In Seattle he'd still have his job, and the city would be forking out another $10 million to defend against lawsuits he caused.

Marcus Aurelius Smartest
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2012-05-15 08:12:22 AM


Oh, look! It's a racist Floridian skinhead 'roid rager. How exceedingly rare. I'm sure he was simply misunderstood.



Damn straight! You can tell everything about this guy just by looking at him

Why he mad?

Oh no not this shiat again

Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?

Or when someone you don't like says something you don't agree with.

doubled99: Marcus Aurelius Smartest
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2012-05-15 08:12:22 AM

Oh, look! It's a racist Floridian skinhead 'roid rager. How exceedingly rare. I'm sure he was simply misunderstood.

Damn straight! You can tell everything about this guy just by looking at him

Just like he seems to do with people wearing hoodies

scottydoesntknow: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth.

I gotta agree with the disciplinary report. He was a dumbass for saying that on facebook, he deserves all punishment for trying to bring his co-workers down with him.

As someone who teaches in a 3rd world shiathole (Gary), I absolutely agree with what he said. Parents suck. Only those that do not work in a 3rd world shiathole would be naive to this comment. But yea, it was stupid to post this on facebook.

looks like a skinhead to me

His words hurt my feelings. He deserves to be demoted.

What's factually incorrect about his statement, anyway?

1. Poor parenting does lead to crime. This is undisputed. Especially single mother households.
2. Often failures in a community are blamed on "racism" when the sources of the failure can be found within (success at school is labeled as "acting white", a culture of violence is worshiped, etc.)
3. Trayvon was portrayed as an innocent 8 year old.
4. The style of dress in certain cultures is meant to illicit a certain response. It is intended to be intimidating. Why is it shocking and beyond the pale when someone is intimidated by it?

Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.

The problem is that he probably posted on his personal page, not some "Fire Fighter's Union" page and so he got fired,demoted etc. Not sure posting it was appropriate or not; I think people should be able to post what they want.

...aaand here comes the union to defend it.

Amurica...Fark Ya!: scottydoesntknow: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth.

I gotta agree with the disciplinary report. He was a dumbass for saying that on facebook, he deserves all punishment for trying to bring his co-workers down with him.

As someone who teaches in a 3rd world shiathole (Gary), I absolutely agree with what he said. Parents suck. Only those that do not work in a 3rd world shiathole would be naive to this comment. But yea, it was stupid to post this on facebook.


All parents suck?

doubled99: Marcus Aurelius Smartest
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2012-05-15 08:12:22 AM


Oh, look! It's a racist Floridian skinhead 'roid rager. How exceedingly rare. I'm sure he was simply misunderstood.



Damn straight! You can tell everything about this guy just by looking at him

These guys and cops seems to be cut from the same cloth anymore. What arm is his tribal tattoo on? How many days a week does he spend in a gym blasting his (insertmuscleshere)? They want young Brown-Shirts who will toe the line and protect the interests of a police state, not care for the citizens they are paid by, and is there to protect. By his picture this guy seems to look like every other younger fireman/cop caught up in some stupid shiat lately that makes news.

I can't believe all the shiat coming from this case... a man defended himself from a attacker and somehow that is wrong now... welcome to america..

Silly Jesus: His words hurt my feelings. He deserves to be demoted.

What's factually incorrect about his statement, anyway?

1. Poor parenting does lead to crime. This is undisputed. Especially single mother households.
2. Often failures in a community are blamed on "racism" when the sources of the failure can be found within (success at school is labeled as "acting white", a culture of violence is worshiped, etc.)
3. Trayvon was portrayed as an innocent 8 year old.
4. The style of dress in certain cultures is meant to illicit a certain response. It is intended to be intimidating. Why is it shocking and beyond the pale when someone is intimidated by it?

What's factually incorrect about his statement, anyway? Sillyjesus is a rotten twunt... i would love to take the time to disagree with you but I would rather shave my body with an old two man saw and your moms love tunnel drippings...

AcneVulgaris: ...aaand here comes the union to defend it.

Which half the people in this thread are doing already.

But in the union's case it's bad, because unions KILLED MY DOG AND ATE MY CHILDREN!! :p

/I also hear they're pro-circumcision and cat declawing.

Icetech3: I can't believe all the shiat coming from this case... a man defended himself from a attacker and somehow that is wrong now... welcome to america..

