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(Telegram)   Dollar store signals the beginning of the end of Vermontiness   (telegram.com) divider line 41
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2012-05-14 10:55:27 AM  
But being overrun by doily-encrusted bed-and-breakfasts was okay.
 
2012-05-14 11:44:18 AM  
I guess Vermonters prefer to get dressed up when they go shopping.
 
2012-05-14 11:49:21 AM  
Vermont has the fourth-lowest unemployment in the USA, despite what TFA says; dollar stores aren't taking off because everyone here is broke. They're doing well because they're small. And little stores that sell cheap lightbulbs aren't gonna destroy the state.
 
2012-05-14 11:57:46 AM  

jayfurr: And little stores that sell cheap lightbulbs aren't gonna destroy the state.


Busybodies who've wrongfully identified that which is evil in this world aren't either. They will make life more expensive and inconvenient than necessary though.
 
2012-05-14 12:47:06 PM  
I really enjoy going to the dollar store(s) to get household items whose quality I couldn't care less about, but seeing the dregs of humanity that are shambling about inside the stores always makes me wonder what the fark I must look like.
 
2012-05-14 01:30:24 PM  
I can't wait for Chris Kimball's "letter from Vermont" about this.
 
2012-05-14 01:33:01 PM  
I've never met one person from Vermont that was a total ass.
 
2012-05-14 01:33:55 PM  
Was not a total ass was what I meant...
 
2012-05-14 01:35:11 PM  

MDGeist: I've never met one person from Vermont that was a total ass.


You wont, that's pretty much their MO.
 
2012-05-14 01:41:55 PM  
Competitive pricing is NOT a Yankee Virtue.
 
2012-05-14 02:07:45 PM  

Sybarite: I guess Vermonters prefer to get dressed up when they go shopping.


Last time I was in Vermont, I was dressed like this:

i49.tinypic.com

I didn't do much shopping, though.
 
2012-05-14 02:17:24 PM  
Rich People Problems...oh heavens, another dollar store that's encroaching on our land!

FFS, if you can't be happy that a business is coming into town to provide jobs, you REALLY need to move out to the country and just eat your crepes by yourself.
 
2012-05-14 02:27:03 PM  
Knows a thing or two about Vermontiness . . .

www.mutualfundobserver.com
 
2012-05-14 02:27:43 PM  
I've read it before, but I still can't believe there is no Target in Vermont. I mean, really guys. You have 4 Wal-Marts but no Targets?
 
2012-05-14 02:28:03 PM  

yoursafewordisharder: Knows a thing or two about Vermontiness . . .

[www.mutualfundobserver.com image 500x300]


The distaffbopper has two brothers named Scott.
 
2012-05-14 02:49:19 PM  

TheSelphie: I've read it before, but I still can't believe there is no Target in Vermont. I mean, really guys. You have 4 Wal-Marts but no Targets?


All this and three dentists...
 
2012-05-14 02:54:54 PM  

TheSelphie: I've read it before, but I still can't believe there is no Target in Vermont. I mean, really guys. You have 4 Wal-Marts but no Targets?


There are plenty of targets in Vermont. I should know, I've hit a few in my day.
 
2012-05-14 03:04:33 PM  
This article makes Vermont sound like one giant HOA.
 
2012-05-14 03:21:11 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: This article makes Vermont sound like one giant HOA.


Excellent observation.

By the way, anyone know how many Starbucks and Subways they have?
 
2012-05-14 03:39:23 PM  
Dollar Stores is ghetto
 
2012-05-14 03:40:45 PM  
any Costcos in Vermont?
 
2012-05-14 04:00:07 PM  

jjorsett: Fish in a Barrel: This article makes Vermont sound like one giant HOA.

Excellent observation.

By the way, anyone know how many Starbucks and Subways they have?


4 Starbucks (all near Burlington)
 
2012-05-14 04:01:59 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: any Costcos in Vermont?


1 Costco in Burlington.
 
2012-05-14 04:04:00 PM  
The thing with this is if it's in the center of town, I can understand the strict zoning rules.

But if it's on the edge of town, I don't think too many people will care about the aesthetics the building.

/Thinks this Vermont town did the right thing by allowing DG to open a store in the center of town under strict zoning rules
 
2012-05-14 04:13:39 PM  

Malivon: Rich People Problems...oh heavens, another dollar store that's encroaching on our land!

FFS, if you can't be happy that a business is coming into town to provide jobs, you REALLY need to move out to the country and just eat your crepes by yourself.


They moved to VT. That is where people go to move out to the country and be alone.
 
2012-05-14 04:19:12 PM  

Malivon: Rich People Problems...oh heavens, another dollar store that's encroaching on our land!

FFS, if you can't be happy that a business is coming into town to provide jobs, you REALLY need to move out to the country and just eat your crepes by yourself.


Vermont's unemployment rate is 4.8%. It's not exactly a serious problem for them.

What can be is out-of-state businesses jumping in and underselling local businesses.

Beside, if what I've ever seen at a Dollar General or Dollar Tree or whatever, there's only one or two people going to be hired anyway - I never see more the one employee in them.
 
