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2012-05-14 11:09:33 PM  
This is the price you pay when you have convictions.

A lot of people are just fair-weather friends, it seems.
 
2012-05-14 11:10:06 PM  

Wayne 985: heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.

What's the gay equivalent to "Uncle Tom?"


A Log Cabin Republican.
 
2012-05-14 11:10:38 PM  

hubiestubert:
It should be the Republican position. On freedom of religion grounds. On equality under the law. Under the right of privacy. It should be the Conservative position, and the Republican position. Rights are not granted, they are inherent, and if you support the Constitution and the rights of Americans, and guaranteeing those rights, it should be what you support.

The GOP has let the Religious Right control the platform, and it has led to this disconnect. It is driving folks from the party. Conservatives like myself, who are now labeled Moderates, or RINOs, for hewing to the values of the party, instead of these radicals who hate the Constitution, hate its protections, and hate their neighbors and want to stick their noses in folks' business.


Really? In your lifetime this has never been true. This hasn't been the case since the dixiecrats abandoned the democratic party over the civil rights movement. This hasn't been true since Strom Thurmond was a goddamn democrat. I get that you're a thinking conservative. You come across as well-spoken and thoughtful. But honestly, man, really?
 
2012-05-14 11:12:16 PM  
Wait, people are giving Romney money? WTF?!

The guy has his own giant pile of money, you know. You can also stop sending checks made out to Bill Gates while you're at it.
 
2012-05-14 11:12:37 PM  
GIS for "mitt romney", "bill white" and "constellation group" (in order to tell the difference from Bill White the Nazi) gives you zero relevant links before last week. I realize that Bill's a neat guy and all, but for CNN to parade him as a major donor is ludicrous.

///of course Ludicrous supports Obama
 
2012-05-14 11:12:48 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is the price you pay when you have convictions.

A lot of people are just fair-weather friends, it seems.


Nobody embodies "convictions" like Mitt Etch-a-Sketch Romney!
 
2012-05-14 11:13:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Romney's response will tell me what I am wanting to know about his presidency- will he bend to money or to popular will? We know he bends, but what is his motivation? Popularity or greed?


Popular greed. Or greedy popularism. We'll see who's ahead in November.
 
2012-05-14 11:14:33 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the price you pay when you have convictions.

A lot of people are just fair-weather friends, it seems.

Nobody embodies "convictions" like Mitt Etch-a-Sketch Romney!


RomneyTron 5000 has many convictions! It is capable of having over 10,000 different convictions per second, five to seven times more than a standard human political unit.
 
2012-05-14 11:15:42 PM  
"You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history"

You gotta know when someone on FOX agrees with you the writing is on the wall.

Fox's Shep Smith: Republicans On 'Wrong Side Of History' On Gay Marriage
 
2012-05-14 11:16:46 PM  
fta: Meanwhile, Romney is not alone in seeing backlash from supporters.

The president has also faced problems over his stance. While some African-American pastors took to the pulpit Sunday to support the president, others were critical. One religious leader, Emmett Burns of Baltimore, supported Obama in 2008 but has now pulled his support.


Last one up the ladder into the Civil Rights Tree Fort and the first to vote to pull the ladder up behind himself.

What an asshat.

Yuppo, the GOP appear to have put all their eggs in the "America is a country of bigots" basket.

That's never a good idea.

They are on the wrong side of history, morality, practicality, humanity, pretty much everything good and decent at this point.

I hope they're proven wrong big time in November.
 
2012-05-14 11:17:59 PM  
Oh and here's a list of countries that have legalized same-sex marriage:

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
The Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Seriously, Argentina and South Africa are ahead of us on this. How f'd up is that?
 
2012-05-14 11:18:40 PM  

fusillade762: "You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history"

You gotta know when someone on FOX agrees with you the writing is on the wall.

Fox's Shep Smith: Republicans On 'Wrong Side Of History' On Gay Marriage


Shep Smith has always been the lone voice of sanity on that network. I bet he has to down an entire bottle of cough syrup in his car before walking into the building each day, just to blunt the pain from the crazy he's going to witness.
 
2012-05-14 11:20:38 PM  

fusillade762: Oh and here's a list of countries that have legalized same-sex marriage:

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
The Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Seriously, Argentina and South Africa are ahead of us on this. How f'd up is that?


And Israel allows gays to openly serve in the military, and you know how much THEIR armed forces suck.
 
