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2012-05-14 05:02:03 PM  
Poor Mitt. He's really wants to be president, but he never will be.

Because he sucks.
 
2012-05-14 05:02:43 PM  

skullkrusher: Weaver95: skullkrusher: I asked "why not?" He made a bunch of money for himself and Bain Capital engaging in business. Seems to be quite astute in business. Then you wanted to conflate being a good businessman with doing what is best for the economy as President. That, of course, is silly.

But that's not good business, that's merely looting a company and then moving on.

ugh... his business WAS the looting, or the turnaround and selling depending on the case. And he was good at it.


If it increased profits would beating and intimidating union organizers be the actions of a "good businessman"?

If it increased profits, would dumping toxic waste in your water supply be the actions of a good businessman?

If limited liability to the company, would "eliminating" a potential whistleblower be the actions of a good businessman?

If it increased morale for the sales staff, would forcing your wife to give the monthly sales leader a blowjob be the actions of a "good business man"?
 
2012-05-14 05:03:00 PM  

Corvus: Yes, yes he was. (but after you found that out now it no longer magically counts)


what was he accused of and tried for? What Madoffian scheme did he beat the rap for. That's the comparison you've been trying to draw. Connect the dots.

Corvus: This was a company that Bain had taken over. One the was personally being overseen by Mitt Romney at the time of this fraud. Saying a fraudster is a good businessman is EXACTLY what you are saying!


that is not good business. That is fraud.
 
2012-05-14 05:03:14 PM  
ole' Sh*tt Romney is pretty good at sucking.
 
2012-05-14 05:03:26 PM  
Bain Capitol's orientation literature for new employees (SFW):

Link
 
2012-05-14 05:04:26 PM  

skullkrusher: Weaver95: hubiestubert: Even when I was a member of the GOP, Romney was never a choice. His record has been indicative of his performance. We cannot afford a Romney Presidency. Our grandchildren can't afford a Romney Presidency...

y'know, if we wanted to prove a point to skullkrusher about why unethical collusion is a bad thing...we'd organize everyone in this thread to hit the 'report thread' button to the mods, and get as many of his posts removed as possible. Because hey - that suits OUR goals, right? and if it makes us feel better, then we should do it...or so goes the skullkrusher ethos anyways.

hahaha holy crap you're pathetic. Bain acted immorally in many instances. However, morality and good business do not necessarily go hand in hand. One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.


ah, but in your ethos, if it suits my goals I should do it. if I can organize 100 farkers to report your comments as trolling, and they all get blown away by the mods...then in your worldview I'm right and you are wrong. I can do it, it succeeded and that's all there is to it.

or do you not like it when YOU are the target?
 
2012-05-14 05:04:53 PM  

Weaver95: skullkrusher: Weaver95: skullkrusher: I asked "why not?" He made a bunch of money for himself and Bain Capital engaging in business. Seems to be quite astute in business. Then you wanted to conflate being a good businessman with doing what is best for the economy as President. That, of course, is silly.

But that's not good business, that's merely looting a company and then moving on.

ugh... his business WAS the looting, or the turnaround and selling depending on the case. And he was good at it.

that makes him a good looter, not a businessman.


I give up. Romney sucks at business because businesspeople are required to act morally in order to be considered good at business. Paying employees $15 an hour when they could be had for $8 is good business because a living wage is moral and $8 an hour is not.
Whatever you want it to be
 
2012-05-14 05:06:56 PM  

skullkrusher: Weaver95: skullkrusher: Weaver95: skullkrusher: I asked "why not?" He made a bunch of money for himself and Bain Capital engaging in business. Seems to be quite astute in business. Then you wanted to conflate being a good businessman with doing what is best for the economy as President. That, of course, is silly.

