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2012-05-14 08:08:15 PM
More thought goes into a comment on Fark than all Examiner "articles" combined.

This was an admin's bff, hence the greenlight. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-05-14 08:10:33 PM

relcec: what is really screwed up is that this is even in the politics thread.
it is incredible that we don't have a consensus on immigration problems is incredible.

one of the two political parties in the united states actually thinks the problems created by massive immigration are not problems, but beneficial.

there are only two groups on earth that believe and argue massive wage deflating immigration is good for any country's citizens. the democrats and the chamber of commerce, and even the chamber of commerce doesn't really believe it. they just argue it because they want lower wages at any cost.


Perhaps if the leader of the other party's solution wasn't the laughable "voluntary self deportation" consensus would be possible.
 
2012-05-14 08:12:20 PM

relcec: one of the two political parties in the united states actually thinks the problems created by massive immigration are not problems, but beneficial.


No, one of two political parties sees an illegal immigrant getting an undeserved $10K tax refund while the banks wrecked the world economy and held us hostage for $700 Billion (or the equivalent of 70,000,000 of these immigrants), and they understand the scale of the problem.

The real question is: Why isn't there 100% consensus on necessary banking reform that does 70,000,000 times the damage you're being outraged about here? And this is just one example of corporate welfare.
 
2012-05-14 08:17:32 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: No, one of two political parties sees an illegal immigrant getting an undeserved $10K tax refund while the banks wrecked the world economy and held us hostage for $700 Billion (or the equivalent of 70,000,000 of these immigrants), and they understand the scale of the problem.


Yeah, okay you got me on that one, because I read Matt Taibbi and listen to Michael Greenberg, and it sure ain't the Democrats or Obama trying to put the Banksters away.

But I can't believe it's the Republicans.
 
2012-05-14 08:26:04 PM
Gaming the system. It's wrong. Illegals should stop. Military contractors should stop.
 
2012-05-14 08:27:03 PM

puffy999: I was thinking "hey, maybe this is actually a problem," until the article went into "it's Obama's fault and the fault of Democrats" mode.


Don't let the derp of the article fool you. Fraud regarding the Additional Child Tax credit is a real (if relatively minor) problem that needs to be addressed; it has existed for years (long before Obama came on the scene). The problem is that while it's a relatively mundane matter of tax law, it gets tied up with the hot-button issue of immigration, and politics being the dysfunctional partisan mess that it is, no solution is ever reached.
 
2012-05-14 08:31:19 PM
FarkLib™ groupthink would have you believe that molesting a child is less of a crime than not shunting tax payer money to illegal crimmigrants.
 
2012-05-14 08:36:33 PM

RoyBatty: Yeah, okay you got me on that one, because I read Matt Taibbi and listen to Michael Greenberg, and it sure ain't the Democrats or Obama trying to put the Banksters away.

But I can't believe it's the Republicans.


The Dems aren't paragons here, but Obama did try to get Elizabeth Warren into the regulatory agency and pass the Volcker Rule, both of which would have been in the direction of necessary change, and both of which were opposed by (guess who).

Note that I didn't say the party had gone all-in on a total change to the system, merely that they recognized the existence of the problem.
 
2012-05-14 08:39:56 PM

puffy999: I was thinking "hey, maybe this is actually a problem," until the article went into "it's Obama's fault and the fault of Democrats" mode.


Meaning that as soon as you realized this might reflect poorly on the Democrat administration, you stuck your head in the sand and chose to ignore the issue?
 
2012-05-14 08:43:47 PM

palladiate: Did they work in the US like a citizen of the same income? Did they create GDP? Are they likely to consume Social Security benefits?

Then what the eff does it matter? Do you want to make them slaves? Are they any less equal than anyone else working in the US? Argue all you want over if they should be here, but at what point do we not treat them to the equal protection of our other laws? If outside of their green card they contribute the same as a citizen of the same income level, how are they not entitled to a measure of equality?


Barbi sez " Following the law is hard!"
 
2012-05-14 08:45:23 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The Dems aren't paragons here, but Obama did try to get Elizabeth Warren into the regulatory agency and pass the Volcker Rule, both of which would have been in the direction of necessary change, and both of which were opposed by (guess who).Note that I didn't say the party had gone all-in on a total change to the system, merely that they recognized the existence of the problem


Well I'll give you that, but damnit, he needs to toss Geithner out and toss Banksters in jail.
 
