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(SacBee)   Forty-nine headless and handless bodies found along Mexican highway. Seriously did they have a flatbed to dump all those bodies? How did nobody see this happen?   (sacbee.com) divider line 223
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2012-05-14 01:59:30 PM
Forty-nine headless and handless bodies found along Mexican highway. Seriously did they have a flatbed to dump all those bodies? How did nobody see this happen?

I'm thinkin' probably 40 headless and handless bodies were dumped, and 9 people saw it.
 
2012-05-14 02:02:44 PM
At least it wasn't seven hundred and sixty-one armless, legless corpses in a hangar.

/obscure?
 
2012-05-14 02:03:00 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: Scariest thing is that we have people here in the US who want Open Borders, NAFTA, Free Trade, North American Union, Illegal Alien Amnesty, DREAM Act Amnesty...while Mexico goes further into Third World Shiathole status.

Heck, there are DerpBots who want to give these killers and the families unlimited admittance into the US. I guess we need people who will sever heads...another thing Americans won't do


Of course they do. Just realize your dream of a homogenous white society will never happen no matter how much you and your friends at stormfront wish it would.
 
2012-05-14 02:34:50 PM

dr_blasto: I disagree that there's any hope of sealing the border. Mexico is an ally, a major trade partner and Mexico still has too much to offer Americans. The border will never be sealed.


Where there is no control there will be no law.
Everything that is good can come through the border like it always does. This is about limiting the bad.

My fear: Gutting the cartels of drug revenues will make them to try new business models. Maybe a new contraband or strong arming the locals to take advantage of slave/immigrant labor. They might even attempt to undermine the government or do cross border raids.
In any case, its not likely to be good.

Until the cartels have expended most of their resources, driving all movement to the checkpoint is the best use of newly freed up cash and personnel from the drug war.
It puts more strain on the criminals.
 
2012-05-14 02:44:42 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: LordJiro: I wonder if there's anything America could do about this. Like, say, legalizing something that is often smuggled in from Mexico, that might take away a good deal of the cartels' money, and therefore power.

We are doing something about it. We're supplying them weapons!


dailybail.com
Yeah, but it is a democrat program sending guns over the boarder, so they get a pass from the mainstream media.
 
2012-05-14 02:59:56 PM

way south: dr_blasto: I disagree that there's any hope of sealing the border. Mexico is an ally, a major trade partner and Mexico still has too much to offer Americans. The border will never be sealed.

Where there is no control there will be no law.
Everything that is good can come through the border like it always does. This is about limiting the bad.

My fear: Gutting the cartels of drug revenues will make them to try new business models. Maybe a new contraband or strong arming the locals to take advantage of slave/immigrant labor. They might even attempt to undermine the government or do cross border raids.
In any case, its not likely to be good.

Until the cartels have expended most of their resources, driving all movement to the checkpoint is the best use of newly freed up cash and personnel from the drug war.
It puts more strain on the criminals.


The cartels will move to other stuff for sure: precursor chemicals for whatever isn't legal. Less trackable legal stuff to avoid tax, immigrants, whatever. That will always exist. You could minimize it, sure, but not eliminate it. Build a wall and smugglers will tunnel under it or fly over it. Smugglers always find a way; you'll so significantly reduce profits by legalizing recreational drugs, the current cartels won't have the profit motives to kill, hopefully, and hopefully reduce levels of violence and corruption within Mexico which reduces reasons for illegal immigration.
 
2012-05-14 03:02:47 PM
Start looking in duffle bags
 
2012-05-14 03:08:06 PM

jdmac: DoBeDoBeDo: LordJiro: I wonder if there's anything America could do about this. Like, say, legalizing something that is often smuggled in from Mexico, that might take away a good deal of the cartels' money, and therefore power.

We are doing something about it. We're supplying them weapons!

[dailybail.com image 512x374]
Yeah, but it is a democrat program sending guns over the boarder, so they get a pass from the mainstream media.