But that's not good business, that's merely looting a company and then moving on.

ugh... his business WAS the looting, or the turnaround and selling depending on the case. And he was good at it.

that makes him a good looter, not a businessman.
I give up. Romney sucks at business because businesspeople are required to act morally in order to be considered good at business. Paying employees $15 an hour when they could be had for $8 is good business because a living wage is moral and $8 an hour is not.
Whatever you want it to be


honestly, it's like you don't ever leave the house or talk to actual human beings.
 
2012-05-14 05:07:09 PM  

Weaver95: skullkrusher: Weaver95: hubiestubert: Even when I was a member of the GOP, Romney was never a choice. His record has been indicative of his performance. We cannot afford a Romney Presidency. Our grandchildren can't afford a Romney Presidency...

y'know, if we wanted to prove a point to skullkrusher about why unethical collusion is a bad thing...we'd organize everyone in this thread to hit the 'report thread' button to the mods, and get as many of his posts removed as possible. Because hey - that suits OUR goals, right? and if it makes us feel better, then we should do it...or so goes the skullkrusher ethos anyways.

hahaha holy crap you're pathetic. Bain acted immorally in many instances. However, morality and good business do not necessarily go hand in hand. One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.

ah, but in your ethos, if it suits my goals I should do it. if I can organize 100 farkers to report your comments as trolling, and they all get blown away by the mods...then in your worldview I'm right and you are wrong. I can do it, it succeeded and that's all there is to it.

or do you not like it when YOU are the target?


what have you gathered of my ethos in this thread? I asked you to support a stupid statement. You've invented strawmen and acted like a farking ninny. Morality and business do not go hand in hand. If it did, we wouldn't have child labor laws and environmental regulations. The only good businesspeople are... wait, you're not going for the "good businesspeople" using the word "good" in the moral "good vs evil" sense, are you?
 
2012-05-14 05:09:43 PM  

Weaver95: honestly, it's like you don't ever leave the house or talk to actual human beings.


I don't think that's it.

I think his definition and yours are different.

I agree with skullkrusher on his point. Morals aside, Romney was good at making his company, Bain Capital, money. Whether you consider that to be "good" or not is not the point he was making. Whether that was good for society as a whole or the company Bain took over is irrelevant to his point.

Is he an immoral businessman who will fire whoever he needs to in order to eke out another dollar in profit? Maybe, but that wasn't the question.
 
2012-05-14 05:09:48 PM  

skullkrusher: what have you gathered of my ethos in this thread?


you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?
 
2012-05-14 05:11:18 PM  

EighthDay: Weaver95: honestly, it's like you don't ever leave the house or talk to actual human beings.

I don't think that's it.

I think his definition and yours are different.

I agree with skullkrusher on his point. Morals aside, Romney was good at making his company, Bain Capital, money. Whether you consider that to be "good" or not is not the point he was making. Whether that was good for society as a whole or the company Bain took over is irrelevant to his point.

Is he an immoral businessman who will fire whoever he needs to in order to eke out another dollar in profit? Maybe, but that wasn't the question.


making money doesn't mean you're a businessman. I can rob banks and make money...does that make me a businessman?
 
2012-05-14 05:11:57 PM  

skullkrusher: One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.


Well, you sure convinced me to vote for Rmoney. There's nothing I want more in the whole world than a morally depraved asshole for President.
 
2012-05-14 05:12:44 PM  

Weaver95: skullkrusher: what have you gathered of my ethos in this thread?

you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?


I'd say he's more ignoring the existence of any externality to the company, and solely defining what constitutes "good business" as that which promotes the short term bottom line.
 
2012-05-14 05:12:47 PM  

Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not?


when the fark have I said that? What I DID say was that morality is not necessary for a person to be a good businessperson because you can be an amoral farkwad and still excel at business. Heard of the Gilded Age?
 
2012-05-14 05:12:48 PM  

bdub77: Weaver95: ooo! i'll bet I know what our local GOP shills are gonna say to spin this! 'it was the unions fault!'

you wait and see.

