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2012-05-14 06:10:36 PM  
How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.
 
2012-05-14 06:19:29 PM  
Romney's response will tell me what I am wanting to know about his presidency- will he bend to money or to popular will? We know he bends, but what is his motivation? Popularity or greed?
 
2012-05-14 06:21:27 PM  
Good luck with the refund
 
2012-05-14 06:23:47 PM  

firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.


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2012-05-14 06:35:19 PM  
FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?
 
2012-05-14 06:37:17 PM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


Wonder when he first began to realize this might not be a great idea?
 
2012-05-14 06:49:46 PM  

firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.


I actually wish that was the Republican position on this and a lot of other issues. At one time the stated Republican position was that government should stay out of peoples lives as much as possible. Now they still say those words, but Republicans want to enact laws interfering with peoples lives because it offends conservative religious beliefs. It's not just gay marriage, in some states its businesses open on Sundays, its what race you are allowed to marry (no white/black, or white/asian and probably white/mexican), as well as forcing patriotism by reciting a pledge. Forced beliefs are not real. If you really want patriotism, teach American history honestly (both the good and the bad), and show how it is really different in most parts of the world. The U.S. is far from perfect, but so is every other nation on earth. And Republicans say they are for 'States Right', but not if the state votes for medical marijuana or a death with dignity law. Then the Federal Government knows best, and States Rights are quickly forgotten.
 
2012-05-14 06:51:42 PM  

Steve Zodiac: At one time the stated Republican position was that government should stay out of peoples lives as much as possible. Now they still say those words


They've said the words, but weren't interested in delivering. Not that I've ever seen.

States Rights became a thing as part of the Southern Strategy, I think. That was, what, in the late 60s/early 70s?
 
2012-05-14 06:54:17 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Steve Zodiac: At one time the stated Republican position was that government should stay out of peoples lives as much as possible. Now they still say those words

They've said the words, but weren't interested in delivering. Not that I've ever seen.

States Rights became a thing as part of the Southern Strategy, I think. That was, what, in the late 60s/early 70s?


People are so damn gullible it's sad. The idea too that "fiscally conservative" means dick all is another one.
 
2012-05-14 07:08:06 PM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


Insulting people who decide to change their support like this guy because they didn't do it on your timetable sets the civil rights movement back and only hinders more people from following his example and doing the same. In other words, stop being a farking dick and celebrate that he is following his conscience to the side of liberty.
 
2012-05-14 07:26:03 PM  

Serious Black: Insulting people who decide to change their support like this guy because they didn't do it on your timetable sets the civil rights movement back and only hinders more people from following his example and doing the same. In other words, stop being a farking dick and celebrate that he is following his conscience to the side of liberty.


Oh, blow me. (And I mean that in a non-sexual, non-gay way, of course.) I mean, this is like a rich Jew originally supporting a known neo-Nazi because he thought he might lower his taxes, and then one day saying "you know what, I think that maybe it's wrong to advocate extermination of Jews, so I'm going to change my support to the guy who just explicitly came out against Jew-extermination." Given that the Republican Party in general, and the Mormon Church in particular, has openly led the fight against equal rights for this this guy and people like him, he was a farking idiot to ever support a guy like Mittens, regardless of any "timetable." What "sets the civil rights movement back" is putting your economic interests ahead of your personal rights, as this guy undoubtedly did.
 
2012-05-14 07:55:42 PM  

Cyberluddite: Oh, blow me.


Whilst you are technically correct that he placed his financial interests ahead of his own personal social stances or those of people like him, Serious Black has an even more important point.

When people finally see the light and seek to make amends, just let them do it. If it were the Nazi thing, we could hang a few of them... However, this is nothing even remotely similar. He was simply used to looking out for his financial bottom line because he thinks Republican economic policies work better for him. He's rich and wants to stay rich, and grow richer. That blinds a lot of people to any social issue that doesn't affect their bottom line.

This is America. We forgive people for f*cking a horse on live TV if they come out and honestly ask for forgiveness.

You can be right in your mind. It's true, he's a opportunist. But, if your goal is to bring more people like this into your frame of thinking, just ignore it or let it go. Romney won't address this loss because doing so would give Obama potent ammunition. They will ignore this and it will go away. In all, it means nothing. However, hopefully he can convince his friends who are GOP voters for economic reasons to support his decision, get their money back and switch candidates.