The cartels have infiltrated the Mexican military. They source plenty of weapons from there. I doubt there's any measurable impact from FandF. But go ahead and strawman the shiat out of a failed policy from an incompetent organization all you want.
 
2012-05-14 03:32:00 PM

randomjsa: I sorta wonder about this level of violence...

I mean pretend you're enterprising criminal organization that occasionally engages in murder as part of your continued business model.

What does all of this murder actually accomplish for you? I mean I know they must have some kind of twisted criminal logic behind it.


Well... I think it tells your competitors or anyone opposing your "business model" that you don't fark around. How can you not get that message?.
 
2012-05-14 03:45:33 PM

dr_blasto: The cartels have infiltrated the Mexican military. They source plenty of weapons from there. I doubt there's any measurable impact from FandF. But go ahead and strawman the shiat out of a failed policy from an incompetent organization all you want


Am I the only person who didn't think F+F was that bad of an idea? About a thousand years when I was in the Army, I was in a light infantry division that was starting to focus on the idea of counte-insurgancy (25th ID, 1988 or so). It was part of SOP to make an effort to record weapon serial numbers to try to figure out weapon supply lines. The number of guns that F+F put out there was pretty tiny, considering the scale of Mexicos violence problem, and it has been pointed out to many times that guns don't kill people. And in this case it was true: those guns didn't kill anyone, the department of eight guys named Jorge killed some folks.
 
2012-05-14 04:14:14 PM

dr_blasto: jdmac: DoBeDoBeDo: LordJiro: I wonder if there's anything America could do about this. Like, say, legalizing something that is often smuggled in from Mexico, that might take away a good deal of the cartels' money, and therefore power.

We are doing something about it. We're supplying them weapons!

[dailybail.com image 512x374]
Yeah, but it is a democrat program sending guns over the boarder, so they get a pass from the mainstream media.

The cartels have infiltrated the Mexican military. They source plenty of weapons from there. I doubt there's any measurable impact from FandF. But go ahead and strawman the shiat out of a failed policy from an incompetent organization all you want.


keep farking that chicken.

it was a piss poor idea & we as a nation should be ashamed of it. would you really be that passe about it if this had been under W.???

if you say 'yes', i'll have to call you a farking liar.

but i'll also look forward to how you can rationalize even the most insane ideas.
 
2012-05-14 05:04:07 PM

inner ted: dr_blasto: jdmac: DoBeDoBeDo: LordJiro: I wonder if there's anything America could do about this. Like, say, legalizing something that is often smuggled in from Mexico, that might take away a good deal of the cartels' money, and therefore power.

We are doing something about it. We're supplying them weapons!

[dailybail.com image 512x374]
Yeah, but it is a democrat program sending guns over the boarder, so they get a pass from the mainstream media.

The cartels have infiltrated the Mexican military. They source plenty of weapons from there. I doubt there's any measurable impact from FandF. But go ahead and strawman the shiat out of a failed policy from an incompetent organization all you want.

keep farking that chicken.

it was a piss poor idea & we as a nation should be ashamed of it. would you really be that passe about it if this had been under W.???

if you say 'yes', i'll have to call you a farking liar.

but i'll also look forward to how you can rationalize even the most insane ideas.


It was a crap program. However, it has nothing to do with the problem at hand and is completely unrelated. The roughly 2000 semi-automatic weapons lost across the border didn't behead anyone. The caches of heavy machine guns that have been repeatedly found weren't sold by FFLs in the US and using Holder's clusterfark to blame this administration for decades of shiat policy and bad decisions is disingenuous at best. F&F is a completely different issue.

There's enough fault to be found in the continuation of failed drug policies that you don't need to attach your favorite conspiracy du jour.
 
2012-05-14 06:33:02 PM

dr_blasto: inner ted: dr_blasto: jdmac: DoBeDoBeDo: LordJiro: I wonder if there's anything America could do about this. Like, say, legalizing something that is often smuggled in from Mexico, that might take away a good deal of the cartels' money, and therefore power.

We are doing something about it. We're supplying them weapons!

[dailybail.com image 512x374]
Yeah, but it is a democrat program sending guns over the boarder, so they get a pass from the mainstream media.