Select a GOP excuse from the following:
( ) "Unions are killing jobs in this country."
( ) "Taxes are killing jobs in this country."
( ) "Regulations are killing jobs in this country."
( ) "Welfare recipients are killing jobs in this country."
( ) "My (racist/homophobic/mysogenistic/sociopathic) comment was taken out context."
( ) "Corporations are people."
( ) "But...Obama"
( ) "He told me he was 18."


( ) "I only hired that rentboy to carry my luggage"
( ) "I was hiking the Appalachian Trail"
 
2012-05-14 05:13:22 PM  

The Larch: skullkrusher: One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.

Well, you sure convinced me to vote for Rmoney. There's nothing I want more in the whole world than a morally depraved asshole for President.


hasn't been my point despite what people have pretended.
 
2012-05-14 05:13:33 PM  

Cyberluddite: I really don't want to hear about this and ain't gonna listen any more, man. To beleive this load of crap, you'd have to be a moron, I think. That's just how capitalism works. It's unfortunite that multiple wives, children, and there husband's might loose their livelyhood when an underperforming company gets taken over by venture capitalists, but you should blame the managment and labor union's that ran the business into the ground in the early days, not the venture capitalists who try to save it in the latter days--ain't no other choice but to put it in to bankrupcty after the damage has already been done. It's usually the former CEO's who are at fault, enjoying fat bonuses, acting like they're golden, plates of lobster and bottle's of champane every night, and then when things start going bad they take the money and run, and stick a company like Bain with the cleanup. Sure, its tough on John Doe or Joe Smith whose outta work, but a company like Bain can't do magic. Under where and what authority does Fartbama think he can get up there and blow his golden trumpet and accuse Romney of being some kinda "vampire"? That socialest wacko's really talking out of his hat, and he's got no room to talk--he's been promising for 4 years that he would bring the country jobs, lotsa jobs, but unemployments still through the roof so he never did bring 'em. Young socialists might be fooled by this horseshiat, but smart Republicans aren't.


Double LOL. cannot highlight on mobile.
 
2012-05-14 05:14:01 PM  

Weaver95: making money doesn't mean you're a businessman. I can rob banks and make money...does that make me a businessman?


No, that makes you a criminal.

What Romney did wasn't technically illegal (AFAIK, IANAL)

You guys are arguing over semantics at this point. :)
 
2012-05-14 05:14:51 PM  

The Larch: skullkrusher: One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.

Well, you sure convinced me to vote for Rmoney. There's nothing I want more in the whole world than a morally depraved asshole for President.


I thought that was the whole reason to vote Repulican. It is why I'm voting for Romney, because I want to see the US burn.
 
2012-05-14 05:14:53 PM  

EighthDay: Weaver95: honestly, it's like you don't ever leave the house or talk to actual human beings.

I don't think that's it.

I think his definition and yours are different.

I agree with skullkrusher on his point. Morals aside, Romney was good at making his company, Bain Capital, money. Whether you consider that to be "good" or not is not the point he was making. Whether that was good for society as a whole or the company Bain took over is irrelevant to his point.

Is he an immoral businessman who will fire whoever he needs to in order to eke out another dollar in profit? Maybe, but that wasn't the question.


it's almost as if Weavs is trying to purposefully miss the point in attempt to atone for the fact that he used to be the biggest Republican shill that he biatches about all the time.
 
2012-05-14 05:15:31 PM  

Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?



I don't think that represents skullkrusher's attitude in general.
 
2012-05-14 05:17:08 PM  

skullkrusher: Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not?

when the fark have I said that? What I DID say was that morality is not necessary for a person to be a good businessperson because you can be an amoral farkwad and still excel at business. Heard of the Gilded Age?


hey, you asked what I had gathered regarding your views on business ethics and morality. I gave you an honest answer, based on what you said (and implied) with your comments in this thread. you come across (at least to me anyways) as self centered, short sighted and somewhat hypocritical voter who's dedicated to advancing your goals at the expense of others.

