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2012-05-15 01:56:00 PM

SlothB77: Mrtraveler01: SlothB77: [www.faithandfinance.org image 640x471]

can't wait for romney to bring this back.

It's at it's worst point since a Republican was president, therefore we should vote for a Republican for president.

/SlothB77 logic

It doesn't matter where the misery index is. All Romney has to do is say misery index. He should cite the value for the misery index every day. No one really has a frame of reference to compare the value to because it isn't used anymore. But it plants the seed in voters minds that there is misery that exists. They will assume that whatever value it is at now is inherently high and miserable. Voters in November will go into the voting booth 'well damn, the economy is so bad they had to break out the ol' misery index just to show how bad it is.' Then that guy votes for Rmoney.


So pretty much it's deception then?

Seems par for the course for the GOP.
 
2012-05-15 01:56:25 PM

Terrible Old Man: They look at their pantries and wallets before they vote.


presumably they open their pantry and if they see a pickle jar with a fetus in it or a two gay midgets farking, they vote Conservative
 
2012-05-15 01:56:44 PM

YELLOL: Just as hilarious as comparing the stock market price on Jan 20, 2009 to today's price and ignoring it's previous high under Bush.


All that matters is the highest point? By that logic, Hoover did a great job with the economy.

Jeebus, you're ridiculous.
 
2012-05-15 01:57:07 PM

Halli: tenpoundsofcheese: That is because Bush fixed it.
0bama then screwed it up.

So Obama just has to create an even bigger recession than the one in 2008.

Well, he is well on his way to doing that anyway.

 
2012-05-15 01:57:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: That is because Bush fixed it.
0bama then screwed it up


Bush fixed gas prices?

By allowing the biggest recession since the Great Depression to occur?

Talk about character.
 
2012-05-15 01:57:12 PM
Okay. The economy it is. America, would you rather the candidate who has the country crawling in the right direction or the candidate from the party under whom the economy tanked and who seems hell-bent on crashing the economy again? Well, that's one for Obama.

Oh, and, America, do you want to trust the economy to the candidate known for sucking all the value out of businesses, pocketing the profits, and leaving thousands of lives in ruin? No? President Obama, welcome to your second term.
 
2012-05-15 01:57:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Halli: tenpoundsofcheese: That is because Bush fixed it.
0bama then screwed it up.

So Obama just has to create an even bigger recession than the one in 2008.

Well, he is well on his way to doing that anyway.


Yes, Europe's problems are Obama's fault.

Got it!
 
2012-05-15 01:58:23 PM

rufus-t-firefly: YELLOL: Just as hilarious as comparing the stock market price on Jan 20, 2009 to today's price and ignoring it's previous high under Bush.

All that matters is the highest point? By that logic, Hoover did a great job with the economy.

Jeebus, you're ridiculous.


Uh oh, another valid point. In that case I wouldn't expect a response.
 
2012-05-15 01:58:50 PM

birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?


My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.
 
2012-05-15 01:59:36 PM
The GOP's biggest fear isn't for the slow recovery to continue and Obama gets re-elected, it is for Obama to get re-elected and the recovery accelerates. That is what keeps them up at night in a cold sweat.

8 years of decline under Dubya and 8 years of growth under Obama is bad news death sentence for the GOP.
 
2012-05-15 02:00:32 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.


No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.
 
2012-05-15 02:01:21 PM
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YELLOL: What do you mean by "real voters"? Because from the context of your post I am guessing you mean freepers and asshats without a clue.

Real voters might be people who have to buy gasoline on their way to work. I dunno, just a guess, you fargin numbskull libtard.


So you're going with asshats without a clue then? Good choice. Although you would have gotten extra credit for "cherry picking asshats without a clue".
 
2012-05-15 02:02:20 PM

YELLOL: Sorry about confusing the issue.


It's our fault for thinking you know how gas prices work when you really don't.
 
2012-05-15 02:02:34 PM

birchman: YELLOL: red5ish: YELLOL: hugram: This is Obama's economy...

hugram's derp snipped

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took ...
===========================

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

Not my website but these numbers seem about right. Link

I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

What do you mean by "real voters"? Because from the context of your post I am guessing you mean freepers and asshats without a clue.

Real voters might be people who have to buy gasoline on their way to work. I dunno, just a guess, you fargin numbskull libtard.

Their gas taxes went up 0.0 cents.


AGAIN IN CAPS AND BOLD.

INCREASED TAXES ARE NOT THE MAIN ISSUE I WAS REFERRING TO. THE INCREASED PRICE IS THE MAIN POINT.