2012-05-14 08:46:46 PM
Hey, if we're giving shiat away, can I get my citizenship? Everytime I have the money something comes up (Car, kids) and well if I could get it for free I'll schedule my test tomorrow.

/I use to have a problem with the illegals, then I grew up. They just want a better life for their families, and like others have stated, are willing to do the jobs that most people disdain. Let them live here, give them greencards and that's it. They contribute the same as most, and will do more then many.
//still won't turn down a free citizenship :)
 
2012-05-14 08:52:12 PM
That's some bullshiat right there, the majority of phony tax returns are done by piece of shiat ghetto accountants/lawyers that take advantage of the poor by falsely representing them when they give them their information.
 
2012-05-14 08:55:26 PM
Illegal aliens file tax returns? Do they ask for extensions?
 
2012-05-14 09:04:46 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Hey, if we're giving shiat away, can I get my citizenship? Everytime I have the money something comes up (Car, kids) and well if I could get it for free I'll schedule my test tomorrow.

/I use to have a problem with the illegals, then I grew up. They just want a better life for their families, and like others have stated, are willing to do the jobs that most people disdain. Let them live here, give them greencards and that's it. They contribute the same as most, and will do more then many.
//still won't turn down a free citizenship :)


What country are you from and why do you want US citizenship so badly? US citizenship comes with a lot perks, but it also comes with pitfalls (particularly when it comes to taxes). I can't tell you how many times I've heard dual-citizens say, "fark! I haven't stepped foot in the United States in 20 years! What do you mean I've supposed to have been filing tax returns all this time?"
 
2012-05-14 09:08:27 PM
I'm canadian, wifes American. Figured I'd go for dual for shiats and giggles. The biggest reasoning behind my wanting to become a citizen is for the right to vote. And well, I already pay taxes so that won't change much. My mom keeps wanting me to move back home, but I just got a pretty decent job and well, I really hate going through interviews so would like to make it my last. Plus, I enjoy the weather more.
 
2012-05-14 09:10:21 PM

FlashHarry: a) undocumented workers pay all sorts of taxes: FICA, sales, etc.
b) they will likely not use social security benefits
c) they contribute to the economy in a massive way
d) they do jobs real murkans™ won't do (see: alabama)

why not just make them legal? i have yet to hear an anti-amnesty point that doesn't involve some veiled or overt racism.


Because:
a) it doesn't solve the problem of illegal immigration after amnesty is declared.
b) Because of a, our infrastructure can't handle the resulting influx of people still coming over here.
c) Some won't do the paperwork for citizenship for whatever reason, what now smart guy?
d) We already have high unemployment for unskilled labor.
e) We sure as hell won't tax the rich to fix a-d.
 
2012-05-14 09:13:07 PM

James!: Legal immigrants get an ITIN. You have to have one to apply for the job.

Do these morons think the government is tracking down illegal immigrants to give them a tax id?


Your comment is as far as I read before I moved on to a more useful/imformed comment thread. But I came back. I'm sure maybe someone said this in the middle 200 comments or so, but the IRS gives out ITIN's to illegals all the time, no questions asked. The IRS doesn't care what your status is, it's not their problem. Look it up. Learn something today. Be informed. GO YOUNG MAN!
 
2012-05-14 09:37:45 PM

dave1y: Your comment is as far as I read before I moved on to a more useful/imformed comment thread. But I came back. I'm sure maybe someone said this in the middle 200 comments or so, but the IRS gives out ITIN's to illegals all the time, no questions asked. The IRS doesn't care what your status is, it's not their problem. Look it up. Learn something today. Be informed. GO YOUNG MAN!


I consider myself somewhat moderate-liberal. I hate the right with a passion and think they're are ruining this country. Liberals, to me, are pretty spot on with most of the issues and good at calling BS from the right. But illegal immigration. I've noticed, is one issue where they will ignore facts, pull logical fallacies and spin so much it'll make your head hurt. Anyone who doesn't agree illegal immigrants are the best thing ever is brow-beaten, labeled and inferior mouth-breather, called racist and conservative sympathizer until proven otherwise.

There was a thread about an illegal wanting a gun a few days ago. It's astounding the amount of cognitive dissonance from the left that came out of that thread with regard to gun control.
 