But that's just like...my opinion man. I wouldn't worry about what one random idiot on the internets thinks about your complete lack of ethics.
 
2012-05-14 05:20:35 PM  

guestguy: Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?

I don't think that represents skullkrusher's attitude in general.


or even in this thread. Honestly, it's a baffling reading of what I've said if I assume he is being honest in that assessment.
 
2012-05-14 05:21:42 PM  

skullkrusher: it's almost as if Weavs is trying to purposefully miss the point in attempt to atone for the fact that he used to be the biggest Republican shill that he biatches about all the time.



I think it's more a matter of how your questions/comments were interpreted within the context of the thread topic....namely how Romney's actions at Bain reflect on his quality as a presidential candidate.
 
2012-05-14 05:21:44 PM  

skullkrusher: guestguy: Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?

I don't think that represents skullkrusher's attitude in general.

or even in this thread. Honestly, it's a baffling reading of what I've said if I assume he is being honest in that assessment.


and yet...
 
2012-05-14 05:22:34 PM  

guestguy: skullkrusher: it's almost as if Weavs is trying to purposefully miss the point in attempt to atone for the fact that he used to be the biggest Republican shill that he biatches about all the time.

I think it's more a matter of how your questions/comments were interpreted within the context of the thread topic....namely how Romney's actions at Bain reflect on his quality as a presidential candidate.


I would agree.

I think your point got lost in the overall tone of the discussion.
 
2012-05-14 05:23:31 PM  

skullkrusher: The Larch: skullkrusher: One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.

Well, you sure convinced me to vote for Rmoney. There's nothing I want more in the whole world than a morally depraved asshole for President.

hasn't been my point despite what people have pretended.


You are right. Your point is that Romney is a good businessman, if you limit your definition of business to extracting short term cash flow from an otherwise healthy company, pocketing the proceeds, and dropping the dedicated corpse off in the nearest bankruptcy bin. Of course, some people seem to think that business is about creating value for yourself, your employees, and your customers. You sure told them where they were wrong.

At no point did you ever imply that anyone should ever vote for a successful businessman. That's probably good, because under your twisted definition of business, a successful businessman is almost certainly a pile of immoral shiat.
 
2012-05-14 05:24:10 PM  

guestguy: skullkrusher: it's almost as if Weavs is trying to purposefully miss the point in attempt to atone for the fact that he used to be the biggest Republican shill that he biatches about all the time.

I think it's more a matter of how your questions/comments were interpreted within the context of the thread topic....namely how Romney's actions at Bain reflect on his quality as a presidential candidate.


I do not think Romney has the moral character or ability for empathy that is required to be a good leader. I think he has a great moral character and capacity for empathy to be an excellent businessman.
 
2012-05-14 05:24:49 PM  

guestguy: Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?

I don't think that represents skullkrusher's attitude in general.


I agree. I think you got it wrong this time Weaver
 
2012-05-14 05:25:32 PM  
skully, you are really pissing kitty off.

I wouldn't pour a cup of stale pee on a known-to-be unethical businessman if he were on fire, no matter how much filthy lucre he offered me while screaming to be put out.

You've lost something human in making your arguement.
 
2012-05-14 05:27:00 PM  

The Larch: skullkrusher: The Larch: skullkrusher: One can be morally upright and a crappy businessperson or morally depraved and an excellent businessperson. In many cases, Romney was the latter.

Well, you sure convinced me to vote for Rmoney. There's nothing I want more in the whole world than a morally depraved asshole for President.

hasn't been my point despite what people have pretended.

You are right. Your point is that Romney is a good businessman, if you limit your definition of business to extracting short term cash flow from an otherwise healthy company, pocketing the proceeds, and dropping the dedicated corpse off in the nearest bankruptcy bin. Of course, some people seem to think that business is about creating value for yourself, your employees, and your customers. You sure told them where they were wrong.

