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(Deadspin)   NBA commissioner David Stern, who can move franchises to a new city, veto trades and force injured players to wear suits wants people to think he can't do anything about flopping   (deadspin.com) divider line 60
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2012-05-14 11:12:05 AM
Try some briefs, Mr. Stern.
 
2012-05-14 11:33:13 AM
That would be further evidence that sime stars get special treatment and kobe would not be on the line for flopping every drive
 
2012-05-14 11:33:23 AM
Shouldn't a David Stern thread be in the Entertainment tab?!
 
2012-05-14 11:34:52 AM
He also is incapable of determining whether or not suspensions are appropriate. No, literally, that was his excuse, that it was out of his hands. Yeah, it's weird how you're omnipotent until it comes to something that you don't want changed but everyone else thinks is terrible.

/refs have called it a lot less this year, I will give him that.
 
2012-05-14 11:36:22 AM
View the play after the fact and fine them accordingly. If they do it again, suspend them and make them take anti-flopping therapy. Problem solved.
 
2012-05-14 11:41:08 AM
 
2012-05-14 11:43:09 AM
Reffing in the NBA is the biggest problem the sport has, and I don't think there's any question. The difference in some of the calls they make is ruining the sport as a whole. Missing obvious calls or calling cheap ones have the same affect. You have no idea what's going to happen, and it seems like the refs decide the game more than the players.

What needs to be done is to funnel more money into training these guys. I'm not saying it's easy to be a basketball ref by any means, but I imagine it's harder to be a football ref, and the NFL gets calls right more often than not. Even in the NHL, where the game is much faster paced, the reffing is better than in the NBA.

Fix that, and you'll get your league back, Mr. Stern.
 
2012-05-14 11:44:07 AM
The NBA needs to stop Scola from grabbing guys like Gortat and throwing them into the shooter or falling down to draw the foul.
 
2012-05-14 11:51:28 AM
Chandler setting the pick on Lebron and Lebron acting like he took a shotgun blast was classic.
 
2012-05-14 11:53:24 AM
The problem is basketball is for pussies. Have you ever seen a basketball fight? Some of the funniest "punches" ever thrown.
 
2012-05-14 11:53:37 AM
So Stern says he would have fined an owner more who was trying to manipulate the refs in regards to flopping, but then comes out and says something needs to be done about flopping?

Sounds like someone who is ascared of an Indiana/OKC final.
 
2012-05-14 11:55:13 AM
Are NBA players still whining about wearing suits like other professional leagues have been doing for decades?
 
2012-05-14 11:55:21 AM

Marcus Aurelius: View the play after the fact and fine them accordingly. If they do it again, suspend them and make them take anti-flopping therapy. Problem solved.


You mean Viagra?
 
2012-05-14 11:55:57 AM

Malcolm_Sex: The problem is basketball is for pussies. Have you ever seen a basketball fight? Some of the funniest "punches" ever thrown.


Tell that to Rudy Tomjanovich.
 
2012-05-14 11:59:21 AM
I like Wade's little move where he drives and then shoots a fade-away while kicking a leg at the defender. Boom, foul on the defender! He did this yesterday against the Pacers and it appears this isn't unprecedented: Link.

I know the Pacers didn't lose because of the refs yesterday, but the way they call or don't call fouls makes the game difficult to watch for me.
 
2012-05-14 12:01:37 PM

ArkPanda: Marcus Aurelius: View the play after the fact and fine them accordingly. If they do it again, suspend them and make them take anti-flopping therapy. Problem solved.

You mean Viagra?


That's taking low post play to another, horrible level.
 
2012-05-14 12:02:16 PM

homarjr: Reffing in the NBA is the biggest problem the sport has, and I don't think there's any question. The difference in some of the calls they make is ruining the sport as a whole. Missing obvious calls or calling cheap ones have the same affect. You have no idea what's going to happen, and it seems like the refs decide the game more than the players.

What needs to be done is to funnel more money into training these guys. I'm not saying it's easy to be a basketball ref by any means, but I imagine it's harder to be a football ref, and the NFL gets calls right more often than not. Even in the NHL, where the game is much faster paced, the reffing is better than in the NBA.

Fix that, and you'll get your league back, Mr. Stern.


The problem is it's so damaged by now even if they did plug the holes one bad playoff series would get the tinfoil hat sales skyrocketing again. This is the commissioner who let a ref officiate playoff games when he was literally weeks away from being formally charged by the FBI. What you're proposing is very sound, but first and foremost Stern has to go.
 
2012-05-14 12:02:41 PM

rmcooper4: I like Wade's little move where he drives and then shoots a fade-away while kicking a leg at the defender. Boom, foul on the defender! He did this yesterday against the Pacers and it appears this isn't unprecedented: Link.