Stop thinking you "got me" because you didn't. The high price of gas is a serious problem for Obama whether you agree or not. I imagine Obama would tend to agree that high gasoline prices are not helpful to his reelection.
 
2012-05-15 02:04:04 PM

birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.


What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon
 
2012-05-15 02:05:36 PM

YELLOL: I imagine Obama would tend to agree that high gasoline prices are not helpful to his reelection.


Gas prices are going down where I live. I think it's around 3.40/gallon now.

What the hell are you talking about?
 
2012-05-15 02:07:37 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon


Jesus Christ, really? Fine.

I couldn't help but notice that when you summarized hugram's "derp", you specifically left the part about taxes not going up. Then after the part where you posted two gas price amounts, you then referred to their relation to taxes by saying:

I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

And now your doubling down saying you weren't talking about taxes? You're a model GOP citizen my friend.
 
2012-05-15 02:08:33 PM

ToxicMunkee: I remember when Bush was president and I got my ass reamed because "omg, the president doesn't have control over the price of gas or the economy!"

But here we are, with Obama being blamed for not lowering gas prices or fixing the economy.


OBVIOUSLY, it's OK when they do it.

OK, I don't endorse that view. I say that to mock the view (and by extension those who either hold or act in accord with the view).

That is, on this view, it's OK for one to play dirty rhetorical tricks and invoke fallacies and make whacky claims, but one's opponents can do no such thing. I.e., it's OK to hold our enemies to higher standards; it's not hypocritical, but prudent. But when they do it, it proves they are morally evil and that nothing they have to say needs to be taken seriously.
 
2012-05-15 02:10:27 PM
The neo-cons want a war with Iran. As we learned with Iraq they will do anything to get the war they want and damn the consequences. Romney's already shown that he follows that old tune in foreign policy. A vote for Romney is a vote for another incredibly expensive war that the country does not want or need but will be paying for over the next few generations.
 
2012-05-15 02:10:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: YELLOL: I imagine Obama would tend to agree that high gasoline prices are not helpful to his reelection.

Gas prices are going down where I live. I think it's around 3.40/gallon now.

What the hell are you talking about?


It started out with some guy comparing the stock prices on Jan 20, 2009 to today's stock price to prove how great Obama was. I countered with gasoline prices on those same dates as a comparison to show the opposite. Then someone else tried to change the discussion to a tax rate that has not changed in the interim.

And gas prices even at $3.40 are still a lot higher than on January 20, 2009. Although the federal tax rate per gallon has not changed under Obama.

There I think that covers it and gets you up to speed.
 
2012-05-15 02:11:22 PM

bdub77: SurfaceTension: bdub77: SurfaceTension:

I'm not saying we don't need banks to loan to small businesses. I'm just saying that there has to generally be some sort of collateral for it.


Generally, there IS collateral for it in the assets purchased with the loan amount. I looked into getting a small business loan (and flat out told "no" because I had no collateral), and I went through the motions of telling the bank that if I opened a retail facility much of the loan money would be going to procuring the stuff to put on the store shelves. If worse came to worst, I could liquidate the store at 35% - 50% off and STILL make a profit and recover the initial loan cost. I'd be out the amount of money I would be putting in, but I'd be able to cover the loan. That was still not good enough because they needed "12 - 15 months of positive cash flow" before they could entertain a loan.
 
MFL
2012-05-15 02:14:04 PM
hugram
Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.

1. Job growth after a deep recession job growth always follows. When you bottom out the only place to go is up. He still has not come even close to replacing the jobs that were lost.

2. 1.7% GDP growth is a travesty after a recession of all things. Reagan had 7% GDP at the same point in time in his presidency after the recession of 1980..

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration.

No it hasn't.

Workforce participation has dipped to it's lowest level in 40 years which artificially pushes the unemployment number down. If we counted the people who stopped looking for work that were employed 4 years ago unemployment would be over 11%.

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Gov's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Gov can even help you pay for it (via loans,

Student loans are crippling your generation. In many cases you'd be better off with out a degree.

Many college grads are not finding work because they've been coddled their whole lives and don't know how to wipe their own butt and business would rather hire from within. But they still have to pay that wonderful government loan at 7.9%.

What an arrogant and stupid statement.

D The government has created the work environment that encourages jobs to be shipped overseas. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Obama has not helped the situtaion, he's made it much worse because of the debt he's added.

Average weekly paychecks have improved

They have not kept up with inflation.

Inflation has not gone up.

lol. Have you set foot in a grocery store in the past few years? Do you own an automobile?

The CPI (which the government uses to cover it's arse) is a joke. The EPI tells a much better picture and it is up 8 percent over the past year. Everyone sees this everyday at the pump and grocery store. This is also last year's numbers and we've seen some dramatic increases in certain food prices this year.


Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office

It's not what he has done, it's what he's going to do. If we take the president at his word the Bush tax cuts will not be extended again if he's re-elected. This means....

A. Capital gains go from 15% to 20%
B. Qualified dividends are going to be taxes as income not interest
C. 55% Estate tax goes back to $1 million in assets
D. Income and payroll taxes will be increased
E. Obamacare will begin fining (aka taxing) people who don't buy health insurance.
.
We haven't even scratched the surface with all of the Obamacare costs coming down the pipe in 2014.

Your articles and charts do not tell the whole story. They just take small snipets and spin them positively for the president. When people can't find work or fall behind on a mortgage that's underwater the could give a rats ass about some chart that tells them how good they are doing.

It's laughable really.
 
2012-05-15 02:15:30 PM

YELLOL: It started out with some guy comparing the stock prices on Jan 20, 2009 to today's stock price to prove how great Obama was. I countered with gasoline prices on those same dates as a comparison to show the opposite.


So in other words you tried to make something sound simplistic and ended up sounding like an idiot as a result.

Got it!
 
2012-05-15 02:15:45 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon


And how expensive was gasoline in the 2 or 3 years leading up to 1/20/2009? What was the average price of gas on May 15, 2008? And how often did Fox News insist that the price of gasoline was NOT the fault of the President? And now that a Democrat is in the White House, how often do they parrot that the price of gasoline is Obama's fault?

False dichotomies -- how the fark do they work?
 
2012-05-15 02:16:19 PM

MFL: Workforce participation has dipped to it's lowest level in 40 years


Isn't that because the boomers are retiring?
 
2012-05-15 02:17:21 PM

MFL: It's laughable really.


Then Obama should be easy to beat, right?

Right?
 
2012-05-15 02:18:40 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon


Well, here in Colorado, where we actually have an education system and dont slap a diploma in the hands of anybody who can demonstrably spell their full name and tie their shoes, we know exactly what that means.

It means we live in an economy healthy enough to afford higher gas prices, compared to the culmination of Bush's best efforts to destroy the place before he picked up his toys and went home, an economy where the real estate, credit and financial markets were on the verge of complete collapse.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you'd know full well that higher gas prices are a sign of a recovering economy. And dont worry, I'm more than happy to pick up the slack and educate all the voters you're failing to on how high gas prices are a reason to vote for Obama.

And to stick the sock in your mouth before you call me a libtard: I'm a gunsmith, lifelong member of the NRA, and a fiscal conservative. I'm the farthest thing from a typical liberal you'll ever find, and its dipshiats like you that convinced me to try and fark the Republican party at every turn.
 
2012-05-15 02:21:03 PM
this thread is really delivering!!
 
2012-05-15 02:21:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: MFL: Workforce participation has dipped to it's lowest level in 40 years

Isn't that because the boomers are retiring?


No
 
2012-05-15 02:22:59 PM

Dog Welder: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

And how expensive was gasoline in the 2 or 3 years leading up to 1/20/2009? What was the average price of gas on May 15, 2008? And how often did Fox News insist that the price of gasoline was NOT the fault of the President? And now that a Democrat is in the White House, how often do they parrot that the price of gasoline is Obama's fault?

False dichotomies -- how the fark do they work?


You are late and not up to speed either.

I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office. I have never said this was a black and white issue although now someone is going to say I have brought race into the issue by saying "black and white".

I came to Fark with low expectations and they were once again met.
 
2012-05-15 02:25:14 PM

YELLOL: I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office


I noticed you never answered me earlier so I'll ask again....how do you say that the stock market claim is stupid, yet maintain that the gas claim is valid? Aren't they both equally valid or equally ridiculous?
 
2012-05-15 02:25:25 PM
The last thing the Republicans want to talk about is the economy because it is doing so much better since Bush left office. And they can't talk about national security because Obama has done more in less than four years than Bush did in eight. And they can try to talk about guns because Obama has not taken away anyone's guns. So really the only thing they have left is scaring people about turning their kids gay. Obama was wise to get this issue out now because by the time October comes around it will pretty much have run it's course and be a non-issue (except for the most extreme conservatives).

Face it Republicans, you have nothing to run on, even after you have been trying to actively destroy the economy since Obama took office.
 
2012-05-15 02:26:42 PM

iq_in_binary: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

Well, here in Colorado, where we actually have an education system and dont slap a diploma in the hands of anybody who can demonstrably spell their full name and tie their shoes, we know exactly what that means.