At no point did you ever imply that anyone should ever vote for a successful businessman. That's probably good, because under your twisted definition of business, a successful businessman is almost certainly a pile of immoral shiat.


as long as words mean whatever you want them to mean, then you can never be wrong.

However, to me being successful in business does not require doing the right thing unless the right thing makes money. We'd be far better off if business acted in a responsible and moral way but the words don't mean the same thing. In fact, it is probably often easier to be successful as business if you ignore your conscience.
 
2012-05-14 05:28:11 PM  

Kittypie070: skully, you are really pissing kitty off.

I wouldn't pour a cup of stale pee on a known-to-be unethical businessman if he were on fire, no matter how much filthy lucre he offered me while screaming to be put out.

You've lost something human in making your arguement.


in making the argument that acting immorally is often the best bottom line decision and that Romney has been guilty of it often in the past? Sorry that upsets you so much, Kitty.
 
2012-05-14 05:28:46 PM  
So, to summarize this thread: Bain Capital is comprised of Ferengi, and Romney would make a great Grand Nagus, but not a good president.
 
2012-05-14 05:28:54 PM  

skullkrusher: I do not think Romney has the moral character or ability for empathy that is required to be a good leader. I think he has a great moral character and capacity for empathy to be an excellent businessman.



That's the sense I've gotten from you before.
 
2012-05-14 05:30:17 PM  
Bain Capital and the American Worker: still a better love story than Twilight.
 
2012-05-14 05:30:21 PM  

Kittypie070: skully, you are really pissing kitty off.

I wouldn't pour a cup of stale pee on a known-to-be unethical businessman if he were on fire, no matter how much filthy lucre he offered me while screaming to be put out.

You've lost something human in making your arguement.


I think you missed the point. Being successful in business does not = doing the right for humanity.
 
2012-05-14 05:31:48 PM  

guestguy: skullkrusher: I do not think Romney has the moral character or ability for empathy that is required to be a good leader. I think he has a great moral character and capacity for empathy to be an excellent businessman.

That's the sense I've gotten from you before.


as would most if they read what I say rather than what they think I mean :)

I'll say it again - I have never, EVER, in my voting life voted for a major party candidate for national or significant office except in 2010 when I voted for Cuomo for Governor and Nadler as my Rep. They're both Democrats. I have no plans to change this track record in November and would probably even vote for Obama if I were in a swing state. Since I am not, I'll probably vote for my penis as a write in candidate.
 
2012-05-14 05:31:49 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: guestguy: Weaver95: you've said that morality and ethics are pointless, that if something suits your goals than you should do it because hey - why not? you don't care about the consequences of immoral or unethical actions unless something bad happens to you, then you care very much indeed.

But if you don't believe me, then lets open up that question to the rest of the people reading this thread. does anyone disagree with my assessment, or would anyone in the audience like to add something to my description?

I don't think that represents skullkrusher's attitude in general.

I agree. I think you got it wrong this time Weaver


since we're dealing with subjective standards and opinions, that's certainly understandable...

but i'm not seeing a whole lot of ethical behavior from skully here, just a lot of goal post movement, dodging and change of subjects.
 
2012-05-14 05:32:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dameron: I'll give Obama one thing, he does not pull punches. There's none of Clinton's southern "well bless your heart" winking prods, it's all crushing crotch shots.

From what I've seen so far, it's only going to get worse for Romney as the campaign goes on.

What I can't figure out is why Candidate Obama can't give some of those brass balls to President Obama.


Because insofar as he has an ideology at all he is, in fact, a moderate conservative and has gotten basically everything he wanted without having to fight much. He isn't the liberalist lib to ever have lib'd a left just because the republicans say so ya know?
 
2012-05-14 05:33:49 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Kittypie070: skully, you are really pissing kitty off.

I wouldn't pour a cup of stale pee on a known-to-be unethical businessman if he were on fire, no matter how much filthy lucre he offered me while screaming to be put out.

