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2012-05-14 09:58:23 AM  
If it offends you don't buy it.
 
2012-05-14 10:04:06 AM  
Mmmm! My steak for lunch was AWESOME!
 
2012-05-14 10:13:59 AM  
After all, she points out: Fast food companies don't think your kids are too young to be marketed to.

Taken alone, that's a good point.
 
2012-05-14 10:25:20 AM  
vegans are farking stupid.
 
2012-05-14 10:25:41 AM  

AbbeySomeone: If it offends you don't buy it.


But how else will I know if I'm offended? See, I don't know if I'm truly offended by it until I read it. Once I read it, though, I have an absolute right to formulate my own opinion. If that opinion involves being offended by what I've just read, I have the secondary right -- nay, the responsibility -- to do as much as I can to make sure that nobody else reads it. This serves two greater purposes: 1) It spares good people who think like I do the offense that I have suffered. In this way, I martyr myself so that others may lead better, less troubled lives. 2) It prevents bad people who disagree with me and enjoy reading offensive material from spreading their vile message any further. And just like that, I have improve the world.
 
2012-05-14 10:28:57 AM  
"So many vegetarian and vegan parents embark on this journey with the misconception that kids have the same nutritional needs as adults,"

This, I believe, is the catch. As long as your kids are receiving proper nutrition, then do it however you want. Just make sure that you understand what "proper nutrition" is for your kids.

Giving them a propaganda book to instill a political motive to their diet? That's just unnecessary.
 
2012-05-14 10:29:59 AM  
I disagree with many of the fundamental reasons lots of people go vegan, but it is frankly true that eating meat as it is currently grown and processed is supporting one of the most ecologically damaging systems around. As such, I have no problem whatsoever with this book.
 
2012-05-14 10:47:15 AM  

Donnchadha: Giving them a propaganda book to instill a political motive to their diet?


You should see some of the crap my sons bring home from school. They make their own informed choices in the end. Except for diet LOL. I was talking to a mother from school the other day about meals. She said she makes three different things each time - something for her, and two others for her girls. So I ask, why don't you make one thing and that's it? Turns out she'd rather not fight about dinner with a preschooler and a second grader. I said there is no fight. That's dinner, it's healthy, and you need it. If you don't want it, I'll put it in the fridge and you can eat it when you're hungry. But there isn't anything else prepared so that's that. She was also surprised that not only do they eat all vegetables from asparagus to zucchini, but that we sit down at the table together every night. I wouldn't suggest I am a better person than she, but I do know her kids eat junk every day. Not to mention the discipline issues that come along with that practice.
 
2012-05-14 10:52:45 AM  
If you attach any sort of meaning to your diet, other than "it is nutritious, and I like it" you're a damned moron.
 
2012-05-14 10:53:51 AM  
I'll also add that there are two things we do that get kids to eat healthy food: 1 Name the dish after them or their pet or whatever that sparks interest and B Get them in the kitchen as soon as possible, even if all they can do is stir something or rinse vegetables. There shouldn't be a salt shaker on the table either.

/off soapbox
 
2012-05-14 11:06:22 AM  

OregonVet: Turns out she'd rather not fight about dinner with a preschooler and a second grader.


First mistake. And it's not a fight. It's a choice. Eat what's given or don't.
 
2012-05-14 11:08:08 AM  
Silly Vegans. Eating things like Chicken Parmesan and Gelato won't destroy the world. It will just result in deveganization.
 
2012-05-14 11:10:23 AM  

advres: vegans are farking stupid.


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Keep being AWESOME!
 
2012-05-14 11:20:08 AM  

AbbeySomeone: If it offends you don't buy it.


are you talking about the stupid book or meat?
 
2012-05-14 11:26:15 AM  
img198.imageshack.us

Almost as awesome as a Chick.
 
2012-05-14 11:46:43 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [img198.imageshack.us image 291x450]

Almost as awesome as a Chick.