Damn straight. What kind of country is it where I can't shoot to death anyone I feel like at any time?

OPPRESSION!!!!

NeoBad: The problem is that he probably posted on his personal page, not some "Fire Fighter's Union" page and so he got fired,demoted etc. Not sure posting it was appropriate or not; I think people should be able to post what they want.

The problem is that he talked about his coworkers and spoke from the position of a firefighter.

Rufus Lee King: DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.

Yes, please do.

Freedom of speech does not mean speech free of consequences.

Here's the question, folks (which we have to divine, since news reporting is fourth grad quality these days): Did he post this on his personal page as a private citizen or on a public page or as a member of the Miami-Dade Fire Department? There's a big difference. If it is the former, he has a prima facie civil rights suit, which he will most definitely win. If the latter is the case, he should feel grateful he still has a job.

I don't have a problem with what he said, but just how he said it. But, of course, he is misrepresenting Martin. He and his family aren't a bunch of hood thugs. They are middle class.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.

I'll take a swing at it...

The 1st amendment may allow you to say whatever you want, but it doesn't mean you won't be held accountable for it. This is especially true when you 1) implicate others as agreeing with you without their consent, and 2) when you say it in public for everyone to see.

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: Silly Jesus: His words hurt my feelings. He deserves to be demoted.

What's factually incorrect about his statement, anyway?

1. Poor parenting does lead to crime. This is undisputed. Especially single mother households.
2. Often failures in a community are blamed on "racism" when the sources of the failure can be found within (success at school is labeled as "acting white", a culture of violence is worshiped, etc.)
3. Trayvon was portrayed as an innocent 8 year old.
4. The style of dress in certain cultures is meant to illicit a certain response. It is intended to be intimidating. Why is it shocking and beyond the pale when someone is intimidated by it?

What's factually incorrect about his statement, anyway? Sillyjesus is a rotten twunt... i would love to take the time to disagree with you but I would rather shave my body with an old two man saw and your moms love tunnel drippings...

Awww, can't defend your position so you throw out ad hominem and run away? Why even say anything at all?

I guess this guy got into public service to serve and protect middle and upper class white people. Maybe they forgot to tell him about the others.

turbidum: Rufus Lee King: DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.

Yes, please do.

Freedom of speech does not mean speech free of consequences.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but civil servants and employees of the government have substantially limited 1st amendment rights simply because it can be so hard to separate their opinion from the opinion of the government they represent.

This is like the people I see on USAToday that post their inane opinions with their facebook page attached. It took me forever to understand why people do this, but I have a few ideas.

Everyone knows that guy at work who wants everyone to hear his political opinions (usually a guy in his early 50s for some reason), but nobody ever disagrees because most people have better things to do than argue with a loudmouth. What happens is that the loudmouth thinks that the lack of disagreement is tacit agreement. In this case it was compounded by the loudmouth being the Captain - the boss. Nobody wants to disagree with the boss, so the boss thinks everyone agrees with him.

That's why he doesn't stop to think that the dumb shiat he posts on line will come back to haunt him. He thinks everyone will agree. They've never disagreed before.

Icetech3: I can't believe all the shiat coming from this case... a man defended himself from a attacker and somehow that is wrong now... welcome to america..

If you don't like America then you can just GET OUT!

DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.


I was under the imprssion that the 1st protects you from the govt infringing on your freedom of speech. Since he works for the govt and they punished him for his speech it does strike me as a 1st issue.

rudemix: doubled99: Marcus Aurelius Smartest
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2012-05-15 08:12:22 AM


Oh, look! It's a racist Floridian skinhead 'roid rager. How exceedingly rare. I'm sure he was simply misunderstood.



Damn straight! You can tell everything about this guy just by looking at him

These guys and cops seems to be cut from the same cloth anymore. What arm is his tribal tattoo on? How many days a week does he spend in a gym blasting his (insertmuscleshere)? They want young Brown-Shirts who will toe the line and protect the interests of a police state, not care for the citizens they are paid by, and is there to protect. By his picture this guy seems to look like every other younger fireman/cop caught up in some stupid shiat lately that makes news.

I doubt he's gestapo or ss youth, probably shaves his head because he's going bald and wants to look good for the ladies. He probably also became a fireman to impress the ladies.

