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2012-05-13 06:28:24 PM
Been there done that
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Well, sorta
 
2012-05-13 06:53:12 PM
Meh
 
2012-05-13 07:21:23 PM
HUGE plot hole. If there is no electricity, how are they filming it? Huh? Huh?
 
2012-05-13 07:23:43 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE plot hole. If there is no electricity, how are they filming it? Huh? Huh?


The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it? How can gunpowder ignite, but they can't make electricity run through a circuit?
 
2012-05-13 07:27:21 PM

DamnYankees: The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it? How can gunpowder ignite, but they can't make electricity run through a circuit?


Well, now you're just nitpicking. :)

They obviously have some kind of pseudo-scientific reasoning why your thought is not a plot hole or why the electrical impulses in the human body still work.
 
2012-05-13 07:31:20 PM
I'm going to take a wild guess and bet like all these high concept shows, they have no clue on how to resolve it and just assume that it'll be canceled before they have to come up with something.
 
2012-05-13 07:34:22 PM
Well, good enough to remember to DVR the pilot.
 
2012-05-13 07:34:55 PM
At least it is a bit different take on a dystopic future (or present,) or a post-apocalyptic world. One thing it already has over "Alcatraz" is some actual sunshine. I'm tired of Canada being passed off as America, when the obvious rainy, visibly cold Great White North is not San Francisco.
 
2012-05-13 07:50:02 PM
Giancarlo Esposito is enough for me to watch the pilot. The fight scenes look like they could be kind of cool. Though the "straight outta Hunger Games" chick and the already overused by the trailer "hey, let's put plants and moss and shiat on notable landmarks" could spell trouble.
 
2012-05-13 08:07:35 PM

Nefarious: Been there done that
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Well, sorta


Yeah, I mentioned the Emberverse series in a previous thread involving Revolution. Although the Emberverse relies a bit much on magic and deus ex machinas, I think, and Stirling has really been laying it on thick in the last few books.
 
2012-05-13 08:09:07 PM
The plot kind of sounds like that show where everyone in the world passed out for 3 minutes, and now there's a big mystery.

I think after Lost's snowjob I seriously don't want to invest in another big mystery show, and if I do I'll just watch it on DVD later. The last one I kind of liked was Rubicon and the plot was way too slow (I get the feeling it was either super low budget or intended to be a soap, the way nothing happened)

I really wish V had been better. I wish they hadn't picked that cast of characters - i seriously wanted the aliens to do everyone a favor and kill that kid. And they drew out the plot way too much. And then it got stupid. And they cut Morena Baccarin's hair, I'll never forgive them for that.

Speaking of post-Firefly actors, I still for the life of me don't understand why Terminator got cancelled, I was really getting into that show.
 
2012-05-13 08:10:39 PM
Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?
 
2012-05-13 08:18:30 PM
My ass is better than Alcatraz and nobody wants to watch it for an hour 24 times a year either.
 
2012-05-13 08:20:07 PM
Is it just the Americas where they lose electricity? I'm thinking Japan and South Korea would still be surfing for tentacle porn and building AI robots.
 
2012-05-13 08:21:21 PM

fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?


No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.
 
2012-05-13 08:22:24 PM

SharkTrager: My ass is better than Alcatraz and nobody wants to watch it for an hour 24 times a year either.


I doubt your ass is better than Sarah Jones' tits and they didn't help either.
 
2012-05-13 08:22:35 PM

bdub77: I think after Lost's snowjob I seriously don't want to invest in another big mystery show,


What's interesting is I recently watched the entire series run of L O S T on NetFlix and it was much better, easier to follow and it all makes sense. I have a much better opinion of it, including the finale, due to the rewatch.
 
2012-05-13 08:24:28 PM
Sick of JJ abrams shows, they're always carried by the cast/characters, everything about the plot is always ridiculous. Fringe has only just now redeemed itself after several fitful starts and stops in story arc, and they needed a soft reset on the show to do it. That said, I'll still watch it because the dearth of sci fi in TV gives me no other options.
 
2012-05-13 08:25:47 PM

fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?


actually...yes. we could. distrubtion systems collapse, local supplies get used up, and product ends up rotting on a dock or warehouse somewhere with nobody to know where that ammo is at or even how to move it.
 
2012-05-13 08:28:34 PM

drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.