That's horrible.

I had a girlfriend who went vegan but still cooked meat for me. That was awesome. Had another who went vegan, joined PETA, stopped wearing leather, started protesting and harping on me. Needless to say, that was the end of that relationship.
 
2012-05-14 12:00:08 PM  

OregonVet: Donnchadha: Giving them a propaganda book to instill a political motive to their diet?

You should see some of the crap my sons bring home from school. They make their own informed choices in the end. Except for diet LOL. I was talking to a mother from school the other day about meals. She said she makes three different things each time - something for her, and two others for her girls. So I ask, why don't you make one thing and that's it? Turns out she'd rather not fight about dinner with a preschooler and a second grader. I said there is no fight. That's dinner, it's healthy, and you need it. If you don't want it, I'll put it in the fridge and you can eat it when you're hungry. But there isn't anything else prepared so that's that. She was also surprised that not only do they eat all vegetables from asparagus to zucchini, but that we sit down at the table together every night. I wouldn't suggest I am a better person than she, but I do know her kids eat junk every day. Not to mention the discipline issues that come along with that practice.


I remember when I was a little girl, my mom had a friend who did the same thing with her kids. We went over there for lunch, and she had made pasta with this sickeningly sweet red sauce. Her kids hated it, so they got to eat mac and cheese. I had to choke down the nasty noodles. Made me wonder what was so goddamn difficult about making pasta sauce that this woman could screw it up so badly.

/oh, and enjoy starving your kids, stupid vegans
 
2012-05-14 12:12:40 PM  

advres: vegans are farking stupid.


I went vegan for 2 months as my New Year's Resolution this year. Lost 15lbs but damn was it a huge hassle. And I didn't feel any healthier. Granted, I don't eat a lot of crap as it is and cook relatively nutritious meals that are heavy on chicken & fish (I really don't like the taste or consistency of red meat). Vegan is difficult, insanely expensive, and laborious. It's amazing how much work vegans will put into turning non-meat products into something that tastes like meat. Want a burger? Fine--that'll be 15 ingredients and about an hour worth of work.

And don't get me started on how preachy they can be! I'd whine about having to go to 3 stores to find umeboshi paste to make feta "cheese" and one would overhear & start lecturing me on the inhumane treatment of dairy cows and the damage to the environment. Or biatch to me about wearing a leather jacket while shopping for tofu and soy milk. But what they neglect to tell you is that the vast majority of them need to take vitamins regularly, mostly calcium, iron & B12. Humans have evolved as omnivores, not vegetarians or vegans. A long-term vegan diet can be dangerous.
 
2012-05-14 12:22:55 PM  
Speaking purely as a single individual who has in all likelihood simply had some bad experiences, I can say a few things about the vegetarian/vegan crowd:

1: They can't cook for shiat. No, really. It's like many of them realized that they were such bad cooks that they couldn't bear to waste the meat they were burning/boiling/doing other awful things to.

2: A lot of them decided they didn't like the taste of meat (which is a reasonable choice) but then decided to go all koo-koo for carob quinoa puffs and almond milk. WTF, people? Vegetarianism does not have to equal "adopting the wackiest new fad diet out there in Veggie Fortean Times Magazine".

3: A whole lot of vegetarians (who will tell you all day about the lies of the meat industry) are completely comfortable with using a dozen "food supplements", homeopathics, etc. per day, and give them to their kids. The irony seems a bit lost on them. I blame vitamin deficiencies.

4: The only people that I have ever known who take their toddlers to chiropractors are vegetarians/vegans. This should be prima facie evidence of child abuse right here.

5: Finally, just in general, the veg community is profoundly susceptible to conspiracy theorizing. I can't figure out where the logic goes here. It may be one of those general counterculture "the rest of the world doesn't see the truth of meat like we do...I wonder what ELSE The Man is keeping from us...?" things.

