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(Japan Today)   Okinawa celebrates 40 years of independence from America, where independence is apparently defined as having one gigantic U.S. air base on your territory   (japantoday.com) divider line 76
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2012-05-15 10:45:43 AM  
Hey, it's still where I'm from.
 
2012-05-15 11:54:55 AM  
Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with Godzilla?
 
2012-05-15 12:08:06 PM  

Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with GodzillaChina?


Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.
 
2012-05-15 12:17:33 PM  

Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with Godzilla?


Korean war
 
2012-05-15 12:19:29 PM  
OMG get out of our country you godamn americans!!!

...wait, where are you taking all of your money?!?! We need that for our GDP!!!!

/World politics
 
2012-05-15 12:21:01 PM  
Okinawa, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Timbuktu, Newfoundland?
I can't keep these things straight anymore, all I know when I here Japanize is
www.infobarrel.com
 
2012-05-15 12:21:04 PM  

Jubeebee: Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.


Well, they're entitled to change their mind at any time. Of course, the departure of all those military personnel and American dollars would sink the local economy almost literally overnight.
 
2012-05-15 12:21:11 PM  

Jubeebee: Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with GodzillaChina?

Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.


The Romans did the same thing, you know?.

/You just need more Bacchanalias, public baths, and back-stabbing politicians
 
2012-05-15 12:21:53 PM  

JaaVaa: all I know when I here Japanize is


Glad I remembered to reread that phonetically. I thought you were having a stroke.
 
2012-05-15 12:21:58 PM  

Jubeebee: Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with GodzillaChina?

Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.


Well, in the grand scheme of things it's probably a good thing that Japan wasn't allowed to have its own army after the war, since the last army they had massacred millions of people throughout Asia.

/I know, SDF is pretty much the same thing
//without the massacring part
 
2012-05-15 12:22:23 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with Godzilla?

Korean war


WWII actually (same reason we had bases in Germany). Cold war (and painful flare ups) just justified us keeping them.
 
2012-05-15 12:22:35 PM  
Why should they be different from any other "free" nation?
 
2012-05-15 12:22:43 PM  

JaaVaa: Okinawa, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Timbuktu, Newfoundland?
I can't keep these things straight anymore, all I know when I here Japanize is
[www.infobarrel.com image 640x400]

And before the freak out, yes, sarcasm.

/even the here and japanize
//I think Farker's sarcasm detectors are off lately if I'm actually getting to the point of pointing it out to avoid freak outs
 
2012-05-15 12:23:35 PM  

CygnusDarius: Jubeebee: Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with GodzillaChina?

Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.

The Romans did the same thing, you know?.

/You just need more Bacchanalias, public baths, and back-stabbing politicians


crucifixes. needs more crucifixes/
/and cowbell
 
2012-05-15 12:24:35 PM  

blazemongr: JaaVaa: all I know when I here Japanize is

Glad I remembered to reread that phonetically. I thought you were having a stroke.


Thatta boy, you try typing on this thing:

effingjro.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-15 12:26:40 PM  
Ingrates. They'd all be spaeking German today if not for us.
 
2012-05-15 12:26:45 PM  

blazemongr: Jubeebee: Also, it's kind of our MO. The US doesn't conquer territory anymore, we just establish military bases in strategic locations in the countries we invade. That's different than conquering because the government we installed using the constitution we wrote asked us to stay.

Well, they're entitled to change their mind at any time. Of course, the departure of all those military personnel and American dollars would sink the local economy almost literally overnight.


The draw down from Okinawa has already begun - Link
 
2012-05-15 12:28:39 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, it's still where I'm from.


Cool! I'm from Parris Island. Lived in the Okinawa for three formative years. We had recess on the roof because there was no space elsewhere.
 
2012-05-15 12:28:52 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: crucifixes. needs more crucifixes/


Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
 
2012-05-15 12:29:27 PM  

syberpud: SoCalSurfer: Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with Godzilla?

Korean war

WWII actually (same reason we had bases in Germany). Cold war (and painful flare ups) just justified us keeping them.


Oh I know but the Korean war justified keeping it so large.
 
2012-05-15 12:31:10 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, it's still where I'm from.


Butler?

/went to Zukeran and Bob Hope
 
2012-05-15 12:33:11 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Oh I know but the Korean war justified keeping it so large.


Have you any idea how much the people in Okinawa love us to our face?

/kimigayo wa
 
2012-05-15 12:35:16 PM  
Meanwhile, in Yokosuka:
0.tqn.com

Meanwhile in Sasebo:
mw2.google.com

Active duty SDF personnel: 247,746.

