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(The New York Times)   Lead Shrink on D.S.M. 4 says, "D.S.M. 5 promises to be a disaster that will medicalize normality, introduce Har Har Finks"   (nytimes.com) divider line 178
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2012-05-13 03:44:51 PM
I'm sure there's a reason the author wrote this article. I'll check DSM5 in may.
 
2012-05-13 03:46:10 PM
For some reason that article gives off Scientology like vibes.
 
2012-05-13 03:57:57 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-13 04:13:59 PM
As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.
 
2012-05-13 04:38:44 PM

namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.


I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.
 
2012-05-13 04:47:42 PM

dahmers love zombie: I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


There isn't unless they just don't want to deal with them.
 
2012-05-13 06:02:37 PM

dahmers love zombie: namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.

I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


My reaction to the alarmism in the article and in the quoted text is "I would like to see some specific examples".
 
2012-05-13 06:50:53 PM
Brave New World and 1984 sure are fighting for dominance in the beginning of the 21st century.
 
2012-05-13 06:51:00 PM
How do you shrink lead?

/And is it a real plum bum?
 
2012-05-13 06:54:09 PM
Is there a good way to jump the paywall?
 
2012-05-13 06:55:05 PM
Will D.S.M. 5 pick up the open ended plot lines that D.S.M. 4 failed to resolve?
 
2012-05-13 06:56:14 PM
DSM 5 has Duke Nukem Forever Syndrome.

If it officially adds a Procrastination Syndrome I won't have to work another day in my life.
 
2012-05-13 06:56:47 PM

Asa Phelps: dahmers love zombie: namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.

I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.

My reaction to the alarmism in the article and in the quoted text is "I would like to see some specific examples".


link goes to another link that cites the studies, in footnotes
 
2012-05-13 06:56:51 PM
DS9?
 
2012-05-13 06:57:51 PM
That's just crazy.
 
2012-05-13 06:58:41 PM
i38.photobucket.com
Does it include sexual addiction?
 
2012-05-13 06:58:50 PM
DSM is self service, politicized BS
 
2012-05-13 06:59:00 PM
Smoke weed erry day?
 
2012-05-13 07:00:23 PM
Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.
 
2012-05-13 07:00:47 PM
you have a personality? that's a disorder, take these pills that will shorten your lifespan, kill your soul, but turn you into the cog we want you to be.
 
2012-05-13 07:01:05 PM
And to think... ICD-10 is coming too.
 
2012-05-13 07:01:32 PM

dahmers love zombie: namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.

I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


Crack babies and heavily abused infants could theoretically have a need for such medication to get over their shock trauma.
 
2012-05-13 07:02:12 PM
As an Aberrant American, I say bring on the meds.

You don't want yours? Fine, more for me. NOM NOM NOM
 
2012-05-13 07:02:30 PM

dahmers love zombie: namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.

I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


Kids have seizures.

Medications that treat seizures need to cross the blood-brain barrier. This makes them psychotropic.

So yes, there are perfectly reasonable explanations for why infants would be taking psychotropic drugs.
 
2012-05-13 07:03:13 PM
Yeeeah, I think it was pretty obvious when 4 came out that the political infighting is really shooting the entire field in the foot.

BigLuca: Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.


Same with Asperger's. The disorder has major and important differences from autism (especially that people with AS crave human contact\communication while autists may or may not), but why are they changing it? Because fark you, that's why.

This is not how you help people.
 
2012-05-13 07:04:13 PM

JasonOfOrillia: How do you shrink lead?

/And is it a real plum bum?


I normally wiz past many of the comments on Fark, but yours was particularly bizarre and irrelevant. Can you please, umm, explain?
 
2012-05-13 07:05:07 PM
Cyrusv10:

Purple monkey dishwasher.
 
2012-05-13 07:06:06 PM
I GOT BEANS IN MY POCKETS
 
2012-05-13 07:06:07 PM

BigLuca: Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.


I used to work in an adolescent psychiatric unit. You know what Oppositional Defiance Disorder is? Adolescence. It has to be the biggest bullshiat diagnosis.
 
