent: 37. Israeli agents in the United States government and lobbying groups work diligently to involve American troops in wars that benefit Israel.


Right, because nothing benefits Israel more than chaos in Afghanistan and Iraq after America pulls out.

Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: How does farking with Iran directly benefit the United Sates?

Because the US considers Iran at best an adversarial country? Because the US is against nuclear proliferation in Iran(which is why we supported the IDF with Stuxnet)?

You keep turning things around. Israel does not want Iran to also get nukes so it is putting pressure on the the US to do something.

intelligent comment below: DavidVincent: 37. Israeli agents in the United States government and lobbying groups work diligently to involve American troops in wars that benefit Israel.


Right, because nothing benefits Israel more than chaos in Afghanistan and Iraq after America pulls out.

Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.

actually you're the one who is full of bullshiat. Israel wanted us to go to war not only in Iraq but Iran too.
stfu if you can't lie better than that.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: How does farking with Iran directly benefit the United Sates?

Because the US considers Iran at best an adversarial country? Because the US is against nuclear proliferation in Iran(which is why we supported the IDF with Stuxnet)?

If Israel really wanted to assist the US on non proliferation issues they would become signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty themselves.

Is antagonizing an adversarial country always a good thing?

intelligent comment below: Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.

What race?

Hobodeluxe: actually you're the one who is full of bullshiat. Israel wanted us to go to war not only in Iraq but Iran too.
stfu if you can't lie better than that.


And Israel also wanted an unstable regime in Egypt too, right? Why have a dictator like Saddam in charge who you know won't mess with you when you can have unknown people come to power in a democracy in a region that hates your guts. Another idiot who can't admit America is addicted to cheap energy and that dictates its foreign policy. It's easier to blame something else other than your unsustainable lifestyle.

Israel doesn't want a war with Iran either. They just want a quick strike on its nuclear reactors just like they did to Iraq and Syria in years past.

This ends your foreign policy lesson for the day my child.

DavidVincent: You keep turning things around. Israel does not want Iran to also get nukes so it is putting pressure on the the US to do something.

Perhaps, but the US also wants Iran to not hold nukes because holding nukes gives you various kinds of leverage over those that don't.

Philip Francis Queeg: If Israel really wanted to assist the US on non proliferation issues they would become signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty themselves.

Is antagonizing an adversarial country always a good thing?

Kind of a moot point isn't it, since the common belief is that they already have them?

And you don't taunt the nuclear dynamite monkey, but Iran isn't the nuclear dynamite monkey yet. They don't even have M-80s at this point.

bhcompy: intelligent comment below: Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.

What race?

I wouldn't worry about him calling anyone a racist. it's the last desperate straw the Zionist defenders have to grasp when losing a argument.

DavidVincent: You keep turning things around. Israel does not want Iran to also get nukes so it is putting pressure on the the US to do something.

You spelled Saudi Arabia wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/10/saudi-arabia-nuclear-bomb_ n _1267571.html


Saudi Arabia To 'Immediately' Go Nuclear Should Iran Develop Bomb

The truth is Saudi Arabia dictates Americas foreign policy. You do what they want and kiss the leaders feet at every opportunity. But that is not something you want to be proud of, it's easier to say the Jews control the world rather than admit you're at the mercy of the leaders of OPEC because you have a cheap energy addiction you can't quit.

Hobodeluxe: I wouldn't worry about him calling anyone a racist. it's the last desperate straw the Zionist defenders have to grasp when losing a argument.

Not sure if serious or just don't know DavidVincent's post history.

Also laughable you think insulting me is how you win an argument against my clearly stated facts.

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: actually you're the one who is full of bullshiat. Israel wanted us to go to war not only in Iraq but Iran too.
stfu if you can't lie better than that.


And Israel also wanted an unstable regime in Egypt too, right? Why have a dictator like Saddam in charge who you know won't mess with you when you can have unknown people come to power in a democracy in a region that hates your guts. Another idiot who can't admit America is addicted to cheap energy and that dictates its foreign policy. It's easier to blame something else other than your unsustainable lifestyle.

Israel doesn't want a war with Iran either. They just want a quick strike on its nuclear reactors just like they did to Iraq and Syria in years past.

This ends your foreign policy lesson for the day my child.

don't faking condescend to me you insolent fascist. one thing has nothing to do with the other. The Egyptian people rose up against an oppressive regime. It had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. and us going into Iraq was what Israel wanted. They want us to spend lives and treasure on Iran for them too.

intelligent comment below: DavidVincent: 37. Israeli agents in the United States government and lobbying groups work diligently to involve American troops in wars that benefit Israel.


Right, because nothing benefits Israel more than chaos in Afghanistan and Iraq after America pulls out.

Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.



Mearsheimer and Walt frown on your ignorance.

Hobodeluxe: don't faking condescend to me you insolent fascist. one thing has nothing to do with the other. The Egyptian people rose up against an oppressive regime. It had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. and us going into Iraq was what Israel wanted. They want us to spend lives and treasure on Iran for them too.

No man, it was all a ploy by the CIA to overthrow Mubarak. Haven't you heard the "truth" man? Like, really, man.

And again, yeah Israel totally wants unstable regimes that hate Jews in power in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with cheap energy, man. It's always the EVIL JEWS WHO WANTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS TO DIE FOR THEM LOLOLOL

Sounds like you're the insolent fascist, prick.

intelligent comment below: DavidVincent: 37. Israeli agents in the United States government and lobbying groups work diligently to involve American troops in wars that benefit Israel.


Right, because nothing benefits Israel more than chaos in Afghanistan and Iraq after America pulls out.

Typical ignorant (And in your case, blatantly racist) American, can't accept America goes to fight in the middle east to keep your unsustainable lifestyle affordable.


You say American as if you are not one. What country are you a citizen of/living in?

DavidVincent: You say American as if you are not one. What country are you a citizen of/living in?


Can't debate my words so you have to change the subject. Why don't you call me black and post a picture of a monkey like you usually do. But don't call you a racist.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: If Israel really wanted to assist the US on non proliferation issues they would become signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty themselves.

Is antagonizing an adversarial country always a good thing?

Kind of a moot point isn't it, since the common belief is that they already have them?

And you don't taunt the nuclear dynamite monkey, but Iran isn't the nuclear dynamite monkey yet. They don't even have M-80s at this point.

Gee, do you think that might be the farking motivation for Iran to want the farking bomb to begin with?

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: don't faking condescend to me you insolent fascist. one thing has nothing to do with the other. The Egyptian people rose up against an oppressive regime. It had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. and us going into Iraq was what Israel wanted. They want us to spend lives and treasure on Iran for them too.

No man, it was all a ploy by the CIA to overthrow Mubarak. Haven't you heard the "truth" man? Like, really, man.

And again, yeah Israel totally wants unstable regimes that hate Jews in power in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with cheap energy, man. It's always the EVIL JEWS WHO WANTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS TO DIE FOR THEM LOLOLOL

Sounds like you're the insolent fascist, prick.

you keep saying that but that's not what the goal was. the goal was to prop up friendly regimes that would be under the watchful eyes of permanent military bases placed in those countries. to remove Hussein and the Taliban from power. To put US (and Israel by proxy) in charge of the region. And make no mistake Iran is next on the list and you know it you disingenuous troll.

intelligent comment below: DavidVincent: You say American as if you are not one. What country are you a citizen of/living in?


Can't debate my words so you have to change the subject. Why don't you call me black and post a picture of a monkey like you usually do. But don't call you a racist.


I didn't know we were debating. We definitely have a difference of opinion. I wouldn't know where to begin with you. As I said you get everything backwards. Like the cart is pulling the horse. Was Israel's strike on Lebanon a preemptive attack in retaliation for 9/11/2001 as seen by Uri Geller?

My personal opinion is that we should tell the Israelis (and the Palenstians, and the Saudis, and everybody else in the region) to go play in traffic, withdraw completely from the region, and write HERE THERE BE DRAGONS on all maps. The Middle East has Christian holy sites, oil, and lots of crazy people who want to kill each other (and us, by extension). The value of the first two is less than the cost of dealing with the third. Besides, it's not like we have to actually go over there to buy their oil-whoever is in power will be perfectly willing to sell it to us no matter what (or are at least willing to sell it to people who are willing to sell it to us).

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: don't faking condescend to me you insolent fascist. one thing has nothing to do with the other. The Egyptian people rose up against an oppressive regime. It had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. and us going into Iraq was what Israel wanted. They want us to spend lives and treasure on Iran for them too.

No man, it was all a ploy by the CIA to overthrow Mubarak. Haven't you heard the "truth" man? Like, really, man.

And again, yeah Israel totally wants unstable regimes that hate Jews in power in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with cheap energy, man. It's always the EVIL JEWS WHO WANTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS TO DIE FOR THEM LOLOLOL

Sounds like you're the insolent fascist, prick.


Tats is taking a sick day and you're the replacement? Tell him we hope he feels better and can come back to work soon.

Geotpf: My personal opinion is that we should tell the Israelis (and the Palenstians, and the Saudis, and everybody else in the region) to go play in traffic, withdraw completely from the region, and write HERE THERE BE DRAGONS on all maps. The Middle East has Christian holy sites, oil, and lots of crazy people who want to kill each other (and us, by extension). The value of the first two is less than the cost of dealing with the third. Besides, it's not like we have to actually go over there to buy their oil-whoever is in power will be perfectly willing to sell it to us no matter what (or are at least willing to sell it to people who are willing to sell it to us).


