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(My San Antonio)   What does a judge say to a 26-year-old who abandoned children to have sex with a 13-year old? a) life without parole. b) chemical castration. c) if you were male, I'd send you to prison, but instead here's a little probation   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 168
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2012-05-15 12:21:09 PM  
This is supposedly the perp. Just to enhance the discussion.

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2012-05-15 12:26:10 PM  
Luckiest 13 year old EVAR
 
2012-05-15 12:26:34 PM  
I'd hit it
 
2012-05-15 12:27:07 PM  
If I was 13 and that showed up, if that is her. I would have stuck my dick in crazy over and over.
 
2012-05-15 12:27:28 PM  
JUSTICE IS BLIND!

/except when it's not
 
2012-05-15 12:28:11 PM  
Headline: +1.
 
2012-05-15 12:28:18 PM  
Well Gol-lly
 
2012-05-15 12:28:23 PM  
TFA: Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Of course that kid doesn't want her to go to prison. She probably made him a GOD among his peers.

If the victim had been a 13-year-old girl, on the other hand, clearly the perp should go to prison for turning her into a whore and ruining her for life.

I'd call it a "double-standard", but this particular phenomenon is so ubiquitous that I think it transcends that simple descriptor. We definitely need a new word for it... a nice catchy neologism that politicians and pundits can throw around?
 
2012-05-15 12:28:27 PM  
But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation,

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-gets-probati on-for-sex-with-underage-3558020.php#ixzz1uxMWOU00


I'd say she's been punished worse than a guy would have
 
2012-05-15 12:29:09 PM  
Niiice!
 
2012-05-15 12:29:24 PM  
Obvious tag in prison?
 
2012-05-15 12:30:00 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation,

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-gets-probati on-for-sex-with-underage-3558020.php#ixzz1uxMWOU00


I'd say she's been punished worse than a guy would have


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2012-05-15 12:30:01 PM  

Lukeonia1: TFA: Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Of course that kid doesn't want her to go to prison. She probably made him a GOD among his peers.

If the victim had been a 13-year-old girl, on the other hand, clearly the perp should go to prison for turning her into a whore and ruining her for life.

I'd call it a "double-standard", but this particular phenomenon is so ubiquitous that I think it transcends that simple descriptor. We definitely need a new word for it... a nice catchy neologism that politicians and pundits can throw around?


It exists: sexism.
 
2012-05-15 12:30:40 PM  
"Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax."


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2012-05-15 12:32:28 PM  

Masterstuff: [not_sure_if_serious.jpg]


I think, this is just a guess, that normally when it's a man who is the perp the "victim's" family is screaming bloody murder for jail time. She pretty much has already ruined her life and the kid's family doesn't think she needs anymore, so the judge takes that into consideration when sentencing. When a guy is being charged and everyone wants him hung by his neck, the judge takes that into consideration.

Plus she didn't rape anyone.
 
2012-05-15 12:33:50 PM  
I can't remember the last time I red a newspaper article without a spelling mistake. This may play a roll in the declining influence of newspapers on American society.
 
2012-05-15 12:35:00 PM  

Lukeonia1: TFA: Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Of course that kid doesn't want her to go to prison. She probably made him a GOD among his peers.


He probably promised to cut all the neighbourhood lawns, incidentally including hers, every week for the next five years if his parents would go with the probation thing.
 
2012-05-15 12:35:26 PM  

proteus_b: I can't remember the last time I red a newspaper article without a spelling mistake. This may play a roll in the declining influence of newspapers on American society.


ROFL
 
2012-05-15 12:35:32 PM  
It's almost like there's a distinct difference between an adult female having sex with an underage male and an adult male having sex with an underage female....
 
2012-05-15 12:35:51 PM  
First of all... NICE

Second of all, can we stop pretending that the law is equal for everyone? I would hope that a man in a similar situation would cite this case during his sentencing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander etc.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:04 PM  
Nabors banging neighbors -- when will the madness end? Story at eleven.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:34 PM  

Tat'dGreaser:

Plus she didn't rape anyone.


By law she did.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:40 PM  
Prosecutors had recommended prison for Amanda Ann Nabers, 26, who will have to register as a sex offender for life.

But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation, defense attorney Carlos Martinez told state District Judge Juanita Vasquez-Gardner.

Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax.

Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.


Yeah, got away scot-free. *eye roll*

Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:53 PM  

Lukeonia1: TFA: Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Of course that kid doesn't want her to go to prison. She probably made him a GOD among his peers.

If the victim had been a 13-year-old girl, on the other hand, clearly the perp should go to prison for turning her into a whore and ruining her for life.

I'd call it a "double-standard", but this particular phenomenon is so ubiquitous that I think it transcends that simple descriptor. We definitely need a new word for it... a nice catchy neologism that politicians and pundits can throw around?


"Patriarchy"?
 
2012-05-15 12:37:11 PM  

pudgyv: By law she did.


That was meant to be a troll. Like you know how lesbian sex is actually just foreplay?
 
2012-05-15 12:37:27 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: the judge takes that into consideration


Oh, is that how justice works? I thought it was all about treating everyone equally, without regard to how the mob feels.
 
2012-05-15 12:37:34 PM  

proteus_b: I can't remember the last time I red a newspaper article without a spelling mistake. This may play a roll in the declining influence of newspapers on American society.


what you did there ... O-O
 
2012-05-15 12:38:32 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation,

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-gets-probati on-for-sex-with-underage-3558020.php#ixzz1uxMWOU00


I'd say she's been punished worse than a guy would have


Well, yeah. Everyone knows that taking a way a guy's children and wife isn't really punishment, and everyone knows that if you take away a guy's house and job, it just motivates him to get BIGGER and BETTER ones.

Because penises are awesome like that.
 
2012-05-15 12:38:53 PM  

Lukeonia1: Oh, is that how justice works? I thought it was all about treating everyone equally, without regard to how the mob feels.


Actually yes, the judge uses many factors when making a decision.
 
2012-05-15 12:39:02 PM  

hdhale: Prosecutors had recommended prison for Amanda Ann Nabers, 26, who will have to register as a sex offender for life.

But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation, defense attorney Carlos Martinez told state District Judge Juanita Vasquez-Gardner.

Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax.

Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Yeah, got away scot-free. *eye roll*

Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.


25.media.tumblr.com

Premature-ejaculaaaaaaaaaation pocket!
 
2012-05-15 12:39:34 PM  
This is why you gals only get to earn 70% of our income. Both Civil and Criminal courts hold you to different standards.....don't get me started on crying yourself out of traffic tickets.
 
2012-05-15 12:39:42 PM  
"the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said."

So you can bribe a cop with a large donut, but for a judge it's a large roll.
 
2012-05-15 12:39:46 PM  

ialdabaoth: Well, yeah. Everyone knows that taking a way a guy's children and wife isn't really punishment, and everyone knows that if you take away a guy's house and job, it just motivates him to get BIGGER and BETTER ones.

Because penises are awesome like that.


Well to turn that around, a guy would probably have a better chance to get back on his feet.

Also if you don't want this to happen to you then don't f*ck a 13 year old girl.
 
2012-05-15 12:40:14 PM  

Lukeonia1: Tat'dGreaser: the judge takes that into consideration

Oh, is that how justice works? I thought it was all about treating everyone equally, without regard to how the mob feels.


You can't treat every one equally because every crime has different circumstances. So, in short, your understanding of the matter is incorrect.
 
2012-05-15 12:40:17 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Masterstuff: [not_sure_if_serious.jpg]

I think, this is just a guess, that normally when it's a man who is the perp the "victim's" family is screaming bloody murder for jail time. She pretty much has already ruined her life and the kid's family doesn't think she needs anymore, so the judge takes that into consideration when sentencing. When a guy is being charged and everyone wants him hung by his neck, the judge takes that into consideration.

Plus she didn't rape anyone.


You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?
 
2012-05-15 12:40:18 PM  
They should really be prosecuting the man that drove her to do such a dastardly thing.
 
2012-05-15 12:41:46 PM  
She must have a thing for peach fuzz.
 
2012-05-15 12:41:47 PM  
www.thecornercafe.com

"Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said."

Mmm, hot, buttery sex rolls...
 