Diesel fuel, smokeless powder and mercury primers are probably too energy-dense to work, if they're going the Dies the Fire route. Steam, who knows.
 
2012-05-13 08:30:19 PM

drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.


not really. think about it - how many people in YOUR neighborhood know how to use/maintain firearms? build steam engines? make medicine from local plants? not many i'll bet. And even if you ARE living with die hard bona fide doomsday preppers...once most of your supplies are gone, they aren't coming back.

try this on for size - lore says that every city in the US is just three days away from starvation and food riots. Even if you want to give a bit more wiggle room to that number, how long do you think everyone could go without drugs? everything from aspirin to crystal meth would run out pretty damn quick. you think people are bad when they run outta food, imagine how the local meth heads will get when they run out of their drug of choice.
 
2012-05-13 08:32:29 PM

Farker Soze: drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.

Diesel fuel, smokeless powder and mercury primers are probably too energy-dense to work, if they're going the Dies the Fire route. Steam, who knows.


I think the series (my impression so far anyways) is that the pulse wiped out anything electrical. the shattered supply chain, riots, starvation and disease wiped out the rest.

if the world got slammed by an EMP and took down everything electronic, we'd be back to tallow candles and firelight pretty quick.
 
2012-05-13 08:32:39 PM

Weaver95: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

actually...yes. we could. distrubtion systems collapse, local supplies get used up, and product ends up rotting on a dock or warehouse somewhere with nobody to know where that ammo is at or even how to move it.


Just one Big 5 or a WalMart would yield 10's of thousands of rounds of .22 LR. Hell, I have 15k rounds of .22 in the safe right now. A box of 5,000 is only $170.
 
2012-05-13 08:35:18 PM
I know it's supposed to be junk science, but jeez the premise is really hard to get into, it simply doesn't follow. Ok maybe something big knocked out the power grid in one fell swoop, but there are so many forms of energy that can be harnessed. If living creatures still exist, then electrons still flow. At least some forms of batteries should still work, pure red-ox chemical reactions. Do magnets still work? Like someone mentioned, how about steam?

Yes, it might be fun, and yes we're buying into a suspension of disbelief, but this is a bad way to start out selling your show to me. And I'm someone who bought into the whole moving island and time travel stuff, because at the root it was about the characters.
 
2012-05-13 08:36:15 PM

drewogatory: Just one Big 5 or a WalMart would yield 10's of thousands of rounds of .22 LR. Hell, I have 15k rounds of .22 in the safe right now. A box of 5,000 is only $170.


And that could easily be gone inside of a year. two, if you were cautious. Even reloading expending casings only gets you so far. this is even assuming the walmart wasn't looted by the mob or the ammo confiscated by local authorities (corporate, military, government..take your pick).

if things got desperate, I have no doubt at all local authorities would pull up hard copy information on everyone with an ammo cache and try to round up what they could. doubt me? go read up on what the cops did immediately after Hurricane Katrina.
 
2012-05-13 08:36:38 PM
Hacky hack is hacky.
 
2012-05-13 08:37:57 PM
I found the trailer unrealistic because it claims the Chicago Cubs win the 2012 World Series.
 
2012-05-13 08:40:44 PM

Theseus: I know it's supposed to be junk science, but jeez the premise is really hard to get into, it simply doesn't follow. Ok maybe something big knocked out the power grid in one fell swoop, but there are so many forms of energy that can be harnessed. If living creatures still exist, then electrons still flow. At least some forms of batteries should still work, pure red-ox chemical reactions. Do magnets still work? Like someone mentioned, how about steam?


steam power would be difficult to make work. maybe in limited areas, sure. old steam engines pulled out of storage, refurbished and made to work...it could happen. but seriously - how many people really know how to build/maintain/operate a steam engine? not very many. not to mention that getting coal would be problematic, no more supply chain anymore.

Yes, it might be fun, and yes we're buying into a suspension of disbelief, but this is a bad way to start out selling your show to me. And I'm someone who bought into the whole moving island and time travel stuff, because at the root it was about the characters.

I hated 'dies the fire'. that series offended me for the same reasons Stirling's 'Draka' series offended me - the bad guys got all the breaks. seriously - EVERYTHING went their way, all the time.
 
2012-05-13 08:42:47 PM

drewogatory: SharkTrager: My ass is better than Alcatraz and nobody wants to watch it for an hour 24 times a year either.

I doubt your ass is better than Sarah Jones' tits and they didn't help either.


