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2012-05-14 03:20:17 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com

OK, now find a denim of slightly higher quality than Toughskins by Sears.

Also, is the extra inner thigh panel to balance out the pocket? Because it kind of looks like it's simply added there for fat thighs.
 
2012-05-14 03:30:42 PM  
They look like lethal Mom jeans to me.
 
2012-05-14 03:56:40 PM  
"These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.
 
2012-05-14 04:05:01 PM  

BurnShrike: "These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.


I want to hear these things get J. Petermanned up.
 
2012-05-14 04:20:51 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
They really screwed up with the placement of the fly.
Good luck whipping your pistol out of that!
 
2012-05-14 04:22:30 PM  
seen betterwww.denimology.com
 
2012-05-14 04:22:39 PM  
so, the zipper across the front.... is that for when I'm dating Asian chicks?

also:
Obvious pants are obvious, might as well wear a T-shirt that says "PACKING" in big bold letters.
 
2012-05-14 04:23:34 PM  
dusktildawncrotchgun.jpg
 
2012-05-14 04:23:39 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 640x353]

OK, now find a denim of slightly higher quality than Toughskins by Sears.

Also, is the extra inner thigh panel to balance out the pocket? Because it kind of looks like it's simply added there for fat thighs.


Ballroom jeans. Crouch without the ouch.

/Duluth Trading fan
 
2012-05-14 04:23:59 PM  

BurnShrike: "These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.


this. Look, I'm all for gun rights, etc... but the moment you start thinking of yourself as a warrior just because you carry a tiny death machine in your hands, you become a plague on society...
 
2012-05-14 04:25:29 PM  
Plaxico Burress approves
 
2012-05-14 04:25:52 PM  
Those pants are as gay as 8 dudes blowing 9 dudes, with an extra dick just for somebodies ear hole.

Seriously though, wear a fanny pack or buy a messenger bag or other pack with a concealed pouch, please, don't wear those pants.
 
2012-05-14 04:31:13 PM  
I can see that video really amping up some people, it just kinda gave me a headache.
 
2012-05-14 04:31:23 PM  

manimal2878: Those pants are as gay as 8 dudes blowing 9 dudes, with an extra dick just for somebodies ear hole.


THIS,

and just as obvious as the Fast Action Gun Bag.
 
2012-05-14 04:32:29 PM  

reillan: this. Look, I'm all for gun rights, etc... but the moment you start thinking of yourself as a warrior just because you carry a tiny death machine in your hands, you become a plague on society...


I'm not sure about "plague", but I do think it's a stretch at least. It's a method of self-defense. I carry, and I can't think of a single reasonable definition of "warrior" that wouldn't be strained to the breaking point by being applied to me. For that matter, maybe I carry because I'm *not* a warrior.
 
2012-05-14 04:32:42 PM  

Cheron: seen better[www.denimology.com image 300x425]


Dammit, ya' beat me to it.
 
2012-05-14 04:33:23 PM  

manimal2878: Seriously though, wear a fanny pack or buy a messenger bag or other pack with a concealed pouch, please, don't wear those pants.


Wow... they must be pretty bad if you're recommending a fanny pack over these pants. But you're right.
 
2012-05-14 04:34:17 PM  

manimal2878: Seriously though, wear a fanny pack or buy a messenger bag or other pack with a concealed pouch, please, don't wear those pants.


Because a fanny pack screams both "Stylish male" and "I'm just a normal citizen who's not packing a gun in this thing".
I think there's less of a chance for crooks to spot the extra zipper than to notice a trucker with a man-purse.

/If it lets me pack my CZ-p01 in comfort, I'm all for it.
 
2012-05-14 04:39:08 PM  

way south: manimal2878: Seriously though, wear a fanny pack or buy a messenger bag or other pack with a concealed pouch, please, don't wear those pants.

Because a fanny pack screams both "Stylish male" and "I'm just a normal citizen who's not packing a gun in this thing".
I think there's less of a chance for crooks to spot the extra zipper than to notice a trucker with a man-purse.

/If it lets me pack my CZ-p01 in comfort, I'm all for it.


That zipper is just screaming "come at me bro"
 
2012-05-14 04:39:29 PM  
Pants are stupid-looking. I also fail to see how they would actually do much to conceal anything, even when the holster is zipped closed. That Glock on your hip will stand out like a turd in a punch bowl. Also, a zipper is farking slow. They can get hung up. In the fairly unlikely event that you, Joe Civilian, really need a gun in the street, you need it right farking NOW! Better not be any obstacles to your draw beyond maybe a strap with a single snap closure.
 
