Salt Lick Steady: Werepig: advres: Werepig: advres: vegans are farking stupid.

Yet you eat meat and that's the smartest comment you could come up with. Hardly what I would call a win for the meat eaters.

See, you even had to tell the world of fark in your profile you are vegetarian. Color me surprised. That is why your ilk is farking stupid. We don't give a shiat what you eat and yet you all have to tell everyone your choice every chance you can. Do you see lactards like myself posting that we can't eat dairy without having a toilet nearby? No, because no one cares. But veggies/vegas are ohh so proud they don't eat meat. Good for you. Great. you're still a farking idiot.

The reason I even created a profile is because I would get accused of trolling in threads exactly like this one. So I put it there not because I give a shait if anybody knows I'm a vegetarian but so they would know I'm not trolling. Unlike you who is perfectly comfortable labeling people as stupid simply based on choice of diet. I will give you credit on one thing, you got the Masshole part correct.

Nobody would accuse you of trolling just for posting about your vegetarian ways. They may disagree with you, but they wouldn't call you a troll. So BS on that one.

The hell they don't. If they didn't I never would have put up a profile.

And nobody is labeling you stupid based on choice of diet. Most of us are labeling you stupid because you are demonstrably stupid, and not just because of the substance of your posts. You're simply stupid. Dense. Dumb. Hard-headed. Unable to recognize satire v. insult.

Dumb.

I'm really, really sorry I missed your clever witty satire. Judging by the way you've reacted since it must have really hurt your feelings I didn't get the joke. I'm sure at another time it would have been a wonderfully funny post. But when 4 posts in advres starts off out of the blue labeling people as stupid and I reply to that and in the next post you're calling me a lettuce munching sicktoid maybe I wasn't looking to see how clever you were trying to be and took it as an insult. So bite me. Doesn't make me stupid, dumb or any of other insults you feel like hurling my way.

BHK: moops: testaclese: And in my case, I once-in-a-while have some sushi, or some butter on toast if there's nothing else around - and it's amazing (and just as annoying as the hard-core vegans going off on you about eating meat) how many omnivores will nearly spit with anger and say, "See?! You're not a Vegan!" like I've broken the law. No, you farkwit, but I otherwise eat much healthier, and I don't eat sweets and desserts - so a spicy tuna roll every few weeks is my Ben & Jerry's, okay?

Yeah, some of my omnivore friends love to do this. Once I ate a Cliff bar and had to endure "the label says it was manufactured in a setting where dairy products are used!" I responded with my best Tommy Lee Jones palmless facepalm of disapproval.

I hear the sardonic remarks about my diet when we're eating out. While the'ye scarfing down a 1500 calorie omelette and telling me how awful my life must be because I'm vegan, I'm enjoying my oatmeal and hash browns, knowing I won't ever have to share diabetes/bypass experiences with them.

A 1500 calorie omelette can be far healthier for you than the grains & starch meal you are sucking down. Human beings evolved on meat and things they could pull out of the ground. Oatmeal is toxic unless properly processed. The potato is fine, but your hashbrowns are probably fried in inflammation-causing, heavily processed canola oil and loaded with salt. Give me the omelette made with organic ingredients and fried in butter over your colon wrecking, heart-valve inflaming grain bomb any day.

The nonsense of a 1500 calorie omelet being served in a place that caters to vegans aside, it's not even the diet that's stupid. I don't care about people who choose to not eat meat for reasons of diet or taste. I do not know many vegetarians but they make it absolutely clear they have nothing to do with vegans, do not like vegans, and think they're just as farking crazy as I do.

They do not like them because they co-opt the dietary decisions with a word usually reserved for crazy ideological assholes that abstain from using any materials derived from animal products as an ethos. The issue there is that you cannot farking exist on this planet as a human and abstain from using materials derived from animal products - and if you are here on this thread to contest that, then you are using materials derived from animal products to do so. It is hypothetically possible to abstain from using materials derived from animal products but by and large, generally when people find themselves in that position are not there by choice and would probably kill you for a hamburger.

That aside, anyone who tries any diet is going to be healthier in some capacity than someone who just eats what the fark ever. Atkins, Vegan, if you're paying attention to what you eat then you're a step ahead of people who don't. That doesn't make your diet healthy, it makes it healthier than, well, farking unhealthy. Pretty damned low bar to shoot for but whatever.

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Its pretty sad how far into the thread it took to get to a Scott Pilgrim reference.

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jst3p: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: Some people don't want animals to die so they can eat. There's nothing wrong with that

Except that it's entirely and utterly impossible.

Fine. Change it to "some people want fewer animals to die".

That seems pretty arbitrary though. How many is acceptable?

