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2012-05-14 07:58:02 PM
I congratulate Obama on his flip-flip evolution to the long-held progressive gay marriage position of Dick Cheney.

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2012-05-14 07:59:57 PM

CrscntBufS: FeedTheCollapse: Paris1127: IMO, we'll never really know about whether Buchanan was gay, unless a Victorian Larry Flynt manages to dig up scandalous photos... The same can be said for the similar allegations about Lincoln...

there seems to be fairly substantial evidence about Buchanan, but IIRC, the Lincoln theories seemed to be rather reaching (i.e. "Mary Todd was homely, therefore loved Abe the cock.")

I saw on a (history type) channel in a special on Lincoln once that Lincoln got very depressed when his best man friend either passed away or moved away. That led to the speculatin that he was gay.


not to mention Lincoln was really into wrastlin'.

Millard Fillmore was the first president to use his pornstar name in public.
 
2012-05-14 08:00:53 PM
Gah! You're doing it wrong, Marcus! This is all wrong!

www.yourfunnystuff.com
 
2012-05-14 08:01:14 PM
Maybe I've been reading too many Daily Fail articles recently but I was actually surprised at how well this article was written. It's sad when writing a cohesive piece with few grammatical flaws actually makes me happy.
 
2012-05-14 08:03:59 PM

Darth_Lukecash:
It comes down to this: Nixion. He forever destroyed the office of the presidency. Sure Eisenhower was the first president to be caught in a lie over U2 incident...but most forgave that due to the military nature of the office.


Ha, caught, mostly because the media needed knee-pads for their worship of that corrupt-ass Kennedy. And of course Nixon learned about wiretapping from his predecessor LBJ.

But Nixion pull down his pants and took a collective dump on our nation. Illegal campaign funds, watergate, Cambodia, beef price fixing. And he got away with it, thanks to Ford.

Who is this "Nixion" fellow? Anyway, I thought Richard Nixon paid a dear price, resigning in disgrace and all. But, of course, humanitarian libs like yourself are not satisfied with the constitutional option of impeachment. Must make your political enemies suffer!
 
2012-05-14 08:06:09 PM

StanTheMan: I congratulate Obama on his flip-flip evolution to the long-held progressive gay marriage position of Dick Cheney.

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Palpatine, or what?

;)
 
2012-05-14 08:10:44 PM

elev8meL8r: AverageAmericanGuy: Old enough to know better: So by Newsweek logic, 47% of americans are gay now?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x364]

Wow, the freepers are gonna loose the farking minds.

The homosexual agenda is working! To the bunkers!

The Gay Agenda

7:45 a.m. Alarm rings

8:00 a.m.-8:10 a.m. Take shower

8:15 a.m.-8:30 a.m. Dress and put items into briefcase

8:35 a.m. Leave house

8:45 a.m. Starbucks

9:00 a.m. Arrive at job

12:00 p.m. Lunch with a co-worker. Perhaps Chili's?

12:45 p.m. Return to job

1:30 p.m.-2:30 p.m. Meeting

5:00 p.m. Leave work

5:30 p.m.-6:30 p.m. Work out in gym

7:00 p.m. Return home

7:20 p.m. Prepare and eat dinner

8:00 p.m. Watch Law & Order on TNT


11:00 p.m. Go to sleep


I'm presuming there's no bad episode, since there was always one young beefcake partner to go with the grizzled old vet.
 
2012-05-14 08:17:53 PM
Paris1127: President Lincoln did share beds with his alleged boyfriends (Joshua Speed and David Derickson), but this does not him a gay man make.

No, but you know what would have clinched it? If he was known to use phrases like "...this does not him a gay man make."
 
2012-05-14 08:22:33 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Old enough to know better: So by Newsweek logic, 47% of americans are gay now?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x364]

Wow, the freepers are gonna loose the farking minds.

The homosexual agenda is working! To the bunkers!


Margaret Cho said it best: "What is the gay agenda? Arseless wedding gowns?" (note Australian spelling of arse - it's a much better word than ass if you're making a rude joke).
 
2012-05-14 08:28:08 PM

Handbasket: Maybe I've been reading too many Daily Fail articles recently but I was actually surprised at how well this article was written. It's sad when writing a cohesive piece with few grammatical flaws actually makes me happy.


Did we read the same article?!?

In addition to that ridiculous segue from gay to 'beards' there is this:

Even North Dakota outlawed interracial marriage.

Now, maybe I'm missing something, but when did North farking Dakota become the benchmark for enlightened society??
 
