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2012-05-14 10:53:18 PM
Hindustan Ambassador!
 
2012-05-14 10:54:34 PM
I would love to have the Morgan.
 
2012-05-14 10:56:39 PM
Sparce list is sparce. The Ford Fiesta has been in production since 1976.
 
2012-05-14 10:58:20 PM
They're still making Deloreans in Texas.
 
2012-05-14 10:59:47 PM

Lunchlady: Sparce list is sparce. The Ford Fiesta has been in production since 1976.


Having the same doesn't make it the same car. A 2012 Fiesta is nothing like a 1976 model.
 
2012-05-14 11:05:36 PM

Lunchlady: Sparce list is sparce. The Ford Fiesta has been in production since 1976.


you really should go back and read the actual article.

I'm really surprised that the VWs on the list haven't substantially changed in 30 years.
 
2012-05-14 11:06:57 PM

Tellingthem: I would love to have the Morgan.


Ditto. But I'm intelligent to realize I should only get one if I win a farkload of money in the lottery and can afford to throw away money on a rather impractical toy.
 
2012-05-14 11:15:17 PM
Jeep CJ/Wrangler?
 
2012-05-14 11:15:27 PM

OgreMagi: Tellingthem: I would love to have the Morgan.

Ditto. But I'm intelligent to realize I should only get one if I win a farkload of money in the lottery and can afford to throw away money on a rather impractical toy.


I know, but man I've always had a thing for old British cars. And when I found out that Morgans have an ash frame they jumped to the top of my list. I always figured that I would be able to afford a used one someday...
 
2012-05-14 11:19:20 PM

Tellingthem: OgreMagi: Tellingthem: I would love to have the Morgan.

Ditto. But I'm intelligent to realize I should only get one if I win a farkload of money in the lottery and can afford to throw away money on a rather impractical toy.

I know, but man I've always had a thing for old British cars. And when I found out that Morgans have an ash frame they jumped to the top of my list. I always figured that I would be able to afford a used one someday...


They're really not that bad, as they're so simple that anyone with a little sense can do all the repairs themselves.
 
2012-05-14 11:22:53 PM
I believe AM General is still producing High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles to the same design that first rolled off the line in 1984.
 
2012-05-14 11:26:18 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Tellingthem: OgreMagi: Tellingthem: I would love to have the Morgan.

Ditto. But I'm intelligent to realize I should only get one if I win a farkload of money in the lottery and can afford to throw away money on a rather impractical toy.

I know, but man I've always had a thing for old British cars. And when I found out that Morgans have an ash frame they jumped to the top of my list. I always figured that I would be able to afford a used one someday...

They're really not that bad, as they're so simple that anyone with a little sense can do all the repairs themselves.


For me i consider them a toy because I really don't need one and I can buy a used Honda, that is safer, more economical, and more reliable for a lot less money. But todays cars just don't have the style of those older ones. I would also love an old International or Willys to play around with. Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong era...
 
2012-05-14 11:27:53 PM
So the engine can change, the look can change, the materials can change, and apparently even the name can change as long as it is the same "platform". I'm not a car guy. Can anyone tell me what a "platform" is?
 
2012-05-14 11:32:33 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: So the engine can change, the look can change, the materials can change, and apparently even the name can change as long as it is the same "platform". I'm not a car guy. Can anyone tell me what a "platform" is?


The basic floorpan and unibody frame.

In the old days, when cars were body on chassis, they changed the bodies but not the chassis. Once they went to unibody construction, they learned how to change the styling of the body without changing the engineering.
 
2012-05-14 11:34:12 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: So the engine can change, the look can change, the materials can change, and apparently even the name can change as long as it is the same "platform". I'm not a car guy. Can anyone tell me what a "platform" is?


The base of the car like the frame. The platform usually describes all the various models built on the same base. Chrysler "k" cars for example. Link
 
2012-05-14 11:39:56 PM
Thank you D-Y and Tellingthem. Makes more sense now why the cars I thought would be on the list were left off.
 
2012-05-14 11:45:38 PM
Oh, and I should point out that a couple of the cars on the list (the Morgan and WV Microbus and possibly the Bristol) are still built body on chassis. The Morgan is such a throwback that it's actually a wooden frame covered in sheet metal on a steel chassis.
 