United States Forces Japan: 35,688.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:14 PM  

fortheloveofgod: The draw down from Okinawa has already begun - Link


Yeah, I'll believe that in three years when we see the military population numbers for the island, they may be getting back land, but I doubt the numbers will actually decrease. Futenma has been on its way out for over a decade. We aren't leaving, Foster, Buckner, Torii, and Kadena aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
2012-05-15 12:36:33 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: hubiestubert: Hey, it's still where I'm from.

Cool! I'm from Parris Island. Lived in the Okinawa for three formative years. We had recess on the roof because there was no space elsewhere.


Was it this roof?


i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-15 12:37:00 PM  
You're welcome, ungratefull SOBs
 
2012-05-15 12:38:09 PM  
The new Japanese navy has glass bottom boats so they can see the old Japanese navy.
 
2012-05-15 12:38:55 PM  

Maud Dib: Salt Lick Steady: hubiestubert: Hey, it's still where I'm from.

Cool! I'm from Parris Island. Lived in the Okinawa for three formative years. We had recess on the roof because there was no space elsewhere.

Was it this roof?


[i865.photobucket.com image 640x463]


That'd be sweet. But no, it was off some main road I can't remember right near the Monkey Wrench.
 
2012-05-15 12:40:31 PM  

dryknife: Ingrates. They'd all be spaeking German

ize today if not for us.

/sorry, pet pive
 
2012-05-15 12:41:39 PM  
May Japan's reign last ten thousand years, until the pebbles grow to boulders, plent with moss.

/best national anthem ever
 
2012-05-15 12:44:24 PM  
washingtonscene.thehill.com

Any chance of it tipping over?
 
2012-05-15 12:45:28 PM  
The last time I was in Okinawa (1998) it was NOT the locals protesting the US presence - they were smart enough to know that without the US presence on their island they would all be living in poverty.

The "Okinawan protesters" of the t,e were really Japanese, usually students, from the main islands who would come for a day or two of protests before going home. I would be shocked to learn the people of Okonawa want the sole source of their income (the US military) off their island.
 
2012-05-15 12:53:46 PM  
A friend I went to school with is posted there. He's always visiting Hawaii or random Pacific islands. Claims to not miss the homeland at all.

/csb
 
2012-05-15 12:55:25 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: May Japan's reign last ten thousand years, until the pebbles grow to boulders, plent with moss.

/best national anthem ever


PEBBLES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!


Mensan: The "Okinawan protesters" of the t,e were really Japanese, usually students, from the main islands who would come for a day or two of protests before going home. I would be shocked to learn the people of Okonawa want the sole source of their income (the US military) off their island.


Hey, that's not fair, I'm sure the protesters spend their money there too.
 
2012-05-15 12:56:18 PM  
Pull them, and pull get our guys out of South Korea as well. What kinda deterrent is 47 thousand troops vs the million plus armies they'd have to face if the shiat hit the fan anyways. You're biatching about 47 thousand Americans spending money and creating jobs on your puny farkin island range because boys will be boys? Next time one of your neighbors decides to start razing your villages don't call us arseholes.
 
2012-05-15 12:57:26 PM  

DavidVincent: [washingtonscene.thehill.com image 400x305]


OT: That area is represented by a black guy? They must be getting nicer around there. Used to live near there and it wasn't exactly Klanville but...
 
2012-05-15 01:00:05 PM  

Mensan: The last time I was in Okinawa (1998) it was NOT the locals protesting the US presence - they were smart enough to know that without the US presence on their island they would all be living in poverty.

The "Okinawan protesters" of the t,e were really Japanese, usually students, from the main islands who would come for a day or two of protests before going home. I would be shocked to learn the people of Okonawa want the sole source of their income (the US military) off their island.


At this point there are a lot little mixed bloods like myself throughout the islands. From after WWII, from the constant rotations.

Protesting the presence does happen. By folks who'd like Okinawa to simply cease being a jumping off point for GIs, and instead just bring in tourist dollars, often forgetting that the locals, and even the Mainland rely on those dollars rolling in. They just dislike that even now that folks count on the baka gaijin...
 
2012-05-15 01:01:46 PM  

JaaVaa: JaaVaa: Okinawa, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Timbuktu, Newfoundland?
I can't keep these things straight anymore, all I know when I here Japanize is
[www.infobarrel.com image 640x400]
And before the freak out, yes, sarcasm.

/even the here and japanize
//I think Farker's sarcasm detectors are off lately if I'm actually getting to the point of pointing it out to avoid freak outs


Or, you're just an Ass that likes attention.