I don't have a problem with vegetarianism/veganism. I do have a problem with the vast majority of vegetarians/vegans. And weirdly, it's the same exact problem I have with religious folk. Pushy proselytizing and the thinly-veiled contempt for me as an outsider.
 
2012-05-14 12:41:29 PM  
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Not that anyone cares, but I consider myself an "anti-apexivore", which means I won't eat anything that could (under normal circumstances) eat me. That way, should I encounter, say, a lion or orca walking in a park, we can just nod respectfully at each other and continue on our way.

Sure, I could be missing out on tasty bear burgers or great white steaks, but it's a life choice I'm happy with.
 
2012-05-14 12:43:34 PM  

dahmers love zombie: 1: They can't cook for shiat. No, really. It's like many of them realized that they were such bad cooks that they couldn't bear to waste the meat they were burning/boiling/doing other awful things to.


From my experience, I'd say your other 4 points were spot-on. This one, however, is the only I'd disagree with. Since I don't like red meat, I've learned a lot of vegetarian cooking. The vast majority of vegetarian/vegan recipes I've encountered are REALLY good and extremely flavorful. It sometimes amazes me that they can concoct the weirdest assortment of ingredients and end up with something that tastes so good. One of the reasons I enjoy vegetarian/vegan meals is because of the flavor. I have some killer vegan recipes that I still make (vegan burgers, vegan gyros, vegan sheperd's pie, the aforementioned "feta" cheese). A lot of Ethiopian and Indian cooking is vegetarian and will blow you away. I think you just ran into bad cooks in general.
 
2012-05-14 12:56:35 PM  

rikdanger: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 320x400]

Not that anyone cares, but I consider myself an "anti-apexivore", which means I won't eat anything that could (under normal circumstances) eat me. That way, should I encounter, say, a lion or orca walking in a park, we can just nod respectfully at each other and continue on our way.

Sure, I could be missing out on tasty bear burgers or great white steaks, but it's a life choice I'm happy with.


You're missing out on the joys or boar meat and bear jerky.

...and orca fin soup.

/i keed about that last one
//the fluke is much tastier
 
2012-05-14 12:57:26 PM  
OK, OK, you don't like Obama eating dogs. We get it.
 
2012-05-14 12:59:51 PM  

rikdanger: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 320x400]

Not that anyone cares, but I consider myself an "anti-apexivore", which means I won't eat anything that could (under normal circumstances) eat me. That way, should I encounter, say, a lion or orca walking in a park, we can just nod respectfully at each other and continue on our way.

Sure, I could be missing out on tasty bear burgers or great white steaks, but it's a life choice I'm happy with.


It's like this

Plants
According to the cycle, you're not supposed to eat other Carnivores/Ommivores. (Maybe that's why judeoislamists reject pork)
 
2012-05-14 01:00:14 PM  

OregonVet: But there isn't anything else prepared so that's that. She was also surprised that not only do they eat all vegetables from asparagus to zucchini, but that we sit down at the table together every night. I wouldn't suggest I am a better person than she, but I do know her kids eat junk every day. Not to mention the discipline issues that come along with that practice.


Asparagus is one of those foods that's amazingly sensitive to whether or not it's prepared correctly. If not, it's nigh-inedible slime. It's possible her kids just have functioning taste buds, and that she simply cannot cook. I've come around on a lot of foods once I had them prepared correctly, as opposed to in the northern European manner (boiled until dead).
 
2012-05-14 01:00:16 PM  
The funny thing is, vegans may actually be responsible for more animal deaths than "carnivores": Link

In any case, it's not nearly as black and while as your 23 year old niece would have you believe...
 
2012-05-14 01:00:36 PM  
On FOX News, child psychologist Dr. Robert Epstein called the book "the most disturbing children's book I've ever seen."

