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2012-05-14 09:44:28 PM
DavidVincent: Comrade Frum.
Red Diaper baby,Neo Conservative,Redistributionist.


unperson! unperson! unperson!
 
2012-05-14 09:45:17 PM
Homicider: lazyguineapig33: looks like a horde old people jealously trying to steal the vitality of the youth, instead of accepting that their time is over and their duty is to step aside and allow the youth to flourish for the betterment of all.

Whatever. It's clearly the cast of "Cocoon" giving a milk-bath to Rush Limbaugh.


Are you sure it's milk?
 
2012-05-14 09:45:25 PM
soy_bomb: CBS/NY Times Poll, Romney in the lead.

A dead heat poll within the margin of error and you're going to claim the Democrats are outliers? I'll say it again, LOLWUT.

Also: what do you think about Eisenhower's farewell address and how should it inform our public debate today?
 
2012-05-14 09:45:54 PM
soy_bomb: "The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

Keep farking that Chicken...


Why don't you come up with your own jeers, Bill?
 
2012-05-14 09:47:31 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: When you see a drug addict who is out of control is your first reaction to give them more drugs?

What if I'm not an addict, I just have a lot of friends that really like drugs? Will you give me more drugs then?
 
2012-05-14 09:47:50 PM
DavidVincent: Comrade Frum.
Red Diaper baby,Neo Conservative,Redistributionist.


David Frum?

file.walagata.com
 
2012-05-14 09:49:27 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Being more generous? Blame the victim.

That is like saying you are being stingy because you aren't providing more drugs to a drug addict.


More generous in the concept of limited resources, as in don't drink all the water in the Oasis.
 
2012-05-14 09:50:46 PM
Nadie_AZ: bdub77: a crumbling infrastructure

I'm still waiting for this to be fully addressed.


In the PA/NJ/NY area, the stimulus money is going a long way towards fixing the worst problems. PennDot is rebuilding a number of bridges here in Philly, they're completely rebuilding the NJ and parts of the PA Turnpikes, and there's a lot of work going on in NYC as well.
 
2012-05-14 09:51:39 PM
Dwight_Yeast: Nadie_AZ: bdub77: a crumbling infrastructure

I'm still waiting for this to be fully addressed.

In the PA/NJ/NY area, the stimulus money is going a long way towards fixing the worst problems. PennDot is rebuilding a number of bridges here in Philly, they're completely rebuilding the NJ and parts of the PA Turnpikes, and there's a lot of work going on in NYC as well.


But...but socialism!
 
2012-05-14 09:57:20 PM
theorellior: A dead heat poll within the margin of error and you're going to claim the Democrats are outliers?

Look at the details in the poll. They're saying Rmoney is leading Obama by two points among women. That tells you everything you need to know about its validity right there. Horse race uber alles!
 
2012-05-14 09:57:44 PM
Weaver95: Because it doesen't fit the narrative. Today's GOP is about one thing - Getting rid of Obama. that's their only goal right now. Everything else is secondary. i'm not even sure the Republicans know HOW to fix our problems...they just know that Obama is wrong, and he has to be stopped.

A lot of Republicans refuse to acknowledge the problems or agree on the reality of them. From the past week:
Obama has shut down coal and oil production across the country (expect Texas!)
The economy is losing jobs at record rates.
The stock market has been in a continuous down spin since he's been in office.
He's just ruined the country period.
He's planning to outlaw medical care.
He's planning to outlaw medical care for whites and give it all to blacks and hispanics.
He's killed the US' reputation abroad
All he cares about is his international reputation and he's willing to sellout the country for it.
 
2012-05-14 09:58:07 PM
The problem isn't necessarily the Republicans. Or the elderly. Or the boomers. The problem is with the the idiots.

It just so happens that the idiots are disproportionately represented in those groups, but it really IS just the idiots.
 
2012-05-14 10:01:30 PM
make me some tea: For the love of God, VOTE these idiots OUT of Congress this year.

If we vote the idiots out of Congress, we'll be down to two Sergeants-at-Arms and a janitor.
 
2012-05-14 10:02:37 PM
bdub77: But...but socialism!