The cartels have infiltrated the Mexican military. They source plenty of weapons from there. I doubt there's any measurable impact from FandF. But go ahead and strawman the shiat out of a failed policy from an incompetent organization all you want.

keep farking that chicken.

it was a piss poor idea & we as a nation should be ashamed of it. would you really be that passe about it if this had been under W.???

if you say 'yes', i'll have to call you a farking liar.

but i'll also look forward to how you can rationalize even the most insane ideas.

It was a crap program. However, it has nothing to do with the problem at hand and is completely unrelated. The roughly 2000 semi-automatic weapons lost across the border didn't behead anyone. The caches of heavy machine guns that have been repeatedly found weren't sold by FFLs in the US and using Holder's clusterfark to blame this administration for decades of shiat policy and bad decisions is disingenuous at best. F&F is a completely different issue.

There's enough fault to be found in the continuation of failed drug policies that you don't need to attach your favorite conspiracy du jour.


Careful. 'cman' will come in claiming that anyone believing that our government has a profit incentive for its backwards policies on drugs and alcohol is a conspiracy theorist.
 
2012-05-14 08:02:19 PM

fireclown: Am I the only person who didn't think F+F was that bad of an idea?


They had absolutely no means to track the weapons once they entered Mexico. You might think in the grand scheme of things it didn't add too many guns, but there is no reasonable way to not view that as a complete clusterfark (at best).
 
2012-05-14 09:32:18 PM

jso2897: lazyguineapig33: Its almost poetic that we had a bunch of sheriff joe articles the last few days and then this happens.

Well, north or south of the border, when criminals become cops, it 's a bad thing.


He's got a point here.
 
2012-05-14 09:36:13 PM
greyw1980: Holy crap, you heard it here first. The neo-con's have lifted and shifted. Having dragged us into Iraq, next stop Bogota.

It's cute you think I'm a neocon.

I didn't know Atheist, middle class whites who are against war in the middle east, and for - among other things - univeral health care and gay marrage could even be called a neoconservative.

Huh. Learn something new every day.
 
2012-05-14 10:31:56 PM

BronyMedic: greyw1980: Holy crap, you heard it here first. The neo-con's have lifted and shifted. Having dragged us into Iraq, next stop Bogota.

It's cute you think I'm a neocon.

I didn't know Atheist, middle class whites who are against war in the middle east, and for - among other things - univeral health care and gay marrage could even be called a neoconservative.

Huh. Learn something new every day.


You can be called anything. That doesn't necessarily make it true. Of course, it does help that there's some wanton apostrophe abuse.
 
2012-05-14 10:32:13 PM

BronyMedic: wombatsrus: It is easy to fight wars with countries we don't have borders with. The main U.S. casualties are the military, and it is very difficult for them to penetrate our borders (Not impossible, or else 9/11 would not have happened),

However... with Mexico, if you go after them, I believe very likely you'll see retaliations in the U.S. When someone finds 50 or so headless and handless bodies of U.S. citizens in a U.S. town... well, that just cannot be stomached by average U.S. citizen, to whom war is pretty much an abstraction.

No politician in the U.S. is willing to start any sort of policy or action that is likely to result in U.S. civilian casualties on U.S. soil.The cartels are already well infiltrated in the U.S., and they know if any type of major strikes starts happening to them, the best response will be to go after U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. The politicians do not want to take that risk.

Al Queda said the same thing when they planned to use 9 predominantly saudi nationals to bring down the Capital Building, the Pentagon, and the Twin Towers on 9/11 using hijacked aircraft.

11 years later, the most dangerous job on the face of the earth is to be Al Queda #2. And, as OBL proved, it doesn't matter where you run or hide. It doesn't matter for how long you do so. We will find you. And. We. Will. Kill. You.

One thing history has shown about the United States is that a bunch of white and black guys unleashed upon someone of a different culture and/or skin color because of a heinous atrocity commited against American civilians to "teach America a lesson" , typically ends with lots of death and destruction once the US Military gets involved.