2012-05-15 12:42:04 PM  

Nels: Tat'dGreaser: Masterstuff: [not_sure_if_serious.jpg]

I think, this is just a guess, that normally when it's a man who is the perp the "victim's" family is screaming bloody murder for jail time. She pretty much has already ruined her life and the kid's family doesn't think she needs anymore, so the judge takes that into consideration when sentencing. When a guy is being charged and everyone wants him hung by his neck, the judge takes that into consideration.

Plus she didn't rape anyone.

You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?


What's the deal with farkers who use words even though they clearly don't know what they mean?
 
2012-05-15 12:42:05 PM  

Nels: You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?


No am I not. I'm talking about the idea that this is a case of women receiving less punishment than men. This woman's life is over, period. The judge recognizes that and is not giving her jail time on top of that.

Apparently everyone here wants a free reign to f*ck 13 year old girls.
 
2012-05-15 12:43:08 PM  
goldderby.latimes.com

Well, golly!
 
2012-05-15 12:43:35 PM  

hdhale: Yeah, got away scot-free. *eye roll*

Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.


Unless you have been in jail and know what she missed out on, I would have to say that she did indeed got away with a very mild slap on the wrist.

These things you included, are merrily consequences to being a dumbarse and well deserve them, as these are NOT consequences over the criminal act she did.

Again, the fact that if she would have been man with the identical circumstances, he's be getting ready to be someone's girlfriend... which is simply wrong. Same crime should be equal consequences.
 
2012-05-15 12:45:04 PM  

imfallen_angel: hese things you included, are merrily consequences


Life is but a dream?
 
2012-05-15 12:45:41 PM  

Lukeonia1: Tat'dGreaser: the judge takes that into consideration

Oh, is that how justice works? I thought it was all about treating everyone equally, without regard to how the mob feels.


Tat'dGreaser: ialdabaoth: Well, yeah. Everyone knows that taking a way a guy's children and wife isn't really punishment, and everyone knows that if you take away a guy's house and job, it just motivates him to get BIGGER and BETTER ones.

Because penises are awesome like that.

Well to turn that around, a guy would probably have a better chance to get back on his feet.

Also if you don't want this to happen to you then don't f*ck a 13 year old girl.



What happens if a 26 year old woman fraks a 13 yo girl?
 
2012-05-15 12:45:43 PM  
Where does she teach?
 
2012-05-15 12:46:22 PM  

imfallen_angel: Again, the fact that if she would have been man with the identical circumstances, he's be getting ready to be someone's girlfriend... which is simply wrong. Same crime should be equal consequences.


But it isn't the "same crime". Each crime is a unique set of circumstances and there are many factors that are taken into consideration.
 
2012-05-15 12:46:52 PM  

proteus_b: I can't remember the last time I red a newspaper article without a spelling mistake. This may play a roll in the declining influence of newspapers on American society.


Nice try?
 
2012-05-15 12:46:57 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Nels: You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?

No am I not. I'm talking about the idea that this is a case of women receiving less punishment than men. This woman's life is over, period. The judge recognizes that and is not giving her jail time on top of that.

Apparently everyone here wants a free reign to f*ck 13 year old girls.


I just read that you said the part about it not being rape being a troll, which is what I was referring to. However, it's so common on Fark for people to justify their habit of sexualizing children that I just saw it as face value.

Evidence:

jst3p: Nels: Tat'dGreaser: Masterstuff: [not_sure_if_serious.jpg]

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?

What's the deal with farkers who use words even though they clearly don't know what they mean?


He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.
 
2012-05-15 12:47:13 PM  
Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark
 
2012-05-15 12:47:17 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Nels: You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?

No am I not. I'm talking about the idea that this is a case of women receiving less punishment than men. This woman's life is over, period. The judge recognizes that and is not giving her jail time on top of that.

Apparently everyone here wants a free reign to f*ck 13 year old girls.


Everyone here wants an explanation that justifies the sentence when at least part of it is predicated on the presence of ovaries in the offender. I can guarantee that under the exact same scenario a man would have at minimum a 5-10 year stay in the slammer. That's the part that isn't right.
 
2012-05-15 12:47:26 PM  

ialdabaoth: I'd say she's been punished worse than a guy would have

Well, yeah. Everyone knows that taking a way a guy's children and wife isn't really punishment, and everyone knows that if you take away a guy's house and job, it just motivates him to get BIGGER and BETTER ones.

Because penises are awesome like that.


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
 
2012-05-15 12:47:49 PM  
who admitted to Child Protective Services investigators that she left her children unsupervised to go have sex with a 13-year-old neighbor


couldn't have said that you went out for a pack of smokes?
 
2012-05-15 12:48:23 PM  

Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.


I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.
 
2012-05-15 12:49:39 PM  
"...the trysts took place four or five times..."

So much for 13 going into 26 twice.
 
2012-05-15 12:50:02 PM  

hiker9999: Lukeonia1: Tat'dGreaser: the judge takes that into consideration

Oh, is that how justice works? I thought it was all about treating everyone equally, without regard to how the mob feels.

Tat'dGreaser: ialdabaoth: Well, yeah. Everyone knows that taking a way a guy's children and wife isn't really punishment, and everyone knows that if you take away a guy's house and job, it just motivates him to get BIGGER and BETTER ones.

Because penises are awesome like that.

Well to turn that around, a guy would probably have a better chance to get back on his feet.

Also if you don't want this to happen to you then don't f*ck a 13 year old girl.


What happens if a 26 year old woman fraks a 13 yo girl?


www.reactionface.info
 
2012-05-15 12:50:13 PM  

dryknife: "...the trysts took place four or five times..."

So much for 13 going into 26 twice.


Bravo!
 
2012-05-15 12:50:30 PM  

jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.


I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it. Just get therapy before you go and harm any kids.
 
2012-05-15 12:51:23 PM  

hiker9999: What happens if a 26 year old woman fraks a 13 yo girl?


Then it's just foreplay

Nels: I just read that you said the part about it not being rape being a troll, which is what I was referring to. However, it's so common on Fark for people to justify their habit of sexualizing children that I just saw it as face value.


Oh yea, that's why it's a troll. It's a pretty ridiculous statement

Representative of the unwashed masses: Everyone here wants an explanation that justifies the sentence when at least part of it is predicated on the presence of ovaries in the offender. I can guarantee that under the exact same scenario a man would have at minimum a 5-10 year stay in the slammer. That's the part that isn't right.


Well unless you have an exactly identical case but with a man, than we can't compare. What I'm getting at is based on the circumstances which include the parents of the alleged victim asking for just parole, that is why the judge ruled as he/she did.
 
2012-05-15 12:56:14 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.


It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-15 12:56:42 PM  
Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

This is stupid. If the kid was old enough to have a valid opinion it wouldn't be a flippin' crime in the first place. Way to think clearly, your honor.
 
2012-05-15 12:56:50 PM  

EngineerBoy: [www.thecornercafe.com image 640x480]

"Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said."

Mmm, hot, buttery sex rolls...


Haha I love fark. I kind of think you're awesome right now and won't apologize for that.
 
2012-05-15 12:56:56 PM  

The Asshole Guy: If I was 13 and that showed up, if that is her. I would have stuck my dick in crazy over and over.


Dude you are only seeing a picture from the tits up. Everything from the tits down could be a complete disaster.
 
2012-05-15 12:57:31 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: pudgyv: By law she did.

That was meant to be a troll. Like you know how lesbian sex is actually just foreplay?


Oh, my bad. I just woke up. Retired, you know. ;-)
 
2012-05-15 01:04:20 PM  

ongbok: The Asshole Guy: If I was 13 and that showed up, if that is her. I would have stuck my dick in crazy over and over.

Dude you are only seeing a picture from the tits up. Everything from the tits down could be a complete disaster.


Sexually attractive people problems.
 
2012-05-15 01:06:11 PM  
"high on marijuana and Xanax"?/

more like high on chamomile and Fish Oil

i do realize xanax is addictive but it's proper medicine. not something people get "high" on.
 
2012-05-15 01:06:17 PM  

jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.

It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.


No, son. It's just that no one gives a shiat that you prefer slightly older children vs slightly younger or that you pretend that you're "really in love". Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society. Given that it's a living language, actual use trumps specific denotations.

