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(Salon)   Newsweek: Obama is our first gay president. Salon: Not so fast there   (salon.com) divider line 198
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2012-05-14 03:06:20 PM  
The sad thing?

The beard thing in the article is actually more interesting than Buchanan...
 
2012-05-14 03:11:03 PM  
The birther crap wasn't enough, now we have to go there? This is sad.
 
2012-05-14 03:11:26 PM  
While I agree with most of the article (Buchanan was gay, was probably not "hiding" it that hard, etc), this I'm not so sure about....

Moreover, the nation knew it

While I'd agree that the "elite" of the U.S. probably were aware of it... your common everyday worker I would think might not have. The president, while an important figure, was basically someone talked about in your daily newspaper... if you were one of those who knew how to read, which was not as automatic as it is today.

Maybe I am wrong and "word got passed around" to every little hamlet in the country. Are there real examples of actual newspaper articles from the time that were even "suggesting" that about Buchanan?

Honestly.... I'd love the Newsweek cover photo to put the anti-gay people on the spot about the fact that we've already had an "actual" gay president (not a "gay" president like Bill Clinton was the first "black" president).... and the country didn't erupt in flames from God's fury.

/well, I guess there was the Civil War right after he left office, although, weird that God decided to wait til he was out of office to stir that up. Maybe God hates really tall people more than gay people
 
2012-05-14 03:12:56 PM  
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2012-05-14 03:13:09 PM  
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2012-05-14 03:14:32 PM  
The love of his life was an Alabama senator *teehee*
 
2012-05-14 03:17:30 PM  
The poor President can't get a break.
 
2012-05-14 03:19:39 PM  
Just wanting equal rights for gays makes you gay now? Guess I now have to break up with my girlfriend, learn how to dress, hit the gym and get rid of my gag reflex. That really sucks.
 
2012-05-14 03:23:40 PM  
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Aunt Fancy

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2012-05-14 03:26:54 PM  

dletter: While I'd agree that the "elite" of the U.S. probably were aware of it... your common everyday worker I would think might not have. The president, while an important figure, was basically someone talked about in your daily newspaper... if you were one of those who knew how to read, which was not as automatic as it is today.


Also, don't forget we didn't pry into the personal lives of Presidents like we do now (look at everything Jack Kennedy was able to do, and you know the press knew it).

Yes, there was Yellow Journalism, but all in all the average person the basics of a President's personal life (if that): birthday, wife's name, stuff like that.
 
2012-05-14 03:28:28 PM  

downstairs: dletter: While I'd agree that the "elite" of the U.S. probably were aware of it... your common everyday worker I would think might not have. The president, while an important figure, was basically someone talked about in your daily newspaper... if you were one of those who knew how to read, which was not as automatic as it is today.

Also, don't forget we didn't pry into the personal lives of Presidents like we do now (look at everything Jack Kennedy was able to do, and you know the press knew it).

Yes, there was Yellow Journalism, but all in all the average person the basics of a President's personal life (if that): birthday, wife's name, stuff like that.


shiat, the press held up their end of a gentleman's agreement not to publish photos of FDR in his wheelchair, or using crutches and leg braces. That would never happen today.
 
2012-05-14 03:36:34 PM  
You know, that could have been a great article, except it went on a tangent about beards!
 
2012-05-14 03:38:35 PM  

gameshowhost: The love of his life was an Alabama senator *teehee*


That made me snicker too.
 
2012-05-14 03:39:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: You know, that could have been a great article, except it went on a tangent about beards!


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2012-05-14 03:39:36 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: shiat, the press held up their end of a gentleman's agreement not to publish photos of FDR in his wheelchair, or using crutches and leg braces. That would never happen today.


Yeah. The first president I was familiar with was Reagan (I was 5 when he was elected). So I've grown up with this current system of the press.

But, yeah, my dad told me how different it was before I was born.

I'd much prefer to go back to that. I don't care if you like jelly beans, I don't care if you're getting a BJ behind your wife's back. I know hundreds of people who aren't President of the United States. They're all flawed. They all make bad personal decisions. Myself included.

I've cheated on a girlfriend. So what. I owned up to it, apologized, and we eventually moved on and are still together- married- today. And, yes, I've lied about it to people who aren't my girlfriend... because its none of their damn business.
 
2012-05-14 03:40:55 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: You know, that could have been a great article, except it went on a tangent about beards!


Meh, all internet based articles have to end on a tangent that links to another story on their site. Editors insist on it.
 
2012-05-14 03:47:49 PM  
You could also say Lincoln, but by the standards of the time it wasn't gay for men to do a little frottage. You've got to stay warm in those man camps.
 
2012-05-14 03:50:40 PM  
Who is James Buchanon...