I know the Pacers didn't lose because of the refs yesterday, but the way they call or don't call fouls makes the game difficult to watch for me.


Felt like the refs lost their mind briefly in the third, tbh.
 
2012-05-14 12:07:35 PM
Dwayne Wade flops so much, he makes Mitt Romney jealous.
 
2012-05-14 12:08:36 PM
Just listened to Van Gundy going off about flopping during the Knicks and Heat series and came across this which is probably the most blatant dive I've ever seen
 
2012-05-14 12:13:11 PM

EyeballKid: Malcolm_Sex: The problem is basketball is for pussies. Have you ever seen a basketball fight? Some of the funniest "punches" ever thrown.

Tell that to Rudy Tomjanovich.


And we're done. Drive safely, everybody.
 
2012-05-14 12:13:12 PM

Malcolm_Sex: The problem is basketball is for pussies. Have you ever seen a basketball fight? Some of the funniest "punches" ever thrown.


Not nearly as bad as baseball "fights"
 
2012-05-14 12:13:50 PM

Malcolm_Sex: Just listened to Van Gundy going off about flopping during the Knicks and Heat series and came across this which is probably the most blatant dive I've ever seen


More blatant, similar play...actually got reviewed and taken from a flagrant 2 to a personal foul during the game
 
2012-05-14 12:15:54 PM

homarjr: Reffing in the NBA is the biggest problem the sport has, and I don't think there's any question.


The basic inequality and inconsistency in NBA officiating is still my biggest gripe with the NBA. You can eliminate all the flopping in the world and you'll still have someone get hacked by four different players on one end go uncalled, only to have on the other end of the floor someone get breathed on and end up at the foul line.
 
2012-05-14 12:19:54 PM
 
2012-05-14 12:20:12 PM
Oh good, more biatching.
 
2012-05-14 12:21:30 PM
That's why I now watch soccer.
 
2012-05-14 12:24:07 PM

IAmRight: Malcolm_Sex: Just listened to Van Gundy going off about flopping during the Knicks and Heat series and came across this which is probably the most blatant dive I've ever seen

More blatant, similar play...actually got reviewed and taken from a flagrant 2 to a personal foul during the game


Is it even more blatant though? They both get lightly touched, delay a second, then collapse in ridiculous fashion. No question the Clippers and Heat are the biggest divers in the league though.
 
2012-05-14 12:27:04 PM

rmcooper4: I like Wade's little move where he drives and then shoots a fade-away while kicking a leg at the defender. Boom, foul on the defender! He did this yesterday against the Pacers and it appears this isn't unprecedented: Link.

I know the Pacers didn't lose because of the refs yesterday, but the way they call or don't call fouls makes the game difficult to watch for me.


Wade's response to that: "I learned it from watching you."

Kicking out one leg after a shot to try to draw contact is commonly known as the Reggie Miller leg kick.
 
2012-05-14 12:28:49 PM

Malcolm_Sex: Is it even more blatant though?


It's more blatant in that Evans saw what was coming and initiated the contact against a smaller player while LeBron just backed into Chandler and was likely actually surprised (since it was really, really, really stupid to have Chandler setting a pick there (not even on the ball, plenty of time left to not set it, Chandler already with three fouls before halftime).

Plus, Evans' title is "enforcer" and 90 percent of his job seems to be to flop. I don't remember any hockey enforcers ever spending their time trying to draw calls. That's for the stars.
 
2012-05-14 12:34:03 PM
Why is flopping such an issue now when people have been winning championships with it for years? No one seems to care that Manu has 4 Oscars for his flops and that Derek Fisher was only a Laker because he could draw offensive fouls at will with his exceptional acting ability
 
2012-05-14 12:34:28 PM

Malcolm_Sex: The problem is basketball is for pussies. Have you ever seen a basketball fight? Some of the funniest "punches" ever thrown.


My favorite example of this was Carmelo Anthony throwing a cheap shot at someone and then backing away puffing out his chest. Real bad ass, buddy.
 
2012-05-14 12:40:13 PM
Defense is basically illegal in basketball now. Anything beyond insulting his mama is a foul. The best teams at defense in the NBA right now are the teams that are best at standing next to the guy who has the ball and hoping he misses. Flopping might the only technique (illegitimate as it is) available to some teams against the drive.
 
2012-05-14 12:46:07 PM

Rev.K: Are NBA players still whining about wearing suits like other professional leagues have been doing for decades?


Like the NFL and MLB?