Like I said, I like Socialism. We're social animals, evolved to rely on and support one another. I know that the right wing in this country wants to pretend it's 1870, the West is still open and we're all rugged individualists settlers, but that's bullshiat and I'm tired of it.

I don't make a whole lot of money, but I'll happily pay more in taxes if it means everyone in this country gets good healthcare and no one is going hungry. My piece of mind is worth a hell of a lot more than money.
 
2012-05-14 10:03:05 PM
Snarfangel: If we vote the idiots out of Congress, we'll be down to two Sergeants-at-Arms and a janitor.

And Bernie Sanders.
 
2012-05-14 10:04:06 PM
Dwight_Yeast: In the PA/NJ/NY area, the stimulus money is going a long way towards fixing the worst problems. PennDot is rebuilding a number of bridges here in Philly, they're completely rebuilding the NJ and parts of the PA Turnpikes, and there's a lot of work going on in NYC as well.

Quite a few bridges, overpasses, intersections and highways were rebuilt and repaved with stimulus funds over the last two years around here. I drive over many of them regularly, and I'm pretty satisfied I got my money's worth. You can say what you want about the state government, but MASSDOT didn't fark around getting boots and shovels to work quickly.
 
2012-05-14 10:04:33 PM
Satanic_Hamster: The stock market has been in a continuous down spin since he's been in office.

The news media is feeding that one: they've taken to reporting on the stock markets only when they go down, but not when they go up. Even my (Republican) mother noticed that recently; the DOW's over 13K but they're behaving like we're on the brink of collapse.
 
2012-05-14 10:05:23 PM
Dwight_Yeast: Satanic_Hamster: The stock market has been in a continuous down spin since he's been in office.

The news media is feeding that one: they've taken to reporting on the stock markets only when they go down, but not when they go up. Even my (Republican) mother noticed that recently; the DOW's over 13K but they're behaving like we're on the brink of collapse.


fear is good for ratings.
 
2012-05-14 10:05:29 PM
WhyteRaven74: Snarfangel: If we vote the idiots out of Congress, we'll be down to two Sergeants-at-Arms and a janitor.

And Bernie Sanders.


Bernie Sanders, two Sergeants-at-Arms and a janitor would form a much better (and more truly representative) House than currently exists.
 
2012-05-14 10:06:23 PM
Nothing is ever going to get resolved until all the greedy bastards in congress and wall street are held accountable for their actions. They rip off the American public and get away with little or no repercussions. It's the good old boy network at it's best, their hooray for me and fark the rest attitude is an insult to our intelligence. And yet we condone it.
I will guarantee they will never have a committee that will point out waste and fraud and do something about it.
One more thing, if we spent the money in America that we spent on the wars of the last ten years, I don't think we would be nearly as bad off as we are now. We wouldn't have had to borrow trillions from China and be in their debt.
 
2012-05-14 10:06:25 PM
Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Look at the details in the poll. They're saying Rmoney is leading Obama by two points among women. That tells you everything you need to know about its validity right there. Horse race uber alles!

Really, the details don't matter when then whole point of the original post was that there was no statistical difference between the two and yet Romney was automatically president and the Democrats had to go paint Mr. Rushmore red with two-inch detailing brushes.
 
2012-05-14 10:06:30 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Bernie Sanders, two Sergeants-at-Arms and a janitor would form a much better (and more truly representative) House than currently exists.

I can not disagree with that statement.
 
2012-05-14 10:06:48 PM
theorellior: You can say what you want about the state government, but MASSDOT didn't fark around getting boots and shovels to work quickly.

Biden did the NE a favor by making sure that projects that were "shovel-ready" got funding first, as he knew that all the DOTs from Maryland to Maine had laundry lists of "deferred maintenance" projects that they've been begging money for years for.
 
2012-05-14 10:11:26 PM
cig-mkr: Nothing is ever going to get resolved until all the greedy bastards in congress and wall street are held accountable for their actions.