2012-05-14 08:30:39 PM

Aussie_As: Margaret Cho said it best


A phrase no one ever thought would see the light of day.
 
2012-05-14 08:31:02 PM
"Nevertheless, I doubt that the Newsweek of old, before it was sold for a dollar, would have pandered as shallowly."

As soon as something becomes primarily about money, what is supposed be becomes what it used to be.
 
2012-05-14 08:32:30 PM

Indubitably: StanTheMan: I congratulate Obama on his flip-flip evolution to the long-held progressive gay marriage position of Dick Cheney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 228x221]

Palpatine, or what?

;)


My hat?

My hat?

My hat speaks Palpatine.

Palpatine.

My hat wears evil mtf.

My hat says whut war whut profiteering whut?

My hat spells D-O-O-M.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-05-14 08:33:09 PM

poot_rootbeer: Yes, every man who remains "a bachelor" even as he's successfully adapted to other societal normals must be a faaaaaaaeg.


Describing a man as one of 'Nature's batchelors' was Victorian Era code for upper class gay.
 
2012-05-14 08:33:30 PM

bunner: "Nevertheless, I doubt that the Newsweek of old, before it was sold for a dollar, would have pandered as shallowly."

As soon as something becomes primarily about money, what is supposed be becomes what it used to be.


Adverbs...
 
2012-05-14 08:42:52 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Time magazine:

We put a 3-year old sucking his mom's tit on the front page. Let's see you out sensationalize that!

Newsweek: challenge accepted.


Is it weird that I sorta gave a second glance to both those pictures and then was like 'meh' and moved on? Oh Internet, how you have ruined 'sensationalistic' journalism for me. I didn't even really think about it after those two seconds were over.
 
2012-05-14 08:45:41 PM

mcjam: Animatronik: This is their big wedge and theyre running with it.

And you intolerant retards are scared crapless because of it. How's it feel being on defense, you sacless sucks?


Ha, from the libtards who are oh-so-tolerant of those who agree with them. It feels great, since 23% of independents are less likely to vote for this incompetent, dividing, disastrous amateur Odumba. The dumb-bunny probably lost some swing states over it. Defensive my ass, this flip-flop shows the Dems are in a panic.

Can't wait to throw The Amateur out in November.
 
2012-05-14 08:47:11 PM

StanTheMan: mcjam: Animatronik: This is their big wedge and theyre running with it.

And you intolerant retards are scared crapless because of it. How's it feel being on defense, you sacless sucks?

Ha, from the libtards who are oh-so-tolerant of those who agree with them. It feels great, since 23% of independents are less likely to vote for this incompetent, dividing, disastrous amateur Odumba. The dumb-bunny probably lost some swing states over it. Defensive my ass, this flip-flop shows the Dems are in a panic.

Can't wait to throw The Amateur out in November.


You will be proven wrong, and that is all.

;)
 
2012-05-14 08:47:42 PM

Indubitably: Um,

I dislike the fact that "gay" has moved away from "happy."

Haven't enough words been absconded with?

Seriously.

;)

P.S. Thank you, Mr. President. *bow*

P.P.S. 'Tis about political-time, man.


Happy House : )
 
2012-05-14 08:48:30 PM

Darth_Lukecash: downstairs: FirstNationalBastard: shiat, the press held up their end of a gentleman's agreement not to publish photos of FDR in his wheelchair, or using crutches and leg braces. That would never happen today.

Yeah. The first president I was familiar with was Reagan (I was 5 when he was elected). So I've grown up with this current system of the press.

But, yeah, my dad told me how different it was before I was born.

I'd much prefer to go back to that. I don't care if you like jelly beans, I don't care if you're getting a BJ behind your wife's back. I know hundreds of people who aren't President of the United States. They're all flawed. They all make bad personal decisions. Myself included.

I've cheated on a girlfriend. So what. I owned up to it, apologized, and we eventually moved on and are still together- married- today. And, yes, I've lied about it to people who aren't my girlfriend... because its none of their damn business.

It comes down to this: Nixion. He forever destroyed the office of the presidency. Sure Eisenhower was the first president to be caught in a lie over U2 incident...but most forgave that due to the military nature of the office.

But Nixion pull down his pants and took a collective dump on our nation. Illegal campaign funds, watergate, Cambodia, beef price fixing. And he got away with it, thanks to Ford.


