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2012-05-13 09:21:01 PM
Weaver95: Rincewind53: For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

I haven't read much more about the show that what we just saw in that trailer.


I mean, neither have I. That's just what I got from the trailer. They don't talk about an EMP and they say that all electricity is gone, even stuff in batteries, and that nothing will work again. Then the end bit implies that it was some sort of conspiracy.
 
2012-05-13 09:21:21 PM
It looks interesting but you can smell the plot a mile away.

The set up is the world's power is gone. Destroyed, drained, whatever, it's gone. Chaos would ensue, mass panic, starvation, war, etc. Surprised that a large city like Chicago would even have any sort of working community. Mysterious guy knows about the power outages and downloads info but is then killed and it is passed on to his daughter who goes to find her uncle.

The daughter goes and gets a band together and goes on a merry adventure to find her brother. Interspaced are hints about what the locket with the information is about. Daughter finds brother but then some secret government organization goes after the locket. These guys would be like the Enclave or Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout. They have actual weapons, armor, and rudimentary power supplies. 2nd season has her merry band try to find the locket while dealing with some big season 1 twist that causes them to distrust each other.
 
2012-05-13 09:21:37 PM
DamnYankees: Rincewind53: Look, just because electricity died doesn't mean that suddenly inertia died too.

Or does it!?!?!?!?


Damn you, Newton's Laws!
 
2012-05-13 09:21:42 PM
Rincewind53: Except for the bizarre scene in the trailer where an airplane literally fell out of the sky, straight down. Look, just because electricity died doesn't mean that suddenly inertia died too.

As I recall, 'Dies the fire' also had a similar crash the day the electricity went out. granted, falling flat out of the sky like that is unlikely but in terms of visually dramatic (as in 'i've got a 2 min trailer and need to grab people by the balls RIGHT NOW), it works just fine.

chill out and just enjoy the story.
 
2012-05-13 09:23:25 PM
Rincewind53: Weaver95: Rincewind53: For everyone here who's talking about an EMP....

The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

I haven't read much more about the show that what we just saw in that trailer.

I mean, neither have I. That's just what I got from the trailer. They don't talk about an EMP and they say that all electricity is gone, even stuff in batteries, and that nothing will work again. Then the end bit implies that it was some sort of conspiracy.


ah, so you DON'T actually know if there's something continually knocking out the power, you just assumed that to be the case...

what I got from the trailer was that power just...stopped. then madness, chaos and survival and 15 years later things are starting to get something approaching stable.
 
2012-05-13 09:24:57 PM
Weaver95: Rincewind53: Except for the bizarre scene in the trailer where an airplane literally fell out of the sky, straight down. Look, just because electricity died doesn't mean that suddenly inertia died too.

As I recall, 'Dies the fire' also had a similar crash the day the electricity went out. granted, falling flat out of the sky like that is unlikely but in terms of visually dramatic (as in 'i've got a 2 min trailer and need to grab people by the balls RIGHT NOW), it works just fine.

chill out and just enjoy the story.


Oh, I know it was just for the special effects, I was just making fun of it because it was amusing. And yeah, if I recall correctly in Dies the Fire he's in a Cessna that has manual controls that allow him to do rudimentary gliding, so he can sorta crash land it with control? I'll have to reread the books, I haven't done that in a while.

I actually prefer the Emberverse books that take place in Nantucket, where they go back in time to 1500 BC, electricity still works, and they establish the Republic of Nantucket and rule the ancient world. That's a more entertaining series, and a shame that he never did more than a trilogy with it.
 
2012-05-13 09:28:08 PM
Rincewind53: The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

Yeah but that couldn't be because that premise would be farking retarded.
 
2012-05-13 09:30:47 PM
Rincewind53: Oh, I know it was just for the special effects, I was just making fun of it because it was amusing. And yeah, if I recall correctly in Dies the Fire he's in a Cessna that has manual controls that allow him to do rudimentary gliding, so he can sorta crash land it with control? I'll have to reread the books, I haven't done that in a while.

there was also an airliner crash as well. that's what got the pagans moving out of the cities and out to the farm valley.

I actually prefer the Emberverse books that take place in Nantucket, where they go back in time to 1500 BC, electricity still works, and they establish the Republic of Nantucket and rule the ancient world. That's a more entertaining series, and a shame that he never did more than a trilogy with it.

Stirling plays favorites. he very clearly protects his pet characters, and it hampers his stories. plus, Stirling needs to sit in on a few SCA shire meetings...his views on the SCA and their organizational talents are...amusing.
 
2012-05-13 09:31:04 PM
Mugato: Rincewind53: The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

Yeah but that couldn't be because that premise would be farking retarded.