2012-05-14 09:38:58 PM

The Numbers: Meaning that as soon as you realized this might reflect poorly on the Democrat administration, you stuck your head in the sand and chose to ignore the issue?


No, because we've made no substantive changes to the tax code or to our immigration laws since before Obama took office.
 
2012-05-14 09:40:44 PM

Wii.Tard: But illegal immigration. I've noticed, is one issue where they will ignore facts, pull logical fallacies and spin so much it'll make your head hurt. Anyone who doesn't agree illegal immigrants are the best thing ever is brow-beaten, labeled and inferior mouth-breather, called racist and conservative sympathizer until proven otherwise.


ha ha, no.
 
2012-05-14 09:51:46 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Wii.Tard: But illegal immigration. I've noticed, is one issue where they will ignore facts, pull logical fallacies and spin so much it'll make your head hurt. Anyone who doesn't agree illegal immigrants are the best thing ever is brow-beaten, labeled and inferior mouth-breather, called racist and conservative sympathizer until proven otherwise.

ha ha, no.


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2012-05-14 09:55:08 PM

Wii.Tard: yourenothelping.jpg


Neither are you.

Illegal immigration is simply not the problem the Right makes it out to be. Remember that we had no immigration laws or limitations in this country until 1890. The idea that we needed to close our borders is a recent one.

And the best way to address welfare and healthcare issues is to open the borders to more legal, temporary immigration, requiring those who come into the country to take care of their own health insurance and social security (or prove that their country of origin is handling them).
 
2012-05-14 09:57:59 PM

James!: Here is what this shiat is about, because this came up like 3 months ago.

LEGAL immigrants with valid ITIN numbers are applying for the child tax credit and are receiving refunds from the government. In some cases their dependent children aren't citizens since their parents are on temporary work visas. Because the law isn't clear the IRS has been allowing LEGAL immigrants with valid ITIN's and has asked congress to clarify the law, which congress has not done.

Republicans are knowingly mixing up ILLEGAL with LEGAL immigrants to turn this minor confusion over clarity into an attack on the IRS and the Administration.

The only way an ILLEGAL immigrant will have an ITIN is if they overstay their visa.


THIS. W-7's are common and there is nothing illegal about it.. The only time I see immigrants get huge refunds is when they claim a lot of dependent exemptions. But the fact is that the IRS does verify addresses- and the reality is that Hispanic families are HUGE. Yeah, I've seen returns where a Taxpayer is making 14K a year and gets back a $10K return. But that Mexican-American guy has a wife and at least 4 kids and his Tia Maria and his mother in law living with him. Trust me, all of them are adding to sales taxes, and are spending US dollars in US stores.

If you want to have an extended family, you can do that too. In fact, most of the time where I see Non-Hispanic families do the same thing is with Evangelical Christian families, who have 5 kids, some-in-laws, and ministerial taxes. The only difference between the Mexican-Americans and the Evangelicals is that the Evangelicals also tend to get Earned Income Credit and the Adoption Credit (A lot of Adoptions from China and Central America), as well as the Child Care and Education Credits, which gives them thousands and thousands more. Of course, you will NEVER hear outrage about that for some reason. I wonder why?
 
2012-05-14 10:00:18 PM

FlashHarry: a) undocumented workers pay all sorts of taxes: FICA, sales, etc.
b) they will likely not use social security benefits
c) they contribute to the economy in a massive way
d) they do jobs real murkans™ won't do (see: alabama)

why not just make them legal? i have yet to hear an anti-amnesty point that doesn't involve some veiled or overt racism.


I find it amusing that the people who want to let them stay and use them as slave labor are not labeled as racist but the people who want them to come in legally so we can ensure they pay taxes and get treatment/compensation/workplace safety according to legal standards are labeled as racist.
 
2012-05-14 10:09:51 PM

aneki: I find it amusing that the people who want to let them stay and use them as slave labor are not labeled as racist


That would be because illegal immigration is a policy supported by business interests and therefore by the core of the GOP. Hell, even Bush couldn't get immigration reform off the ground, and he tried hard.
 
2012-05-14 10:11:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Illegal immigration is simply not the problem the Right makes it out to be.


You don't live or have lived in an area where it's a problem, have you.

Remember that we had no immigration laws or limitations in this country until 1890. The idea that we needed to close our borders is a recent one.

We also didn't have 300 million+ people in this country in 1890.