There's nothing wrong with trying to minimize your impact on animals and on the biosphere in general. What's the alternative, just say "fark it" and kill every animal you see, because that's the only rational reaction to the fact that you can't completely avoid using animal products in your daily life?

For the record, I eat meat (daily, pretty much) but I don't like the idea that an animal has to die to provide me with steak. So far I haven't actually don't anything about it and I probably never will.

WhippingBoy: Jument: jst3p: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: Some people don't want animals to die so they can eat. There's nothing wrong with that

Except that it's entirely and utterly impossible.

Fine. Change it to "some people want fewer animals to die".

That seems pretty arbitrary though. How many is acceptable?

There's nothing wrong with trying to minimize your impact on animals and on the biosphere in general. What's the alternative, just say "fark it" and kill every animal you see, because that's the only rational reaction to the fact that you can't completely avoid using animal products in your daily life?

For the record, I eat meat (daily, pretty much) but I don't like the idea that an animal has to die to provide me with steak. So far I haven't actually don't anything about it and I probably never will.

An animal (or animals) have to die to provide you with vegan blueberries, too. Why is steak worse?

What animals died for my vegan blueberry? And what is a vegan blueberry in the first place? :)

Nightsweat: WhippingBoy: The funny thing is, vegans may actually be responsible for more animal deaths than "carnivores": Link

In any case, it's not nearly as black and while as your 23 year old niece would have you believe...

So you backup the idea that VEGANS may be responsible for more animal deaths with a link about EGG consumption.

I think you should look up that word "vegan". It clearly doesn't mean what you think it does. Hint - it's not the same as "vegetarian".

I think the joke goes....Vegan is Native American for "bad hunter".

WhippingBoy: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: jst3p: Jument: WhippingBoy: Jument: Some people don't want animals to die so they can eat. There's nothing wrong with that

Except that it's entirely and utterly impossible.

Fine. Change it to "some people want fewer animals to die".

That seems pretty arbitrary though. How many is acceptable?

There's nothing wrong with trying to minimize your impact on animals and on the biosphere in general. What's the alternative, just say "fark it" and kill every animal you see, because that's the only rational reaction to the fact that you can't completely avoid using animal products in your daily life?

For the record, I eat meat (daily, pretty much) but I don't like the idea that an animal has to die to provide me with steak. So far I haven't actually don't anything about it and I probably never will.

An animal (or animals) have to die to provide you with vegan blueberries, too. Why is steak worse?

What animals died for my vegan blueberry? And what is a vegan blueberry in the first place? :)

The animals that lived in the blueberry patch when the plow came and carved them into mincemeat. The ones that were killed to protect the crop. You know, the hidden, non-obvious, easy to ignore deaths.

You're going to have to specify low bush vs high bush blueberries, as the harvesting method varies for both.

Low bush

High bush

And then there are the manual methods

BHK: Oatmeal is toxic unless properly processed.

Citation Needed

I like to ask vegans if they have ever thought about where the fertilizer manure for their organic vegetables comes from, cuz well, plants need food too otherwise they don't grow.

/Meat farming: making vegetable gardens flourish since prehistory

Cymbal: This text is now purple: Cymbal: Yeah but when's the last time you heard of a seal, wolf, or lion clear a rain forest the size of Texas just because he prefers meat.

Wolves for one regularly boom and bust as a function of their game levels. the Isle Royale population fluctuates somewhat predictably with the island's moose population.

I'm sorry but how does that refute what I said? Wolves don't burn the forest down when they all die off.

Humans cut and burn down forests for both livestock grazing and farming. What the main problem is in South America is that the soil is nutritionally poor for the most part, especially in the rain forests, and the farmers/ranchers don't bother with trying to enrich the soil in any way, they just clear another area when they're done with the current one. So being carnivorous, omnivorous, vegetarian or vegan is destroying the rain forests.

The only solution is to just stop eating altogether.

Eating meat expanded the brain and mind's capacity to think and to assemble itself...

Go omnivores!

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Trayal: I like to ask vegans if they have ever thought about where the fertilizer manure for their organic vegetables comes from, cuz well, plants need food too otherwise they don't grow.

/Meat farming: making vegetable gardens flourish since prehistory

Funny you should mention that.

They make vegan fertilizers. Link

And depending on how vegan you are, some people use vermiculture(worms), or even compost human waste for fertilizer. "Humanure" as it is dubbed is not something I would recommend without an extremely long curing period, and even then, I would still not use it on edible plants.

HailRobonia: chiefsfaninkc: Canine teeth how do they work.

I'm an omnivore myself, but the "canine teeth = eating meat" is not the best argument. Our dear friends Gorilla gorilla are vegetarians/insectovores, yet they have huge fangs.