Of course he did... I don't know about this book personally, but I can bet you that he's seen more disturbing children's books, they just have to ratchet up the fear to 11 if they want to even justify having someone on to talk about a subject, any subject. No such thing as so-so on the "Fair and Balanced" network, it's only worth covering a story if they can find guests to shiat their pants on camera in fear.
 
2012-05-14 01:00:52 PM  
The tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and a vegan that keeps their opinions themselves walk into a bar....
 
2012-05-14 01:00:56 PM  

Diogenes: After all, she points out: Fast food companies don't think your kids are too young to be marketed to.


Apparently, neither do vegans.
 
2012-05-14 01:01:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: rikdanger: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 320x400]

Not that anyone cares, but I consider myself an "anti-apexivore", which means I won't eat anything that could (under normal circumstances) eat me. That way, should I encounter, say, a lion or orca walking in a park, we can just nod respectfully at each other and continue on our way.

Sure, I could be missing out on tasty bear burgers or great white steaks, but it's a life choice I'm happy with.

You're missing out on the joys or boar meat and bear jerky.

...and orca fin soup.

/i keed about that last one
//the fluke is much tastier


I draw the line on animals that scientist have evidence that it may have self-awareness (like chimps and dolphins and other animals that recognize their own image in a mirror). I wouldn't like my food to be aware that its food.
 
2012-05-14 01:03:09 PM  


www.juliezickefoose.com
What a beautiful animal doing what is natural !

www.colourbox.com
Aren't wolves amazing?

theboysandeve.files.wordpress.com
Lions should be protected from poachers!


colonywoods.carterhaston.com
What a horrible monster! Meat is murder!
Get him!



/This is actually what Vegans believe
 
2012-05-14 01:03:11 PM  

Aarontology: If you attach any sort of meaning to your diet, other than "it is nutritious, and I like it" you're a damned moron.


Precisely this.
 
2012-05-14 01:03:27 PM  

advres: vegans are farking stupid.


First of all, fark you and your blanket statement. I am vegan partly for health, and partly because it saves me money. It has little to do with politics and I stay away from the types who get all preachy about it.

Second, kids have growing bodies and need a larger range of amino acids than do adults. Because of this, children should have some meat and other animal products in their diet, in moderation. Let them make the choice when they're young adults.

/this book is dumb
 
2012-05-14 01:04:25 PM  
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Ted: The lamb here is supposed to be great.
Nora: I am a vegan. I wish I could tune out that moral voice inside me that says eating animals is murder. But, I guess I'm just not as strong as you are.
Ted: That's 'cause you need protein
 
2012-05-14 01:04:31 PM  

kbronsito: I draw the line on animals that scientist have evidence that it may have self-awareness (like chimps and dolphins and other animals that recognize their own image in a mirror). I wouldn't like my food to be aware that its food.


I don't, but then, I don't have any ethical issues with cannibalism, either. So I may be an outlier.
 
2012-05-14 01:04:32 PM  

Noah_Tall: Silly Vegans. Eating things like Chicken Parmesan and Gelato won't destroy the world. It will just result in deveganization.


Those aren't Vegan? That just leaves me one strike left then...
 
2012-05-14 01:04:44 PM  
www.allmystery.de
 
2012-05-14 01:04:56 PM  
for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two!
 
2012-05-14 01:05:55 PM  

Diogenes: After all, she points out: Fast food companies don't think your kids are too young to be marketed to.

Taken alone, that's a good point.


Except they don't market to young kids, they market to parents' lack of parenting skills. Telling your kid NO is not child abuse!!
 
2012-05-14 01:06:02 PM  
My wife is a vegetarian. And I gave up red meat and pork. I will have chicken on occasion at a Thai or Indian restaurant.
With that being said, Vegan-nazis are not going to change the world and improve peoples health by doing the "all or nothing" or "my way or the highway" approach. Getting people to eat less meat/dairy and choose non factory farm sources would be a great way to start.
If this country even reduced our meat and dairy consumption by 1/4, the positive effects on peoples health and the envioronment would be amazing.