Some of us are working on it, but the media says we're all violent communist hippies who eat puppies and play Skrillex covers in drum circles before going out to push old ladies in front of trains and people believe them instead of their own lying eyes. Nothing, I am afraid, is ever going to get resolved until things get bad enough that reality penetrates the bubble of corporate noise.
 
2012-05-14 10:12:04 PM
Lando Lincoln: Or dead. There's always that third option.

That option should be kept on the table, I think. The American thing can't and shouldn't be kept on hold while one of many generations dithers about whether it should've committed the atrocity of Disco.

Respect your elders and all that, but how much respect are you really willing to cough up at the point of a gun?
 
2012-05-14 10:14:09 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Nothing, I am afraid, is ever going to get resolved until things get bad enough that reality penetrates the bubble of corporate noise.

Of course, by that point we're in Tyler Durden territory but hey, at least it'll make life interesting.
 
2012-05-14 10:16:12 PM
Dwight_Yeast: Biden did the NE a favor by making sure that projects that were "shovel-ready" got funding first, as he knew that all the DOTs from Maryland to Maine had laundry lists of "deferred maintenance" projects that they've been begging money for years for.

I should've known. I'm in favor of stimulus packages that focus on infrastructure, but I was quite surprised how quickly the crews got to work. The summer of 2009 I did a lot of traveling around New England and there were "Funded by the Stimulus Package" signs all over VT, NH, CT and MA.

One particular nasty stretch of road near me took out the struts in my suspension during the winter of 2008, I was so happy to see it get ripped up and repaved.
 
2012-05-14 10:17:11 PM
Weaver95: A Dark Evil Omen: Nothing, I am afraid, is ever going to get resolved until things get bad enough that reality penetrates the bubble of corporate noise.

Of course, by that point we're in Tyler Durden territory but hey, at least it'll make life interesting.


It does seem like the aristos are hell-bent on turning every scare-story they can come up with about The Crazies into reality.
 
2012-05-14 10:22:50 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Weaver95: A Dark Evil Omen: Nothing, I am afraid, is ever going to get resolved until things get bad enough that reality penetrates the bubble of corporate noise.

Of course, by that point we're in Tyler Durden territory but hey, at least it'll make life interesting.

It does seem like the aristos are hell-bent on turning every scare-story they can come up with about The Crazies into reality.


I don't think I could point to any single thing thats driving the GOP insane. its almost like a 'perfect storm' of insanity, ideology and inertia finally shoved the Republicans into a place where they can't move without losing key body parts.

not to mention that the individual factions that make up the GOP are off doing their own thing and not under control anymore: the tea party is bumping off ranking members of congress with primary challengers, the corporate wing is being piggishly greedy in public and the evangelicals are creating a massive backlash by pushing a social agenda that the majority of voters simply will not ever accept.

one day the GOP is going to look up and shout 'save us' and i'll whisper 'no'.
 
2012-05-14 10:30:25 PM
theorellior: One particular nasty stretch of road near me took out the struts in my suspension during the winter of 2008, I was so happy to see it get ripped up and repaved.

Yeah, the only complaint I have is that the money is going towards parts of the Federal highway system, which means the bridges they're fixing here are on 95, but the city didn't get much and they've had to cut their budget so much recently that surface streets aren't getting repaved as quickly as they need to be.
 
2012-05-14 10:30:39 PM
It's actually even worse than it appears. Not only are the Republicans the party of "No," but they are actively reneging on promises they made during last summer's debt ceiling debate. They got actually compromised, but now that it's time to live up to those compromises, they're refusing and in some cases, just doing the opposite. So not only can they not be reasoned with, not only are there no possible negotiations, but now you can't even trust them to follow through with the promises they do make.

But thank God for Rush and Fox, who will keep the faithful blaming the libruls.

Goddamn it, you guys, I live here too. Stop farking up my country.
 
2012-05-14 10:34:33 PM
HotWingConspiracy: [img.photobucket.com image 542x698]

Good god, man. That was unnecesary you rotten bastard.
 
2012-05-14 10:36:48 PM
HotWingConspiracy:

What is this? I don't even...
 