So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.
 
2012-05-15 01:08:24 PM  

Nels: So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.


Pfft she was way hotter when she was younger.

*the actress in the photo is currently 16*
 
2012-05-15 01:08:29 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: "high on marijuana and Xanax"?/

more like high on chamomile and Fish Oil

i do realize xanax is addictive but it's proper medicine. not something people get "high" on.


The only people I run into who claim to get messed up from Xanax usually mix alcohol with it. And they don't have anxiety problems to begin with. I always find it funny when people find out I take Xanax and ask: "How does it make you feel?" "Well, normal". Either way, unless she's taking like huge doses yeah it's hard to imagine getting much from it.
 
2012-05-15 01:09:02 PM  

Beluga Heights: ongbok: The Asshole Guy: If I was 13 and that showed up, if that is her. I would have stuck my dick in crazy over and over.

Dude you are only seeing a picture from the tits up. Everything from the tits down could be a complete disaster.

Sexually attractive people problems.


This.

No Sharpie and no mustache? That's at least a '7' for a San Antonio chica!

Self-drugging for bonus points, too.
 
2012-05-15 01:11:13 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.

It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.


No, son. It's just that no one gives a shiat that you prefer slightly older children vs slightly younger or that you pretend that you're "really in love". Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society. Given that it's a living language, actual use trumps specific denotations.

So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.


It amazes me that the fact that I am correcting you means, in your mind, that I must be defending having sex with teens. Your mind is pretty warped. And these are medical terms, they aren't subject to "it's a living language so I am free to misuse it". I don't know you, but based on your comments in this thread I am convinced you are pretty stupid.
 
2012-05-15 01:13:21 PM  
Tat'dGreaser Nels: You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?

No am I not. I'm talking about the idea that this is a case of women receiving less punishment than men. This woman's life is over, period. The judge recognizes that and is not giving her jail time on top of that.

Apparently everyone here wants a free reign to f*ck 13 year old girls.


I think the point was no one was FORCABLY raped. Huge difference.
My point is that she should have been sentensed to jail until she is no longer hot. As this sentense was handed down, she can just go out and find a horny guy with a paycheck (30% larger than she could get) to supply her with Xanax and pot. Then she will just be a typical house whore. Where is the punishment in that?

/Troll allert ** Troll allert ** Troll Allert!!!!!
 
2012-05-15 01:13:52 PM  

Nels: Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society.


I just had to highlight this bit again. Really? It is your contention that this term now encompasses all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society? There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin. While at work, do you ask people if they want fries with their burger?
 
2012-05-15 01:15:42 PM  

thebigfarker: I think the point was no one was FORCABLY raped. Huge difference.


What you mean is, it wasn't "rape" rape.

cdn.media.theview.tv
 
2012-05-15 01:16:45 PM  

hdhale: Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.


So, adult men who have sex with 13-year-old girls shouldn't get jail time if their personal life is in shambles and they have to register as sex offenders?
 
2012-05-15 01:17:18 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.

It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.


No, son. It's just that no one gives a shiat that you prefer slightly older children vs slightly younger or that you pretend that you're "really in love". Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society. Given that it's a living language, actual use trumps specific denotations.

So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.


So I'm butting into an argument but...it was put to me by a psychologist (in a Sociology course) that sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls is not, by definition, pedophilia. I mean, it's convenient for someone to say "you're just using psychological drivel to diddle children, pervert!" But I live in a state where 16 is the age of consent. I imagine this number was arrived at for a legitimate, rational reason and not that a good portion of American states are under the authority of NAMBLA. So, I mean, I don't see it as splitting hairs. A teenage girl can be fully developed, and damned if my brain can tell the difference. I'm not saying I sleep with girls under 21 (it's a personal rule, I'd stretch it to 19 but emergency situations only) but I'm not going to draw such a hard line because grey areas make you uncomfortable.
 
2012-05-15 01:17:38 PM  

jst3p: It amazes me that the fact that I am correcting you means, in your mind, that I must be defending having sex with teens. Your mind is pretty warped. And these are medical terms, they aren't subject to "it's a living language so I am free to misuse it". I don't know you, but based on your comments in this thread I am convinced you are pretty stupid.


You clearly obsess over the topic, like others, when everyone else is completely fine with it. We don't care what you want to label "other peoples'" disease. The term is a catch-all for scum. It's kind of like saying "I'm a grown man into My Little Pony" is code for "I have an unhealthy interest in female children."
 
2012-05-15 01:18:13 PM  
This woman is a sexual predator and should be sent to prison for the rest of her life. You've got an adult, a 13-year-old, and drug use. Shades of Roman Polanski. I don't think Polanski should be out of prison and I don't think this woman should be either. And don't give me that "oh but their lives are ruined" crap.
 
2012-05-15 01:20:48 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's almost like there's a distinct difference between an adult female having sex with an underage male and an adult male having sex with an underage female....


Some animals being more equal than others and all...
 
2012-05-15 01:20:49 PM  

Nels: jst3p: It amazes me that the fact that I am correcting you means, in your mind, that I must be defending having sex with teens. Your mind is pretty warped. And these are medical terms, they aren't subject to "it's a living language so I am free to misuse it". I don't know you, but based on your comments in this thread I am convinced you are pretty stupid.

You clearly obsess over the topic, like others, when everyone else is completely fine with it. We don't care what you want to label "other peoples'" disease. The term is a catch-all for scum. It's kind of like saying "I'm a grown man into My Little Pony" is code for "I have an unhealthy interest in female children."




Am I the pot or the kettle here. You are the one who claims to have been in this argument too many times. I am just discussing language with you, I haven't even talked about how I feel about kiddie farkers.


/hint I agree with you about farking kids, but I still think you are stupid
 
2012-05-15 01:21:30 PM  
Well it should be obvious to any reasonable person now that women simply can't be allowed to think for themselves -- it always ends in a maxed out credit card and a smiling teenage boy.
 
2012-05-15 01:22:02 PM  
If she did jail time, at least her husband would be there to raise raise the child.
 
2012-05-15 01:22:20 PM  

jst3p: imfallen_angel: Again, the fact that if she would have been man with the identical circumstances, he's be getting ready to be someone's girlfriend... which is simply wrong. Same crime should be equal consequences.

But it isn't the "same crime". Each crime is a unique set of circumstances and there are many factors that are taken into consideration.


We are talking about double standard.... she being female gets no jail time while a man would.

One of my examples is that of during my battle with the ex over the custody of the kids.

When she still had them, I did my weekend, returned with the kids to drop them off. She was so drunk that she had passed out, tried to reason with her, long story short, in front of witnesses, she punched me in the face.

Cops arrive (I contacted them).

About her assault, if I had pressed charges, she's get a warning, but the cop advised me that if, in retaliation, she stated that I hit her (regardless that I had witnesses through the whole thing), I would be arrested.... THAT's what the law is. The cops did give me the kids that evening and she was reported to the children services (yet again).

But the fact remains, the double standard is a nasty thing in this day and age.

Women have fought to be equal, then the consequences should also be equal.
 
2012-05-15 01:22:55 PM  

hdhale: Prosecutors had recommended prison for Amanda Ann Nabers, 26, who will have to register as a sex offender for life.

But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation, defense attorney Carlos Martinez told state District Judge Juanita Vasquez-Gardner.

Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax.

Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Yeah, got away scot-free. *eye roll*

Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.


So you agree that all males who do a similar crime should get a similar sentence.
 
2012-05-15 01:23:13 PM  

SDRR: JUSTICE IS BLIND!

/except when it's not

she's hot


FIFY
 
2012-05-15 01:25:03 PM  

Lukeonia1: TFA: Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Of course that kid doesn't want her to go to prison. She probably made him a GOD among his peers.

If the victim had been a 13-year-old girl, on the other hand, clearly the perp should go to prison for turning her into a whore and ruining her for life.

I'd call it a "double-standard", but this particular phenomenon is so ubiquitous that I think it transcends that simple descriptor. We definitely need a new word for it... a nice catchy neologism that politicians and pundits can throw around?


I tried, but all I could come up with is "preconsextions."
 