And before anyone jumps on me, I know not all vegans are "vegan-nazis".
 
2012-05-14 01:06:13 PM  

brigid_fitch: dahmers love zombie: 1: They can't cook for shiat. No, really. It's like many of them realized that they were such bad cooks that they couldn't bear to waste the meat they were burning/boiling/doing other awful things to.

From my experience, I'd say your other 4 points were spot-on. This one, however, is the only I'd disagree with. Since I don't like red meat, I've learned a lot of vegetarian cooking. The vast majority of vegetarian/vegan recipes I've encountered are REALLY good and extremely flavorful. It sometimes amazes me that they can concoct the weirdest assortment of ingredients and end up with something that tastes so good. One of the reasons I enjoy vegetarian/vegan meals is because of the flavor. I have some killer vegan recipes that I still make (vegan burgers, vegan gyros, vegan sheperd's pie, the aforementioned "feta" cheese). A lot of Ethiopian and Indian cooking is vegetarian and will blow you away. I think you just ran into bad cooks in general.


I'm totally willing to agree with you on this. There are probably veggie/vegan people who actually understand the food they're cooking and work WITH the flavors rather than attempting to create something that it isn't (Tofurky? Really?). It may be that I've simply run into that part of the Venn diagram that is both "veg" and "can't cook".
 
2012-05-14 01:07:30 PM  

kbronsito: I draw the line on animals that scientist have evidence that it may have self-awareness (like chimps and dolphins and other animals that recognize their own image in a mirror). I wouldn't like my food to be aware that its food.


This seems like a fair line.

But what about breeding them so they WANT to be eaten?

www.american-buddha.com
 
2012-05-14 01:07:39 PM  

stonicus: Except they don't market to young kids, they market to parents' lack of parenting skills. Telling your kid NO is not child abuse!!


Bingo. I could cry my eyes out about getting a farking Happy Meal when I was a kid - that didn't mean I was getting one. I think we probably had fast food once per month, MAYBE.
 
2012-05-14 01:08:47 PM  
I am a Meatatarian, and I belong to PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals.
 
2012-05-14 01:09:42 PM  
On FOX News, child psychologist Dr. Robert Epstein called the book "the most disturbing children's book I've ever seen."

Does someone need a fainting couch? Does the good doctor have the vapors?
 
2012-05-14 01:09:44 PM  
 
2012-05-14 01:09:59 PM  

SpectroBoy: [www.juliezickefoose.com image 640x427]
What a beautiful animal doing what is natural !

[www.colourbox.com image 480x320]
Aren't wolves amazing?

[theboysandeve.files.wordpress.com image 426x282]
Lions should be protected from poachers!


[colonywoods.carterhaston.com image 360x270]
What a horrible monster! Meat is murder!
Get him!

/This is actually what Vegans believe


There are animal activists in Florida who have argued that the entire lower third of Florida should be off limits to humans, and that wildlife officials should put out vegetarian panther food so that the Florida Panthers can eat and won't have to kill deer. I assume they would expect the same thing for the Keys, to protect the Florida Crocodiles. Maybe some sort of Boca-Burger "chicken" parts to feed 'em so that they don't have to do their natural predator thing on wildfowl.
 
2012-05-14 01:10:41 PM  
We have sharp pointy teeth for a reason.
 
2012-05-14 01:10:49 PM  

SpectroBoy: kbronsito: I draw the line on animals that scientist have evidence that it may have self-awareness (like chimps and dolphins and other animals that recognize their own image in a mirror). I wouldn't like my food to be aware that its food.

This seems like a fair line.

But what about breeding them so they WANT to be eaten?

[www.american-buddha.com image 500x375]


My favorite Onion headline: Chickens genetically engineered to lay their own dipping sauce
 
2012-05-14 01:10:51 PM  
What do you call a vegan with diarrhea?

-a salad shooter

but seriously, can vegetarians eat animal crackers?
 
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