Compared to LBJ, Nixon was a saint. He tried to cover up Watergate, beef price fixing is a (minor) myth, and I don't ever recall any accusations of illegal campaign contributions (the laws back then weren't as strict anyway). He lied about US troops being in Cambodia beyond the 30 day limit he claimed, the movement into Laos and Cambodia was extremely well publicized and make excellent military sense.

Which isn't to say the guy was a saint although I've known half a dozen White House staffers who said that Tricky Dick was personally a very decent guy. So there is that, I guess. FWIW, even the knee jerk Democrat staffers have all told me LBJ was a complete jerk.

The erosion of confidence in the US government started with LBJ, with Vietnam being a half assed limited war with 55,000 US coffins and never any real effort to win. There's a big big big big difference between Watergate and sending a couple million drafted boys off to die in a war you're not even trying to win. I missed Vietnam by a year, so I'm old enough to actually have experienced the erosion in confidence and trust, as opposed to just reading some half smart historian's version of what might have happened.
 
2012-05-14 09:13:14 PM
The Globe scooped Newsweek by 3 1/3 years.

www.stewwebb.com
 
2012-05-14 09:16:02 PM
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abcnews.go.com
 
2012-05-14 09:17:06 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [27.media.tumblr.com image 454x414]

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I don't have a problem with this, you?
 
2012-05-14 09:20:25 PM
Interesting that Lincoln may not have been gay - I must have seen some fairly biased "conclusive" evidence of this on numerous documentaries. It seems men sharing beds back then was common and not the subject of scandal. Fair enough. When my wife works night shifts (she's a nurse) our doberman jumps into bed with me and that doesn't make me into bestiality (anyway, our dog's desexed!).
 
2012-05-14 09:20:59 PM

TheOther: Handbasket: Maybe I've been reading too many Daily Fail articles recently but I was actually surprised at how well this article was written. It's sad when writing a cohesive piece with few grammatical flaws actually makes me happy.

Did we read the same article?!?

In addition to that ridiculous segue from gay to 'beards' there is this:

Even North Dakota outlawed interracial marriage.

Now, maybe I'm missing something, but when did North farking Dakota become the benchmark for enlightened society??


I took that as an indication of how even the North began to move toward non-progressive ideals after the Civil War. I may have read too much into it though.

I enjoyed the beards segue. I think the author was able to get in both a historical reference as to how society views certain norms as well as a little wink and a nod toward "beards" in general.

But, I was mainly comparing it to Daily Fail articles about Courtney Stodden, so I was just happy to see he had managed to string together a complete sentence.
 
2012-05-14 09:25:51 PM
First he was not for gay marriage, then he was "evolving" and now that the election is near... he's for it. Personally I'm for gay marriage, but attention whoring to win an election is pretty despicable.
 
2012-05-14 09:26:14 PM
Nobody who uses the word "libtard" without a shred of irony has any political credibility.

As a matter of fact, the whole making up words like "libtard". "Odumba" and "fartbongo" reek of the political acuity of a snot nosed 6 year old. On a good day.

The whole "See? Them "libtards" is scared! Worried! Looks bad for you Obamunists (see "made up words"), you should give up now!" was clapped out about an hour and a half after the mongoloids at FOX dragged it out of propaganda mothballs 3 years ago. Seriously. It's like watching the fatassed, wannabe schoolyard bully telling everybody "your ass is grass!" while they laugh at him.

Regardless of who manages to spend the requisite amount of millions to acquire this 400k a year job, this Nov., the people pulling the puppet strings will still have those stings firmly in hand. You an get all partisan hack rabid until your gums bleed, but until you step back from the dog and pony show, you're just another sucker helping billionaires to eat out of your fridge.
 
2012-05-14 09:30:51 PM
All joking aside I am actually quite surprised from the lack of showing or even any sort of response from the LCR (Log Cabin Republicans) with this issue making the rounds across the entire political spectrum.
 
2012-05-14 09:31:41 PM
StanTheMan: I congratulate Obama on his flip-flip evolution to the long-held progressive gay marriage position of Dick Cheney.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 228x221]


Look at Cheney staring into Baraks eyes, Barak is clearly his bottom.
 
2012-05-14 09:33:23 PM

StanTheMan: mcjam: Animatronik: This is their big wedge and theyre running with it.

And you intolerant retards are scared crapless because of it. How's it feel being on defense, you sacless sucks?

Ha, from the libtards who are oh-so-tolerant of those who agree with them. It feels great, since 23% of independents are less likely to vote for this incompetent, dividing, disastrous amateur Odumba. The dumb-bunny probably lost some swing states over it. Defensive my ass, this flip-flop shows the Dems are in a panic.