2012-05-15 01:27:53 PM  

Beluga Heights: Jon iz teh kewl: "high on marijuana and Xanax"?/

more like high on chamomile and Fish Oil

i do realize xanax is addictive but it's proper medicine. not something people get "high" on.

The only people I run into who claim to get messed up from Xanax usually mix alcohol with it. And they don't have anxiety problems to begin with. I always find it funny when people find out I take Xanax and ask: "How does it make you feel?" "Well, normal". Either way, unless she's taking like huge doses yeah it's hard to imagine getting much from it.


well duh. no one takes one xanax and starts trippin balls. however i took 5 at once in high school during first period and basically came to sitting on my bed in my room with no memory of the day. Apparently I drove home since my car was in the drive way. Heard from various people that I was "not myself" that day. Oh, and that I had grabbed a cheerleader's ass and wouldn't let go for a few minutes. Xanax is not to be messed with.
 
2012-05-15 01:27:55 PM  
From truman.gov, whatever that might be:

Judge Vasquez-Gardner was appointed on September 1, 2000 by then-Governor Bush to be the Judge of the 399th District Court, which presides over primarily criminal matters. She was subsequently elected to the position by Bexar County voters on November 7, 2000. Judge Vasquez-Gardner obtained her Juris Doctorate from the University of Texas at Austin School of Law; earned a Bachelor of Arts in Criminal Justice from the University of Texas at San Antonio; and graduated from Robert G. Cole Jr.-Sr. High School in Fort Sam Houston, Texas.

Prior to becoming a judge, Judge Vasquez-Gardner was an Assistant District Attorney in the Bexar County District Attorney's Office for almost eleven years. She was assigned to various sections including Misdemeanor, Family Violence, Felony, Juvenile, and Drug and Violent Crimes Task Force. During her stint as a prosecutor, she tried in excess of 100 jury trials, including Aggravated Robberies, Murders, and Capital Murders.

Judge Vasquez-Gardner has presided over countless cases while she has been on the bench, including five Capital Murders. Statistics compiled by the Bexar County District Clerk's Office indicate that for the year 2003, her court had the lowest number of pending active cases and the highest number of pleas among the criminal district courts. She considers it extremely important to treat the litigants and their clients with respect; to listen attentively; and to rule according to the law. She enjoys the reputation of being a hard working, even tempered, and reasonable judge.


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State District Judge, 399th Judicial District Court, Bexar County, Texas. Appointed by Honorable George W. Bush, Governor State of Texas, September 1, 2000 and was Elected November, 2000. Judge Vasquez-Gardner attended the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, Texas and received her Doctor of Jurisprudence degree in May 1989. Before she was a district judge she practiced law as a prosecutor in the Bexar County District Attorney's Office
 
2012-05-15 01:28:32 PM  

Beluga Heights: Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.

It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.


No, son. It's just that no one gives a shiat that you prefer slightly older children vs slightly younger or that you pretend that you're "really in love". Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society. Given that it's a living language, actual use trumps specific denotations.

So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.

So I'm butting into an argument but...it was put to me by a psychologist (in a Sociology course) that sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls is not, by definition, pedophilia. I mean, it's convenient for someone to say "you're just using psychological drivel to diddle children, pervert!" But I live in a state where 16 is the age of consent. I imagine this number was arrived at for a legitimate, rational reason and not that a good portion of American states are under the authority of NAMBLA. So, I mean, I don't see it as splitting hairs. A teenage girl can be fully developed, and damned if my brain can tell the difference. I'm not saying I sleep with girls under 21 (it's a personal rule, I'd stretch it to 19 but emergency situations only) but I'm not going to draw such a hard line because grey areas make you uncomfortable.


The point I'm making is that nobody really gives a shiat what a committee of psychologists decided the exact term was for this revision. For conversations among psychologists, sure, they can take the word and make it more specific while adding a bunch of other words to cover other specific situations. e.g. Oedipus/Electra Complex vs "you want to bang your parents." It's normally only Bronies and other predatory types that really care about the specifics and try to make their grossness sound like just another clinical disease.

In active usage, pedophilia is when an adult uses their power, even just their social status as an older person, and leverages it against the social status of the child to engage in some sort of sexual activity. That's why it's also rape to encourage someone to get massively drunk while you're sober just for the purpose of convincing them to engage in sexual activity with you.
 
2012-05-15 01:29:38 PM  
She isn't too bad looking, I would have sex with her, but then I am not 13 so I guess I won't.

I think even though the law that was broken is the same for a man as it is for a woman the nature of the crime is different so the sentencing should be different as well. Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males. I might also point out that this has more to do with how males and females are treated than it does with genetics. If society didn't put so much influence on sex = love, marriage and should only be done by adults which it does not then females would feel less like a victim too. I really think it comes from a desire and competitive nature of males they want to be the first and only person that female has had sex with. I am not saying that adults should be allowed to have sex with children I am just saying if society treated sex differently, it was done safely and not forced there really wouldn't be any victims female or male.
 
2012-05-15 01:36:46 PM  

Nels: Beluga Heights: Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Nels: He's trying to pull me into a conversation about ephebophilia, one of their favorite tactics to justify touching kids.

I was doing no such thing. I was pointing out that the word you used was incorrect in this context. This isn't Nam, there are rules.

I've heard the argument too many times, and I won't engage it.

It isn't an "argument". The word you used has a specific meaning. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the "argument" you have had too many times because you are still using it inappropriately. But whatever, willful ignorance is tough to overcome.


No, son. It's just that no one gives a shiat that you prefer slightly older children vs slightly younger or that you pretend that you're "really in love". Pedophilia has come into modern usage as referring to all the gross shiat we don't want happening in society. Given that it's a living language, actual use trumps specific denotations.

So take your pedantry--and your pederasty--back to 4chan/reddit where you came from.

So I'm butting into an argument but...it was put to me by a psychologist (in a Sociology course) that sexual attraction to post-pubescent girls is not, by definition, pedophilia. I mean, it's convenient for someone to say "you're just using psychological drivel to diddle children, pervert!" But I live in a state where 16 is the age of consent. I imagine this number was arrived at for a legitimate, rational reason and not that a good portion of American states are under the authority of NAMBLA. So, I mean, I don't see it as splitting hairs. A teenage girl can be fully developed, and damned if my brain can tell the difference. I'm not saying I sleep with girls under 21 (it's a personal rule, I'd stretch it to 19 but emergency situations only) but I'm not going to draw such a hard line because grey areas make you uncomfortable.

The point I'm making is that nobody really gives a shiat what a committee of psychologists decided the exact term w ...


Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.
 
2012-05-15 01:36:47 PM  

Profedius: Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males


BZZZZT!!!

Provide evidence to back up such a ridiculous assertion.
 
2012-05-15 01:38:47 PM  

Beluga Heights: Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.


Be careful, proper usage of language apparently makes you a sexual abuser of children in his mind.
 
2012-05-15 01:39:25 PM  
Amendment XIV: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Seems to me a man would have lost his job, his children, and his home while in prison also, and this would not have been considered by a judge and jury. Letting her off easy when they would not let a man off easy is a violation of the XIV amendment.

/it was violated for me too, but not to my benefit
//I didn't even do anything wrong
///the other party did
 
2012-05-15 01:39:30 PM  
b*tch should be locked up. no reason to keep her out on the streets.
 
2012-05-15 01:39:37 PM  

SchlingFocker: Profedius: Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males

BZZZZT!!!

Provide evidence to back up such a ridiculous assertion.


I'm with you, Schling. It could be a sampling error, though as I'm so emotional I cried at that damn GE commercial with the Ravel playing.
 
2012-05-15 01:41:13 PM  

Profedius: She isn't too bad looking, I would have sex with her, but then I am not 13 so I guess I won't.

I think even though the law that was broken is the same for a man as it is for a woman the nature of the crime is different so the sentencing should be different as well. Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males. I might also point out that this has more to do with how males and females are treated than it does with genetics. If society didn't put so much influence on sex = love, marriage and should only be done by adults which it does not then females would feel less like a victim too. I really think it comes from a desire and competitive nature of males they want to be the first and only person that female has had sex with. I am not saying that adults should be allowed to have sex with children I am just saying if society treated sex differently, it was done safely and not forced there really wouldn't be any victims female or male.