They didn't show her tits for the full hour or it might have worked.
 
2012-05-13 08:43:16 PM
I know why the airplane crashed while in controlled flight, I don't understand why it just dropped out of the sky in the ultimate flat spin.

Also not sure how electricity stops, batteries get sucked dry, but life continues.

Has Gustavo, so that's a plus.

Looks like another J.J. Adams crapfest, so that's a huge negative.
 
2012-05-13 08:43:16 PM

Weaver95: drewogatory: Just one Big 5 or a WalMart would yield 10's of thousands of rounds of .22 LR. Hell, I have 15k rounds of .22 in the safe right now. A box of 5,000 is only $170.

And that could easily be gone inside of a year. two, if you were cautious. Even reloading expending casings only gets you so far. this is even assuming the walmart wasn't looted by the mob or the ammo confiscated by local authorities (corporate, military, government..take your pick).

if things got desperate, I have no doubt at all local authorities would pull up hard copy information on everyone with an ammo cache and try to round up what they could. doubt me? go read up on what the cops did immediately after Hurricane Katrina.


Good thing they don't keep records on ammo purchases then. 50 years I could see. 15 just isn't enough time for that to happen, unless you're having alot of gunfights.
 
2012-05-13 08:46:22 PM

Weaver95: Farker Soze: drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.

Diesel fuel, smokeless powder and mercury primers are probably too energy-dense to work, if they're going the Dies the Fire route. Steam, who knows.

I think the series (my impression so far anyways) is that the pulse wiped out anything electrical. the shattered supply chain, riots, starvation and disease wiped out the rest.

if the world got slammed by an EMP and took down everything electronic, we'd be back to tallow candles and firelight pretty quick.



I know you know this, but for everyone, an EMP that slams the earth has NO real impact on batteries or sources of electrical energy that are not hooked up, ie not flowing. All those Car batteries sitting on the shelves at Walmart still work after an EMP. Galvanostatic cells can be simply chemicals and metals, I could assemble one with access to a hardware store, and I'm far from genius.

Maybe, if there was an external (extraterrestrial) source that continually hit the Earth with EMPs every so often so that any newly formed electrical circuits would again be fried, that would really be difficult to overcome.
 
2012-05-13 08:46:57 PM
Wait, wouldn't textbooks exist? Couldn't people find out how Edison and Tesla got started and work from there? Things wouldn't be back to normal in even close to 15 years but not everyone would be in the dark ages.

Or am I missing something and electricity just doesn't exist anymore?
 
2012-05-13 08:47:16 PM
I don't care what the crap you all say. I liked Alcatraz. Was sorry to see it go.

/Colloidal silver!
//Its magic
 
2012-05-13 08:47:30 PM

drewogatory: Good thing they don't keep records on ammo purchases then. 50 years I could see. 15 just isn't enough time for that to happen, unless you're having alot of gunfights.


no, but they track gun purchases. A+B=C. this isn't hard to figure out where the ammo is going...

also, not everyone is going to hoard ammo. ok, maybe if Romney gets elected theres going to be a sudden rush to buy up a ton of guns and ammo for the coming revoultion...
 
2012-05-13 08:48:49 PM

Weaver95: Farker Soze: drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.

Diesel fuel, smokeless powder and mercury primers are probably too energy-dense to work, if they're going the Dies the Fire route. Steam, who knows.

I think the series (my impression so far anyways) is that the pulse wiped out anything electrical. the shattered supply chain, riots, starvation and disease wiped out the rest.

if the world got slammed by an EMP and took down everything electronic, we'd be back to tallow candles and firelight pretty quick.


Ok, then they're using gunpowder because it's really easy to make, as opposed to nitrocellulose propellants, and it's still too chaotic to macgyver up steam-tech and non-electric starter diesel. I'd assume that of all people, at least the major head honcho would have access to some real guns and ammo though.
 
2012-05-13 08:51:07 PM

Theseus: I know you know this, but for everyone, an EMP that slams the earth has NO real impact on batteries or sources of electrical energy that are not hooked up, ie not flowing. All those Car batteries sitting on the shelves at Walmart still work after an EMP. Galvanostatic cells can be simply chemicals and metals, I could assemble one with access to a hardware store, and I'm far from genius.


yeah, but that's still a low intensity lifestyle. even the portable solar cells I've got on hand can only crank out so much energy per cycle...and that's assuming a clear day with plenty of sunlight. a lot of the stuff we use on a daily basis is pretty energy intensive. not to mention that if some massive energy frying wave hit the earth, a lot of our electronics would fry in an instant. everything from cell phones to modern cars would just stop working.
 