You don't have to hang out with the dude, but at least he took a shot at Romney for his clinging to the Talibanical vote.
 
2012-05-14 07:55:44 PM  
Godwin'd. It's been fun, everyone.
 
2012-05-14 08:25:18 PM  
When you're rich, you look at for yourself and the other rich.

Until it might effect orgasms. Then, it's back to that old truism that money doesn't buy love.

/Alternatively, check out the new conservative stance. Larry Craig would be proud.
 
2012-05-14 09:15:20 PM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


Exactly this. Romney's position on this has been the same this entire campaign.
 
2012-05-14 09:24:19 PM  

DamnYankees: Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?

Exactly this. Romney's position on this has been the same this entire campaign.


Well, up until now their official positions haven't been all that different. Obama was obviously more friendly to gay people than Romney, what with all that equal rights legislation, but when it came to marriage he was against it. Being a New Yorker, this guy's other rights were not being violated, so with that to consider, he probably just went with the guy who would cut his taxes since it'd end up ultimately the same as far as his rights went.

Then Obama did the right thing, and Romney objected and then went full retard about civil unions being evil too.
 
2012-05-14 09:27:39 PM  
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2012-05-14 09:33:38 PM  
Oh man, this one is going to be real good!

/extra popcorn
 
2012-05-14 09:34:09 PM  

bdub77: [i.imgur.com image 600x395]


Oh, man! I can't wait until the debates when he brings out Franklin.
 
2012-05-14 10:03:41 PM  

bdub77: [i.imgur.com image 600x395]


LOL
 
2012-05-14 10:10:14 PM  
Well, we're drawing the lines in the sand now pretty deep.

Is it moral to believe in your religious beliefs so much, you can deny equal rights to other Americans who don't share them?

It didn't work out so well for Jefferson Davis and other Confederate leaders who quote the Bible to justify slavery, did it?
 
2012-05-14 10:15:55 PM  
I'm sure there are lots of Republican gays who were able to justify their support of the GOP because they were not single-issue voters. Kind of like how I'm a Democrat, even though I'm personally anti-abortion. But now the battle lines have been very clearly drawn, and the positions are definitely mutually exclusive. And the rhetoric is only going to get worse as time goes on. It's reaching a tipping point - when your party's candidate comes right out and says you can't have equal rights - in public... well, that changes alot of minds.

People tend to become single-issue voters when the issue is public denouncement of them personally.
 
2012-05-14 10:25:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Good luck with the refund


If Romney had flip-flopped he might have some footing. Obama evolving a position doesn't give the guy grounds to ask for his money back. Of course keeping the money (if he does) makes Romney look douchey and desperate.
 
2012-05-14 10:26:20 PM  

Steve Zodiac: firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.

I actually wish that was the Republican position on this and a lot of other issues. At one time the stated Republican position was that government should stay out of peoples lives as much as possible. Now they still say those words, but Republicans want to enact laws interfering with peoples lives because it offends conservative religious beliefs. It's not just gay marriage, in some states its businesses open on Sundays, its what race you are allowed to marry (no white/black, or white/asian and probably white/mexican), as well as forcing patriotism by reciting a pledge. Forced beliefs are not real. If you really want patriotism, teach American history honestly (both the good and the bad), and show how it is really different in most parts of the world. The U.S. is far from perfect, but so is every other nation on earth. And Republicans say they are for 'States Right', but not if the state votes for medical marijuana or a death with dignity law. Then the Federal Government knows best, and States Rights are quickly forgotten.


It should be the Republican position. On freedom of religion grounds. On equality under the law. Under the right of privacy. It should be the Conservative position, and the Republican position. Rights are not granted, they are inherent, and if you support the Constitution and the rights of Americans, and guaranteeing those rights, it should be what you support.

The GOP has let the Religious Right control the platform, and it has led to this disconnect. It is driving folks from the party. Conservatives like myself, who are now labeled Moderates, or RINOs, for hewing to the values of the party, instead of these radicals who hate the Constitution, hate its protections, and hate their neighbors and want to stick their noses in folks' business.
 