Having lived in the ghetto, I think he and the teacher from Gary who posted on this thread earlier are both remembering the "don't give a fark" poor more than the "trying hard to get the fark out of here" poor.

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.


I was under the imprssion that the 1st protects you from the govt infringing on your freedom of speech. Since he works for the govt and they punished him for his speech it does strike me as a 1st issue.

again, aim pretty sure that GOV employees have limited first amendment rights by design so that people don't confuse their individual opinion with government policy. If i'm incorrect in this, feel free to tell me how. (anyone)

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amurica...Fark Ya!: scottydoesntknow: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth.

I gotta agree with the disciplinary report. He was a dumbass for saying that on facebook, he deserves all punishment for trying to bring his co-workers down with him.

As someone who teaches in a 3rd world shiathole (Gary), I absolutely agree with what he said. Parents suck. Only those that do not work in a 3rd world shiathole would be naive to this comment. But yea, it was stupid to post this on facebook.


All parents suck?

In all honesty? I would say at most 15% of the parents at my school actually give a fark about their kids (they never just have one).

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.


I was under the imprssion that the 1st protects you from the govt infringing on your freedom of speech. Since he works for the govt and they punished him for his speech it does strike me as a 1st issue.

I just saw the "and my co-workers" and "we" stuff, nevermind. They can demote him for that.

"I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth. They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug,"

What's incorrect about what he wrote, exactly? The man's spot on.

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?


*Sigh*

Will somebody explain the 1st amendment to this guy...again.


I was under the imprssion that the 1st protects you from the govt infringing on your freedom of speech. Since he works for the govt and they punished him for his speech it does strike me as a 1st issue.

When you work for the government you typically sign some really vague agreement to not bring negative publicity to, or say anything disparaging about, your workplace etc. etc.

It's a catch-all that removes any right you may have to talk about your workplace unless you are saying "THIS IS THE BEST PLACE EVER - MY BOSS COULD NOT BE ANY MORE AMAZING."

mikaloyd: That kid has done more for minority rights and race relations by getting himself killed than he ever could have done by living. Trayvon is a An hero.

FTFY

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth. They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug,"

What's incorrect about what he wrote, exactly? The man's spot on.


Why not save yourself all of the typing and just write, "I'm scared"? Smh.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Why not save yourself all of the typing and just write, "I'm scared"? Smh.

Gee, I wonder why regular people might fear roving packs of animalistic thugs. They must have not attended all the diversity training seminars.

Rufus Lee King: So, the First Amendment is A-OK until someone says something you don't agree with, eh?

The first amendment protects you from getting fired for your dumbass comments?

OH GOOD!!! we needed another trayvon thread

Icetech3: I can't believe all the shiat coming from this case... a man defended himself from a attacker and somehow that is wrong now... welcome to america..

...then ended up getting shot to death by said attacker.

Lets try breaking this down. From TFA:
"I and my coworkers could rewrite the book
This is his first mistake. He is implying that he is representing the political/social opinion of a group of government employees. His status within the union (i believe it said he was union president) only entitles him to represent their interests in employment issues.

on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling
There he has potentially identified a specific racial demographic as the source of his claims, rather than a geographical or economical demographic that would not be inclusive to a single race.

or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents,
Any semblance of attempt at scholarly rhetoric has been lost. IT is purposely inflammatory, targeting a specific race, while claiming to represent a group of government employees.

but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth. They're just misunderstood little church going angels
Now hes just being a dick.

and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug,"
I think I might be willing to agree with this for the simple reason that as a culture, we find most things that cover the head/face area or would otherwise help to conceal the identity of a person, to be intimidating. That is not to say that their are not perfectly good reasons for concealing the head and face, but when you see someone, anyone, approaching you at night in a poorly lit area with their identity concealed, there is a bit if a flight response that sets in.

OR have i just lived in Chicago too long?

/only been mugged by white people.

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: DROxINxTHExWIND: Why not save yourself all of the typing and just write, "I'm scared"? Smh.

Gee, I wonder why regular people might fear roving packs of animalistic thugs. They must have not attended all the diversity training seminars.

Here's some evidence to back up my point. Even active duty soldiers aren't safe from these roving packs of hoodlums. And that was hardly an isolated incident - shiat like that happens all the time in every state. But yeah, this is all obviously caused by white racism.