2012-05-14 11:52:40 PM
How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?
 
2012-05-14 11:59:21 PM

RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?


I don't know the answers to those questions, but I do know that you can't import it to the States, as even though it's an old design, a newly-built Microbus is treated as a new car and has to meet current emission and safety standards.
 
2012-05-15 12:01:19 AM

RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?


According to wiki...
"Borrowed from the Volkswagen Fox, the engine is a rear-mounted EA-111 1.4 L 8v Total Flex 1,390 cc (84.8 cu in), 58 kW (79 PS; 78 bhp) on petrol, and 60 kW (82 PS; 80 bhp) when run on ethanol, and 124 N·m (91 lbf·ft) torque. This version has been very successful, despite the minor changes made to the overall T2-bodied vehicle. It still includes the four-speed transmission, but with a new final drive ratio it can cruise at 120 km/h (75 mph) at 4,100 rpm. Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph). 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) is achieved in 22.7 seconds"
 
2012-05-15 12:03:31 AM
I would have assumed that the classic Jeep had stayed similar enough in styling that it could have made this list.
 
2012-05-15 12:03:33 AM

RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?


You can't drive from Columbia to Panama and the ferry stopped running in the 90s, I think. Oh, hey, a new ferry service was supposed to start on 5/10. Maybe it's doable after all.
 
2012-05-15 12:07:35 AM

unyon: I would have assumed that the classic Jeep had stayed similar enough in styling that it could have made this list.


It was totally redone in 2007. So an entirely new platform
 
2012-05-15 12:12:24 AM

Dwight_Yeast: RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?

I don't know the answers to those questions, but I do know that you can't import it to the States, as even though it's an old design, a newly-built Microbus is treated as a new car and has to meet current emission and safety standards.


Interesting. I know from one state to another, sometimes you just have to wait six months. I was hoping the month or two of time driving up and the roughly 5,000 mile drive up here might suffice for allowing it to be imported.

Tellingthem: Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph).


Woo hoo! 81 mph? Perhaps I should forget the idea of A/C while driving up a hill.

jtown: You can't drive from Columbia to Panama and the ferry stopped running in the 90s, I think. Oh, hey, a new ferry service was supposed to start on 5/10. Maybe it's doable after all.


Well it would either be ferry or perhaps powered parachute.... :(

Seriously where did you read of a new ferry (not that I will be on it soon.)
 
2012-05-15 12:39:34 AM

RoyBatty: Dwight_Yeast: RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?

I don't know the answers to those questions, but I do know that you can't import it to the States, as even though it's an old design, a newly-built Microbus is treated as a new car and has to meet current emission and safety standards.

Interesting. I know from one state to another, sometimes you just have to wait six months. I was hoping the month or two of time driving up and the roughly 5,000 mile drive up here might suffice for allowing it to be imported.

Tellingthem: Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph).

Woo hoo! 81 mph? Perhaps I should forget the idea of A/C while driving up a hill.

jtown: You can't drive from Columbia to Panama and the ferry stopped running in the 90s, I think. Oh, hey, a new ferry service was supposed to start on 5/10. Maybe it's doable after all.

Well it would either be ferry or perhaps powered parachute.... :(

Seriously where did you read of a new ferry (not that I will be on it soon.)


Might be easier to just get one in Mexico. They use them everywhere for public transportation. You'd be buying second hand, though so better be prepared to scrape a metric shiat-ton of grime and assorted mystery substances. Not sure if they sell them new still.

//more common in central and SE Mexico from what I hear.
/should go for about $2.5 - 3.5k but don't take my word for it
 
2012-05-15 01:16:14 AM

Tellingthem: RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?

According to wiki...
"Borrowed from the Volkswagen Fox, the engine is a rear-mounted EA-111 1.4 L 8v Total Flex 1,390 cc (84.8 cu in), 58 kW (79 PS; 78 bhp) on petrol, and 60 kW (82 PS; 80 bhp) when run on ethanol, and 124 N·m (91 lbf·ft) torque. This version has been very successful, despite the minor changes made to the overall T2-bodied vehicle. It still includes the four-speed transmission, but with a new final drive ratio it can cruise at 120 km/h (75 mph) at 4,100 rpm. Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph). 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) is achieved in 22.7 seconds"


Jesus. I have a larger engine making more output than that in my motorcycle.
 