2012-05-14 10:31:56 PM  
I don't think he was following Mittens too closely. I watched him during the Mass. Supreme Court's decision and Mitt's subsequent resurrection of a 1913 anti-miscegenation law to limit as much the Court's power. He did everything in his power to sway, threaten, and destroy as much of that ruling as possible. Very publicly.
 
2012-05-14 10:32:33 PM  

AirForceVet: Is it moral to believe in your religious beliefs so much, you can deny equal rights to other Americans who don't share them?


Catholics have been playing this game for a couple thousand years. You do what is right for goodness sake not because it is mandated by Government. Even if you concede that same sex marriage is a sin and immoral, Catholic's are supposed to shame you into not doing it. What possible import are rules of men and Governments when the ultimate judgement is an eternity in heaven or hell. Of course, Christianity likes to influence what is legal/illegal but they are well accustomed to Governments telling them to fark off and they know how to deal with that.
 
2012-05-14 10:36:09 PM  
I figured it would be 2030 before the Republicans started claiming that they were the ones who really stood for gay rights and that's why you should support them when they want to deny basic civil rights to... I dunno, AIs or aliens or talking dolphins or something. At this rate they'll be trying to fark that chicken by next year.
 
2012-05-14 10:36:53 PM  

DamnYankees: Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?

Exactly this. Romney's position on this has been the same this entire campaign.


In fairness, it's sometimes hard to tell where he stands.

He used to support gays serving in the military, for example, and no longer does. I vaguely recall something about housing and job discrimination too, where I think he previously fought to protect gay people and again changed his stance.
 
2012-05-14 10:41:45 PM  

Steve Zodiac: It's not just gay marriage, in some states its businesses open on Sundays, its what race you are allowed to marry (no white/black, or white/asian and probably white/mexican), as well as forcing patriotism by reciting a pledge.


Ummm. . . no one is pushing for those laws any more, as they are blatantly unconstitutional (cf. Loving v. Virginia). Sure, there was that incident last year where a justice of the peace (or clerk, or whatever) retired rather than give out a marriage certificate to a mixed-race couple, but that's a far cry from the other things you're talking about.
 
2012-05-14 10:41:48 PM  
"While some African-American pastors took to the pulpit Sunday to support the president, others were critical. One religious leader, Emmett Burns of Baltimore, supported Obama in 2008 but has now pulled his support."

Love everyone, but those people love too much? is there a dirty love?
 
2012-05-14 10:43:36 PM  
Mittens Romney - I may be on the wrong side of history now, but wait until Bain Capital pays off all the textbook writers.™
 
2012-05-14 10:43:54 PM  
carphotos.cardomain.com
 
2012-05-14 10:47:11 PM  

Wayne 985: DamnYankees: Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?

Exactly this. Romney's position on this has been the same this entire campaign.

In fairness, it's sometimes hard to tell where he stands.

He used to support gays serving in the military, for example, and no longer does. I vaguely recall something about housing and job discrimination too, where I think he previously fought to protect gay people and again changed his stance.


I'm pretty sure he was a huge advocate of them having access to at least military style haircuts.
 
2012-05-14 10:47:14 PM  
FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.
 
2012-05-14 10:47:34 PM  

relaxitsjustme: [carphotos.cardomain.com image 250x188]


I just realized how much I miss those commercials.
 
2012-05-14 10:47:54 PM  
sometimes i wonder how conflicted the log cabin republicans are.
 
2012-05-14 10:48:19 PM  

firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.


Then they'll lose the entire teabagger demographic for being compromising cowards.
 
2012-05-14 10:49:46 PM  

heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.


The think to understand about groups like Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud is that they are high-RWA types who happen to be gay. They're not civil rights crusaders, they're just people who feel they should be included in the most privileged caste and are annoyed that they're not. They're not going to do anything to strengthen anyone to the left of Pinochet.
 
2012-05-14 10:52:27 PM  

heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.


What's the gay equivalent to "Uncle Tom?"
 
2012-05-14 10:53:33 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: firefly212: How long till Romney and the other Republicans flop on this one and start supporting limited government by not deciding who can/can't get married.

Then they'll lose the entire teabagger demographic for being compromising cowards.