You've lost something human in making your arguement.

I think you missed the point. Being successful in business does not = doing the right for humanity.


being successful in business means NOT DESTROYING YOUR COMPANY! seriously. you learn this during the first week of econ 101. destroy your company == failure. even if you make money off the destruction...you've failed as a businessman.

or, to again hammer this point home, you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. this isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
 
2012-05-14 05:33:53 PM  

skullkrusher: In fact, it is probably often easier to be successful as business if you ignore your conscience.


And actually here you have gotten close to the base reason why you are wrong in this thread.

The unethical, immoral way to making a lot of money in business is often the easy way, the short cut. A really "good businessman" is the person who manages to make a profit for themselves and their company without taking that shortcut. A good businessman can make money and create products and services which better the common good. Mitt Romney wasn't a good enough businessman to do that. He had to take the shortcut of destroying to make his gains.
 
2012-05-14 05:35:10 PM  

Weaver95: JusticeandIndependence: Kittypie070: skully, you are really pissing kitty off.

I wouldn't pour a cup of stale pee on a known-to-be unethical businessman if he were on fire, no matter how much filthy lucre he offered me while screaming to be put out.

You've lost something human in making your arguement.

I think you missed the point. Being successful in business does not = doing the right for humanity.

being successful in business means NOT DESTROYING YOUR COMPANY! seriously. you learn this during the first week of econ 101. destroy your company == failure. even if you make money off the destruction...you've failed as a businessman.

or, to again hammer this point home, you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg. this isn't a difficult concept to grasp.


yeah, you keep saying this... Romney's company was Bain. He didn't destroy Bain. He enriched it.
 
2012-05-14 05:35:25 PM  

simplicimus: So, to summarize this thread: Bain Capital is comprised of Ferengi, and Romney would make a great Grand Nagus, but not a good president.


in a nutshell, yes. But even the Ferengi wouldn't like Romney...he's untrustworthy by even their standards.
 
2012-05-14 05:36:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: MyRandomName: The company lasted 10 years after bain bought it. Do liberals honestly expect companies to last forever? Companies do fail, unless propped up as a favorite of liberals I guess. Liquidation is a natural part of capitalism. Failing business goes under to make way for healthy entrants. Stop trying to legislate failure out of existence.

Thanks for posting, Mitt.


You really think Mittens could come up with a name that creative? I'd wager more on NoIAmNotMittRomney or ThisIsNotAMittRomneySocko.
 
2012-05-14 05:37:51 PM  
Skullkrusher, there are two components to being a successful businessman: You have to create something of value, and you have to extract a profit from that value.

We all agree that Romney is really good at half of the requirements to be a businessman. He sure can extract profit. But he actually destroys value in the process. Hes the kind of guy who buys an apple orchard in a struggling year, sells the equipment, cuts down the trees for the wood, and then abandons the land.

If he doesnt create value, he's not a businessman. He's a looter.
 
2012-05-14 05:38:06 PM  

skullkrusher: yeah, you keep saying this... Romney's company was Bain. He didn't destroy Bain. He enriched it.


that's an amazingly stupid way of looking at Romney's tactics. but hey, lets hope the GOP goes the same route. it'll make the debates ever so much more fun!
 
2012-05-14 05:38:28 PM  

dameron: I'll give Obama one thing, he does not pull punches. There's none of Clinton's southern "well bless your heart" winking prods, it's all crushing crotch shots.


Obama 2012
It's all crushing crotch shots.
 
2012-05-14 05:39:28 PM  
Romney left Bain Capital in 1999. The steel mill closed 2 years later.

Sorry to introduce the facts to the discussion. You may now continue to flame on Romney.
 
2012-05-14 05:40:38 PM  
I don't know what kind of point skull's trying to make, then.

I'm not stupid, but I feel like I've been fooled with.
 
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