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/hot
 
2012-05-14 12:47:50 PM

bhcompy: Why is flopping such an issue now when people have been winning championships with it for years? No one seems to care that Manu has 4 Oscars for his flops and that Derek Fisher was only a Laker because he could draw offensive fouls at will with his exceptional acting ability


People did biatch about that.

tortilla burger: Defense is basically illegal in basketball now. Anything beyond insulting his mama is a foul. The best teams at defense in the NBA right now are the teams that are best at standing next to the guy who has the ball and hoping he misses. Flopping might the only technique (illegitimate as it is) available to some teams against the drive.


You are a moron.
 
2012-05-14 12:50:59 PM

tortilla burger: Defense is basically illegal in basketball now. Anything beyond insulting his mama is a foul. The best teams at defense in the NBA right now are the teams that are best at standing next to the guy who has the ball and hoping he misses. Flopping might the only technique (illegitimate as it is) available to some teams against the drive.


And, realistically, this is what is happening to the NFL now, too. Brady gets knocked down and cries to the ref to throw the flag while feigning pain, a receiver has some incidental contact that causes him to drop the ball and he makes the flag throwing motion to everyone that can see, a kicker does a backflip when a player barely touches him, etc
 
2012-05-14 12:53:58 PM

Gunny Highway: People did biatch about that.


People grumble, but it never gets to the point where it dominates the media and league officials weigh in on it. All I've heard this playoffs was how the Clippers are "Flop City" and they need to be stopped at all costs, as if Blake Griffin is a bad person because he'll sell contact even though he's a big, while Fisher and Manu get away with it with some grumbles. The only reason Shaq didn't flop was because it's a pain in the ass to get up when you're 7 feet tall and 380lbs.
 
2012-05-14 01:13:12 PM
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2012-05-14 01:14:31 PM

bhcompy: as if Blake Griffin is a bad person because he'll sell contact even though he's a big,


He'll sell no contact, too. Oh, and people don't mind guards doing it as much, but when you're 270 lbs of muscle and your entire career is based on forcing your way through people to the rim, it's silly when you hit the deck with the slightest of breezes.

/Evans is worse than everyone
 
2012-05-14 01:16:10 PM
BTW, you only notice people hating flopping now because your team actually made the playoffs.
 
2012-05-14 01:17:46 PM
Remove hand-checking rules. Basketball only became flopper friendly once is ceased to be a contact sport.

Also, this whole issue is stupid. If it's good enough for Gordon Bombay, it's good enough for me.
 
2012-05-14 01:18:05 PM
If the players have a problem with flopping, let them settle it on the court with a fist fight, followed by a 5 min benching for the players involved.
 
2012-05-14 01:20:42 PM

bhcompy: Why is flopping such an issue now


Because flopping and over dramatization has long been associated with proper football, which itself has always been considered a sissy sport. Anything conjuring images of Ronaldo thrashing on the turf, clutching his ankle when it was his shoulder that was bumped must immediately be remedied.
 
2012-05-14 02:05:40 PM
Flopping is a tough thing to legislate. Refs cant be responsible, except in extreme situations. But you can fine or suspend players after the game for doing it after watching significant replays. He can do something, but probably not as much as you people want.
 
2012-05-14 02:10:26 PM

IAmRight: bhcompy: as if Blake Griffin is a bad person because he'll sell contact even though he's a big,

He'll sell no contact, too. Oh, and people don't mind guards doing it as much, but when you're 270 lbs of muscle and your entire career is based on forcing your way through people to the rim, it's silly when you hit the deck with the slightest of breezes.

/Evans is worse than everyone


And Griffin gets tons of offensive fouls and tons of defensive foul non-calls because of his play style and size, just like Shaq used to and other physical bigs get. The fact that he's basically asking for equal treatment shouldn't be denied because of genetics.
 
2012-05-14 02:19:26 PM

vinnydoz007: Flopping is a tough thing to legislate. Refs cant be responsible, except in extreme situations. But you can fine or suspend players after the game for doing it after watching significant replays. He can do something, but probably not as much as you people want.


They could slap shock stickers on each player. If they fall to the ground but haven't sustained at least 50 g's of force, then call them for flopping.
 
2012-05-14 02:49:57 PM
All is fair in professional wrestling.
 
2012-05-14 03:35:23 PM

homarjr: Reffing in the NBA is the biggest problem the sport has had since the early 90's


FTFY

/Get off my lawn
//Used to go to around 40 NBA games a year
///Now don't even follow it
 
2012-05-14 03:56:06 PM
the only thing worse than flopping in the NBA is people who incessantly whine about it. "Huurrrrr durrrrr David Stern! Duuhhhhh College ball is teh better! Hurrrrrrrr Crooked Refs! Durrrrrrrr it's all rigged!"

It's farking asinine. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Pretty simple. Conspiracy theories and crackpot rational really have no place in sports. I suggest you all go back to infowars.
 
2012-05-14 04:17:22 PM
A flop?

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