The difference, however, is that they struck first. In that case, it is expected we will retaliate.

But, when we decide to strike first... as I said, doing it against a country we don't have a border with is one things. Doing it against a country we do have a border with, which already has many more connections into the U.S. than middle east countries, and thus can much more easier strike at many "little" U.S. targets instead of going for a home run... I don't see any politician who wants to say "I started an action which resulted in U.S. citizen casualties on U.S. soil but it was the right thing to do"... this is not the same as "because we suffered casualties we are going to go after you".
 
2012-05-14 11:23:31 PM

way south: /Most likely because the officials really aren't inept so much as frolicking in drug war sponsored bribes.


They're not all frolicking, but there's an expression down there, "ploma o plata" (lead or silver).

They're gonna get paid one way or another - given the choice, many choose plata.
 
2012-05-15 01:03:03 AM
1. Invent the Brain-Enhancing Ray. The opposite of Goof Gas (TM) seen on Bullwinkle, the Brain-Enhancing Ray will cause peoples' IQs to climb by 50 points or more.

2. Use on American voters so they have a cephalo-anal extraction and pull their heads out. Voters realize that there's no real diff between the Democraptic and Repugnicant branches of the Corporate Party and actually vote for another party for a change.

3. Neo-Marxist Monarchist Labor Party wins election, turns out to be more sane than typical corporate tools, and finally goddam legalizes drugs already.

4. Market for illicit intoxicants takes massive nosedive like it did in 1933. America also legalizes prostitution, so potential alternate avenues of business for dwindling cartels also dry up.

5. Cartels make laughable attempt to enter into extortion, loan-sharking and other crime but, deprived of their huge drug profits, end up shriveling down to being just a minor nuisance.

6. Legals pushers (Squibb, Coors, RJ Reynolds) take massive hit as crappy corporate drugs have to compete against The Herb on an even playing field.

7. World moves a few notches away from world fascism, civil war in Mexico is averted.

8. Profit!!!

/one of my fave cartoon characters is Brain from Pinky & the Brain
//I sympathize with his constant urge to smack some enlightenment into people who have a Vitamin-IQ deficiency
 
2012-05-15 01:31:59 AM
Psycat: 3. Neo-Marxist Monarchist Labor Party wins election, turns out to be more sane than typical corporate tools, and finally goddam legalizes drugs already.

Except that there are certain drugs which cause documented societal harm in terms of long term medical costs society is burdened with, impetus for crime due to an actual physiological addiction to the drug, and the human cost of damage from the drug. Non-medicinal methamphetamine will never be legalized JUST because of these reasons, and even if it weren't an illegal drug, the FDA would never approve it's use as a recreational substance. Aside from pot, this is what the cartels make their major money on today.

Psycat: 5. Cartels make laughable attempt to enter into extortion, loan-sharking and other crime but, deprived of their huge drug profits, end up shriveling down to being just a minor nuisance.

6. Legals pushers (Squibb, Coors, RJ Reynolds) take massive hit as crappy corporate drugs have to compete against The Herb on an even playing field.

7. World moves a few notches away from world fascism, civil war in Mexico is averted.


Except that hurting the cartels like this would be the one thing that WOULD provide an avenue for civil war to start in Mexico. The Sinaloma and Zeta cartels aren't going to give up the power and corruption they wield now in Mexico, and they have an army which rivals that of the Mexican national army, and the ability - in many cases - to go toe to toe with them.

Unfortunately, it's going to take something like that to happen, or a terrorist attack on the United States by one of them, to get action to occur.
 
2012-05-15 03:20:59 AM

Terrydatroll: Just some drug cartel people trying to get ahead in life. Someone should give them a hand.......


or at least some arms
 
2012-05-15 07:37:59 AM

Happy Hours: Terrydatroll: Just some drug cartel people trying to get ahead in life. Someone should give them a hand.......

or at least some arms


OK, how about "Someone should give them a hand by arming them. That would give them a leg up. Stop there though, because if you give them a foot they will take a mile......"
 
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