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(Some Guy)   US-Israel Security Cooperation Act passes almost unanimously. "Try as I might, I can't think of a single thing this "ally" has ever done for me, or any other American citizen, in my 57 years"   (lewrockwell.com) divider line 379
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2012-05-15 11:59:40 AM
Easy, submitter, they refer to us as cattle and make us fight their wars while picking on weaker nation-states without weapons.

So in short, they do their part to keep American weapon manufacturing in business.
 
2012-05-15 12:00:22 PM
without = with our

/spellcheck sucks
 
2012-05-15 12:10:33 PM
 
2012-05-15 12:12:53 PM
On the plus side, I never have to worry about running into Tats at the supermarket...
 
2012-05-15 12:16:40 PM
 
2012-05-15 12:20:15 PM
EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

FTFL: "Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen."

Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.
 
2012-05-15 12:23:12 PM
Jubeebee: Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.

are you saying those things aren't true? and OH MY!!! National Pride! I guess that makes him neo-con or something.
 
2012-05-15 12:23:28 PM
Jubeebee: EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

FTFL: "Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen."

Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.


Wow. They didn't even try to make that look legit.
 
2012-05-15 12:25:12 PM
logistic: Easy, submitter, they refer to us as cattle and make us fight their wars while picking on weaker nation-states without weapons.

So in short, they do their part to keep American weapon manufacturing in business.


You mean the $3 billion a year we give them to buy weapons with?
 
2012-05-15 12:26:28 PM
Jubeebee: EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

FTFL: "Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen."

Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.


And they have so much oil!
 
2012-05-15 12:30:06 PM
EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

Those all appear to be things that benefit the world, and Israel.

What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?
 
2012-05-15 12:30:49 PM
 
2012-05-15 12:35:01 PM
EatTheWorld: Jubeebee: Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.

are you saying those things aren't true? and OH MY!!! National Pride! I guess that makes him neo-con or something.


Explain how things like "Israel has the highest number of museums per capita in the world." benefit the USA.
 
2012-05-15 12:37:14 PM
Sabra is pretty decent hummus.
 
2012-05-15 12:37:58 PM
Marcus Aurelius: You mean the $3 billion a year we give them to buy weapons with?

That number is not the sum total given.

Here is just some thats left out.


Congress also exempts Israel from the usual requirement that all its military aid be spent on US hardware. The exemption, which allows Israel to spend about 25 percent of US military aid within its own defense industry, has helped make Israel one of the largest arms exporters in the world. CSMonitor

In addition, the military funding for Israel is handled differently than it is for other countries. Israel's $3 billion is put almost immediately into an interest-bearing account with the Federal Reserve Bank. The interest, collected by Israel on its military aid balance, is used to pay down debt from earlier Israeli non-guaranteed loans from the United States.
Another unique aspect of the assistance package is that about 25 percent of it can be used to buy arms from Israeli companies. No other country has that privilege, according to a September 2010 CRS report.
Look for a minute at the bizarre formula that has become an element of U.S.-Israel military aid, the so-called qualitative military edge (QME). Enshrined in congressional legislation, it requires certification that any proposed arms sale to any other country in the Middle East "will not adversely affect Israel's qualitative military edge over military threats to Israel."
For example, the threat to both countries from Iran led the Saudis in 2010 to begin negotiations to purchase advanced F-15 fighters. In turn, Israel - using $2.75 billion in American military assistance - has been allowed to buy 20 of the new F-35 fifth-generation stealth fighters being developed by the United States and eight other nations.
(See this post)
Another military program, called U.S. War Reserves Stocks for Allies, begun in the 1980s, allows the United States to store arms and equipment on Israeli bases for use in wartime. In the 1990s, the arrangement was expanded to allow Israel to use the weapons, but only with U.S. permission. During the 2006 war against Hezbollah in Lebanon, the United States gave permission for Israel to use stored cluster artillery shells to counter rocket attacks. The use drew international complaints because the rockets struck civilian rather than military areas.
The initial limit was $100 million worth of stored missiles, armored vehicles and artillery munitions, but that has increased over time. It reached $800 million in 2010, $1 billion this year and by 2012, it is expected to grow to $1.2 billion. Washington Post

(See this article Emergency stockpiles in Israel meant for storing US army equipment in Middle East opened in Israel's favor during last Lebanon war)

Smaller miscellaneous items like Tax-Exempt Funds Aid Settlements in West Bank are also such items that go beyond the ~$3bn figure. Theres other items, like when US purchases (thats right, purchases) $700 million dollars worth of arms from Israel - which is "not part of Israel's annual defense aid from the United States."
 
2012-05-15 12:43:20 PM
EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

Those mostly appear to be Israel's contributions to Israel.
 
2012-05-15 12:43:54 PM
Jubeebee: FTFL: "Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen."

Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.


Iceland is the most beautiful country I have ever seen. Can we pass a US-Iceland Act of some sort?
 
2012-05-15 12:45:43 PM
Lionel Mandrake: What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east. Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

What if Israel never existed?Would the Muslim world be singing Kumbaya and be a nation of similar education, values, and accomplishment? Or would it be another tyrant keeping his people locked in the middle ages? I think the latter. That's not good for us.

And I personally believe freedom is the best thing to advance human civilization that has ever occurred. The more people that live in freedom, and demonstrate the superiority over any other tried governance, the more people will follow, and maybe one day we all will be free. yea. go ahead and destroy me now for a being a... whatever. I'm a sap. But I know i'm right too.
 
2012-05-15 12:46:59 PM
timujin: Those mostly appear to be Israel's contributions to Israel.

right, because you have never benefited from any of those technologies.
 
2012-05-15 12:47:21 PM
Jubeebee: EatTheWorld: Jubeebee: Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.

are you saying those things aren't true? and OH MY!!! National Pride! I guess that makes him neo-con or something.

Explain how things like "Israel has the highest number of museums per capita in the world." benefit the USA.


Because some US Americans don't have access to the museum and such as the Iraqs and South America. Also shut up. You're anti-Semitic.
 
2012-05-15 12:48:47 PM
sweetmelissa31: Can we pass a US-Iceland Act of some sort?

yea, its called NATO
 
2012-05-15 12:57:20 PM
EatTheWorld: we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east. Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

...because of our relationship with Israel.
 
2012-05-15 01:03:17 PM
Israel did give us ICQ.
 
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2012-05-15 01:07:01 PM
EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

To the world? How are any of those things contributions to the world?
 
2012-05-15 01:07:04 PM
EatTheWorld: Lionel Mandrake: What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east. Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

What if Israel never existed?Would the Muslim world be singing Kumbaya and be a nation of similar education, values, and accomplishment? Or would it be another tyrant keeping his people locked in the middle ages? I think the latter. That's not good for us.

And I personally believe freedom is the best thing to advance human civilization that has ever occurred. The more people that live in freedom, and demonstrate the superiority over any other tried governance, the more people will follow, and maybe one day we all will be free. yea. go ahead and destroy me now for a being a... whatever. I'm a sap. But I know i'm right too.


An ally of great importance??

I ask again, what has Israel done for us?
 
2012-05-15 01:08:16 PM
Lionel Mandrake: EatTheWorld: Lionel Mandrake: What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east. Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

What if Israel never existed?Would the Muslim world be singing Kumbaya and be a nation of similar education, values, and accomplishment? Or would it be another tyrant keeping his people locked in the middle ages? I think the latter. That's not good for us.

And I personally believe freedom is the best thing to advance human civilization that has ever occurred. The more people that live in freedom, and demonstrate the superiority over any other tried governance, the more people will follow, and maybe one day we all will be free. yea. go ahead and destroy me now for a being a... whatever. I'm a sap. But I know i'm right too.

An ally of great importance??

I ask again, what has Israel done for us?


I wouldn't ask this question of him any longer. He seems to think that Israelis enjoy freedom.
 
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2012-05-15 01:09:04 PM
Treygreen13: Does this count?

Sure, they fought the six day war all for us.
 
2012-05-15 01:10:28 PM
EatTheWorld: timujin: Those mostly appear to be Israel's contributions to Israel.

right, because you have never benefited from any of those technologies.


1. "mostly".. things like per capita income, computers or museums don't benefit me
2. Things like "your processor was most likely made in Israel" doesn't mean I benefited me any more from Israel than my phone being made in China means I benefited from China. The company that made them benefited.
 
2012-05-15 01:12:32 PM
It'd be a lot easier if we just moved all the Israelis over here and gave them their own state
 
2012-05-15 01:14:31 PM
I dunno. Natalie Portman's got kind of a nice caboose.
 
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2012-05-15 01:23:23 PM
EatTheWorld: Lionel Mandrake: What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east. Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

What if Israel never existed?Would the Muslim world be singing Kumbaya and be a nation of similar education, values, and accomplishment? Or would it be another tyrant keeping his people locked in the middle ages? I think the latter. That's not good for us.

And I personally believe freedom is the best thing to advance human civilization that has ever occurred. The more people that live in freedom, and demonstrate the superiority over any other tried governance, the more people will follow, and maybe one day we all will be free. yea. go ahead and destroy me now for a being a... whatever. I'm a sap. But I know i'm right too.


Of great importance to you obviously, but not to the USA as a whole.

There is nothing wrong with supporting Democratic governments in the world, we don't support anyone to the extent we support Israel.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't help the from a humanitarian point of view, but portraying Israel as some sort of vital ally that rely on is simply nonsense.
 