Exactly. Women are genetically incapable of being accountable for their choices. We have to protect them because they aren't smart enough to protect themselves. We don't send children to PMITA prison, so why should we send women there?
 
2012-05-15 01:41:15 PM  
Nothing any of you say matters. You are all armchair idiots.

b*tch broke the law. Deserves punishment. Harsh Punishment.

Castrate her and feed her to wolves. Too many dumb b*tches around anyway.
 
2012-05-15 01:41:39 PM  
It must be nice to have female privilege.
 
2012-05-15 01:44:08 PM  
All jokes aside, this double standard bullshiat needs to stop. She molested a farking 13 year old for fark sake. Oh boo farking hoo, she lost her kids/job/house whatever. If I molested a 13 year old I'd lose all that and spend the next 20 years in jail.
 
2012-05-15 01:44:24 PM  
I don't get why you'd want to have sex with a 13-year-old. Wouldn't masturbating with a pencil be just as thrilling?

Actually more thrilling, the pencil probably has more experience.
 
2012-05-15 01:46:57 PM  

Profedius: Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males.


Says who? You? This has to be one of the biggest pieces of bullshiat i've ever read! A young man's feelings are intensified beyond measure.Why is the suicide rate is so much higher for young people.Everything is blown out of proportion.
You are condoning child abuse with some armchair psychobabble.
 
2012-05-15 01:47:56 PM  

jst3p: Beluga Heights: Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

Be careful, proper usage of language apparently makes you a sexual abuser of children in his mind.


Get therapy.

Beluga Heights:Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

In the context of their own discussions, yeah, it makes sense. If you're discussing the topic in that mindset where everyone there is a psychologist and wants exactitude in their language, sure. However, common usage has its place elsewhere--like here--and the dictionary definition, a translation of the root words, is a sexual attraction towards children.

It's common for certain types to get offended if their specific label (pedophile, ephebophile, infantophile) is not given "due respect", so they will pounce on any opportunity to clarify it under the guise of it "just being about language" and point to what doctors would say when they're clearly not engaged in conversation with doctors. It's their way of defending their fixation without actually putting themselves in the line of fire.

For examples of this, simply visit one of the infamous threads at Reddit where they discuss that topic at length. Or don't. Please don't.
 
2012-05-15 01:50:20 PM  

rostit: b*tch should be locked up. no reason to keep her out on the streets.


gov.bexar.org
 
2012-05-15 01:52:25 PM  

rostit: Nothing any of you say matters. You are all armchair idiots.

b*tch broke the law. Deserves punishment. Harsh Punishment.

Castrate her and feed her to wolves. Too many dumb b*tches around anyway.


Umm, about that.
 
2012-05-15 01:55:24 PM  

Nels: What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?


creoleindc.typepad.com...
 
2012-05-15 02:02:22 PM  
This thread is making my head hurt.

/please post more pictures of the potential hottie and/or crazy trainwreck
 
2012-05-15 02:02:58 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Beluga Heights: Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

Be careful, proper usage of language apparently makes you a sexual abuser of children in his mind.

Get therapy.

Beluga Heights:Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

In the context of their own discussions, yeah, it makes sense. If you're discussing the topic in that mindset where everyone there is a psychologist and wants exactitude in their language, sure. However, common usage has its place elsewhere--like here--and the dictionary definition, a translation of the root words, is a sexual attraction towards children.

It's common for certain types to get offended if their specific label (pedophile, ephebophile, infantophile) is not given "due respect", so they will pounce on any opportunity to clarify it under the guise of it "just being about language" and point to what doctors would say when they're clearly not engaged in conversation with doctors. It's their way of defending their fixation without actually putting themselves in the line of fire.

For examples of this, simply visit one of the infamous threads at Reddit where they discuss that topic at length. Or don't. Please don't.


Concerned troll is concerned.
 
2012-05-15 02:05:40 PM  

Morpheses: Nels: jst3p: Beluga Heights: Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

Be careful, proper usage of language apparently makes you a sexual abuser of children in his mind.

Get therapy.

Beluga Heights:Well it's not like I think pedophilia is cool. And I kinda care what psychologists say.

In the context of their own discussions, yeah, it makes sense. If you're discussing the topic in that mindset where everyone there is a psychologist and wants exactitude in their language, sure. However, common usage has its place elsewhere--like here--and the dictionary definition, a translation of the root words, is a sexual attraction towards children.

It's common for certain types to get offended if their specific label (pedophile, ephebophile, infantophile) is not given "due respect", so they will pounce on any opportunity to clarify it under the guise of it "just being about language" and point to what doctors would say when they're clearly not engaged in conversation with doctors. It's their way of defending their fixation without actually putting themselves in the line of fire.

For examples of this, simply visit one of the infamous threads at Reddit where they discuss that topic at length. Or don't. Please don't.

Concerned troll is concerned.


Wait. Who's the troll?
 
2012-05-15 02:07:16 PM  
the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence

I've never understood why we do this. The victim and people close to the victim are probably the single worst group on the planet to ask for advice on sentencing. It clearly doesn't serve justice -- if I get murdered and my family doesn't show up, my killer gets a lesser sentence than if my sister shows up and cries? Why would we want such an outcome?
 
2012-05-15 02:24:41 PM  

proteus_b: I can't remember the last time I red a newspaper article without a spelling mistake. This may play a roll in the declining influence of newspapers on American society.


That's ironic...
 
2012-05-15 02:28:58 PM  
img88.imageshack.us
Won't you be my Nabor?
 
2012-05-15 02:29:36 PM  
Using an improper term for a specific psychological issue is lazy and ignorant. A duck is a duck but do not call a duck a goose just cause they are similar.
 
2012-05-15 02:31:20 PM  

profplump: the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence

I've never understood why we do this. The victim and people close to the victim are probably the single worst group on the planet to ask for advice on sentencing. It clearly doesn't serve justice -- if I get murdered and my family doesn't show up, my killer gets a lesser sentence than if my sister shows up and cries? Why would we want such an outcome?


If no one shows up to cry at the trial on your behalf then clearly you were of little value to society and it doesn't matter that you were murdered.
 
2012-05-15 02:37:13 PM  
Women deserve less harsh punishment for sex crimes for the same reason men make more money, no one expects them to make smarter decisions.
 
2012-05-15 02:49:24 PM  

itsdan: Women deserve less harsh punishment for sex crimes for the same reason men make more money, no one expects them to make smarter decisions.


Wow, interesting infographic and website, thank you!
 
2012-05-15 03:21:49 PM  
itsdan [TotalFark]


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2012-05-15 02:37:13 PM

Women deserve less harsh punishment for sex crimes for the same reason men make more money, no one expects them to make smarter decisions.




AWESOME!!! I get so sick and tired of the 25 cents on the dollar LIES
 
2012-05-15 03:23:59 PM  

deadcrickets: hdhale: Prosecutors had recommended prison for Amanda Ann Nabers, 26, who will have to register as a sex offender for life.

But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation, defense attorney Carlos Martinez told state District Judge Juanita Vasquez-Gardner.

Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax.

Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

Yeah, got away scot-free. *eye roll*

Her life is completely ruined over some drug fueled farking of someone who probably couldn't outlast the cook time of a Hot Pocket. Totally worth it.

So you agree that all males who do a similar crime should get a similar sentence.


I wasn't arguing whether what she got versus what a man would get is fair or unfair in proportion, just that it did constitute punishment and more than a slap on the wrist. Being on the sex offenders list essentially means she's on lifetime probation. She can't hold certain jobs (hell likely unemployable), has her home address made public, and if she moves she must notify law enforcement. Some states place even more restrictions, like not allowing her to be alone with her kids without a social worker to supervise the visit.

As to what people (male and female) should get for such an offense...how do you assess the psychological damage done to the young teen? Can/should you hand out punishment based on the amount of damage you've done? We can joke about how at 13 we'd have "hit that like a champ", but when it's real world and our kid or a kid in the neighborhood suddenly we want people chemically castrated and shot. I don't think we as a society have figured out what is appropriate and not appropriate with absolute certainty. Humanity in most regions is only a few hundred years from thinking that marrying off 14 year old teen girls to a 19 year old man was the right thing to do and in some places it still is.
 