2012-05-13 08:51:38 PM
Oh, just put Jessuca Alba in the skintight suit already.
 
2012-05-13 08:53:49 PM
It's all the doing of the timermen.
 
2012-05-13 08:54:31 PM

Farker Soze: Ok, then they're using gunpowder because it's really easy to make, as opposed to nitrocellulose propellants, and it's still too chaotic to macgyver up steam-tech and non-electric starter diesel. I'd assume that of all people, at least the major head honcho would have access to some real guns and ammo though.


one would assume so, yes. it's difficult to tell from that trailer so we're going to have to wait and see on that score.

I also suspect that a lot of knowledge and skills would simply be lost in the chaos. oddly enough, historical reenactors would probably do well, at least at first. doomsday preppers might do ok, depending on how they had prepped, where they were when the world fell apart and if they had allies or not.

hmm. libraries would be worth their literal weight in gold.
 
2012-05-13 08:57:22 PM
Hey smart people, I have no real uderstanding of how an EMP works.

Does it travel over the electric grid? Or does it travel like a radio wave and just move over the world until it dissipates?

In other words, would an EMP only takeout things hooked up to a grid or would it take out everything electronic including things like radios on battery power?
 
2012-05-13 08:58:49 PM

Jocundry: In other words, would an EMP only takeout things hooked up to a grid or would it take out everything electronic including things like radios on battery power?


it could take out everything within range and not in a faraday cage...but there's a lot of variables in that scenario.
 
2012-05-13 09:00:09 PM

Theseus: Weaver95: Farker Soze: drewogatory: fusillade762: Flintlocks? Could we really run through all the conventional ammo in the world in 15 years?

No shiat. Black powder and flint works, but no primers or smokeless powder? No diesels? No steam? Stupid beyond belief.

Diesel fuel, smokeless powder and mercury primers are probably too energy-dense to work, if they're going the Dies the Fire route. Steam, who knows.

I think the series (my impression so far anyways) is that the pulse wiped out anything electrical. the shattered supply chain, riots, starvation and disease wiped out the rest.

if the world got slammed by an EMP and took down everything electronic, we'd be back to tallow candles and firelight pretty quick.


I know you know this, but for everyone, an EMP that slams the earth has NO real impact on batteries or sources of electrical energy that are not hooked up, ie not flowing. All those Car batteries sitting on the shelves at Walmart still work after an EMP. Galvanostatic cells can be simply chemicals and metals, I could assemble one with access to a hardware store, and I'm far from genius.

Maybe, if there was an external (extraterrestrial) source that continually hit the Earth with EMPs every so often so that any newly formed electrical circuits would again be fried, that would really be difficult to overcome.


What me read threads?

/thanks
 
2012-05-13 09:00:30 PM

Jocundry: Hey smart people, I have no real uderstanding of how an EMP works.

Does it travel over the electric grid? Or does it travel like a radio wave and just move over the world until it dissipates?

In other words, would an EMP only takeout things hooked up to a grid or would it take out everything electronic including things like radios on battery power?



You never saw GoldenEye?
 
2012-05-13 09:09:03 PM
keep in mind - anything with an electrical circuit could be fried by an EMP. battery power would be fine, at least until it ran out...but unless you've got some sort of renewable power source on hand you're gonna be back to using candles pretty soon.
 
2012-05-13 09:11:11 PM
For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).
 
2012-05-13 09:13:36 PM

Rincewind53: For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).


It really does seem to resemble FlashForward.
 
2012-05-13 09:18:14 PM

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

It really does seem to resemble FlashForward.


As was pointed out in the Boobies, what it really resembles is S.M. Stirling's Emberverse series.

Except for the bizarre scene in the trailer where an airplane literally fell out of the sky, straight down. Look, just because electricity died doesn't mean that suddenly inertia died too.
 
2012-05-13 09:19:15 PM

Rincewind53: For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).


I haven't read much more about the show that what we just saw in that trailer.
 
2012-05-13 09:19:52 PM

Rincewind53: Look, just because electricity died doesn't mean that suddenly inertia died too.


Or does it!?!?!?!?
 
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