Can't wait to throw The Amateur out in November.


Changing a person's name into an insult always makes you look like and 8 year old. Stop it, for your own sake.
 
2012-05-14 09:35:30 PM

bunner: Nobody who uses the word "libtard" without a shred of irony has any political credibility.

As a matter of fact, the whole making up words like "libtard". "Odumba" and "fartbongo" reek of the political acuity of a snot nosed 6 year old.


Somehow you libs were the ones who came up with "Fartbongo" and then tried to pin it on conservatives to prove how racist they are.
 
2012-05-14 09:38:37 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Somehow you libs were the ones who came up with "Fartbongo" and then tried to pin it on conservatives to prove how racist they are.



www.alertlogic.com
 
2012-05-14 09:39:54 PM
Here's how I know you missed the point.

AverageAmericanGuy: you libs


Never let that flag touch the ground and it'll be 1951 again in no time. *sigh*
 
2012-05-14 09:41:26 PM
I'm officially tired of the words liberal and conservative, please.

These mean nothing, really. You know it, and I know it.

Let's remake our language, friends, for our old language means nothing anymore...

We must remake our world.

Education first, then language.

;)
 
2012-05-14 09:45:03 PM

Indubitably: SuperNinjaToad: [27.media.tumblr.com image 454x414]

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I don't have a problem with this, you?


What I think is not important per se....personal beliefs aside, homosexuality is often viewed upon negatively across the entire globe. Not only in 'Christian' nations but among most cultures as well. I think a hypothetical future POTUS who is actually gay (not Obama) will have his reputation sullied, tarnished and maybe even mocked thus reducing his political influence abroad regardless of political acumen.

I think everyone would agree that if there is one social issue that is even more divisive, passionate and controversial than someone's religion or race is sexual orientation.

Anyway ....on the domestic front especially in most communities around the US, the same thing will happen....his reputation and mockery will definitely cause many to abandon and lose respect for the president. Not saying it's right but it's just human nature as it is.

Being president is hard enough I think this massive additional baggage will just cause any future gay president to lose focus on the things that are more relevant and crucial to the running of this country.
 
2012-05-14 09:54:27 PM

Geotpf: If this quote (from a letter Buchanan wrote to his lover after he was appointed ambassador to France)...

I am now "solitary and alone," having no companion in the house with me. I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them. I feel that it is not good for man to be alone; and should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection.

...is accurate, um, how can there be any question about the matter?



After a cursory look around, I don't see mention of the letter in several more serious sources, just mention of speculation about his sexuality. It doesn't read as something that would actually be put to paper at the time, no matter how much the Salon author wants to believe in a golden age of homosexuality-tolerance in the 19th Century.


/author's persecution complex about facial hair is bizarre
//there are always various norms of "proper" styling that shift with time
 
2012-05-14 10:00:46 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Indubitably: SuperNinjaToad: [27.media.tumblr.com image 454x414]

[abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

I don't have a problem with this, you?

What I think is not important per se....personal beliefs aside, homosexuality is often viewed upon negatively across the entire globe. Not only in 'Christian' nations but among most cultures as well. I think a hypothetical future POTUS who is actually gay (not Obama) will have his reputation sullied, tarnished and maybe even mocked thus reducing his political influence abroad regardless of political acumen.

I think everyone would agree that if there is one social issue that is even more divisive, passionate and controversial than someone's religion or race is sexual orientation.

Anyway ....on the domestic front especially in most communities around the US, the same thing will happen....his reputation and mockery will definitely cause many to abandon and lose respect for the president. Not saying it's right but it's just human nature as it is.

Being president is hard enough I think this massive additional baggage will just cause any future gay president to lose focus on the things that are more relevant and crucial to the running of this country.


Funny,

When I read yer responsi-post, all I could think of is wharrr?

So, please forgive me, but I'm putting my capital in mind, man.

Word.

;)
 
2012-05-14 10:01:05 PM
So if I support NASCAR racing, I'm suddenly a stock car driver?

Cool!

/Obama did not flip his tortilla when he said he supports civil rights for all Americans.
 
2012-05-14 10:10:49 PM
Used that fact to shock the crap out of the middle class suburban US h/s I attended in 1963. If Newsweek is that far behind on its "news" nearly half a century later it speaks volumes on why the mainstream american media isn't worth watching or reading.
 
2012-05-14 10:14:45 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: bunner: Nobody who uses the word "libtard" without a shred of irony has any political credibility.