2012-05-15 03:27:20 PM  
Alright, I dont know how the **** this thread dove into an arguement about basic definitions, but here goes...

pedophilia refers to the sexual preference for prepubescent children.
hebephilia refers to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals
ephebophilia refers to the sexual preference for mid to late adolescents

Nels, you are incorrect to refer to this woman as a pedophile.. but you are against kiddy diddling, so thats good.

jst3p yes Nels is ignorant on proper language usage, and then defensive when its pointed out, but we kind of knew what he meant. no use beating a dead horse.

/not sure why i had to chime in...
//really bored i guess.
 
2012-05-15 03:49:33 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim's family was in favor of probation,

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-gets-probati on-for-sex-with-underage-3558020.php#ixzz1uxMWOU00


I'd say she's been punished worse than a guy would have


The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story
 
2012-05-15 03:50:54 PM  

JaaVaa: Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark


I think the argument is more 'it's not actually fully sexism'. 50% sexism is still wrong, but as the judge points out, this woman is ruined for life. Putting her in jail wouldn't really be something they need to do at this point.

/Yes, sexism still wrong, but the punishment a man would get of a lifelong sentence is carried out already.
 
2012-05-15 03:55:33 PM  

PsiChick: JaaVaa: Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark

I think the argument is more 'it's not actually fully sexism'. 50% sexism is still wrong, but as the judge points out, this woman is ruined for life. Putting her in jail wouldn't really be something they need to do at this point.

/Yes, sexism still wrong, but the punishment a man would get of a lifelong sentence is carried out already.


I'm not sure you know this, but FARK automatically shades your posts as DERP, with no favoriting needed.
 
2012-05-15 04:05:58 PM  

Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story


Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?
 
2012-05-15 04:08:39 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?


He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!
 
2012-05-15 04:10:30 PM  

RoyBatty: PsiChick: JaaVaa: Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark

I think the argument is more 'it's not actually fully sexism'. 50% sexism is still wrong, but as the judge points out, this woman is ruined for life. Putting her in jail wouldn't really be something they need to do at this point.

/Yes, sexism still wrong, but the punishment a man would get of a lifelong sentence is carried out already.

I'm not sure you know this, but FARK automatically shades your posts as DERP, with no favoriting needed.


...That was very unclear, let me reword that. In American culture, far as I can tell, the punishment for child rape isn't jail time, it's social ruin. Jail is a minor punishment the law enforces because government != culture, and government and culture both have to punish the offender.

Now, the social-ruin part of the sentence has already been carried out, so when the family isn't too concerned with the government punishing her, the judge is okay with letting it slide because a) sexism, and b) the culture will punish her for the rest of her natural life, which is a far larger punishment than anything the government can do.

/Apparently I can no talk today.
 
2012-05-15 04:16:11 PM  

RoyBatty: PsiChick: JaaVaa: Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark

I think the argument is more 'it's not actually fully sexism'. 50% sexism is still wrong, but as the judge points out, this woman is ruined for life. Putting her in jail wouldn't really be something they need to do at this point.

/Yes, sexism still wrong, but the punishment a man would get of a lifelong sentence is carried out already.

I'm not sure you know this, but FARK automatically shades your posts as DERP, with no favoriting needed.


It really is amazing that she is apparently smart enough to use a computer. Special education has really come a long way.
 
2012-05-15 04:19:18 PM  

PsiChick: ...That was very unclear, let me reword that. In American culture, far as I can tell, the punishment for child rape isn't jail time, it's social ruin. Jail is a minor punishment the law enforces because government != culture, and government and culture both have to punish the offender.Now, the social-ruin part of the sentence has already been carried out, so when the family isn't too concerned with the government punishing her, the judge is okay with letting it slide because a) sexism, and b) the culture will punish her for the rest of her natural life, which is a far larger punishment than anything the government can do./Apparently I can no talk today.


I think I did understand. You are still equating his going to jail with her getting probation because her life has been made sad.

You've ignored what others have said about the guy's life having been made pretty sad by that point too, including his equal feelings as to the loss of his kids.

Why isn't the judge letting the guy get probation? How is his punishment from society any less than the woman's?

Arguably, read the thread, where people are saying the kid was lucky to get such a hottie milf. They wouldn't be saying that if the genders were reversed. It's difficult for me to understand how the man's punishment by society is less than the woman's punishment by society.
 
2012-05-15 04:32:32 PM  

jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!


Seek therapy.
 
2012-05-15 04:33:54 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.


Seek community college.
 
2012-05-15 04:35:58 PM  

Lukeonia1: We definitely need a new word for it... a nice catchy neologism that politicians and pundits can throw around?


himscrimination?
 
2012-05-15 04:37:14 PM  

RoyBatty: PsiChick: ...That was very unclear, let me reword that. In American culture, far as I can tell, the punishment for child rape isn't jail time, it's social ruin. Jail is a minor punishment the law enforces because government != culture, and government and culture both have to punish the offender.Now, the social-ruin part of the sentence has already been carried out, so when the family isn't too concerned with the government punishing her, the judge is okay with letting it slide because a) sexism, and b) the culture will punish her for the rest of her natural life, which is a far larger punishment than anything the government can do./Apparently I can no talk today.

I think I did understand. You are still equating his going to jail with her getting probation because her life has been made sad.

You've ignored what others have said about the guy's life having been made pretty sad by that point too, including his equal feelings as to the loss of his kids.

Why isn't the judge letting the guy get probation? How is his punishment from society any less than the woman's?

Arguably, read the thread, where people are saying the kid was lucky to get such a hottie milf. They wouldn't be saying that if the genders were reversed. It's difficult for me to understand how the man's punishment by society is less than the woman's punishment by society.


I did point out that it was sexist for her not to get jail time. I'm saying that the decision was more than sexism.

If you make a bad decision because of Point A, Point B, and racism, it doesn't mean the racism is the only reason you made the decision. Life isn't black-and-white, and it's certainly worth discussing Point A and Point B.

/Though I'd have to say I'd be arguing that society has no place punishing people after jail time, male or female.
 
2012-05-15 04:42:37 PM  

jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.

Seek community college.


I tried, but I tripped and fell into Princeton: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=pedophilia

Yup, you're still wrong. And a bit sick.
 
2012-05-15 04:43:50 PM  

Nels: Yup, you're still wrong. And a bit sick.


You really are stupid. I am done with you.
 
2012-05-15 04:44:03 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.

Seek community college.

I tried, but I tripped and fell into Princeton: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=pedophilia

Yup, you're still wrong. And a bit sick.


So you went to Princeton or you went to their site? Princeton isn't a bad school, I guess.
 
2012-05-15 04:47:33 PM  

Beluga Heights: Nels: jst3p: Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.

Seek community college.

I tried, but I tripped and fell into Princeton: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=pedophilia

Yup, you're still wrong. And a bit sick.

So you went to Princeton or you went to their site? Princeton isn't a bad school, I guess.


I went to the college of making jst3p mad because I'm right and he's not, and it obviously burns his butt. US Gov't agrees as well: http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/sexabuse/sexabuseh.cfm

However, as I stated before, the common usage of the word doesn't bother most people--mostly just those who see a hierarchy of their sick deeds and want to be at the top of the scum pile.
 
2012-05-15 04:50:41 PM  
ru-crazy.com /hot

/the boy has decent taste
 
2012-05-15 04:50:49 PM  

umad: RoyBatty: PsiChick: JaaVaa: Wow, the people in here claiming sexism are not only right, but actually making the people claiming otherwise their biatches.

/nice work, Fark

I think the argument is more 'it's not actually fully sexism'. 50% sexism is still wrong, but as the judge points out, this woman is ruined for life. Putting her in jail wouldn't really be something they need to do at this point.

/Yes, sexism still wrong, but the punishment a man would get of a lifelong sentence is carried out already.

I'm not sure you know this, but FARK automatically shades your posts as DERP, with no favoriting needed.

It really is amazing that she is apparently smart enough to use a computer. Special education has really come a long way.


It's a person??? I thought it was one of those poorly written ELIZA programs set to derp mode.
 
2012-05-15 04:52:58 PM  

PsiChick: I'm saying that the decision was more than sexism.


And failing to back it up with any substance whatsoever. It was sexism period.
 