2012-05-13 07:10:21 PM

Glenford: I used to work in an adolescent psychiatric unit. You know what Oppositional Defiance Disorder is? Adolescence. It has to be the biggest bullshiat diagnosis.


I was once told that pretty much everyone in prison has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This was said with a straight face by a mental health professional.
 
2012-05-13 07:12:01 PM

MindStalker: dahmers love zombie: namegoeshere: As an Uninsured American, I am of course immune to all of these new psychiatric diagnoses.

It still scares the farking shiat out of me. For example: The report also found almost 4,000 foster and non-foster care infants - under a year old - on Medicaid in five states were taking psychotropic drugs. Researchers said the risks these drugs pose to children are "not well understood". Infants. Less than one year old. On psychotropic medication. Infants. Less than one year old.

I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.

Crack babies and heavily abused infants could theoretically have a need for such medication to get over their shock trauma.


Nail on the head. Or, at least that is what we have been told whenever a kid arrives in our home with a baggie of prescription bottles in the diaper bag. The health department personnel aren't equipped to do much more than medicate. There's a whole lot of people out in the world that just want the baby to be quiet. Who cares if the baby needs to develop? Just be quiet baby.
 
2012-05-13 07:13:30 PM

BlippityBleep: you have a personality? that's a disorder, take these pills that will shorten your lifespan, kill your soul, but turn you into the cog we want you to be.


By definition of the word, a disorder is something that causes great distress. If the symptoms in the DSM are not greatly affecting ones life the DSM does not apply. If something in ones life is causing great distress that is worthy of trying to remedy, no?

Not to say some of the things in the DSM 5 might be crossing the line. Things like being able to add psychosomatic diagnoses to any physiologic diagnoses is a slippery slope. (have MS? Well now you have MS and psychosomatic illness, because come on, not all your fatigue is caused by MS!)
 
2012-05-13 07:14:28 PM
Peer review and politics are the same thing, dummies.

Also, expanding the range of mental abnormalities or quirks covered by the DSM doesn't mean every abnormality must be medicated. The DSM seeks to cover the whole spectrum, not to imply that all parts of that spectrum are necessarily negative nor to to prescribe treatment to those which are.
 
2012-05-13 07:15:14 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Glenford: I used to work in an adolescent psychiatric unit. You know what Oppositional Defiance Disorder is? Adolescence. It has to be the biggest bullshiat diagnosis.

I was once told that pretty much everyone in prison has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This was said with a straight face by a mental health professional.


Antisocial Personalty Disorder is what Sociopaths and Psychopaths are. It's characterized by the fact that either you don't care if you hurt someone or actually go out of your way to do so. IE pretty much a lot of guys in prison. The guy might have been using hyperbole but he is right.
 
2012-05-13 07:15:35 PM
And I'm feeling much better, now.
 
2012-05-13 07:15:55 PM
Doug Stanhope on Prescription Drugs pretty much covers most of it in my opinion.

What are we (as a society) supposed to do when there is no sane way to deal with all the crazy shiat going on? When does "acting like everything is as fine as it was in the 90s" become the definition of mental illness, instead of the baseline for mental health we try to medicate to?

/you only know you're sane if the world drives you crazy
 
2012-05-13 07:16:47 PM

PsiChick: Yeeeah, I think it was pretty obvious when 4 came out that the political infighting is really shooting the entire field in the foot.

BigLuca: Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.

Same with Asperger's. The disorder has major and important differences from autism (especially that people with AS crave human contact\communication while autists may or may not), but why are they changing it? Because fark you, that's why.

This is not how you help people.


Yeah I heard about that and don't really understand it. They are just lumping it into Autism Spectrum Disorder. I don't know the back story, but it seems like it is more of a coding and billing deal. I sense politics afoot.
 
2012-05-13 07:17:10 PM

MrBentor: And to think... ICD-10 is coming too.


And the billing nightmare of every claim either being paid automatically or denied in error will cause massive employment gains as everyone rushes to fix this!
 