2012-05-14 11:24:04 PM  

Wayne 985: What's the gay equivalent to "Uncle Tom?"


I have an Uncle Tom and he is gay. He doesn't vote for Republicans, though.
 
2012-05-14 11:26:11 PM  
People can talk all they want to pollsters and the press, but the fact is that the majority of the voters still vote against gay marriage almost every chance they get (even in my Blue State of California). So this is actually an issue that might lose Obama the election... having real principles means that sometimes you pay the price.

...and of course the FACT that Romney saved the US auto industry should hurt Obama as well.

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"I'll save America from the gays and Rich People from taxes in the same way."
 
2012-05-14 11:27:00 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: fusillade762: Oh and here's a list of countries that have legalized same-sex marriage:

Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
The Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

Seriously, Argentina and South Africa are ahead of us on this. How f'd up is that?

And Israel allows gays to openly serve in the military, and you know how much THEIR armed forces suck.


Homosexuality was literally illegal in Portugal before 1982. That's how slow the US is moving on this issue.
 
2012-05-14 11:27:28 PM  
uh...this isn't a new position.
Mr. Big Gay MaxDonor maxed out only to stop for this?

Doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
2012-05-14 11:27:44 PM  

Aldon: People can talk all they want to pollsters and the press, but the fact is that the majority of the voters still vote against gay marriage almost every chance they get (even in my Blue State of California). So this is actually an issue that might lose Obama the election... having real principles means that sometimes you pay the price.

...and of course the FACT that Romney saved the US auto industry should hurt Obama as well.

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"I'll save America from the gays and Rich People from taxes in the same way."


Didn't Romney also kill Bin Laden?
 
2012-05-14 11:27:57 PM  
Looks like gay marriage (nttawwt) is all the libs might get this election.

House will be taken over by Eric Cantor. Senate will be taken over by teabaggers who will replace unbelievably outrageously robotic partisan tool Mitch McConnell with an incomprehensibly more partisan ultra-right flaming tool. Even if Obama stays in the White House, the best anyone can hope for is a shoe-heel jammed through the floorboards as the right-wing maniacs floor the gas in the direction of the nearest cliff.
 
2012-05-14 11:28:07 PM  
GLARGLEBARGLE! SMALL GOVERNMENT! !!!!!1
So youre ok with not limiting rights?
WHARRGARBLE CHRISTIAN NATION!eleven
So we should be tolerant then?
HERPADERPA STATES' RIGHTS!!!!!1!
Ok then we'll legalize it and marijuana to boot, cool?
GARSHAMARSHNA TYRANNY OF TE MINORITY!!!!!
 
2012-05-14 11:34:13 PM  
How on earth could any gay person support today's Republicans in the first place? It's like a Jew donating money to someone like Abedinejad.
 
2012-05-14 11:36:25 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: How on earth could any gay person support today's Republicans in the first place? It's like a Jew donating money to someone like Abedinejad.


Gay people can be assholes too.
 
2012-05-14 11:39:26 PM  
So I thought this would be funny and somewhat relevant:

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2012-05-14 11:41:32 PM  
 
2012-05-14 11:44:58 PM  

firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.


Give it 20 years.
 
2012-05-14 11:48:33 PM  
"You want your money back? You can kiss my ass... I mean, suck my balls... I mean... oh, just take it! The money, I mean the money! Take the money. Please don't touch me!"
 
2012-05-14 11:49:50 PM  

dr_blasto: Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?

Romney wasn't always this way:
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Even as governor, he at least supported SOME gay rights (i.e., adoption by a gay couple), though openly stated he didn't support gay marriage.

This is Romney's fight to lose. He could just keep f*cking quiet on the whole issue, or hell, even go for broke and SUPPORT equal rights, and it's not like the fundie base is gonna bail ship and vote for Obama. What are they gonna do instead? Throw their vote away on a 3rd party candidate, like the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson? OH WAIT, HE SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE, TOO!!

...

f*cking GOP, THIS is what the media means when they say you're on the wrong side of history!
 
2012-05-14 11:51:02 PM  

Wyalt Derp: "You want your money back? You can kiss my ass... I mean, suck my balls... I mean... oh, just take it! The money, I mean the money! Take the money. Please don't touch me!"


The magic underwear will protect him.
 
2012-05-14 11:52:23 PM  
So it's kind of like the black voters who are going to throw Obama overboard for supporting "teh gayz."
 