And the best way to address welfare and healthcare issues is to open the borders to more legal, temporary immigration, requiring those who come into the country to take care of their own health insurance and social security (or prove that their country of origin is handling them).

We don't need more people dude, that's the problem. We have too many people and it's a strain on our resources. You think we have metered immigration because "the man" or because of some racist xenophobic underlying our laws? No! It's our ecosystem, infrastructure and economy that cannot handle a massive influx of people coming in uncontrolled.
 
2012-05-14 10:13:15 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: relcec: one of the two political parties in the united states actually thinks the problems created by massive immigration are not problems, but beneficial.

No, one of two political parties sees an illegal immigrant getting an undeserved $10K tax refund while the banks wrecked the world economy and held us hostage for $700 Billion (or the equivalent of 70,000,000 of these immigrants), and they understand the scale of the problem.

The real question is: Why isn't there 100% consensus on necessary banking reform that does 70,000,000 times the damage you're being outraged about here? And this is just one example of corporate welfare.


Where did that $700b go? Where is it now?
 
2012-05-14 10:30:38 PM

Wessoman: mixing up ILLEGAL with LEGAL immigrants to turn this minor confusion over clarity into an attack on the IRS and the Administration.

The only way an ILLEGAL immigrant will have an ITIN is if they overstay their visa.

THIS. W-7's are common and there is nothing illegal about it.. The only time I see immigrants get huge refunds is when they claim a lot of dependent exemptions. But the fact is that the IRS does verify addresses- and the reality is that Hispanic families are HUGE. Yeah, I've seen returns where a Taxpayer is making 14K a year and gets back a $10K return. But that Mexican-American guy has a wife and at least 4 kids and his Tia Maria and his mother in law living with him. Trust me, all of them are adding to sales taxes, and are spending US dollars in US stores.

If you want to have an extended family, you can do that too. In fact, most of the time where I see Non-Hispanic families do the same thing is with Evangelical Christian families, who have 5 kids, some-in-laws, and ministerial taxes. The only difference between the Mexican-Americans and the Evangelicals is that the Evangelicals also tend to get Earned Income Credit and the Adoption Credit (A lot of Adoptions from China and Central America), as well as the Child Care and Education Credits, which gives them thousands and thousands more. Of course, you will NEVER hear outrage about that for some reason. I wonder why?


From an actually useful wiki article:

Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that the undocumented don't pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[33] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[33] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[34] Most undocumented immigrants pay sales, federal and state income taxes. In addition they also spend millions per year which support US and helps create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller report in 2006 that the 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.[35]

Their Social Security and Medicare contributions directly support older Americans as undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive these services.[36] The Internal Revenue Service issues an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have Federal tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code. Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the INS. In 2006 1.4 million people used ITIN when filing taxes, of which more than half were illegal immigrants.[37]
 
2012-05-14 10:35:55 PM
Wow, this thread is off the rails. Looks like one of the parties is gearing up for election season.
 
2012-05-14 10:39:46 PM

Wii.Tard: You think we have metered immigration because "the man" or because of some racist xenophobic underlying our laws?


Actually, that's exactly why we have immigration laws: in the late 1800s, the older German and Irish immigrants started to freak out about the new, Italian and Eastern European immigrants (especially the eastern European Jews) and demanded something b done. So our lawmakers threw the racists and xenophobes a bone in 1890, and those two factors more than anything else have driven our immigration policy ever since.

Remember in 1890 they didn't even consider things like "The Environment", ecology or the possibility that our resources are limited.

Wii.Tard: We don't need more people dude, that's the problem.


Obviously, we do, or else there would be no jobs for illegal immigrants in this country. They serve an important role in our economy: they fill the positions no American is willing to do and in many cases they do those jobs for less than our minimum wage, generating greater profits for the business owners.

Like I said before, illegal immigration helps business (both big and small) so the core of the GOP will to nothing to stop it.

It's why I support a more open but regulated policy, including a strong guest worker program, as it would allow Mexicans and Central Americans to come here, fill the roles we need them to fill, make the money they need to send home to better their families and countries AND prevent them from being exploited by businesses which refuse to pay them a living wage (be they the local landscaper or Wal-Mart).
 
2012-05-14 10:41:37 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Where did that $700b go? Where is it now?


Into the pockets of hedge fund managers, among other places. Plenty of people profited on the near-collapse of our financial system, but it's not something anyone wants to talk about.
 