::clicks link::

All right!
 
2012-05-14 03:58:34 PM  

downstairs: FirstNationalBastard: shiat, the press held up their end of a gentleman's agreement not to publish photos of FDR in his wheelchair, or using crutches and leg braces. That would never happen today.

Yeah. The first president I was familiar with was Reagan (I was 5 when he was elected). So I've grown up with this current system of the press.

But, yeah, my dad told me how different it was before I was born.

I'd much prefer to go back to that. I don't care if you like jelly beans, I don't care if you're getting a BJ behind your wife's back. I know hundreds of people who aren't President of the United States. They're all flawed. They all make bad personal decisions. Myself included.

I've cheated on a girlfriend. So what. I owned up to it, apologized, and we eventually moved on and are still together- married- today. And, yes, I've lied about it to people who aren't my girlfriend... because its none of their damn business.


It comes down to this: Nixion. He forever destroyed the office of the presidency. Sure Eisenhower was the first president to be caught in a lie over U2 incident...but most forgave that due to the military nature of the office.

But Nixion pull down his pants and took a collective dump on our nation. Illegal campaign funds, watergate, Cambodia, beef price fixing. And he got away with it, thanks to Ford.
 
2012-05-14 04:01:03 PM  
Oh, and after Nixion-the press wanted some of that Berstine and Woodward fame. Hence everything ending in -gate
 
2012-05-14 04:06:57 PM  
I am just waiting for my parents to send me an email with this in the subject line: FW:FW:FW: FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:Obama is a gay muslin!!!
 
2012-05-14 04:08:58 PM  

Endive Wombat: I am just waiting for my parents to send me an email with this in the subject line: FW:FW:FW: FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:Obama is a gay muslin!!!


What a gay muslin may look like

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2012-05-14 04:26:29 PM  
Well yeah, James Buchanan was the only bachelor during his entire time he was president (and had a niece do all the First Lady duties).

I mean even as a kid who didn't know what that might have meant I realized there was likely something different about Buchanan.
 
2012-05-14 04:31:08 PM  

Andromeda: (and had a niece do all the First Lady duties).


O.o
 
2012-05-14 04:34:20 PM  

Theaetetus: Andromeda: (and had a niece do all the First Lady duties).

O.o


Well, he wasn't the only President to have someone other than a wife do the duties of the First Lady.

But as I was typing that, I figured out you just meant that he was farking his niece.
 
2012-05-14 05:08:43 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Theaetetus: Andromeda: (and had a niece do all the First Lady duties).

O.o

Well, he wasn't the only President to have someone other than a wife do the duties of the First Lady.

But as I was typing that, I figured out you just meant that he was farking his niece.


Yep FDR was notorious for that.
 
2012-05-14 05:18:19 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: It comes down to this: Nixion. He forever destroyed the office of the presidency. Sure Eisenhower was the first president to be caught in a lie over U2 incident...but most forgave that due to the military nature of the office.

But Nixion pull down his pants and took a collective dump on our nation. Illegal campaign funds, watergate, Cambodia, beef price fixing. And he got away with it, thanks to Ford.


As a Nixon-geek (not defender, I've just been facinated with the man since I wrote my first book report)... yep.

Watergate was indeed one of the first public scandals- that everyone was affixed to, every night on TV- that didn't directly come from the duties of the presidency (like you mentioned the U2 scandal).

It was purely ugly politics.

It also pretty much started the press' hounding politicans to catch them in lies. Because, as everyone should know... its one thing to conspire to commit a crime, its another thing to lie about it.

And catching someone in a lie is a heck of a lot easier than dissecting actual policy and the like.

I have no sympathy for Nixon, but I'm also sorry where the press has evolved to since then... and because of what happened then.
 
2012-05-14 05:35:20 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: shiat, the press held up their end of a gentleman's agreement not to publish photos of FDR in his wheelchair, or using crutches and leg braces. That would never happen today.


No, today the editor of Time Magazine sells copies by putting a photo of a three-year-old sucking a teat and then the editor of Newsweek strikes back by faux outing the President of the United States. The press is much better at doing their jobs today.
 
2012-05-14 05:57:09 PM  
but that doesn't fit the narrative
 
2012-05-14 05:57:46 PM  
And thus, the tabloid-fication of news outlets continue.
 
2012-05-14 05:58:47 PM  
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You guys are slipping...

IMO, we'll never really know about whether Buchanan was gay, unless a Victorian Larry Flynt manages to dig up scandalous photos... The same can be said for the similar allegations about Lincoln...
 
2012-05-14 06:00:05 PM  
I find it fascinating that you libs are making this into such a big deal.
 
