18) Although Obama stated, "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," the National Rifle Association gave Obama a rating of 'F' based on his voting record

So what's 0-fartbama-hussein's voting record, exactly?

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Lost Thought 00: crazyeddie: 18) Although Obama stated, "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," the National Rifle Association gave Obama a rating of 'F' based on his voting record

So what's 0-fartbama-hussein's voting record, exactly?

In the last 3.5 years, he has not once cast a vote to expand firearm usage, nor has he cast any votes to stop right-restricting legislation. You can't argue with such clear facts as those.

I chortled.

Mitt just needs a reality show where he pretends to know how to shoot, but for some reason knows nothing about shooting. Worked for Palin.

crazyeddie: 18) Although Obama stated, "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," the National Rifle Association gave Obama a rating of 'F' based on his voting record

So what's 0-fartbama-hussein's voting record, exactly?

His record is that right after he won his second term, he outlawed everything down to squirt guns. So yeah he really earned that "F".

/Seriously, that's the reasoning.

Democrats do not want to grab you guns. It is demarked urban vs rural... it is just the democrats have a firmer hold on the urban vote that it appears to be a party thing. Stoopid city folk scared of something that they know nothing about ruining it for people who know how to use guns properly.

Lost Thought 00: How can a ban be "permanent"? Something is either banned or it is not, and all laws/constitutions are subject to change, so how can any ban be more permanent than any other?

Because many laws have to be renewed regularly or they expire, like the federal assault weapon ban that had a sunset date of 2004.

Lost Thought 00: How can a ban be "permanent"? Something is either banned or it is not, and all laws/constitutions are subject to change, so how can any ban be more permanent than any other?

IIRC, a lot of states use weasel words and legal terms making the bans temporary that have to be renewed. Like, say, the original federal assault weapons ban and the Bush tax cuts.

Saiga410: Democrats do not want to grab you guns. It is demarked urban vs rural... it is just the democrats have a firmer hold on the urban vote that it appears to be a party thing. Stoopid city folk scared of something that they know nothing about ruining it for people who know how to use guns properly.

They are scared due to all the urban gun violence. While we need to seriously do something to reduce the amount of gun deaths, bans don't work. I think we just need to do more to secure whats already out there, by encouraging gun safes, lock boxes, etc, to prevent theft, and streamline the backround check process or something.

Saiga410: Democrats do not want to grab you guns. It is demarked urban vs rural... it is just the democrats have a firmer hold on the urban vote that it appears to be a party thing. Stoopid city folk scared of something that they know nothing about ruining it for people who know how to use guns properly.

Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Maybe it's just that what makes sense in Notooth, NE makes little sense in midtown Manhattan.

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Some do not. Anyone who advocates imposition of an "assault weapons ban" likely knows nothing of firearms.

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Some do not.

Fascinating. This amazingly holds true where ever you are. City, country, or burb.

Anyone who advocates imposition of an "assault weapons ban" likely knows nothing of firearms.

Maybe they just feel there is little justification for people owning assault weapons. You clearly disagree.

Falcc: Lost Thought 00: crazyeddie: 18) Although Obama stated, "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," the National Rifle Association gave Obama a rating of 'F' based on his voting record

So what's 0-fartbama-hussein's voting record, exactly?

In the last 3.5 years, he has not once cast a vote to expand firearm usage, nor has he cast any votes to stop right-restricting legislation. You can't argue with such clear facts as those.

I chortled.

Well they did drop the ban in Federal parks on concealed weapons. That makes it so Obama administration has done pro gun stuff, but no antigun legislation at all.

That sort of record doesn't create sales however out of fearful people who can be ripped off by paying $1600 for an $800 rifle and doesn't get donations to lobbyist groups so it must better to come up with a bunch of bs. Keep them fearful and keep the money rolling in.

crazyeddie: 18) Although Obama stated, "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," the National Rifle Association gave Obama a rating of 'F' based on his voting record

So what's 0-fartbama-hussein's voting record, exactly?

Well, you see, he voted to run as a Democrat.

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Some do not.