2012-05-13 07:18:42 PM

dahmers love zombie: I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


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So if she gets knocked her babby will be formmed correctly, and require no medicine of any kind? Just try and convince the kids foster parents of that.
 
2012-05-13 07:19:00 PM

dahmers love zombie: I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


Phenobarbitol is considered a psychotropic medication, and is commonly used to treat substance withdrawals in newborns.

/off the top of my head.
 
2012-05-13 07:19:06 PM

Cyrusv10: JasonOfOrillia: How do you shrink lead?

/And is it a real plum bum?

I normally wiz past many of the comments on Fark, but yours was particularly bizarre and irrelevant. Can you please, umm, explain?


I read the headline as Lead, as in the metal, shrink, as in the action, instead of as leading psychologist. The chemical symbol for lead is Pb from the Latin word Plumbum.
 
2012-05-13 07:19:20 PM
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-13 07:19:33 PM

Glenford: BigLuca: Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.

I used to work in an adolescent psychiatric unit. You know what Oppositional Defiance Disorder is? Adolescence. It has to be the biggest bullshiat diagnosis.


My mother that works with abused kids in the Wilder fountation disagrees. The think is that it does get overdiagnoised but Oppositional Defiance Disorder is where the kid will refuse to do even the simplest thing told to do even if it benefits them. Ask them if they want to eat and they will argue with you that they're not hungry so you give up. Then 30 minutes later they will start screaming at you that their hungry and why didn't you feed them.
 
2012-05-13 07:19:53 PM

dahmers love zombie: I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.



I'm sure GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and the other pharmaceutical companies could conceive of several billion monetary reasons.

Because everyone is sick and even if you're not, there's a pill for that too.
 
2012-05-13 07:20:39 PM
Oppositional Defiance Disorder: "Why don't you quit bein' a batch and pill me up!"
 
2012-05-13 07:20:54 PM

GBmanNC: BlippityBleep: you have a personality? that's a disorder, take these pills that will shorten your lifespan, kill your soul, but turn you into the cog we want you to be.

By definition of the word, a disorder is something that causes great distress. If the symptoms in the DSM are not greatly affecting ones life the DSM does not apply. If something in ones life is causing great distress that is worthy of trying to remedy, no?


I have a problem with this when it comes to children. Because children cannot be in charge of their own healthcare. So perhaps it is causing great distress - to the parents. But perhaps it is not due to an organic disorder, but shiatty parenting. As has been said, Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Or, "angry/irritable mood", "defiant/headstrong behavior"... Now no longer any fault of the parent, as evidenced by this handy diagnosis and these helpful pills.
 
2012-05-13 07:21:52 PM
Goddamn farking autocorrect...
 
2012-05-13 07:21:54 PM

BigLuca: PsiChick: Yeeeah, I think it was pretty obvious when 4 came out that the political infighting is really shooting the entire field in the foot.

BigLuca: Some changes ... "It is proposed that the eight symptoms of Oppositional Defiant Disorder should be divided into the following categories: Angry/Irritable Mood; Defiant/Headstrong Behavior; and Vindictiveness."

And do you know why they are changing that? Because fark you, that's why.

Same with Asperger's. The disorder has major and important differences from autism (especially that people with AS crave human contact\communication while autists may or may not), but why are they changing it? Because fark you, that's why.

This is not how you help people.

Yeah I heard about that and don't really understand it. They are just lumping it into Autism Spectrum Disorder. I don't know the back story, but it seems like it is more of a coding and billing deal. I sense politics afoot.


If it wasn't, I have a feeling the news articles would involve something resembling a reason instead of just basic commentary. That, or, "Infuriated shrinks take to streets after being ridiculously misrepresented by media" would suddenly be a story.
 
2012-05-13 07:22:55 PM

dahmers love zombie: I cannot conceive of a single legitimate medical reason for this.


Those infants were babbling incoherently, grasping at imaginary objects in mid-air, and soiling themselves constantly. Most of them are so disconnected they can't even stand. They clearly need the meds.
=Smidge=
 
2012-05-13 07:24:01 PM
They told me i was crazy, but i showed them!

/the bodies
 
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