'fraid it is, though. The description given on the Wikipedia page is "an unknown phenomenon permanently disabled all advanced technology on the planet, ranging from computers and electronics to car engines and batteries."
 
2012-05-13 09:31:41 PM
Mugato: Rincewind53: The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

Yeah but that couldn't be because that premise would be farking retarded.


I don't think that's what's behind the tech wipe. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
2012-05-13 09:32:44 PM
Rincewind53: 'fraid it is, though. The description given on the Wikipedia page is "an unknown phenomenon permanently disabled all advanced technology on the planet, ranging from computers and electronics to car engines and batteries."

...which is pretty vague and could just mean a massive EMP zapped the world.

even batteries won't last 15 years dude.
 
2012-05-13 09:35:05 PM
Weaver95: Rincewind53: Oh, I know it was just for the special effects, I was just making fun of it because it was amusing. And yeah, if I recall correctly in Dies the Fire he's in a Cessna that has manual controls that allow him to do rudimentary gliding, so he can sorta crash land it with control? I'll have to reread the books, I haven't done that in a while.

there was also an airliner crash as well. that's what got the pagans moving out of the cities and out to the farm valley.

I actually prefer the Emberverse books that take place in Nantucket, where they go back in time to 1500 BC, electricity still works, and they establish the Republic of Nantucket and rule the ancient world. That's a more entertaining series, and a shame that he never did more than a trilogy with it.

Stirling plays favorites. he very clearly protects his pet characters, and it hampers his stories. plus, Stirling needs to sit in on a few SCA shire meetings...his views on the SCA and their organizational talents are...amusing.


Well yeah, my favorite part about that whole SCA connection was thinking "Man, every SCA member I've ever met wouldn't survive more than a day without the internet and a healthy supply of junk food." Admittedly I've only met two of them. I agree about Sterling playing favorites, though. The amount of random coincidences in his books starts getting laughable after a while.

Not as bad as Terry "I've only written one trilogy, just repeated it a half-dozen times" Brooks, or David "Let me introduce a character just so I can show him getting killed by the good guys in loving detail" Weber, or Harry "Everyone is way too willing to listen to reason" Turtledove.
 
2012-05-13 09:36:15 PM
Mugato: Rincewind53: The principle of show is that everything goes down, including all forms of stored electricity outside of (apparently) the biomechanical. It's not an EMP, it's not "Oh, everything went down and we can just start it back up", it's that everything went down and would never come back. Some sort of deus ex machina (because the premise of the show seems to be that there are some people who still have machina and electricity in secret, who know what caused it).

Yeah but that couldn't be because that premise would be farking retarded.


Ah, unless the world as we know it all takes place on a holodeck in a simulation spinning around in a child's snow globe.
 
2012-05-13 09:42:14 PM
This reminds me of a book I read as a kid. Vaguely remember the plot, kind of generic-quest-y, but it ended up with the 'hero' killing the bad guy by altering the guy's favorite chair, so the pipe underneath disemboweled him. Good times. Back to dinner now.
 
2012-05-13 09:45:29 PM
Rincewind53: Well yeah, my favorite part about that whole SCA connection was thinking "Man, every SCA member I've ever met wouldn't survive more than a day without the internet and a healthy supply of junk food." Admittedly I've only met two of them. I agree about Sterling playing favorites, though. The amount of random coincidences in his books starts getting laughable after a while

I was in the SCA for a couple/few years. even did Pennsic more than a couple times. i'm not saying that the SCA can't get organized if/when they want too...but that organization is about as close to 'organized chaos' as you can get. if the world suddenly went tits up and we were back to dark age tech, i'd say that some SCAdian organizations would do better than others, and that the SCAdians in general might survive more often than their less knowledgable neighbors...but that's not saying a whole lot about the organization as a whole. they're just as likely to do something drunk and stupid as they are to make it through a harsh winter with heavy food rationing.
 
2012-05-13 09:50:26 PM
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2012-05-13 09:51:08 PM
You know what's sad about this? I bet JJ doesn't have an answer for why electric stopped or batteries don't work, no ending. If the show gets successful he'll just go on a forum and pick the best idea from us quims.
 
2012-05-13 09:52:52 PM
And while i'm ranting about S.M. Stirling...my god, the Draka stories....

ok, I loved the premise. racists turn themselves into literally genetic supermen and go on to conquer the world. But...c'mon! everything in that universe favored the Draka. every last one of their enemies was stupid, or made a big glaring mistake, or stabbed themselves in the groin before going after the Draka. The Draka immediately discovered HIV and turned it into a super weapon. the Draka always won every battle, everyone they captured and enslaved came to love Big Brother. nothing Draka ever broke down or went wrong anywhere ever. the Draka's enemies were always weak, were always distracted, were never willing to fight.

blah. by the time I got to the end of 'marching through georgia' I was falling asleep.
 