2012-05-14 10:40:12 PM
JerkStore: It's actually even worse than it appears. Not only are the Republicans the party of "No," but they are actively reneging on promises they made during last summer's debt ceiling debate. They got actually compromised, but now that it's time to live up to those compromises, they're refusing and in some cases, just doing the opposite. So not only can they not be reasoned with, not only are there no possible negotiations, but now you can't even trust them to follow through with the promises they do make.

But thank God for Rush and Fox, who will keep the faithful blaming the libruls.

Goddamn it, you guys, I live here too. Stop farking up my country.


I believe the migration of civilization was caused in part, in some cases more than others, the inability of the old to release control to the new.

In the past the progressive parts of a society would reach a point and say "fark this. fark these guys. We're outta here."

Sadly there is no where left to go. We're stuck together. The right slowly becoming more authoritarian as they feel their reins slipping. The left becoming more defiant and more open to violence day by day.

Where will this lead us? I'm unsure. Will it be pleasant? Not even slightly.

/space travel is the only important thing mankind has left to do.
 
2012-05-14 10:42:03 PM
MyRandomName: Medicare/aid is currently growing at nearly triple gdp growth rates. The average recipient spends 3x more than they put in adjusted for inflation. There needs to be reform.

I recommend making the whole population eligible for it for starters. You should be able to cut costs by 20%-40% and lock in with inflation within 10 years.
 
2012-05-14 10:48:43 PM
Yeah, blame America's rich and elderly. Yeah, the elderly. That's it.

America's elderly are in fact the least wise, the most deliberate proudly and obstinately stupid, the least self-aware, the most-spoiled,the least humble, laziest, most selfish, most fearful, and vainest of any elderly generation on our nation's history, there's no denying that.

But American politics didn't reach this disgusting point because of them, you tool. American politics reached this point because of the deliberate, long-term efforts and investments in subversion of honest and fair political process by America's vastly - and ever vastlier - wealthy.
 
2012-05-14 10:51:50 PM
BuckTurgidson: Yeah, blame America's rich and elderly. Yeah, the elderly. That's it.

America's elderly are in fact the least wise, the most deliberate proudly and obstinately stupid, the least self-aware, the most-spoiled,the least humble, laziest, most selfish, most fearful, and vainest of any elderly generation on our nation's history, there's no denying that.

But American politics didn't reach this disgusting point because of them, you tool. American politics reached this point because of the deliberate, long-term efforts and investments in subversion of honest and fair political process by America's vastly - and ever vastlier - wealthy.


Yup. They're useful idiots, nothing more. Don't think for a moment that when they die off there aren't millions of scum right-wing foot soldiers ready or being readied to step into their place.
 
2012-05-14 10:54:35 PM
BuckTurgidson: But American politics didn't reach this disgusting point because of them, you tool. American politics reached this point because of the deliberate, long-term efforts and investments in subversion of honest and fair political process by America's vastly - and ever vastlier - wealthy.

Well, don't forget that those control the wealth in this country also tend to be older, as well.
 
2012-05-14 10:55:00 PM
Provide the elderly (and everybody else) with more social safety nets.

Tie down the rich and hold their feet to the fire.
 
2012-05-14 10:59:34 PM
mrshowrules: MyRandomName: Medicare/aid is currently growing at nearly triple gdp growth rates. The average recipient spends 3x more than they put in adjusted for inflation. There needs to be reform.

I recommend making the whole population eligible for it for starters. You should be able to cut costs by 20%-40% and lock in with inflation within 10 years.


No, clearly we need to allow "insurance to be sold across state lines":

Which is code for: "deregulate and consolidate all the insurance companies into 3 or 4 big ass companies based out of Deleware"
 
2012-05-14 11:04:23 PM
Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: MyRandomName: Medicare/aid is currently growing at nearly triple gdp growth rates. The average recipient spends 3x more than they put in adjusted for inflation. There needs to be reform.

I recommend making the whole population eligible for it for starters. You should be able to cut costs by 20%-40% and lock in with inflation within 10 years.

No, clearly we need to allow "insurance to be sold across state lines":

Which is code for: "deregulate and consolidate all the insurance companies into 3 or 4 big ass companies based out of Deleware"


because larger monopolies will help. If you make it too easy for corporations to rape customers, they will grow tired of it.
 