2012-05-14 06:00:28 PM  
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2012-05-14 06:02:58 PM  
More important than his sexual proclivities is the fact that Buchanan was the single worst President this country ever had. You can say what you like about Nixon's lies, Reagan's senility, Bush's alleged war crimes, or Clinton's sexcapades...none of them will ever equal Buchanan's regarding the impending split of the nation as "happily, a matter of little practical importance."

His complete indifference to politics and to holding the nation together led directly to the Civil War, and everything we've enjoyed since.
 
2012-05-14 06:05:33 PM  

Gyrfalcon: More important than his sexual proclivities is the fact that Buchanan was the single worst President this country ever had. You can say what you like about Nixon's lies, Reagan's senility, Bush's alleged war crimes, or Clinton's sexcapades...none of them will ever equal Buchanan's regarding the impending split of the nation as "happily, a matter of little practical importance."

His complete indifference to politics and to holding the nation together led directly to the Civil War, and everything we've enjoyed since.


All he cared about was clothes.
 
2012-05-14 06:05:52 PM  
wait'll the Van Buren Boys hear about this.
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2012-05-14 06:06:50 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I find it fascinating that you libs are making this into such a big deal.


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2012-05-14 06:07:57 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I find it fascinating that you libs are making this into such a big deal.


If the other side wasn't so hellbent on passing restrictive laws on personal liberty on the subject of homosexuality even to the point of constitutional amendment, then it wouldn't be a big deal.
 
2012-05-14 06:08:04 PM  

Paris1127: IMO, we'll never really know about whether Buchanan was gay, unless a Victorian Larry Flynt manages to dig up scandalous photos... The same can be said for the similar allegations about Lincoln...


there seems to be fairly substantial evidence about Buchanan, but IIRC, the Lincoln theories seemed to be rather reaching (i.e. "Mary Todd was homely, therefore loved Abe the cock.")
 
2012-05-14 06:09:08 PM  
Yes, every man who remains "a bachelor" even as he's successfully adapted to other societal normals must be a faaaaaaaeg.
 
2012-05-14 06:12:36 PM  
Time magazine:

We put a 3-year old sucking his mom's tit on the front page. Let's see you out sensationalize that!

Newsweek: challenge accepted.
 
2012-05-14 06:13:04 PM  
In Victorian times, it was not terribly uncommon for a man to have a special man-friend... there were some other views as well, such as it was generally frowned upon to be a passive giver of homosexual acts, but not so much the receiver. None of them probably viewed themselves as what we think of as 'gay'.

Today's African-American "down-low" culture is similar in many ways as men who have sex with men for recreation. But, they don't identify as 'gay' either.
 
2012-05-14 06:13:04 PM  

ChrisDe:


But Clinton'd in the Boobies after mine. How clever.
 
2012-05-14 06:13:11 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: there seems to be fairly substantial evidence about Buchanan,


With Buchanan it's a case of "Well, there's nothing definite, but if it were to come to light, it wouldn't be a surprise", with Lincoln it's "What are you smoking?".
 
2012-05-14 06:14:11 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Time magazine:

We put a 3-year old sucking his mom's tit on the front page. Let's see you out sensationalize that!

Newsweek: challenge accepted.


I heard it was a four year old
 
2012-05-14 06:15:03 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Yes, every man who remains "a bachelor" even as he's successfully adapted to other societal normals must be a faaaaaaaeg.


Guess who didn't even read the quotes from the aaaaaaarticle and looks like a dummmmbshiiiiiiiiiiiiiat
 
2012-05-14 06:15:32 PM  
You mean James Butt-Cannon.
 
2012-05-14 06:15:54 PM  
If this quote (from a letter Buchanan wrote to his lover after he was appointed ambassador to France)...

I am now "solitary and alone," having no companion in the house with me. I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them. I feel that it is not good for man to be alone; and should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection.

...is accurate, um, how can there be any question about the matter?
 
2012-05-14 06:16:08 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Theaetetus: Andromeda: (and had a niece do all the First Lady duties).

O.o

Well, he wasn't the only President to have someone other than a wife do the duties of the First Lady.

But as I was typing that, I figured out you just meant that he was farking his niece.


IIRC you can go back at least one more president. Franklin Pierce. His wife was so traumatized by the death of their son right before the inauguration, that she saw it as an omen and hid upstairs in the bedroom through the entire presidency.
 
2012-05-14 06:17:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I find it fascinating that you libs are making this into such a big deal.


It is a huge deal to me... one candidate wants a second class citizenship for me where I get to pay more taxes, have fewer rights, not get to visit the people I care about in the hospital, and lose my house if my partner dies... the other views me as an equal.

The only reason you don't think it is a big deal is because you already have all those nifty rights if you decide to use them.
 
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