2012-05-15 01:37:42 PM
Falwell's tentacles go deep in Congress.

Even today, his disciples wind their way through the halls of power, demanding we support Israel because the End Times are coming.

Israel is of course not going to turn down the offer of aid from one of the most powerful countries on Earth, even if that support is based on the eventual prophesied destruction of Israel, because they don't believe in the same myths.
 
2012-05-15 01:37:51 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: It'd be a lot easier if we just moved all the Israelis over here and gave them their own state

I vote Arizona. They're already used to the desert and to passing restrictive laws that unfairly target people of the ethnicity that lived there before them.
 
2012-05-15 01:38:11 PM
Their love to bulldoze neighborhoods and burn children with White Prosperous, but other than that they are a swell bunch of guys.

Fight your own damn wars.
 
2012-05-15 01:40:29 PM
Lionel Mandrake: EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

Those all appear to be things that benefit the world, and Israel.

What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant (in southern California's Mojave desert).


That's not bad.
 
2012-05-15 01:40:39 PM
Israel is like a bug zapper for fundie muslims, you put it out at the other side of the yard away from your patio.
 
2012-05-15 01:40:59 PM
Corporate Self: Their love to bulldoze neighborhoods and burn children with white phosphorous, but other than that they are a swell bunch of guys.

Fight your own damn wars.


/correction and citation
 
2012-05-15 01:41:21 PM
Corporate Self: Their love to bulldoze neighborhoods and burn children with White Prosperous, but other than that they are a swell bunch of guys.

Fight your own damn wars.


I don't think the Palestinians call it that. More like Brown Poverty.
 
2012-05-15 01:42:51 PM
Jubeebee: EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

FTFL: "Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen."

Thank you for posting that tough, fair, objective look at US/Israeli relations.


Holy Aquabuddha, that looks like something Kim Jong-Il would say.
 
2012-05-15 01:43:11 PM
Israel is not a US ally. We have no treaty of alliance with them. We have no obligation to come to their defense, nor do they to come to ours. Calling them an ally, let alone our best or closest ally, is an insult to our actual allies around the world.
 
2012-05-15 01:44:14 PM
Chameleon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It'd be a lot easier if we just moved all the Israelis over here and gave them their own state

I vote Arizona. They're already used to the desert and to passing restrictive laws that unfairly target people of the ethnicity that lived there before them.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too

/we could rename it Ariziona
 
2012-05-15 01:44:53 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: It'd be a lot easier if we just moved all the Israelis over here and gave them their own state

But what about all those old building that are super important because Jesus took a dump there?
 
2012-05-15 01:45:10 PM
Tarkus: Israel did give us ICQ.

So when do we send the bombers?

/kidding...
 
2012-05-15 01:45:16 PM
EatTheWorld: wrongo : Isreal contibutions to the world

So they've developed tech. Big deal, I want to see what they have done as an "ally". I want to see where they have returned the amount of military or financial support that we have given them. I want to see how many troops they sent to Iraq, for example. Seems like all they do is taunt other countries, fly into their airspace and bomb their nuke plants and then hope that we threaten these other countries so that they won't retaliate.
 
2012-05-15 01:45:40 PM
EatTheWorld: I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east.

No, they're not. They don't have our level of religious freedom, they don't abide by our Constitution, and they are prone to pick fights with their neighbors. I guess you could claim some kinship based on the fact that they treat the Palestinians the way we treated the Native Americans, but I don't see that as particularly flattering to either party.
 
2012-05-15 01:47:15 PM
EatTheWorld: Lionel Mandrake: What has the USA gotten for supporting Israel?

we get an ally of great importance. I mean they are practically a US state in the middle east.


They should pay taxes then.

Surrounded by people that hate them and us.

They mainly hate us for supporting Israel.

What if Israel never existed?Would the Muslim world be singing Kumbaya and be a nation of similar education, values, and accomplishment? Or would it be another tyrant keeping his people locked in the middle ages? I think the latter. That's not good for us.

That's what the world is today and Israel exists.
 
2012-05-15 01:48:52 PM
9. Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

So why do they need our aide again?
 
2012-05-15 01:49:57 PM
Your blog sucks
 
2012-05-15 01:50:29 PM
Headso: Israel is like a bug zapper for fundie muslims, you put it out at the other side of the yard away from your patio.

This is a perfect analogy, especially when you consider how many jihadists are literally self-destructing when they reach it.
 
2012-05-15 01:51:13 PM
I love how Zionists quickly jump to "but Israel does this, and gives us that!" We don't want Israel to go away.

We want you to start treating the Palestinians with the same pity and respect the world showed your people after WW2. You seem to want to do to the Palestinians what Germany was trying to do to you.

Quit being expansionist assholes and make peace. The Palestinians are not going anywhere.
 
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