2012-05-13 09:53:48 PM
economicalhaircut: You know what's sad about this? I bet JJ doesn't have an answer for why electric stopped or batteries don't work, no ending. If the show gets successful he'll just go on a forum and pick the best idea from us quims.

I'll bet he's got a plan...and it somehow involves gaius fracking baltar.
 
2012-05-13 10:11:19 PM
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came for this!
 
2012-05-13 10:13:29 PM
I LOVE scifi but I HATE these types of shows where the only thing that keeps you going is the cliffhanger and the "omg whats next" tease that ends every episode.
 
2012-05-13 10:13:58 PM
AdolfOliverPanties: At least it is a bit different take on a dystopic future (or present,) or a post-apocalyptic world. One thing it already has over "Alcatraz" is some actual sunshine. I'm tired of Canada being passed off as America, when the obvious rainy, visibly cold Great White North is not San Francisco.

Smallville's Kansas has some beautiful mountains.
 
2012-05-13 10:29:15 PM
DamnYankees: AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE plot hole. If there is no electricity, how are they filming it? Huh? Huh?

The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it? How can gunpowder ignite, but they can't make electricity run through a circuit?


You are expecting actual science from an Abrams' show? Really?

On the other hand, this is also a Kripke show and it shows. Make-shift families, Middle Americans with weapons galore, road trips...errr, foot trips and a necklace with odd powers. And I will be seeing the show for that.
 
2012-05-13 10:38:21 PM
SharkTrager: drewogatory: SharkTrager: My ass is better than Alcatraz and nobody wants to watch it for an hour 24 times a year either.

I doubt your ass is better than Sarah Jones' tits and they didn't help either.

They didn't show her tits for the full hour or it might have worked.


If they would have filled the hour with said tits rubbing against Parminder Nagra's face itd be hailed as the greatest series of all time.
 
2012-05-13 10:38:37 PM
DamnYankees: AdolfOliverPanties: HUGE plot hole. If there is no electricity, how are they filming it? Huh? Huh?

The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it? How can gunpowder ignite, but they can't make electricity run through a circuit?


Piezoelectric crystals?

FYI-The motor of RPG-7 rockets are ignited by a piezoelectric fuse and the detonating fuses of some types of the rockets are piezoelectric.
 
2012-05-13 10:42:04 PM
emocomputerjock: SharkTrager: drewogatory: SharkTrager: My ass is better than Alcatraz and nobody wants to watch it for an hour 24 times a year either.

I doubt your ass is better than Sarah Jones' tits and they didn't help either.

They didn't show her tits for the full hour or it might have worked.

If they would have filled the hour with said tits rubbing against Parminder Nagra's face itd be hailed as the greatest series of all time.


Fox should hire you immediately.
 
2012-05-13 10:46:21 PM
fustanella, that was Ariel by Steven Boyer and I still own that book. It's all torn up but my kids now love it, too. He wrote a sequel last year? The year before? But it sucked.

/CSB
 
2012-05-13 10:52:26 PM
Didn't we call this JERICHO last time??
 
2012-05-13 10:55:09 PM
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2012-05-13 11:09:35 PM
DamnYankees: The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it?

No. Fire is an oxidizing chemical reaction. Electricity is... electricity, created by the movement of electrons.
 
2012-05-13 11:33:54 PM
Mugato: I'm going to take a wild guess and bet like all these high concept shows, they have no clue on how to resolve it and just assume that it'll be canceled before they have to come up with something.

This.

I'm so done with these JJ Abrams "Deus ex Machina" plot device mysteries that only service as a reason to get characters in a situation, but have nothing planned out as far as either a cause or a solution/conclusion.
 
2012-05-13 11:38:17 PM
Good thing there's a lot of make-up left.
 
2012-05-13 11:47:36 PM
Dwight_Yeast: DamnYankees: The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it?

No. Fire is an oxidizing chemical reaction. Electricity is... electricity, created by the movement of electrons.


You can rig up a clock to run off a potato; maybe the series is about a potato famine...
 
2012-05-14 12:03:21 AM
It always bothers me when they leap from the technological era to the middle ages.The United States has managed to maintain a coast to coast government since the middle of the 19th century without descending into barbarism.

Fine, electricity doesn't work. Something wrong with steam? Fire clearly does. How about coal? Water? We did just fine before Edison made us all fat & lazy.
 