2012-05-14 04:40:13 PM  
Someone from Texas correct me if I don't have this straight.

In Texas, you can carry a gun unconcealed without a permit. If you want to carry concealed, you need a permit. So far , so good, but there is a rub. If you have a concealed carry permit, you MUST be concealed at all times in public. This can be problematical and can lead to the concealed carry permit holder getting into trouble if his gun accidentally shows.

These jeans resolve that issue. Your gun is zipped up and concealed, even if its obvious you have one.

Personally have no use for them. Interesting idea, good to see innovative ideas even if they don't work out as well as hoped.
 
2012-05-14 04:44:38 PM  
This fails on so many levels. The "holster" looks like it's just a neoprene pocket.
 
2012-05-14 04:47:40 PM  

BigOle8point: Plaxico Burress approves


You know, he did a PSA after the incident.
 
2012-05-14 04:50:01 PM  

LargeCanine: Someone from Texas correct me if I don't have this straight.

In Texas, you can carry a gun unconcealed without a permit. If you want to carry concealed, you need a permit. So far , so good, but there is a rub. If you have a concealed carry permit, you MUST be concealed at all times in public. This can be problematical and can lead to the concealed carry permit holder getting into trouble if his gun accidentally shows.

These jeans resolve that issue. Your gun is zipped up and concealed, even if its obvious you have one.

Personally have no use for them. Interesting idea, good to see innovative ideas even if they don't work out as well as hoped.


Texas is not an open-carry state. You can keep a gun in your car or home without having a permit, but if you want to carry concealed, you need a license to do so. You're correct about needing to carry concealed at all times, assuming you're licensed for it to begin with.
 
2012-05-14 04:56:54 PM  
Was that video a joke? Are these jeans a joke? This has to be a troll, if not, I give props to the creator only for this. "But Hoffner believes strongly that his products should be manufactured in the United States, even if that keeps costs up. Plus, manufacturing at home will allow him to do custom orders."

Dear Lord! I just went to their site, the poses are great. The cargo pants are at least bearable.
 
2012-05-14 04:57:13 PM  

LargeCanine: Someone from Texas correct me if I don't have this straight.

In Texas, you can carry a gun unconcealed without a permit. If you want to carry concealed, you need a permit. So far , so good, but there is a rub. If you have a concealed carry permit, you MUST be concealed at all times in public. This can be problematical and can lead to the concealed carry permit holder getting into trouble if his gun accidentally shows.

These jeans resolve that issue. Your gun is zipped up and concealed, even if its obvious you have one.

Personally have no use for them. Interesting idea, good to see innovative ideas even if they don't work out as well as hoped.


My plan is to have my left leg amputated so I can conceal carry a semi-automatic 12ga shotgun.

No one's gonna have more firepower than me, mister.

/don't ask how I pull the trigger.
 
2012-05-14 04:58:04 PM  
Theoretically these pants help you conceal your gun better. Theoretically you want to be nice and inconspicuous. So this is what you design?

www.americantacticalapparel.com

These things could only be more tacti-kool if they were black. The overall design is at complete cross-purposes with the ostensible goal of concealment.
 
2012-05-14 04:58:24 PM  
FTFA: ""professional door kickers, special responders, and everyday superheroes.""

collective noun for these people: dickwad.

e.g., Betty walked into a room that contained a dickwad of professional door kickers, special responders, and everyday superheroes.
 
2012-05-14 04:59:59 PM  

way south: manimal2878: Seriously though, wear a fanny pack or buy a messenger bag or other pack with a concealed pouch, please, don't wear those pants.

Because a fanny pack screams both "Stylish male" and "I'm just a normal citizen who's not packing a gun in this thing".
I think there's less of a chance for crooks to spot the extra zipper than to notice a trucker with a man-purse.

/If it lets me pack my CZ-p01 in comfort, I'm all for it.


My messanger bag carries my laptop and has a weapon pouch. Or buy a gun you can fit in your pocket, there are tons of new pocket sized guns that can fit in a normal sized pocket without the need to wear pants that look like that. For two pairs of those pants you can buy a Keltec 9mm that will fit in any normal pocket.
 
2012-05-14 05:00:13 PM  
Although those big pockets might be great for IDPA tactical reloads...
 
2012-05-14 05:03:22 PM  
Christ, not another concealed-carry clothing product that screams, "SHOOT ME FIRST!"..