2012-05-14 04:50:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: aesthetics


This. Without zoning regulations, chain stores are ugly as sin and get worse with age. Compare the generic McD's building with the McD's in Manchester, VT.
 
2012-05-14 04:59:39 PM  
People can criticize a city or state for banning big box stores, but there is sound reasoning behind it.

A while ago, people were ragging on a similarly hippie area, Berkeley, CA. Berkeley does not foster (and discourages) big box stores. People in neighboring suburbs love to go into various comments sections and excoriate Berkeley for being full of anti-business socialist hippie stoner boomer lefty commies.

Be that as it may, Berkeley's bond ratings are very high (snicker) compared to hundreds of other American cities.

The reasoning is simple. Your city has 1,000 tiny businesses as a tax base. You can invite big box stores and wipe out half of those businesses. Then, when a corporate minion halfway across the country dislikes a number on a spreadsheet, a big box store will close. That can clobber a city budget. Discouraging large stores and encouraging smaller stores is a good way to hedge your bets.

Here's a (admittedly) oldish story describing the City of Berkeley's financial situation: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/22/BAAA18BJQ8 .DTL I disagree with the journalist about "luck and planning". It's entirely planning. Berkeley has a major university with more Nobel Laureates than many countries and those educated people have a say in what goes in in the city.
 
2012-05-14 07:52:45 PM  
fark Vermont. I've been waiting my entire life to say that.

/probably not obscure, but who knows?
 
2012-05-14 08:02:52 PM  
Wait till the check cashing stores and the car title loan stores move in.
 
2012-05-14 09:37:52 PM  
If you'll notice from the article, the "Vermonters" doing all the biatching are transplants from New York and Connecticut. The same doofuses who move in next to a farm and then complain at town meeting about the cow smell and the tractor noise.

We have dollar stores in my town and I didn't see anyone trying to keep them out. We also have a Costco which I go to for certain purchases. And yes, there are Starbucks but who would drink that shiat when Dunkin' Donuts is right down the street.
 
2012-05-14 09:59:48 PM  
75% of the population of vermont lives on dividend income.

Nobody left in that state but a bunch of retired new york busibodies. Most of the natives have all left.

/get your own citation, I'm going to bed.
 
2012-05-14 10:01:20 PM  
It's the economy. How many payday loan places are there?
 
2012-05-14 10:08:14 PM  
Vermont is one of the few places in the USA that Capitalism still exists. Corporatism is not capitalism.

The businessman I know personally and admire the most runs a stamping company there. He invests back into his business instead of his pockets, is still quite successful and treats his employees fairly.
 
2012-05-15 01:35:34 AM  
Never been to Vermont, but I'd have to say I'm torn on this one.
On the one hand, no sprawl.
On the other hand, no way to get that handy little thing you need unless Vern at the general store remembered to order it last week.
 
2012-05-15 01:40:15 AM  
Huck And Molly Ziegler: On the one hand, no sprawl.

Depends where you go. There are small pockets of sprawl here and there.

/Tafts Corners in Williston
//Shelburne Road in South Burlington
 
2012-05-15 03:02:07 AM  

MDGeist: Was not a total ass was what I meant...


Well my beloved GF is an original Vermonter..... she's not an ass but she has a great one.....
 
2012-05-15 06:26:07 AM  

Contents Under Pressure: People can criticize a city or state for banning big box stores, but there is sound reasoning behind it.

A while ago, people were ragging on a similarly hippie area, Berkeley, CA. Berkeley does not foster (and discourages) big box stores. People in neighboring suburbs love to go into various comments sections and excoriate Berkeley for being full of anti-business socialist hippie stoner boomer lefty commies.

Be that as it may, Berkeley's bond ratings are very high (snicker) compared to hundreds of other American cities.

The reasoning is simple. Your city has 1,000 tiny businesses as a tax base. You can invite big box stores and wipe out half of those businesses. Then, when a corporate minion halfway across the country dislikes a number on a spreadsheet, a big box store will close. That can clobber a city budget. Discouraging large stores and encouraging smaller stores is a good way to hedge your bets.

Here's a (admittedly) oldish story describing the City of Berkeley's financial situation: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/22/BAAA18BJQ8 .DTL I disagree with the journalist about "luck and planning". It's entirely planning. Berkeley has a major university with more Nobel Laureates than many countries and those educated people have a say in what goes in in the city.


So what you're saying is that municipalities should give more tax breaks to monolithic multinational companies?
 
2012-05-15 08:52:00 AM  

Contents Under Pressure: People can criticize a city or state for banning big box stores, but there is sound reasoning behind it.


This is insightful. It would also be relevant if we were talking about big box stores.

frostus: South Burlington


They say you can see Vermont from some places in Burlington.
 
2012-05-15 09:30:04 AM  
andyhoffner.com

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2012-05-15 07:27:23 PM  
Babwa Wawa: They say you can see Vermont from some places in Burlington.

It's true. Vermont is just a short drive away from Burlington.
 
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