Fascinating. This amazingly holds true where ever you are. City, country, or burb.

Anyone who advocates imposition of an "assault weapons ban" likely knows nothing of firearms.

Maybe they just feel there is little justification for people owning assault weapons. You clearly disagree.

In free societies, prohibition must be "justified" and, in absence of "justification", prohibition is deemed unreasonable.

I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns

In a majority vs minority levely, yes. The majority is willing to buy into faulty ideas on what is scary guns.

CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Maybe it's just that what makes sense in Notooth, NE makes little sense in midtown Manhattan.

Probably cause there are no blah people hiding in the alley ready to take your stuff in Notooth, NE.

Did you really just go there?

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Some do not.

Fascinating. This amazingly holds true where ever you are. City, country, or burb.

Anyone who advocates imposition of an "assault weapons ban" likely knows nothing of firearms.

Maybe they just feel there is little justification for people owning assault weapons. You clearly disagree.

In free societies, prohibition must be "justified" and, in absence of "justification", prohibition is deemed unreasonable.

Yes, I already stated that you clearly disagree.

EWreckedSean: Lost Thought 00: How can a ban be "permanent"? Something is either banned or it is not, and all laws/constitutions are subject to change, so how can any ban be more permanent than any other?

Because many laws have to be renewed regularly or they expire, like the federal assault weapon ban that had a sunset date of 2004.

Right; the "permanent" part just means that it doesn't have a sunset provision.

CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah people in cities know nothing about guns.

Some do not.

Fascinating. This amazingly holds true where ever you are. City, country, or burb.

Anyone who advocates imposition of an "assault weapons ban" likely knows nothing of firearms.

Maybe they just feel there is little justification for people owning assault weapons. You clearly disagree.

In free societies, prohibition must be "justified" and, in absence of "justification", prohibition is deemed unreasonable.

Yes, I already stated that you clearly disagree.

You are correct; I disagree with totalitarians who seek to restrict liberty without justification.

Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

Guns . . .

Are we doing some kind of weird who's-on-first thing here?

Come on, we all know by now that the NRA is just another wing of the GOP. If Obama went to TV tomorrow and said that gun ownership would be federally mandatory next week, the NRA would still just claim it was a subversive attempt to take away your guns.

Giltric: CPennypacker: Its too damn crowded

Life exists outside of the 5 boroughs.......try getting out more.

When I said "here" I meant the city. I think they should be legal outside the city.

Like I said I like guns. I want a gun when I leave NYC. I just think its too crowed and chaotic here.

CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

Guns . . .

Are we doing some kind of weird who's-on-first thing here?

"Guns" are physical objects, not a right of action. Your response is thus incoherent.

Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

Guns . . .

Are we doing some kind of weird who's-on-first thing here?

"Guns" are physical objects, not a right of action. Your response is thus incoherent.

Stop being deliberately obtuse.

Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

Guns . . .

Are we doing some kind of weird who's-on-first thing here?

"Guns" are physical objects, not a right of action. Your response is thus incoherent.

Are you farking stupid? They are weapons.

Like I said, I don't think they should be banned across the board. I LIKE guns. But external factors need to be taken into account. Its just like, my opinion man.

And FWIW I disagree with the interpretation of the second amendment.

And again, I THINK GUNS SHOULD BE LEGAL

qorkfiend: Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: Dimensio: CPennypacker: I like guns. If I moved somewhere more spread out I would buy a bunch and enjoy them. I live in New York, and I don't think we should have them here. Its too damn crowded and chaotic.

What other Constitutionally protected liberties do you believe should be restricted based upon in-country geography?

The ones that can farking kill people

And which specific Constitutionally protected liberties "can farking kill people"?

Guns . . .

Are we doing some kind of weird who's-on-first thing here?

"Guns" are physical objects, not a right of action. Your response is thus incoherent.

Stop being deliberately obtuse.

I have requested identification of Constitutionally protected liberties that CPennypacker believes should be restricted based upon geographic location within the United States of America. Thus far, no specific liberties have been identified in response. Your claim that I am being "obtuse" is disingenuous.