2012-05-15 04:54:51 PM  

WhippingBoy: It's a person??? I thought it was one of those poorly written ELIZA programs set to derp mode.


A genuine psychic person, no less. I think she just posts whatever the voices tell her to.
 
2012-05-15 04:55:31 PM  
Some day, my fellow-men, we shall rise up against the vaginocentric matriarchy and demand equality!

/off to start "Mr." magazine
 
2012-05-15 04:56:44 PM  

Person: I don't get why you'd want to have sex with a 13-year-old. Wouldn't masturbating with a pencil be just as thrilling?

Actually more thrilling, the pencil probably has more experience.


And it would stay harder longer.

/For her pleasure.
 
2012-05-15 04:57:05 PM  
Hitler, pedos, and mens' rights advocates are all real good things and p. cool
 
2012-05-15 04:57:42 PM  

umad: WhippingBoy: It's a person??? I thought it was one of those poorly written ELIZA programs set to derp mode.

A genuine psychic person, no less. I think she just posts whatever the voices tell her to.


Crap, I missed that part and actually wasted valuable seconds reading her drivel...
 
2012-05-15 05:01:46 PM  
Lets flog the dead horse for just a few more posts.

Encyclopedia Britannica

Pedophilia is a type of paraphilia-a category of recognized mental disorders defined by unusual fantasies, urges, or behaviours that are recurrent and sexually arousing. In order for pedophilia to be diagnosed clinically these thoughts or behaviours must be present for at least six months and must cause distress to the affected individual or impairment of the individual's ability to function socially or occupationally. A clinical diagnosis of pedophilia also requires that the affected individual be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the child (or children) at the centre of the individual's sexual fantasies. Pedophilia is distinguished from hebephilia and ephebophilia, which involve sexual obsessions of postpubescent children or late-stage adolescents, respectively.

If you are going to use a link to define your terms, at least use one that has complete information (the above is just an excerpt from the complete reference).
 
2012-05-15 05:09:51 PM  

paleryder69: Lets flog the dead horse for just a few more posts.

Encyclopedia Britannica

Pedophilia is a type of paraphilia-a category of recognized mental disorders defined by unusual fantasies, urges, or behaviours that are recurrent and sexually arousing. In order for pedophilia to be diagnosed clinically these thoughts or behaviours must be present for at least six months and must cause distress to the affected individual or impairment of the individual's ability to function socially or occupationally. A clinical diagnosis of pedophilia also requires that the affected individual be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the child (or children) at the centre of the individual's sexual fantasies. Pedophilia is distinguished from hebephilia and ephebophilia, which involve sexual obsessions of postpubescent children or late-stage adolescents, respectively.

If you are going to use a link to define your terms, at least use one that has complete information (the above is just an excerpt from the complete reference).


I asked jst3p if we could go for a ride in his car. He began screaming incoherently at me and spraying spittle because it's not a car--it's an SUV.
 
2012-05-15 05:11:58 PM  

paleryder69: Lets flog the dead horse for just a few more posts.


Let it go, I have. You can't teach the willfully ignorant.
 
2012-05-15 05:15:54 PM  

SchlingFocker: Profedius: Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males

BZZZZT!!!

Provide evidence to back up such a ridiculous assertion.


Maybe it is a matter of me not being clear on what I meant. Males do have emotions when it comes to sex God knows I do, but males do not have the same kind of emotions that females do. I think maybe emotion is the wrong choice of words maybe a better choice is mentality.
 
2012-05-15 05:17:05 PM  

jst3p: paleryder69: Lets flog the dead horse for just a few more posts.

Let it go, I have. You can't teach the willfully ignorant.


Don't be so hard on yourself.
 
2012-05-15 05:22:54 PM  
(wikipedia) Because mid-to-late adolescents may have physical characteristics near (or in some cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults. Ephebophilia is used only to describe the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.

Basically a sexual preference for high school or early college aged partner, here's pictures of some Ephebophiles:

t1.gstatic.com

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-05-15 05:30:36 PM  

Nels: jst3p: paleryder69: Lets flog the dead horse for just a few more posts.

Let it go, I have. You can't teach the willfully ignorant.

Don't be so hard on yourself.


Can one perform frottage upon themselves? One would think a different term would be more appropriate. I would think that masturbating ones ego would serve better in this case, as the sarcasm falls woefully short of its mark and goes to the mental state of the repartee involved. Ah well, trolls will be trolls never the less.

/and with that I shall depart as I actually have other things to do.
 
2012-05-15 05:31:00 PM  

Mr.Man: Profedius: Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males.

Says who? You? This has to be one of the biggest pieces of bullshiat i've ever read! A young man's feelings are intensified beyond measure.Why is the suicide rate is so much higher for young people.Everything is blown out of proportion.
You are condoning child abuse with some armchair psychobabble.


No that is not what I am talking about at all. I am speaking about how people perceive underage males and sex with older females and underage females having sex with older males. With males they feel much less like a victim because their peers tend to look favorable on the event as long as the woman is decent looking and they tend to not become attached to the female. For females they tend to become attached and their peers tend to look down upon them. I am not condoning child abuse just trying to give reason for women getting lighter sentences and how males are less victimized by the experience. I had sex with an older woman when I was 14 and she was 24 then another woman when I was 16 and she was 29 both were teachers. I do not feel victimized in any way in fact I quite enjoyed it and look back on it fondly.
 
2012-05-15 05:41:10 PM  

Profedius: I am not condoning child abuse just trying to give reason for women getting lighter sentences and how males are less victimized by the experience more responsible for their own actions.


FTFY

Profedius: I had sex with an older woman when I was 14 and she was 24 then another woman when I was 16 and she was 29 both were teachers. I do not feel victimized in any way in fact I quite enjoyed it and look back on it fondly.


Sure you did.
 
2012-05-15 05:42:12 PM  

jst3p: Nels: jst3p: It amazes me that the fact that I am correcting you means, in your mind, that I must be defending having sex with teens. Your mind is pretty warped. And these are medical terms, they aren't subject to "it's a living language so I am free to misuse it". I don't know you, but based on your comments in this thread I am convinced you are pretty stupid.

You clearly obsess over the topic, like others, when everyone else is completely fine with it. We don't care what you want to label "other peoples'" disease. The term is a catch-all for scum. It's kind of like saying "I'm a grown man into My Little Pony" is code for "I have an unhealthy interest in female children."



Am I the pot or the kettle here. You are the one who claims to have been in this argument too many times. I am just discussing language with you, I haven't even talked about how I feel about kiddie farkers.


/hint I agree with you about farking kids, but I still think you are stupid


Guys, guys. I think we can all agree here, that this will be a better country when everyone who has sex with someone under the age of 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59.99 seconds is strung up and tortured to death. No one is arguing that.
 
2012-05-15 05:45:27 PM  

ialdabaoth: Guys, guys. I think we can all agree here, that this will be a better country when everyone who has sex with someone under the age of 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59.99 seconds is strung up and tortured to death. No one is arguing that.


Finally!

Now can we PLEASE post pictures of hot, female "pedophiles" so I can get all worked up about what never happened to me?!
 
2012-05-15 05:50:01 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: ialdabaoth: Guys, guys. I think we can all agree here, that this will be a better country when everyone who has sex with someone under the age of 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59.99 seconds is strung up and tortured to death. No one is arguing that.

Finally!

Now can we PLEASE post pictures of hot, female "pedophiles" so I can get all worked up about what never happened to me?!


Hot females can't be pedophiles. It's the same rule that says that cops can't be pedophiles, and senators and district attourneys can't be pedophiles.

Pedophiles are creepy old single men who lure 13 year old girls into their vans after chatting with them on the internet. They aren't well-to-do upper class step-fathers, and they certainly aren't "normal" people who happen to enjoy humiliating and abusing their kids at home to reenact some sick power fantasy.

Everyone knows this, so why do we keep quibbling on the "definition" of a word that we all already know the REAL definition for?
 
2012-05-15 05:55:44 PM  

umad: Profedius: I am not condoning child abuse just trying to give reason for women getting lighter sentences and how males are less victimized by the experience more responsible for their own actions.

FTFY

Profedius: I had sex with an older woman when I was 14 and she was 24 then another woman when I was 16 and she was 29 both were teachers. I do not feel victimized in any way in fact I quite enjoyed it and look back on it fondly.