2012-05-14 10:43:03 PM

Dwight_Yeast: They serve an important role in our economy: they fill the positions no American is willing to do and in many cases they do those jobs for less than our minimum wage, generating greater profits for the business owners.


Brilliance!
 
2012-05-14 10:45:24 PM

RoyBatty: Dwight_Yeast: They serve an important role in our economy: they fill the positions no American is willing to do and in many cases they do those jobs for less than our minimum wage, generating greater profits for the business owners.

Brilliance!


*cough*

Dwight_Yeast: Like I said before, illegal immigration helps business (both big and small) so the core of the GOP will to nothing to stop it.

It's why I support a more open but regulated policy, including a strong guest worker program, as it would allow Mexicans and Central Americans to come here, fill the roles we need them to fill, make the money they need to send home to better their families and countries AND prevent them from being exploited by businesses which refuse to pay them a living wage (be they the local landscaper or Wal-Mart).

 
2012-05-14 10:55:57 PM

Dwight_Yeast: They serve an important role in our economy: they fill the positions no American is willing to do and in many cases they do those jobs for less than our minimum wage, generating greater profits for the business owners undercutting wages and enabling employers to undermine OSHA while at the same time their low wages prevents automation from being invented and becoming economical.


I support more of a Marshall Plan approach in which countries around the globe are lifted up and do not support an arguably racist economy like ours that requires exploiting other peoples with minimum wage jobs.
 
2012-05-14 10:59:08 PM
When can we get rid of refundable tax credits? Paying $0 in income taxes is one thing, but getting more back than you paid out in the first place is hardly justifiable considering the state of the Federal government's financial ledger.
 
2012-05-14 10:59:18 PM
my local news station did an investigation on illegals who were getting tons of cash from the government.

they're bascially working the tax system. they claim dependents that live in mexico. nieces, nephews, cousins, etc etc. there will be four of them living in the same house, filing exemptions for another 8-10 people per. so, a total of about 40 people.

the government doesn't check or verify this, and the IRS doesn't give a shiat.

that's the real story, no one seems to give a fark. congress won't fix the law to prevent this sort of exploitation, and the illegals don't care because they're the ones doing the perfectly legal exploitation.

its not right, but it's not illegal.
 
2012-05-14 11:00:26 PM
Look I favor helping those in need, and so I am inclined to look sympathetically on immigrants; and I love participating in a multicultural, multiracial society. I know that when I look at today's Mexicans and Central Americans, they seem to me fundamentally the same as my grandparents seeking a better life in America.

But open immigration can't coexist with a strong social safety net; if you're going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can't make that offer global.

If you would like to see universal health care, and other aspects of a strong social safety net, you cannot condone illegal immigration.

(paraphrase of Paul Krugman where he also adds, Republicans, on the other hand, either love immigration or hate it. The business-friendly wing of the party likes inexpensive workers (and would really enjoy a huge guest-worker program that would both provide such workers and ensure that they can neither vote nor, in practice, unionize). But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil.)
 
2012-05-14 11:00:46 PM

RoyBatty: I support more of a Marshall Plan approach in which countries around the globe are lifted up and do not support an arguably racist economy like ours that requires exploiting other peoples with minimum wage jobs.


Given that they fill jobs that it's literally impossible to get Americans to do, what would your solution be?
 
2012-05-14 11:02:33 PM

ManRay: When can we get rid of refundable tax credits? Paying $0 in income taxes is one thing, but getting more back than you paid out in the first place is hardly justifiable considering the state of the Federal government's financial ledger.


Do you know who came up with the idea of refundable tax credits?

Milton Friedman. Link

Food for thought.
 
2012-05-14 11:03:31 PM

ManRay: When can we get rid of refundable tax credits? Paying $0 in income taxes is one thing, but getting more back than you paid out in the first place is hardly justifiable considering the state of the Federal government's financial ledger.


It's just one of the things we instead of having a sensible social safety net in this country.
 
2012-05-14 11:09:24 PM

Dwight_Yeast: RoyBatty: I support more of a Marshall Plan approach in which countries around the globe are lifted up and do not support an arguably racist economy like ours that requires exploiting other peoples with minimum wage jobs.

Given that they fill jobs that it's literally impossible to get Americans to do, what would your solution be?


I disagree with your premise.

Yes, it is hard to get Americans to do those jobs now, and yes, picking is hard work, and yes, it is not at all like mowing the lawn.