You knew people would peg on you when you did it. Now you're back for more attention by repling with an explanation.
 
2012-05-15 01:01:51 PM  

Mensan: The last time I was in Okinawa (1998) it was NOT the locals protesting the US presence - they were smart enough to know that without the US presence on their island they would all be living in poverty.

The "Okinawan protesters" of the t,e were really Japanese, usually students, from the main islands who would come for a day or two of protests before going home. I would be shocked to learn the people of Okonawa want the sole source of their income (the US military) off their island.


Generally the same in 2004-2006 when I was there. Futenma was a point of particular annoyance for them (and some of the locals) because it was loud and annoying and they wanted the land back. I'd believe that they want to reclaim some of the land and that they might even accomplish it, but kicking us off entirely isn't going to happen.
 
2012-05-15 01:01:52 PM  

Posh Naranek: DavidVincent: [washingtonscene.thehill.com image 400x305]

OT: That area is represented by a black guy? They must be getting nicer around there. Used to live near there and it wasn't exactly Klanville but...


No. no. This!
 
2012-05-15 01:06:03 PM  

Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there? Does this have something to do with Godzilla?


Not anymore. Among Obama's many atrocities, he's okayed the relocation of the Marines stationed at Futenma Marine Air Base. It's not a complete removal, but it's a start.
 
2012-05-15 01:07:16 PM  
I heard they were just jealous of the golf courses on base
 
2012-05-15 01:07:58 PM  

Mugato: Why does the US still have a military presence there?


Strategic location. We couldn't care jack about the territory, or Japan, or even Korea. The troops stationed there may care a lot, but from a policy perspective we'd move them out in a heartbeat if we didn't get some benefit in return. And in a global economy (especially where the people who buy out your competitions are global investors themselves), that return is enjoyed almost entirely by corporations and consumers.

Exxon, for example, couldn't care dick what happens to the U.S. They own our DoE to get what they want but that isn't necessarily access to more oil. They get that by cutting deals directly with other governments who have more. What they want is to dictate our energy policy, and if our failure to convert our infrastructure away from non-renewable fuels causes our economy to implode, they'll just move on. They're not stuck in this country the way we are. But they sure do like trade routes, as it's tough to buy oil from Saudi Arabia or sell oil to India if your pipelines and tankers keep getting attacked. Our supercarriers and global bases have nothing -- NOTHING to do with homeland defense. They're strategically placed to stabilize our trade partners. The whole "Cold War" thing was just a farce to politically justify the cost -- as if JFK or Reagan or anyone in between gave a rat's ass what happened to Berlin! For example, Japan and America can trade goods & services for some very cheap shipping insurance costs because -- for example -- if Best Korea ever decides to get cute and "a few bad apples" start sinking cargo ships, they'll be staring at some very mean looks from a carrier group. The Okinawa air base is there to remind anyone within bomber range of there (which is all of Asia) that we have a nice convenient refeuling point from which to level their country. We really don't care how they fix their problems -- their problems do NOT become our problems, or we will give them a much bigger problem. In the face of this, even the batshiat crazy governments don't make any more noise than they know they can get away with.

The U.S. military is by far the largest corporate subsidy in the U.S. federal budget. That said, we do get a very good payoff. We can buy goods as cheap as we do precisely because there's so little risk involved in global trade. Imagine just how expensive gas would be if we were genuinely concerned about a rogue government sinking our tanker ships. So I'm not complaining about the RoI. I just would like some intellectual honesty about the true purpose of our huge "defense" budget.
 
2012-05-15 01:09:44 PM  

dragonchild: especially where the people who buy out your competitions are global investors themselves


Uh, I think this particular phrase was two half-finished sentences I moved past and forgot to fix into coherent thoughts. Disregard.
 
2012-05-15 01:12:17 PM  
americantacticaljujitsu.files.wordpress.com

Sato hates Americans
 
2012-05-15 01:13:33 PM  
It's a common thing for countries to allow foreign military bases, so that's hardly surprising.
 
2012-05-15 01:37:57 PM  
China here
Japan here
Okinawa here
 
2012-05-15 01:46:08 PM  
Also, the occasional kidnap and rape of a local girl.
 
2012-05-15 01:50:27 PM  

Fluid: It's a common thing for countries to allow foreign military bases, so that's hardly surprising.


How many foreign military bases exist on US soil?
 
2012-05-15 02:05:22 PM  
If you don't want military bases on your territory, maybe you shouldn't lose the war.
 
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