2012-05-14 12:10:30 AM
CSB:

I've seen the pilot. The summaries above are right. Some mysterious group still has access to power and some technology.

I thought the episode sucked. It's like a cliche western. Some kids biggest problem is asthma. The lead actress is pretty awful. She's paired up with her stepmom, and they hate each other. The overgrown landmarks were the only cool thing IMHO. The lead bad guy was okay.
 
2012-05-14 12:10:38 AM
Nuclear Monk: Dwight_Yeast: DamnYankees: The plot hole for me is how the hell guns work. Electricity operates on the same basis as, you know, fire. Doesn't it?

No. Fire is an oxidizing chemical reaction. Electricity is... electricity, created by the movement of electrons.

You can rig up a clock to run off a potato; maybe the series is about a potato famine...


Not to mention an Aperture Science personality construct.

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2012-05-14 12:11:48 AM
pstawicki: Didn't we call this JERICHO last time??

They still had electricity in Jericho. Older cars (without electronic fuel injection IIRC), solar cells and wind power all worked just fine.

I kind of want to watch this. I like the whole post apocalyptic genre, and I am down with conspiracy stuff, but knowing Abrams they won't give details on why alternative power sources will not work until the series is about to end.


/Nuts!
 
2012-05-14 12:33:16 AM
The rich people shut it down and went to the beach.

Should have lowered them taxes!
 
2012-05-14 12:51:46 AM
Nuclear Monk: You can rig up a clock to run off a potato; maybe the series is about a potato famine...

That would be better that what they've actually got.

I caught a bit of a preview for the show and said, "yeah, no." I'll buy an EMP hit the earth and wiped out our electronics. I'll buy a world where the oil has run out. I'll buy the world in "the Road" where something cataclysmic has happened, but we don't know what.

But just waving your hand and saying "technology stopped working" is bullshiat.
 
2012-05-14 01:17:19 AM
Looks cool, I'll give it a whirl.
 
2012-05-14 01:23:53 AM
Life after people with people?
 
2012-05-14 02:00:43 AM
I'll just watch the first ten minutes to see where J.J. puts the KELVIN.
 
2012-05-14 02:02:57 AM
bdub77: Speaking of post-Firefly actors, I still for the life of me don't understand why Terminator got cancelled, I was really getting into that show.

Unfortunately, as I enjoyed watching the show, it was doomed to cancellation.

I have avoided watching Fringe despite recommendations from friends, due to knowledge that doing so would result in the show having been canceled prematurely. Now, as the show has been allowed a planned ending, I will be able to watch the series to its entirety through Blu-Ray. I must also do the same with Revolution, should reviews of it prove positive.
 
2012-05-14 02:50:15 AM
Is this the show where we all finally agree that Abrams is a hack?

No? Well, carry on then.
 
2012-05-14 03:18:50 AM
Does the power dampener also work on lightning? If so, then the Earth is doomed.

There's a deal called the nitrogen cycle and lightning is responsible in part for processing 10% of atmosphere nitrogen that's needed to keep the ecology functioning. Nitrogen is a primary nutrient for all green plants, but it must be modified before it can be readily utilized by most living systems. Without lightning, there's simply not enough N2 to go around.
 
2012-05-14 03:23:33 AM
As much as I like to rag on JJ Abrams, how much control does he have over these shows? I get the impression that he scribbles an idea on a napkin and hands it to a network exec for millions. Something like "No electricity, underground community protect secret, sword fights"

Anyways, I learned my lesson after getting excited from the trailers for "Awake". I should stick to waiting until after the second season to start watching a dramatic series.
 
2012-05-14 03:27:00 AM
Ahhh, nice to see VAST still getting some residuals off of Touched.

Love that song.
 
2012-05-14 05:13:46 AM
There was a short story I read in a high school Science Fiction class in which radios started getting old Morse Code signals, then old messages from the dawn of radio. This was caused by invisible electromagnetic beings who fed on such signals, and who headed straight to Earth when they started getting the first radio signals from Earth. Once they arrived, they settled in and absorbed all such electromagnetic activity; even a nuclear bomb test fizzled.

Of course, in the story, people were rather happy to go back to farming the land and living simply. Less stress than their old jobs. That part isn't believable for me.
 
2012-05-14 05:14:24 AM
NBC having a good show? HAHAHAHA

Seriously, the show might be good and just when it gets better, the peacock will cancel it and replace it with another crime drama.

And you're expecting a JJ Abrams to have a good plot that makes sense, you guys are funny.

JJ, I've seen two games and read a book that were similar and made more sense than that 4 minute trailer.
 
2012-05-14 05:20:18 AM
Jericho meets Dark Angel.
 
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