It means we live in an economy healthy enough to afford higher gas prices, compared to the culmination of Bush's best efforts to destroy the place before he picked up his toys and went home, an economy where the real estate, credit and financial markets were on the verge of complete collapse.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you'd know full well that higher gas prices are a sign of a recovering economy. And dont worry, I'm more than happy to pick up the slack and educate all the voters you're failing to on how high gas prices are a reason to vote for Obama.

And to stick the sock in your mouth before you call me a libtard: I'm a gunsmith, lifelong member of the NRA, and a fiscal conservative. I'm the farthest thing from a typical liberal you'll ever find, and its dipshiats like you that convinced me to try and fa ...


That's the difference. I know the oil and energy business and you know guns. You don't have a clue.

P.S. Go ahead, shoot yourself in your fiscal conservative foot and limp over to Obama and have him pay for it, lol
 
2012-05-15 02:29:50 PM

Dog Welder: bdub77: SurfaceTension: bdub77: SurfaceTension:

I'm not saying we don't need banks to loan to small businesses. I'm just saying that there has to generally be some sort of collateral for it.

Generally, there IS collateral for it in the assets purchased with the loan amount. I looked into getting a small business loan (and flat out told "no" because I had no collateral), and I went through the motions of telling the bank that if I opened a retail facility much of the loan money would be going to procuring the stuff to put on the store shelves. If worse came to worst, I could liquidate the store at 35% - 50% off and STILL make a profit and recover the initial loan cost. I'd be out the amount of money I would be putting in, but I'd be able to cover the loan. That was still not good enough because they needed "12 - 15 months of positive cash flow" before they could entertain a loan.


You can take out a loan from your 401K. Check into it.
 
2012-05-15 02:30:01 PM

YELLOL: I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office.


True, the last time they were this high, Clinton was president.
 
2012-05-15 02:30:27 PM

YELLOL: Dog Welder: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

And how expensive was gasoline in the 2 or 3 years leading up to 1/20/2009? What was the average price of gas on May 15, 2008? And how often did Fox News insist that the price of gasoline was NOT the fault of the President? And now that a Democrat is in the White House, how often do they parrot that the price of gasoline is Obama's fault?

False dichotomies -- how the fark do they work?

You are late and not up to speed either.

I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office. I have never said this was a black and white issue although now someone is going to say I have brought race into the issue by saying "black and white".

I came to Fark with low expectations and they were once again met.


Are those goalposts heavy?
 
2012-05-15 02:30:36 PM

RockChalkH1N1: Mrtraveler01: MFL: Workforce participation has dipped to it's lowest level in 40 years

Isn't that because the boomers are retiring?

No


Got anything to prove me wrong?
 
2012-05-15 02:36:07 PM

birchman: YELLOL: I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office

I noticed you never answered me earlier so I'll ask again....how do you say that the stock market claim is stupid, yet maintain that the gas claim is valid? Aren't they both equally valid or equally ridiculous?


The comparisons, valid or ridiculous, are both beside the main point.

The price of gas is high now and some people blame whoever is in office for high gas prices. I don't make the rules.
 
2012-05-15 02:38:39 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon



Age of Fubar january 20, 2009 - 31
Age of Fubar may 15 2012 - 35

My god, Obama is killing me...

Thanks a lot Obama...
 
2012-05-15 02:41:06 PM

YELLOL: iq_in_binary: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

Well, here in Colorado, where we actually have an education system and dont slap a diploma in the hands of anybody who can demonstrably spell their full name and tie their shoes, we know exactly what that means.

It means we live in an economy healthy enough to afford higher gas prices, compared to the culmination of Bush's best efforts to destroy the place before he picked up his toys and went home, an economy where the real estate, credit and financial markets were on the verge of complete collapse.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you'd know full well that higher gas prices are a sign of a recovering economy. And dont worry, I'm more than happy to pick up the slack and educate all the voters you're failing to on how high gas prices are a reason to vote for Obama.

And to stick the sock in your mouth before you call me a libtard: I'm a gunsmith, lifelong member of the NRA, and a fiscal conservative. I'm the farthest thing from a typical liberal you'll ever find, and its dipshiats like you that convinced me ...


Which is funny, because if you knew the oil and gas business, you'd also know that domestic oil production is at its highest, higher than it has ever been under the Bush administration, same with natural gas. And at the same time, we have yet to see gas prices as high as they managed to get under Bush. And you're going to try and get on that soap box?

I know a little bit about the oil and gas business too, its that when Republicans are in office some oil and gas companies come into my state, try to get at the shale, pollute our water and land, and then when the Democrats come along and unfark everything those same oil and gas companies leave because gas isnt scarce enough anymore, leaving a ding in my state's economy as they go.