Sure you did.


I wonder if I would have gotten the same response had I said I was the victim of child abuse when I was 14 because I used to stay at one of my teaches houses after school until my mom came to pick me up and this teacher used to masturbate me had oral sex with me and then forced me to perform oral sex on her. Then later I was abused again by another teacher who would take me into her office which was attached to the class room and have sex with me pretty much every day after school.
 
2012-05-15 06:56:28 PM  

hiker9999: What happens if a 26 year old woman fraks a 13 yo girl?


They both make a butt-load of money by selling their stories to Lifetime to be made into a movie-of-the-week where both women are portrayed as victims of abusive men.

/Lifetime - The "All men are abusive alcoholic scum" channel
 
2012-05-15 08:56:28 PM  

CUZN_Ovoids: Because mid-to-late adolescents may have physical characteristics near (or in some cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults. Ephebophilia is used only to describe the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.


Thank you. Someone who is a pedophile or ephebophile is only or mostly attracted to children or teenagers, respectively.

I'm not saying that men are a perpetual victim of systemic sexism, but you gotta admit. It's farked up that a 22yo man that had sex with a 17yo girl will get every kind of punishment that society offers - jail time, public scorn and ostracism, sexual abuse by fellow inmates - while a 30yo woman that had sex with a 13yo boy will get comparatively light punishment and see no jail time.
 
2012-05-15 09:37:14 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: CUZN_Ovoids: Because mid-to-late adolescents may have physical characteristics near (or in some cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults. Ephebophilia is used only to describe the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.

Thank you. Someone who is a pedophile or ephebophile is only or mostly attracted to children or teenagers, respectively.

I'm not saying that men are a perpetual victim of systemic sexism, but you gotta admit. It's farked up that a 22yo man that had sex with a 17yo girl will get every kind of punishment that society offers - jail time, public scorn and ostracism, sexual abuse by fellow inmates - while a 30yo woman that had sex with a 13yo boy will get comparatively light punishment and see no jail time.


Again, it depends on the guy - if a well-to-do gentleman wants to rape his own 6-year-old daughter or stepdaughter, that's A-Ok unless the right people get pissed off.

Remember, kids: "keep it in the family" and "don't be poor".
 
2012-05-15 10:25:01 PM  
I'd like to live on her street.

Her going door to door: "Hi. I'm required by law to tell you that I'm a sex offender. I just can't control myself, and I made a mistake that involved drugs and kinky sex."

Me: "Well come on in and let's talk about it. I'll make margaritas! Get comfortable..."

floridaphysician.med.ufl.edu
 
2012-05-15 10:39:21 PM  
Ha, South Texas. Glad I moved to another state. Good Riddance tgo bad rubbish

/don't even like flying over the state.

//Stay ignorant, and in the 1700s, San Antonio.

///Must live on the South or West side.
 
2012-05-15 10:42:21 PM  
Kan'l spel.
 
2012-05-15 10:59:57 PM  

Nels: Tat'dGreaser: Masterstuff: [not_sure_if_serious.jpg]

I think, this is just a guess, that normally when it's a man who is the perp the "victim's" family is screaming bloody murder for jail time. She pretty much has already ruined her life and the kid's family doesn't think she needs anymore, so the judge takes that into consideration when sentencing. When a guy is being charged and everyone wants him hung by his neck, the judge takes that into consideration.

Plus she didn't rape anyone.

You are literally advocating child rape. I'm sure, as a 13 year old, he was mentally well equipped to be coerced into sex by someone in a position of power.

What's the deal with Farkers and desperately trying to legitimize pedophilia?


It is only if the perpetrators are females. I realize that makes me sound like a woman hater or something but no, I have a lovely missus and have great respect for ladies in general. However, I don't respect your attempts to gain fairness and equality. When N.O.W. goes to this courthouse and protests because the lady got an unfair sentence than she would have if she'd had a penis then I'll take the phrases like "equality," "rights," and the vague concept of "fair" then I'll actually take women's rights serious as a whole. Extra rights aren't equality.

I can't imagine anyone actually has much of an issue with it. I doubt most even notice. I read some of the comments saying it would be better for him, that he'd do the same amount of time, and that he could get back on his feet easier than a woman. Not one of them provided any reference to their own particular skillset that made them capable of voicing an opinion. Not one of them provided a single bit of evidence to support their patently ridiculous claims.

In other words, they're sexist. There are a couple of voices that are notably silent on this topic and in this thread. Hypocrisy knows no bounds. Evidence would be good. I don't think they have any. I'll check back later.
 
2012-05-15 11:48:25 PM  

Ex-Texan: ///Must live on the South or West side.


While a lot of stereotypes of the different sides of town in SA are pretty spot on (north = wealthier, east = black, west = mexican, south = poor), the crime side of that doesn't hold true.

Had a tour in an expensive gated neighborhood on the northside a few years ago. As we went down one street our friend read off: Drug grow house; police found a two-car garage full of stolen goods; son murdered his parents; husband murdered his wife; child molester; etc. Damn near everyone house on that street was involved recently in some major crime.

I can look at areas I'm around in the southside and yeah, I can point out a drug dealer's house, a cop who likes to smoke crack on his porch, a few car burglaries, a couple home burglaries, and a gang beating. Most of these outsiders involved in the crimes, not the residents.
 
rka
2012-05-16 01:08:29 AM  

Profedius: I think even though the law that was broken is the same for a man as it is for a woman the nature of the crime is different so the sentencing should be different as well. Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males.


Just as every crime has to be judged on its own merits, so does every person. An act that has "emotional ties" to one girl is simply a romp in the hay to get her rocks off to another.

Profedius: With males they feel much less like a victim because their peers


Your reactions to similar circumstances are yours and yours alone. You don't know how anyone else is going to feel. Just because his peers give the guy a high five doesn't mean that *he* is ok with it.
 
2012-05-16 05:28:14 AM  
I would be for a change to the justice system that anonymity of unrelated personal attributes (race, gender, age, etc.) was an option for the accused or accuser. I'd love to know of a court case (say domestic violence) where parties were known only as "subject A" and "subject B."
 
2012-05-16 11:21:51 AM  

rka: Profedius: I think even though the law that was broken is the same for a man as it is for a woman the nature of the crime is different so the sentencing should be different as well. Males do not have the same emotional ties to sex as most females do so there is less victimization for males.

Just as every crime has to be judged on its own merits, so does every person. An act that has "emotional ties" to one girl is simply a romp in the hay to get her rocks off to another.

Profedius: With males they feel much less like a victim because their peers

Your reactions to similar circumstances are yours and yours alone. You don't know how anyone else is going to feel. Just because his peers give the guy a high five doesn't mean that *he* is ok with it.


I see what you are saying, but giving the cases that have come through here most of the females were coerced by various means where the males for the most part were not it was simply offered at least in the cases of female to underage male. In the few cases where underage females offered themselves to adult males there had been past abuse and/ or the offer was given in exchange for some favor from the adult male. Cases where there is underage female and adult female also entail less coercion. I have not come across a case where an underage female had sex with an adult male simply to have sex, but perhaps that is because in those cases there was no victim so they go un-reported. I am excluding cases of high school females dating college males and any cases were the age difference is less than 6 years.
 
2012-05-16 03:13:42 PM  

Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.


Where did I say it was MY story?
 
2012-05-16 06:38:21 PM  

Ro_thunder: Nels: jst3p: Tat'dGreaser: Ro_thunder: The guy would have lost his kids, his wife (and had to pay child support), his house, his job, AND gone to prison.

Guys take it in the shorts when women get it in their shorts.

/true story

Ummm care to tell us about your adventures with 13 year old girls?

He doesn't really mean it is a factual story. It is a living language and since we aren't doctors it doesn't matter what the dictionary says!

Seek therapy.

Where did I say it was MY story?


Did anyone say if they cared if it was your story? You're a pedo. It doesn't matter if you've never touched a kid, don't like kids, wouldn't diddle a kid if you got the chance - you're still a pedo, and should be strung up for being a sick fark, you sick fark.

It's WORSE if you don't actually diddle kids, because at least someone who diddles kids can STOP. But a pedo is a pedo is a pedo.
 
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