I don't see every other nation in the world with military bases over there fighting wars to get their oil. Can't we just buy it like everyone else?

Jubeebee: EatTheWorld: Jubeebee: Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.

are you saying those things aren't true? and OH MY!!! National Pride! I guess that makes him neo-con or something.

Explain how things like "Israel has the highest number of museums per capita in the world." benefit the USA.

Aaaactually that does benefit the USA, just like it does the world--all the things on that list do by making life easier for people who use the stuff mentioned.

However, when it comes to foreign policy, all that means is that we need to make a little note on the side saying 'if we need to bomb them, avoid the museums'.

Hobodeluxe: [raymondpronk.files.wordpress.com image 640x531]

according to intelligent comment below these people didn't want Iraq invaded.
Despite all the money Israel poured into the "think tanks" like PNAC and lobbyists like AIPAC to produce those results.

it was all a big coincidence that a couple dozen prominent neocons found their way into the Bush administration before 9/11
that their desire for an invasion of Iraq was their mission statement in the years preceding the Bush admin was all a big coincidence too.

the last thing they wanted was this to happen right "intelligent comment below"? Remember how hard they all lobbied to try and stop the Iraq war?
no you don't you revisionist fark.


If there is one thing I have learned, it is that uncomfortable facts are uncomfortable.

proteus_b: Philip Francis Queeg: Your life depends on ethnic discrimination?

yes, and if you're too stupid to know that i can't explain it to you.

Wow. You're a hot mess.

So you're saying Nazi Germany was a more useful ally than Israel?

Since you put it like that, I agree.

Your blog is fine. You, on the other hand, suck monkey balls.

Someone at Fark (?) had this suggestion, which I am plagiarizing here:

- News item: Parts of Mexico are becoming depopulated because of emigration to the US, internal migration to Mexico City and the drug war.

- News item: Supporting Israel and very expensive and causes young Saudi men to fly airplanes into skyscrapers.

- Solution: Move Israel to northern Mexico. The Mossad could take out the cartels.

- Difficulty : Lack of carnitas the next time I travel to Mexico and the orthodox rabbis would make the girls on Sabado Gigante put on more clothes.

Hobodeluxe: you keep saying that but that's not what the goal was. the goal was to prop up friendly regimes that would be under the watchful eyes of permanent military bases placed in those countries. to remove Hussein and the Taliban from power. To put US (and Israel by proxy) in charge of the region. And make no mistake Iran is next on the list and you know it you disingenuous troll.


Because giving democracy to those countries will really create US and Israel "friendly" regimes. What exactly did the Taliban and Saddam do to threaten Israel? Absolutely nothing. Saddam learned his lesson not to mess with Israel on the 7th of June, 1981.

Keep with the insults and personal attacks, it shows how intelligent you really are to not address anything I've stated with anything resembling a fact. Letting emotions cloud your judgment because you can't accept you live an unsustainable lifestyle with cheap oil. Typical American.

Philip Francis Queeg: bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: If Israel really wanted to assist the US on non proliferation issues they would become signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty themselves.

Is antagonizing an adversarial country always a good thing?

Kind of a moot point isn't it, since the common belief is that they already have them?

And you don't taunt the nuclear dynamite monkey, but Iran isn't the nuclear dynamite monkey yet. They don't even have M-80s at this point.

Gee, do you think that might be the farking motivation for Iran to want the farking bomb to begin with?

Any nation that wants to be the master of their own destiny wants the farking bomb.

Hobodeluxe: according to intelligent comment below these people didn't want Iraq invaded.
Despite all the money Israel poured into the "think tanks" like PNAC and lobbyists like AIPAC to produce those results.

it was all a big coincidence that a couple dozen prominent neocons found their way into the Bush administration before 9/11
that their desire for an invasion of Iraq was their mission statement in the years preceding the Bush admin was all a big coincidence too.

the last thing they wanted was this to happen right "intelligent comment below"? Remember how hard they all lobbied to try and stop the Iraq war?
no you don't you revisionist fark.


What do war mongering conservative neocons have to do with Israel pulling the strings? Your picture there shows who pulls the strings, right wing conservatives and their big business allies who all want cheap oil. Thanks for proving my point, now go back to studying for your high school history class.