2012-05-14 11:10:57 PM
Dwight_Yeast: BuckTurgidson: But American politics didn't reach this disgusting point because of them, you tool. American politics reached this point because of the deliberate, long-term efforts and investments in subversion of honest and fair political process by America's vastly - and ever vastlier - wealthy.

Well, don't forget that those control the wealth in this country also tend to be older, as well.


Charles Koch was 32 when he inherited Koch Industries from his John Bircher father. His little brother David Koch was 27. Before Charles turned 40 he'd established Cato Foundation with less-than-pocket-change amounts of his personal wealth, and within 20 years he and his little brother had ginned up any number of similar propaganda-mill "think tanks".

Yeah, they're elderly now, though.
 
2012-05-14 11:16:58 PM
I so very much want to see the rightards attempt to start a second Civil War. I would gladly volunteer for the Blue Forces and within two years, rednecks will have a bounty out for my head for the things that I have done to them. I will make them WISH I was as merciful as General Sherman.

Yeah, ITG. Whatever. Care to test that claim, Jethro?
 
2012-05-14 11:30:32 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: cig-mkr: Nothing is ever going to get resolved until all the greedy bastards in congress and wall street are held accountable for their actions.

Some of us are working on it, but the media says we're all violent communist hippies who eat puppies and play Skrillex covers in drum circles before going out to push old ladies in front of trains and people believe them instead of their own lying eyes. Nothing, I am afraid, is ever going to get resolved until things get bad enough that reality penetrates the bubble of corporate noise.


Of course they are going to say these things, they (big business, banks, and politicians) also control the media. Like today's blurb about the woman that lost 2 billion dollars for JPM, who is going to loose on that deal? The bank, nope, it will be the investors who have their life savings in that fund. The woman will walk away with 14 million for farking up peoples lives. Will she be prosecuted, I doubt it. How many went to jail from Enron?
The DNC is holding their thing here in Charlotte this year, and the local paper is reporting that there will be designated places to demonstrate. Isn't that nice of the city to allow you to demonstrate?
I rant, but feel better after
 
2012-05-14 11:35:58 PM
These are the dicks we need to get rid of:
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-05-14 11:50:51 PM
pisceandreamer: Lando Lincoln: Or dead. There's always that third option.

Seriously, this generation is going to have to up and die at some point. My grandmother was mean, scared of everything, and cheap as hell. She also always voted Republican.


The problem is that a good portion of the younger generation are being quite literally brainwashed by their parents to believe what they say, especially since Republicans tend to create a very abuse-friendly culture when they start talking about disciplining children.

/No, not spanking--their entire worldview on children encourages abusers.
 
2012-05-15 12:06:12 AM
Isn't Frum (the author) a former George W Bush speech writer? I guess there are a few sane people left in the Republican party (until they are forced out anyway).

FTFA
"Sixteen months into the George W. Bush administration, Memorial Day 2002, only 13 executive-branch nominations awaited confirmation by the Senate. At the corresponding moment in the Obama administration, Memorial Day 2010, 108 nominees were awaiting action by the Senate."
 
2012-05-15 12:08:12 AM
cig-mkr: These are the dicks we need to get rid of:
cdn.theatlantic.com


randomoverload.net
 
2012-05-15 12:09:54 AM
Aldon: Isn't Frum (the author) a former George W Bush speech writer? I guess there are a few sane people left in the Republican party

He's a bottom-feeding opportunist clinging to a paycheck, don't read any humanity into it.
 
2012-05-15 01:01:40 AM
Dwight_Yeast: bdub77: But...but socialism!

Like I said, I like Socialism. We're social animals, evolved to rely on and support one another. I know that the right wing in this country wants to pretend it's 1870, the West is still open and we're all rugged individualists settlers, but that's bullshiat and I'm tired of it.

I don't make a whole lot of money, but I'll happily pay more in taxes if it means everyone in this country gets good healthcare and no one is going hungry. My piece of mind is worth a hell of a lot more than money.


Welcome to my favorites list. Well said.
 
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