And now we have the choice yet again, pollute our land and water to get at the gas with a Republican in office, or not let the supply get scarce enough to warrant it while developing alternatives by keeping a Democrat in office.

Anybody who knew about the oil and energy industry would know Obama is a no brainer.
 
2012-05-15 02:42:29 PM

YELLOL: I know the oil and energy business


You'd think so but no, it doesn't seem like you do.
 
2012-05-15 02:42:36 PM

YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I pointed out that, believe it or not, stock prices were much higher before Obama came into office

I noticed you never answered me earlier so I'll ask again....how do you say that the stock market claim is stupid, yet maintain that the gas claim is valid? Aren't they both equally valid or equally ridiculous?

The comparisons, valid or ridiculous, are both beside the main point.

The price of gas is high now and some people blame whoever is in office for high gas prices. I don't make the rules.


Do you agree with them?
 
2012-05-15 02:46:23 PM

iq_in_binary: Anybody who knew about the oil and energy industry would know Obama is a no brainer.


YELLOL is simply trying to get the Republicans to win. He's campaigning for them, either through dumbassery or prostitution.

That's why he's spamming high gas prices even though he doesn't think the president has influence over them:

YELLOL: The price of gas is high now and some people blame whoever is in office for high gas prices. I don't make the rules.

 
2012-05-15 02:50:14 PM
The economy is back to where it was before it nosedived at the end of the Bush era. That is an amazing comeback. Jobs are coming back too. Only the gas prices are different.
 
2012-05-15 02:52:20 PM

YELLOL: iq_in_binary: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: birchman: YELLOL: I wonder how much of this increased gasoline price translates into taxes that didn't go up? You do know there are federal taxes on retail gasoline purchases, right?

You do know that federal gas taxes are a fixed per gallon amount (18.4 cents) and not a percentage of the price, right?

My main point was the price going up. I did actually wonder about the increased possibility of higher taxes but wasn't sure.

In any case, the tax part isn't the issue to the voter. It's the money they have to shell out every time they fill up.

Sorry about confusing the issue.

No, you were specifically addressing the claim that taxes hadn't gone up. Don't make me copy and paste it. Admit you were wrong and move on.

What a load of libtard crap.

Here's some real numbers that mean something to real voters:

average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon

Well, here in Colorado, where we actually have an education system and dont slap a diploma in the hands of anybody who can demonstrably spell their full name and tie their shoes, we know exactly what that means.

It means we live in an economy healthy enough to afford higher gas prices, compared to the culmination of Bush's best efforts to destroy the place before he picked up his toys and went home, an economy where the real estate, credit and financial markets were on the verge of complete collapse.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you'd know full well that higher gas prices are a sign of a recovering economy. And dont worry, I'm more than happy to pick up the slack and educate all the voters you're failing to on how high gas prices are a reason to vote for Obama.

And to stick the sock in your mouth before you call me a libtard: I'm a gunsmith, lifelong member of the NRA, and a fiscal conservative. I'm the farthest thing from a typical liberal you'll ever find, and its dipshiats like you that convinced me ...


Interesting bullsh*t in this post. Not sure who was making what point, but according to these people the highest average gas price on record as $4.11/gal on July 7th, 2008. While they have a low (in the past 12 months) of roughly $2.60/gal.

So, high while Bush was in office, then it bottomed out when Obama was elected. So electing Obama means lower gas prices apparently.
 
2012-05-15 03:00:13 PM
So the "choice" comes down to

a. Obama, and keep our sluggish economy as-is
b. Romney, who is known for firing people

Yeah, I'll have to stick with option A here.
 
2012-05-15 03:02:18 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: What if it's the gay economy?

Now *that* would be fabulous.


Please stop that.
 
2012-05-15 03:02:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Is the Freep mod on an early shift today?

Regardless, Romney's only hope is that the economy gets worse between now and November, something that hasn't happened in two years at least.


Not if its up to the teabaggers. They'll screw with the debt ceiling again in hopes of another crash. Traitors to their country and nothing more.
 
2012-05-15 03:02:38 PM

MrEricSir: So the "choice" comes down to

a. Obama, and keep our sluggish economy as-is
b. Romney, who is known for firing people and will gut the government and tax the rich at 0%

Yeah, I'll have to stick with option A here.

 
2012-05-15 03:03:10 PM

YELLOL: average gasoline price january 20, 2009 $1.898/gallon
average gasoline price may 15, 2012 $3.814/gallon



average gas price July 14, 2008 $4.11/gallon

Gas prices were higher under Bush than they have ever been under Obama. Now go wash your hands before those cherry stains set.
 
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