2012-05-14 11:52:25 PM  
Love GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans' reactions to Obama's announcement. Regardless of whether it's "calculated" or a "profile in courage" or not, he took a stance they should be agreeing with considering their core constituency, and the guy they're backing has come out and said he disagrees. They're throwing their weight behind a guy who not only disagrees with them, but has made them targets in a culture war, because the other guy didn't come around to their side fast enough or for the right reasons or whatever their excuse is. Either they have Stockholm Syndrome really bad, or they don't actually represent gay people at all.
 
2012-05-14 11:54:37 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Cyberluddite: Oh, blow me.

Whilst you are technically correct that he placed his financial interests ahead of his own personal social stances or those of people like him, Serious Black has an even more important point.

When people finally see the light and seek to make amends, just let them do it. If it were the Nazi thing, we could hang a few of them... However, this is nothing even remotely similar. He was simply used to looking out for his financial bottom line because he thinks Republican economic policies work better for him. He's rich and wants to stay rich, and grow richer. That blinds a lot of people to any social issue that doesn't affect their bottom line.

This is America. We forgive people for f*cking a horse on live TV if they come out and honestly ask for forgiveness.

You can be right in your mind. It's true, he's a opportunist. But, if your goal is to bring more people like this into your frame of thinking, just ignore it or let it go. Romney won't address this loss because doing so would give Obama potent ammunition. They will ignore this and it will go away. In all, it means nothing. However, hopefully he can convince his friends who are GOP voters for economic reasons to support his decision, get their money back and switch candidates.

You don't have to hang out with the dude, but at least he took a shot at Romney for his clinging to the Talibanical vote.


Pretty much this. Also: If this guy is gay and not in the ME generation, I'm not really going to criticize him shooting himself in the foot, because the Boomers were damn good at farking up gay peoples' heads. If that's what happened with this guy, defying Mommy and Daddy's voices in his head was probably excruciating, and deserves more the Hero tag than Amusing.

/I pray it's not that, but in this world...
 
2012-05-14 11:55:49 PM  

MrEricSir: Wait, people are giving Romney money? WTF?!

The guy has his own giant pile of money, you know. You can also stop sending checks made out to Bill Gates while you're at it.


He's not betting his own money on this run. It's almost all Other People's Money. He ran a freakin' hedge fund. OF COURSE he's only playing with OPM, geesh.

www.businessweek.com
 
2012-05-14 11:57:51 PM  

coeyagi: Mittens Romney - I may be on the wrong side of history now, but wait until Bain Capital pays off all the textbook writers buys Glencoe, McGraw-Hill, etc, runs them into the ground and makes it so there are no sides of history at all.™


FTFY
 
2012-05-15 12:01:45 AM  

abb3w: You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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whats up with the bump way back there in 1911s bracket?
 
2012-05-15 12:04:15 AM  
"I felt we gave 'Hope and Change' a chance and I was looking for something different," White said.

So...you were looking to go back to the policies that you voted to change last time?

Some people are farking idiots.
 
2012-05-15 12:07:50 AM  
In other news, chickens no longer support the candidacy of Colonel Sanders and Frank Perdue.

/Fox "News" unavailable for comment
 
2012-05-15 12:10:43 AM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


In his defense, Romney used to support both equality and universal healthcare.
 
2012-05-15 12:10:49 AM  
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2012-05-15 12:12:49 AM  

Steve Zodiac: firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.

I actually wish that was the Republican position on this and a lot of other issues. At one time the stated Republican position was that government should stay out of peoples lives as much as possible. Now they still say those words, but Republicans want to enact laws interfering with peoples lives because it offends conservative religious beliefs. It's not just gay marriage, in some states its businesses open on Sundays, its what race you are allowed to marry (no white/black, or white/asian and probably white/mexican), as well as forcing patriotism by reciting a pledge. Forced beliefs are not real. If you really want patriotism, teach American history honestly (both the good and the bad), and show how it is really different in most parts of the world. The U.S. is far from perfect, but so is every other nation on earth. And Republicans say they are for 'States Right', but not if the state votes for medical marijuana or a death with dignity law. Then the Federal Government knows best, and States Rights are quickly forgotten.


At one time *they said* their position was for the government staying out of people's lives, but in every case, whether it be with regard to you growing your own drugs and ingesting them with no harm to others, or with regard to sodomy laws, they've been staunchly in favor of the government being in my doctors office and in my home... what they've been for is for the government staying out of *their* homes and doctors' offices.
 