And if your typical Republican congresscritter flip-flops on this one they'll lose in the next primary to the teabagger candidate.

What will it be Republicans? The rock or the hard place?
 
2012-05-14 10:55:14 PM  

Wayne 985: heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.

What's the gay equivalent to "Uncle Tom?"


Rush Limbaugh I believe
 
2012-05-14 10:56:57 PM  
So he sides more with Romney on fiscal policy despite Romney's submitted budget to the media increasing the deficit and raising the taxes on the middle classes and... oh, reduces taxes to rich people. Never mind.
 
2012-05-14 10:58:16 PM  
t6ak.roblox.com
 
2012-05-14 11:01:02 PM  
Mitt Romney hasn't just recently chosen to be on the wrong side of history. Mitt Romney owns a summer home in Wrong Side of History. Where was this guy when Romney was stumping around behaving like the world's biggest conservatard?

You gave him money? Consider it "stupid tax" and move on with your life.
 
2012-05-14 11:01:32 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.

The think to understand about groups like Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud is that they are high-RWA types who happen to be gay. They're not civil rights crusaders, they're just people who feel they should be included in the most privileged caste and are annoyed that they're not. They're not going to do anything to strengthen anyone to the left of Pinochet.


I hear you, It's like just to have a seat at the kiddie table they will compromise their integrity because the onlly thing that matters to them is being at the GOPs fabulous dinner party.
 
2012-05-14 11:01:51 PM  

Wayne 985: heavymetal: FTFA: Following news of the president's decision, leading Republican LGBT advocacy groups expressed skepticism over its motivation. GOProud called Obama's announcement "hardly a profile in courage" and the Log Cabin Republicans labeled it "calculated." That suggests that the president's stance has not swayed everyone in the gay community to support him.

LOL,that sounds like when the right wing chickenhawks are trying to explain why bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice was a bad thing.

What's the gay equivalent to "Uncle Tom?"


Lindsey Graham.
 
2012-05-14 11:03:47 PM  
Eh. I'm going to say good on him for finally seeing the light, even if it took him a while. Considering how many people stubbornly cling to how they imagine things are, no matter what (Fark's local Republicans, for example) - it's better to change one's mind late in the game than not at all.

/Same reason why I refuse to badmouth Obama for taking this long.
//Admitting that they were wrong takes guts.
 
2012-05-14 11:04:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm sure there are lots of Republican gays who were able to justify their support of the GOP because they were not single-issue voters. Kind of like how I'm a Democrat, even though I'm personally anti-abortion. But now the battle lines have been very clearly drawn, and the positions are definitely mutually exclusive. And the rhetoric is only going to get worse as time goes on. It's reaching a tipping point - when your party's candidate comes right out and says you can't have equal rights - in public... well, that changes alot of minds.

People tend to become single-issue voters when the issue is public denouncement of them personally.


It's a bit more then single issue, though. Republicans across the country have been going after gays getting married, gays being school teachers, gays adopting, gays visiting each other in the hospital, etc etc.

turbidum: Ummm. . . no one is pushing for those laws any more, as they are blatantly unconstitutional (cf. Loving v. Virginia). Sure, there was that incident last year where a justice of the peace (or clerk, or whatever) retired rather than give out a marriage certificate to a mixed-race couple, but that's a far cry from the other things you're talking about.


And you don't think that there's not a lot of southerners that would still ban it if they could? Hell, look at the Liberty U. stance of interacial marriage/dating. It's a states rights issue! And next? Employers being able to ban it, because it's their religion!
 
2012-05-14 11:05:38 PM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA: A well-known, openly gay supporter of Mitt Romney in New York has decided to withdraw his support for Romney and back President Barack Obama instead.

Gee, you're gay, you apparently feel strongly about marriage equality, and yet at some point you decided to support a Republican candidate who happens to be one of America's best-known Mormons from a family that has been influential and connected in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints since, literally, the days of Brigham Young. You're only now figuring out that he just might not be on your side on this issue?


Romney wasn't always this way:
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2012-05-14 11:07:52 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: The thing to understand about groups like Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud is that they are high-RWA types who happen to be gay.


Hmmmm, does that make them tend toward the submissive side of things? Any fabulous Farkers here with experience dating right-wing self-loathing people wanna comment?
 
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