As a matter of fact, the whole making up words like "libtard". "Odumba" and "fartbongo" reek of the political acuity of a snot nosed 6 year old.

Somehow you libs were the ones who came up with "Fartbongo" and then tried to pin it on conservatives to prove how racist they are.


I don't care much who came up with that ridiculous nickname "Fartbongo", but whoever did, be it liberals or conservatives should be lobotomized with a hammer and a chisel.

So, maybe I'm not up on my new century racism, but how is that racist? To me it just makes whoever the hell came up with it seem like an immature dick with the mental power of a highly functioning developmentally disabled 6 year old. The only people who should be ashamed of that are the people who say it.

To continue my rant, I would love for someone, anyone to tell me what the hell this word means. I must have not been paying attention or something cause I first started noticing it about a half year ago, so I'd love to have the back story on this one.

Thanks in advance fine denizens of fark.

For my money, I'm really waiting for people to come up with some kind of reason to start calling him Hobama, just since I love when people take any chance to start calling politicians prostitutes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we get some kind of 2012 campaign finance gaffe.
 
2012-05-14 10:21:14 PM
Wow. I clicked on a link about gay Presidents and read an entire article about f*cking beards.
 
2012-05-14 10:23:26 PM
Gays would be better off not not claiming the person who was arguably the worst president in history.

The claim that homosexuality was tolerated is questionable. Sure some elite might have looked other way if he was close to men, but pretty much no one at the time would have tolerated him if it became undeniable that he was engaged in homosexual sex.

The article should be faulted for ignoring potential evidence to the contrary: he had girl friends. That does not rule out homosexuality, but that issue should have been dealt with. And that it was hardly unusual for men to share a room and even a bed at the time without anyone suspecting homosexual activity means cohabitation is not good enough evidence. And of course, gossip is not that good evidence either.
 
2012-05-14 10:25:09 PM
Mitt is sort of fabulous.
 
2012-05-14 10:37:50 PM
There were gays in the U.S. in the 19th century, sure. You didn't dare openly say certain things about men. Especially if they were true. Especially while dealing with Southerners- there was a duelling culture very much alive there and right until the Civil War- and after, in some areas- you'd be worse off socially if you were caught blowing your coachman at high noon in Charleston in the main street than if you'd incited a man to challenge you to a duel and then refuse.
 
2012-05-14 10:38:22 PM
what is up with this "Obama is divisive" crap?

Republicans: "Obama is a sekrit Kenyan soshulist Muslin!"
Democrats: "No he's not."
Republicans: "OMG he's divisive! See how he's dividing us!"
 
2012-05-14 10:44:18 PM
You can hang out and play tennis with a gay guy, and after the game you say "I'm gonna go get a beer, what you going to do?"
 
2012-05-14 10:53:18 PM

StanTheMan: mcjam: Animatronik: This is their big wedge and theyre running with it.

And you intolerant retards are scared crapless because of it. How's it feel being on defense, you sacless sucks?

Ha, from the libtards who are oh-so-tolerant of those who agree with them. It feels great, since 23% of independents are less likely to vote for this incompetent, dividing, disastrous amateur Odumba. The dumb-bunny probably lost some swing states over it. Defensive my ass, this flip-flop shows the Dems are in a panic.

Can't wait to throw The Amateur out in November.


Amateur? Mitt is more of a pretender.
 
2012-05-14 10:54:09 PM
I guess he can put the LGBT award right next to the peace prize?
 
2012-05-14 10:54:18 PM

firefly212: It is a huge deal to me... one candidate wants a second class citizenship for me where I get to pay more taxes, have fewer rights, not get to visit the people I care about in the hospital, and lose my house if my partner dies... the other views me as an equal


dissect: nothing makes you a second class citizen. You have all the same rights as any other citizen. YOU so not have a special right to change what is a recognized institution of a formal agreement to create what is arguably the very core of a civilized society-the family.
Taxes: You are simply wrong. The "marriage tax is a political toy on many issues.
On partner rights:Nothing prevent you and another citizen from entering a power of attorney,healthcare proxy,joint ownership of property.
Those who wish to destroy the institution of one man one woman marriage by opening it up to "options" are opening it up to polygamy,incest,bestiality,bigamy.
Live your ALTERNATIVE lifestyle in accord with how society works and YOU and your Partner will want for nothing and have all the respect as any other citizen.
 
2012-05-14 10:58:12 PM
Politics must have been different in the 1850s. Imagine the witch hunt today if a gay guy (or better yet, a rumored gay guy) ran for President.
 
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