2012-05-15 12:16:11 AM  

Ned Stark: whats up with the bump way back there in 1911s bracket?


I'd assume small sample size. Not too much of that age bracket still around.
 
2012-05-15 12:18:05 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.

Then they'll lose the entire teabagger demographic for being compromising cowards.


The question is whether they will lose the TEA people anyways... lets be blunt, taxes are at a historic low, the Taxed Enough Already people are vocal about hating on the gays, increasing military spending, and NOT cutting Medicare (keep the government out of my medicare!). It is difficult to say what the TEA people are for or against, but the only given is that they are hateful, uncompromising, and unready for any real governing.
 
2012-05-15 12:22:34 AM  
The one part I don't get is the part where he asks for the money back.

The way campaigns spend, you tend to not get the money back, because the money's no longer there to give back. Campaigns have a breakneck spending rate. Once you donate, you're never seeing that money again.

Besides, it's not your money anymore. It's their money now.
 
2012-05-15 12:23:10 AM  
It's important to stay focused on issues like this rather than the issues of war, the economy, the banking industry... etc... don't lose focus America!
 
2012-05-15 12:24:31 AM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


I'd generally agree, but Romney was aggressively pro-gay rights when he was governor. In fact, i you look at his record when he was in office, he was slightly to the Left of Obama.

But trying to get elected by the Republicans this year, he's had to shift far to the right of not only his own positions, but further to the right than any GOP presidential candidate has ever gone.
 
2012-05-15 12:24:56 AM  

skylabdown: It's important to stay focused on issues like this rather than the issues of war, the economy, the banking industry... etc... don't lose focus America!


Yes, we should focus on all those and remember that the Republicans are even worse there than they are on civil rights.
 
2012-05-15 12:27:11 AM  

skylabdown: It's important to stay focused on issues like this rather than the issues of war, the economy, the banking industry... etc... don't lose focus America!


Why are you not on my Ignore list?

And how long has it been since you've used this alt to post here? Everyone's coming out of the woodwork this election year!

What's next, the return of the Czar?
 
M-G
2012-05-15 12:29:08 AM  

dr_blasto: Didn't Romney also kill Bin Laden?


I'm sure he'll "take a lot of credit for it."
 
2012-05-15 12:30:21 AM  
Oddly enough, gay marriage was when I finally got disillusioned with the right as well.
 
2012-05-15 12:39:25 AM  

Ned Stark: whats up with the bump way back there in 1911s bracket?


Dunno. Data doesn't support significant personal experimentation, though. (I did check for that possibility....)

Current leading guesses are a merely attitudinal legacy of gay (18)90s parents, roaring (19)20s upbringing, actually remembering what imminent doom looks like from the Great Depression and not buying claims Gay Marriage will cause it, or just plain not caring at this point if the grandchildren have to get adopted as long as they COME OVER TO VISIT, DAMMIT.

Or, y'know, comparatively low sample N leading to higher uncertainty in the percentages, and a minimal outlier sample.

Feel free to visit a few old folks homes and do some interviews to try and figure out what else it might be.

(Betty White is 1922, BTW.)
 
2012-05-15 12:42:18 AM  
But history is dialectal, so what comes up comes down, so probably, at some point, even if Gay marriage is made legal in the US, it'll not be legal in the future. For example, probably in the not too distant future, USA will simply cease to be. Then it won't matter. Gay marriage won't be legal or illegal in the USA; it will simply cease to be.

In short, saying things like "you're on the wrong side of history" presupposes that history has a telos, that the world is not just changing, but getting better all the time -- a view, as Hegel put it, that, as humans progress, we get more and more rational, and more and more perfected, and similar to Absolute Mind (or Spirit).

But that doesn't seem correct. I mean, people aren't getting better, and the Enlightenment Ideal is hogwash. If anything, human nature is more irrational, fragmented, and disorganized than ever. Numerous forms of Theistic and Atheistic fundamentalism abound. As technology progresses, as the pace of life quickens, we are less and less able to deal with ourselves: there is less and less space between "I want" and "I will"; there is scant space between the realization "I can" to the movement of "I shall."

In other words, why not suppose we're all just flailing about? Not progressing anywhere. History isn't some 'big deal' --- it's just a record of what happened. Like the tides moving in and out, yin and yang, etc. etc.

"Run rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is down
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one"

Or, I dunno, "Keep farking that chicking, son"
 
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