2012-05-15 01:22:19 AM

RoyBatty: Dwight_Yeast: RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?

I don't know the answers to those questions, but I do know that you can't import it to the States, as even though it's an old design, a newly-built Microbus is treated as a new car and has to meet current emission and safety standards.

Interesting. I know from one state to another, sometimes you just have to wait six months. I was hoping the month or two of time driving up and the roughly 5,000 mile drive up here might suffice for allowing it to be imported.

Tellingthem: Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph).

Woo hoo! 81 mph? Perhaps I should forget the idea of A/C while driving up a hill.

jtown: You can't drive from Columbia to Panama and the ferry stopped running in the 90s, I think. Oh, hey, a new ferry service was supposed to start on 5/10. Maybe it's doable after all.

Well it would either be ferry or perhaps powered parachute.... :(

Seriously where did you read of a new ferry (not that I will be on it soon.)


I googled the entartubes for columbia panama ferry to verify my recollection of what year the ferry stopped and found a link to this story.
 
2012-05-15 01:40:32 AM

jtown: I googled the entartubes for columbia panama ferry to verify my recollection of what year the ferry stopped and found a link to this story.


That's actually pretty neat, and good to know -- wish I were on it!
 
2012-05-15 05:29:05 AM

Hand Banana: They're still making Deloreans in Texas.


Not exactly; as I recall they are only assembling cars from leftover raw
materials they bought from the bankrupt company.
 
2012-05-15 07:05:09 AM
Looks like all the bad guys from Cars 2.
 
2012-05-15 08:08:14 AM

Tellingthem: RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?

According to wiki...
"Borrowed from the Volkswagen Fox, the engine is a rear-mounted EA-111 1.4 L 8v Total Flex 1,390 cc (84.8 cu in), 58 kW (79 PS; 78 bhp) on petrol, and 60 kW (82 PS; 80 bhp) when run on ethanol, and 124 N·m (91 lbf·ft) torque. This version has been very successful, despite the minor changes made to the overall T2-bodied vehicle. It still includes the four-speed transmission, but with a new final drive ratio it can cruise at 120 km/h (75 mph) at 4,100 rpm. Top speed is 130 km/h (81 mph). 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) is achieved in 22.7 seconds"


And it starts at R$44.495
 
2012-05-15 09:39:51 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Lunchlady: Sparce list is sparce. The Ford Fiesta has been in production since 1976.

you really should go back and read the actual article.

I'm really surprised that the VWs on the list haven't substantially changed in 30 years.


According to the comments they are not the same Jetta and Passat sold here.
 
2012-05-15 10:47:13 AM

Lunchlady: Sparce list is sparce. The Ford Fiesta has been in production since 1976.


img404.imageshack.us
 
2012-05-15 11:23:14 AM
I wondered about the Studebaker Avanti, but it seems that it was last made in 2006, not to mention the problems of how much the last version corresponded to the original.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-15 11:28:24 AM
the ford F150 should get an honorable mention

/still wish it had the straight 6, got the v6 3 years ago because my old one was falling apart
//should have grabbed the collectors plates for it
 
2012-05-15 11:49:39 AM

RoyBatty: How much does a Microbus cost in Brazil, is the engine now big enough to support A/C while driving up a hill and can I drive it (most of the way) back up here?


You could probably legally drive it across the various national borders.

However, you could not legally register it in the United States once you got it here.
 
2012-05-15 12:07:33 PM

Tater1337: the ford F150 should get an honorable mention


No.

1970 Lada:

upload.wikimedia.org

2010 Lada:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-15 01:34:17 PM
Tater1337: the ford F150 should get an honorable mention

/still wish it had the straight 6, got the v6 3 years ago because my old one was falling apart
//should have grabbed the collectors plates for it


The current suspension has only been in use since 1997.
 
2012-05-16 11:41:29 AM
I was a little sad when Checker Motors closed in 2010.
 
2012-05-16 12:43:52 PM

Oldiron_79: The current suspension has only been in use since 1997.


Does the Mustang get an honorable mention then? Its rear suspension dates back to the Model T.

I'm still surprised at how much performance Ford gets out of that ancient live axle.
 
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