I find a compact weapon, IWB holster, and roomy shirt makes for a much more subtle approach.
 
2012-05-14 05:03:59 PM  
"Women, because of their ergonomics, have always had a problem wearing a pistol at their hip," he said.
 
2012-05-14 05:05:28 PM  

LargeCanine: Someone from Texas correct me if I don't have this straight.

In Texas, you can carry a gun unconcealed without a permit. If you want to carry concealed, you need a permit. So far , so good, but there is a rub. If you have a concealed carry permit, you MUST be concealed at all times in public. This can be problematical and can lead to the concealed carry permit holder getting into trouble if his gun accidentally shows.

These jeans resolve that issue. Your gun is zipped up and concealed, even if its obvious you have one.

Personally have no use for them. Interesting idea, good to see innovative ideas even if they don't work out as well as hoped.


Not from Texas, but that's totally wrong. Texas is a non open-carry state (as is Florida and a bunch of other states that would typically be called "redneck gun toting" or similar). Additionally, in Texas if you intentionally carry in such a way that it's obvious you're carrying, it's against the law (the so-called "printing" law).

So, if these jeans obviously print, and you carry in them, you've broken TX law.
 
2012-05-14 05:05:36 PM  

BurnShrike: "These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.




Must be nice living in a country where no crime ever happens, right?


About the article, $149 per set AND $49 for the holster? Wow that is steep. 3 pair would run you $500... way too much.


About the video, LOLWUT.
 
2012-05-14 05:07:36 PM  

TXEric: Christ, not another concealed-carry clothing product that screams, "SHOOT ME FIRST!"..

I find a compact weapon, IWB holster, and roomy shirt makes for a much more subtle approach.


I find open carry to be a much less subtle approach and a ready reminder that actions have consequences: "start violence here and it may be your last act."

Plus, the holster is a hell of a lot more comfortable than IWB.

/Still CC when I am not in a place that's easy to maintain situational awareness.
 
2012-05-14 05:10:40 PM  

twiztedjustin: BurnShrike: "These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.



Must be nice living in a country where no crime ever happens, right?


About the article, $149 per set AND $49 for the holster? Wow that is steep. 3 pair would run you $500... way too much.


About the video, LOLWUT.


You overestimate the danger out there. I've walked through housing projects at midnight and never been messed with.
 
2012-05-14 05:10:47 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: LargeCanine: Someone from Texas correct me if I don't have this straight.

In Texas, you can carry a gun unconcealed without a permit. If you want to carry concealed, you need a permit. So far , so good, but there is a rub. If you have a concealed carry permit, you MUST be concealed at all times in public. This can be problematical and can lead to the concealed carry permit holder getting into trouble if his gun accidentally shows.

These jeans resolve that issue. Your gun is zipped up and concealed, even if its obvious you have one.

Personally have no use for them. Interesting idea, good to see innovative ideas even if they don't work out as well as hoped.

Texas is not an open-carry state. You can keep a gun in your car or home without having a permit, but if you want to carry concealed, you need a license to do so. You're correct about needing to carry concealed at all times, assuming you're licensed for it to begin with.


Not an open carry state. Gotcha. Still, its strange that one has to keep it concealed if you have a permit.
 
2012-05-14 05:13:01 PM  

TXEric: Christ, not another concealed-carry clothing product that screams, "SHOOT ME FIRST!"..

I find a compact weapon, IWB holster, and roomy shirt makes for a much more subtle approach.


I find that even if you strap on a gold plated Desert Eagle in a neon pink thigh rig, most people won't notice. 99.9% of the population is completely oblivious to everything around them.

The 0.1% that do notice will just recognize:
www.cheatingfrenzy.com
 
2012-05-14 05:14:42 PM  

LargeCanine: Not an open carry state. Gotcha. Still, its strange that one has to keep it concealed if you have a permit.


Nobody ever said gun laws made sense.

/nobody worth listening to anyway
 
2012-05-14 05:16:26 PM  

BurnShrike: "These pants are engineered for battle, and for everyday operating. For warriors, by warriors."

You're out shopping for truck testicles. It's not a battle ground. It's a store on a city street.

Farking maniacs.


I had considered purchase of such apparel. The use of such a statement in advertising has convinced me to continue using my current holster.
 
2012-05-14 05:19:45 PM  
While watching the video I noticed that they managed to laze themselves just about every draw.
 