DavidVincent: Geotpf: My personal opinion is that we should tell the Israelis (and the Palenstians, and the Saudis, and everybody else in the region) to go play in traffic, withdraw completely from the region, and write HERE THERE BE DRAGONS on all maps. The Middle East has Christian holy sites, oil, and lots of crazy people who want to kill each other (and us, by extension). The value of the first two is less than the cost of dealing with the third. Besides, it's not like we have to actually go over there to buy their oil-whoever is in power will be perfectly willing to sell it to us no matter what (or are at least willing to sell it to people who are willing to sell it to us).


I don't see every other nation in the world with military bases over there fighting wars to get their oil. Can't we just buy it like everyone else?

Exactly my point. But, no, the crazy Evangelicals think the Jews have to control all of ancient Israel before the rapture can happen (or some such shiat), so here we are.

intelligent comment below: DavidVincent: You say American as if you are not one. What country are you a citizen of/living in?


Can't debate my words so you have to change the subject. Why don't you call me black and post a picture of a monkey like you usually do. But don't call you a racist.

Herp the Derp brah.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: If Israel really wanted to assist the US on non proliferation issues they would become signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty themselves.

Is antagonizing an adversarial country always a good thing?

Kind of a moot point isn't it, since the common belief is that they already have them?

And you don't taunt the nuclear dynamite monkey, but Iran isn't the nuclear dynamite monkey yet. They don't even have M-80s at this point.

Gee, do you think that might be the farking motivation for Iran to want the farking bomb to begin with?

Any nation that wants to be the master of their own destiny wants the farking bomb.

So then how does farking with Iran benefit the US again?

Geotpf: Exactly my point. But, no, the crazy Evangelicals think the Jews have to control all of ancient Israel before the rapture can happen (or some such shiat), so here we are.


Power hungry people always hide their true intentions in rhetoric they think can trick their supporters. Using Biblical excuses is just that, an excuse to hide their true intentions. The fact is right wingers couldn't care less about Jews or Israel. Just look at how their savior Ronald Raygun reacted after the IDF bombed Saddam's nuclear plants and how they told Israel to sit around while Saddam was sending scud missile attacks during the Gulf War.

bhcompy: Philip Francis Queeg: How does assassinating a Hamas operative directly benefit the United States?

Regarding the Hamas case, nothing directly, but Israel also farks with Iran on a regular basis, which does help us out.

How does farking with Iran help the US? Without outside farking Iran could well be on it way towards being a Western Democracy. Outside farking only empowers the local fundamentalists who actually have external devils to point to.

The Neo-Cons, the Israeli right, and Muslim fundamentalists all need clearly evil opponents and if they didn't have them they would create them. Why do you think OBL attacked the US?

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: you keep saying that but that's not what the goal was. the goal was to prop up friendly regimes that would be under the watchful eyes of permanent military bases placed in those countries. to remove Hussein and the Taliban from power. To put US (and Israel by proxy) in charge of the region. And make no mistake Iran is next on the list and you know it you disingenuous troll.


Because giving democracy to those countries will really create US and Israel "friendly" regimes. What exactly did the Taliban and Saddam do to threaten Israel? Absolutely nothing. Saddam learned his lesson not to mess with Israel on the 7th of June, 1981.

Keep with the insults and personal attacks, it shows how intelligent you really are to not address anything I've stated with anything resembling a fact. Letting emotions cloud your judgment because you can't accept you live an unsustainable lifestyle with cheap oil. Typical American.

oh bullshiat. you're the one who started with the condescension and name calling. as for Saddam threatening Israel post 1981 I suppose all those scuds he fired at them in the early 90's were peace offerings? Or his paying benefits to Palestinian suicide bomber's families were a show of support for Israel's occupation of Palestine? Now you want to tell me about how all those editorials by prominent neocons on the AIPAC payroll urging invasion of Iraq were actually against the invasion? That the misinformation fed to Judith Miller by Wolfowitz, the use of lies bought and paid for by Feith and his buddies coming from Curveball and Chalabi were just happenstance?
really?

Geotpf: DavidVincent: Geotpf: My personal opinion is that we should tell the Israelis (and the Palenstians, and the Saudis, and everybody else in the region) to go play in traffic, withdraw completely from the region, and write HERE THERE BE DRAGONS on all maps. The Middle East has Christian holy sites, oil, and lots of crazy people who want to kill each other (and us, by extension). The value of the first two is less than the cost of dealing with the third. Besides, it's not like we have to actually go over there to buy their oil-whoever is in power will be perfectly willing to sell it to us no matter what (or are at least willing to sell it to people who are willing to sell it to us).


I don't see every other nation in the world with military bases over there fighting wars to get their oil. Can't we just buy it like everyone else?

Exactly my point. But, no, the crazy Evangelicals think the Jews have to control all of ancient Israel before the rapture can happen (or some such shiat), so here we are.


I couldn't resist the little joke but we agree.