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Gorillas use their canines for defensive weapons, the males especially. Female gorillas have much smaller canines.

Salt Lick Steady: richard_1963: The girlfriend of an old friend of mine was a vegan. Something that she did that was incredibly cruel and appalling was force her pet cat to go vegan. Unfortunately, unlike us, cats are strictly carnivores and their digestive tract is not suited to vegetable matter.

Tell that to my cat, who likes to eat my corn leaves. And other types of grass in general.

/not entirely 'strict' carnivores, but yeah
//mostly

Cats eat grass to help them barf. They'll also chew on things that smell interesting, but they get diddly in the way of nutrients.

meat0918: Trayal: I like to ask vegans if they have ever thought about where the fertilizer manure for their organic vegetables comes from, cuz well, plants need food too otherwise they don't grow.

/Meat farming: making vegetable gardens flourish since prehistory

Funny you should mention that.

They make vegan fertilizers. Link

And depending on how vegan you are, some people use vermiculture(worms), or even compost human waste for fertilizer. "Humanure" as it is dubbed is not something I would recommend without an extremely long curing period, and even then, I would still not use it on edible plants.

Asking for epigenetic trouble, if you ask me...

Book one...

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Indubitably: meat0918: Trayal: I like to ask vegans if they have ever thought about where the fertilizer manure for their organic vegetables comes from, cuz well, plants need food too otherwise they don't grow.

/Meat farming: making vegetable gardens flourish since prehistory

Funny you should mention that.

They make vegan fertilizers. Link

And depending on how vegan you are, some people use vermiculture(worms), or even compost human waste for fertilizer. "Humanure" as it is dubbed is not something I would recommend without an extremely long curing period, and even then, I would still not use it on edible plants.

Asking for epigenetic trouble, if you ask me...

Book one...

;)

Epigenetic Trouble (trademark, copyright, restricted, mine, mtf btfo, timestamp).

Indubitably: Indubitably: meat0918: Trayal: I like to ask vegans if they have ever thought about where the fertilizer manure for their organic vegetables comes from, cuz well, plants need food too otherwise they don't grow.

/Meat farming: making vegetable gardens flourish since prehistory

Funny you should mention that.

They make vegan fertilizers. Link

And depending on how vegan you are, some people use vermiculture(worms), or even compost human waste for fertilizer. "Humanure" as it is dubbed is not something I would recommend without an extremely long curing period, and even then, I would still not use it on edible plants.

Asking for epigenetic trouble, if you ask me...

Book one...

;)

Epigenetic Trouble (trademark, copyright, restricted, mine, mtf btfo, timestamp).

Shopping rtf now too, btw...

Heh.

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meat0918: Eating less meat is actually fine with me. The American fascination with having 2-4 servings of beef (assuming a recommended dailyserving of 6 ounces and the typical offering of a 12+ oz steak, or some of the larger double burgers fast food joints offer) in one meal is actually pretty ridiculous.

Seconded.

I've mostly reduced my red meat ( pork or beef) consumption to once a week, and I find that buying quality makes all the difference.

/ Painted Hills Natural Beef is awesome
// during the workweek, a vegan might mistake me as one of them, because I'm eating many of the same things they are....

ph0rk: Werepig: ph0rk: Werepig:
Good link. Everybody should read it, especially page 2. But back to the point you're trying to make about small critters getting run over by tractors. It's unavoidable. What do you want me to say? Some animals died to bring me my vegetables so you can say "Ah ha! See you kill animals too?" My goal is to minimize my impact. The fact a field mouse was ground up into my pasta wheat doesn't change that goal.

Do you ever plan on children? If so, then bullshiat to the bolded point.

You know how I know you haven't read my profile

I don't read anyone's profile.

Reading profiles is Mickey Mouse!

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: wildstarr: We have sharp pointy teeth for a reason.

Because you filed them down to look like an island cannibal? Seriously, if your teeth are sharp and pointy, you probably have serious tooth decay.

Or maybe you have under developed canines. Not all of us do. I have a very nice set of cavity free natural fangs, thank you very much. I also know what they are for.

Still, I eat a balanced diet of vegetables (corn,beans,lettuce, spinach, cabbage, potatoes, broccoli, Et Cetera) and meat (Fish, pork, beef, venison, rabbit, turkey, chicken, snake, raccoon on occasion, goat, and lamb) and I have better health than many people I work with and know. The key is to remember to eat all things in moderation.

It may surprise you to learn that many wild animals hailed as vegetarians are in fact opportunistic omnivores. Squirrels regularly raid bird nests and eat eggs and chicks, I have observed deer eating baby turkeys in the wild, and they will tear into a snake just as quickly.
Bottom line, eat... or be eaten. It's how we (and many other creatures) function. Get over it.