2012-05-14 05:28:34 PM  
Could you call those pants an attractive nuisance?
At first I was like "hey lady I was looking at those hips of yours..."
Then I was like "Whoa, whoa, calm down! I thought those were your hips, not your guns"
Then I though 'while we are on this line of thought, can I see your guns?'
*she cocked the hammer back*
suddenly I realized I just said that out loud.

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

/glad his business is taking off, but it looks like there might be some room for a little competition
 
2012-05-14 05:29:50 PM  
Really it is quite simple. If you want to carry a gun all the time, wear it in a pancake holster under a suit/sportcoat that is cut just a bit large.

Some might say "but those are not comfortable for ____ reason." My only response is that hauling around a lump of metal and plastic is not comfortable either, and you are willing to do that.

Just dress up a little bit and you wont have an issue carrying concealed. Unless of course, you are in a place where nobody dresses up. That means you are either on the left coast were all guns are illegal, or you are in a ghetto slum and even if you wore sweats and a hoodie, you would stand out.
 
2012-05-14 05:33:13 PM  

The WindowLicker: Really it is quite simple. If you want to carry a gun all the time, wear it in a pancake holster under a suit/sportcoat that is cut just a bit large.

Some might say "but those are not comfortable for ____ reason." My only response is that hauling around a lump of metal and plastic is not comfortable either, and you are willing to do that.

Just dress up a little bit and you wont have an issue carrying concealed. Unless of course, you are in a place where nobody dresses up. That means you are either on the left coast were all guns are illegal, or you are in a ghetto slum and even if you wore sweats and a hoodie, you would stand out.


Last I checked, both WA and OR were on the "left coast", and both are open carry states, WA more than OR, but both infinitely more than TX or FL.
 
2012-05-14 05:33:15 PM  

JesseL: TXEric: Christ, not another concealed-carry clothing product that screams, "SHOOT ME FIRST!"..

I find a compact weapon, IWB holster, and roomy shirt makes for a much more subtle approach.

I find that even if you strap on a gold plated Desert Eagle in a neon pink thigh rig, most people won't notice. 99.9% of the population is completely oblivious to everything around them.

The 0.1% that do notice will just recognize:
[www.cheatingfrenzy.com image 251x320]


Between the wolves and the sheepdogs, that 0.1% who does notice are the ones who are looking to shoot you first!
 
2012-05-14 05:34:37 PM  

Tawnos: TXEric: Christ, not another concealed-carry clothing product that screams, "SHOOT ME FIRST!"..

I find a compact weapon, IWB holster, and roomy shirt makes for a much more subtle approach.

I find open carry to be a much less subtle approach and a ready reminder that actions have consequences: "start violence here and it may be your last act."

Plus, the holster is a hell of a lot more comfortable than IWB.

/Still CC when I am not in a place that's easy to maintain situational awareness.


Agree with the comfort angle - and I would probably still CC a BUG even if I had one on my hip, open carry.
I just don't like the idea of advertising.
I do support OC though, mainly because it minimizes the risks of printing when CC'ing.

I think they are getting better at making the CC clothing less conspicuous and "tactical" looking, which is ideal. However, not in the case of these "Bad Mama" jeans...
 
2012-05-14 05:40:19 PM  

The WindowLicker: Just dress up a little bit and you wont have an issue carrying concealed.


Or dress down a little. An untucked shirt is all I've ever needed to conceal. Even a T-shirt works, so long as it's not white.
 
2012-05-14 05:40:21 PM  
What concealed carry clothing might look like:

i00.i.aliimg.com
 
2012-05-14 05:42:11 PM  

Branch Dravidian: What concealed carry clothing might look like:

[i00.i.aliimg.com image 420x550]


Unless you're carrying a rifle, that's a tad excessive, and will just result in a longer, clumsier draw. ;)
 
2012-05-14 05:42:20 PM  

Tawnos: Last I checked, both WA and OR were on the "left coast", and both are open carry states, WA more than OR, but both infinitely more than TX or FL.


I was pretty heavily tongue in cheek there, but yes I am aware that WA and OR are more common sense than the peoples republic of California.

The point mostly is that if you want to take a position of public trust (by carrying a gun), you should also be willing to dress up slightly. Maybe it is just my increasingly low tolerance for the proliferation of tacticool stuff.

Your equipment does not determine your role in society. Buying an entire wardrobe of 5.11 clothing, and a whole arsenal of weapons does not make you an operator. It makes you a glorified airsoft player that is more likely than most people to shoot someone with real bullets.
 
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