And still, my college roommate in high school was a typical white kid and the son of a teacher and a professor and he picked lettuce in Salinas to earn money.

So I would let wages float up to where Americans will do those jobs and/or it becomes economical to have some automation come along and pick them.

Yes, it would make tomatoes more expensive.

Maybe people who pick our food should be paid living wages, and yes, maybe that would mean teachers, doctors, engineers, lawyers, barbers would all be net a slightly smaller income at years end.

And in the long run, I think things would even out and be more fair all around, especially if we were working to improve the economies elsewhere.
 
2012-05-14 11:17:51 PM

RoyBatty: Yes, it is hard to get Americans to do those jobs now, and yes, picking is hard work


The problem is that farming is the one industry in this country where it's perfectly LEGAL to pay below minimum wage, and there's not a chance in hell the agricultural industry is going to let that change; they have a powerful lobby in DC.

RoyBatty: Yes, it would make tomatoes more expensive.


I'm fine with that; I'm happy to pay more for my tomatoes, so long as they taste like tomatoes (I buy mine from an Amish family in season).

But, say we raise the minimum wage for agricultural workers in this country: the big businesses will do what they've already been doing: move their farming to Mexico where they can pay whatever the hell they want and we get e coli in our spinach in return.

A guest worker program isn't the best of all possible solutions, but it's the one which would actually work now if both sides would put pressure on Congress to pass it.

But I don't see that happening any time soon; illegal immigrants are too valuable to business and to useful as a wedge issue come election time.
 
2012-05-14 11:17:56 PM

Dwight_Yeast: It's just one of the things we instead of having a sensible social safety net in this country.


My understanding is that salt water economists (Keynesians) (progressives) like the earned income tax credit and think it's a terrific part of a social safety net.

Center for American Progress

"[The Earned Income Tax Credit] has met my basic needs, helped me pay my property tax, get caught up on utilities, buy a winter coat, and allowed me to make a deposit so my son could go to college. ... the EITC has given me more dignity."

- A mother from Sunnyside, New York

"I qualified for $4,300 in Earned Income Tax Credit refunds from my taxes this year. The money is going to student loans, credit card bills and school supplies. I rely on this money to make it every year."

- Anna of Littleton, Colorado; mother and graduate student

...

The earned income tax credit lifts families out of poverty and supports our economy

This credit is a critical component of the social safety net. We're living in a time where more people are living in poverty in this country than ever before-more than 46 million Americans are living below the poverty line, with women and communities of color bearing the brunt. Low- and moderate-income families are facing foreclosure or are seeing the value of their home decline. Low-wage jobs don't pay enough to support a family and don't include important benefits like paid sick leave, workplace flexibility, or opportunities to save for the future.

Safety-net programs like the earned income tax credit are increasingly important in these dire times. Last year the earned income tax credit lifted 6.6 million people, including 3.3 million children, out of poverty.


Paul Krugman:
(transcript and autoplay video)

We have the earned income tax credit for low income workers, which is a very good program and I would like to see it substantially bigger. You need guaranteed health insurance, which is a crucial safety net. You need some sort of basic guaranteed retirement income, which we have this very good program called Social Security, which fortunately survived the onslaught of the ideologues back in 2005
 
2012-05-14 11:19:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: so long as they taste like tomatoes


I am with you 100% there. No, 1000%.

I buy tomatoes and I hate them, they just have no taste. I can't afford much, but I swear I'd pay for tomatoes that actually tasted like tomatoes.
 
2012-05-14 11:46:07 PM
Appeals to authority are especially awesome when the authority is the appelant.
 
2012-05-14 11:47:22 PM

RoyBatty: Dwight_Yeast: They serve an important role in our economy: they fill the positions no American is willing to do and in many cases they do those jobs for less than our minimum wage, generating greater profits for the business owners.

Brilliance!


Half of all the PhD.'s in the US are immigrants.
 
2012-05-14 11:48:33 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Anyway, it's time for me to head home. Hope everyone enjoyed the Six Fingered Tax Seminar.


Well, shiat. I missed the session on charitable contributions.
 
2012-05-14 11:54:30 PM
Wait until the mouth-breathers find out over a million people a year have been legally immigrating to the US.
 
2012-05-14 11:57:46 PM
Your blog sucks.

/That's all anyone needs to say to an Examiner article.
 
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