Less people to feed?

Has anyone in the state begun to consider this might not have been the brilliant stroke of genius that ALEC told them it would be?

The unintended consequence is that we are going to be importing more produce from South of the Border.

No. Not *that* South of the Border:

Cagey B: Is there a "Law of Obvious and Predictable Consequences"?

It's more of a suggestion, really

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cagey B: Is there a "Law of Obvious and Predictable Consequences"?

It's more of a suggestion, really

It hasn't even made it to the Theory stage yet?

It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems.

That said, a lot of the unemployed and "they takin' our jorbs!" folks could do with some honest work instead of wanting to be coddled by the very socialist government they are supposedly wanting to do away with.

Nadie_AZ: Less people to feed?

Has anyone in the state begun to consider this might not have been the brilliant stroke of genius that ALEC told them it would be?

ALEC has a solution to that as well - fire office workers and outsource skilled labor to china and india. then hire the former office workers and tech people to work in the fields. and they'll do it because SOCIALISMS! plus, we can just rework the old serfdom rules and slap a modern shine on 'em. one or two slick advertising campaigns later and they'll LINE UP to join!

/this is what Republicans actually believe.

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Less people to feed?

Has anyone in the state begun to consider this might not have been the brilliant stroke of genius that ALEC told them it would be?

ALEC has a solution to that as well - fire office workers and outsource skilled labor to china and india. then hire the former office workers and tech people to work in the fields. and they'll do it because SOCIALISMS! plus, we can just rework the old serfdom rules and slap a modern shine on 'em. one or two slick advertising campaigns later and they'll LINE UP to join!

/this is what Republicans actually believe.

Huh. I thought Americans were inherently too smart for that kind of menial work. I read about it here:

Alabama has a 7.6% unemployment rate, too.

BunkyBrewman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cagey B: Is there a "Law of Obvious and Predictable Consequences"?

It's more of a suggestion, really

It hasn't even made it to the Theory stage yet?

It used to be a law

/but that was before deregulation

Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems.

This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

Nadie_AZ: Huh. I thought Americans were inherently too smart for that kind of menial work.

just get the kardashians to say how 'cool' it is to work on a farm, then cut welfare and unemployment benefits to the bone. once the peons understand that the choice is starve to death OR work themselves into an early grave for min wage and a bowl of soup then they'll man up and start picking berries for their masters.

Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems..

paying workers a decent wage is socialism. you should be PROUD to work yourself to death for min wage and no OSHA regs.

Get the OWS to take care of the COWS.

Weaver95: Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems..

paying workers a decent wage is socialism. you should be PROUD to work yourself to death for min wage and no OSHA regs.

Not to mention purchasing your food and supplies at a convenient company-owned store and living in the spacious and comfortable company housing.

Corporate Personhood is Best Personhood.

Thoguh: Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems.

This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

You mean like the early 20th century?

Oh, the irony here is just too rich for me right now.

Thoguh: This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

Average pay for those jobs in Alabama was $12/hr according to one of the many articles we've greenlit around here on the subject.

BunkyBrewman: Thoguh: Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems.

This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

You mean like the early 20th century?

Oh, the irony here is just too rich for me right now.

I ... what?

Isn't that when unions formed, companies made concessions, and (ultimately) laws were passed to codify those concessions?

Nadie_AZ: BunkyBrewman: Thoguh: Man On A Mission: It's almost as if Americans won't work back-breaking labor for minimum wage or less. If your business plan depends of half-price labor, you need a new business plan. Blaming your own failure on an immigration law is ignoring your own problems.

This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

You mean like the early 20th century?

Oh, the irony here is just too rich for me right now.

I ... what?

Isn't that when unions formed, companies made concessions, and (ultimately) laws were passed to codify those concessions?

I meant *before* the unions formed. We're on the same page here.

/fine, 19th century then

jbuist: Thoguh: This right here. It's not that American's won't do the work. It's that they won't do the work for artificially low wages and allow you to ignore labor laws.

Average pay for those jobs in Alabama was $12/hr according to one of the many articles we've greenlit around here on the subject.



You're new to the world of migrant labor, aren't you?

Growing up in California's central valley, here's how the system works. Basically, since you're hiring illegal, undocumented workers, you can tell the government you're paying your workers whatever the Hell you want to tell them. There's no paper trial in terms of taxes. You have a couple of legal workers on the payroll, of course, but most of the migrant workers are hired as day labor. Day labor and 'independent contractors' don't have to be listed on a payroll, just the amount paid. If you claim, say $40,000 a year in payroll for farm workers who are 'contractors' and can be paid in cash, you can claim you've paid 4 people $10,000 each when you really paid 40 people $1,000 each. In the meantime, the few documented workers you have bump your hourly wage numbers and can be pointed to as 'proof'.

This is how the game is played. And it's why meaningful immigration reform will never actually happen. Democrats play to the migrant worker base, farm owners are mainly Republicans and don't want to lose the cheap labor. Alabama just let their derp overrule the facts of how the ag business works these days, and they're gonna play the price in lost crops. And Monsatto will eventually swoop in and buy up all those troubled farms for pennies on the dollar.

farkreader007: If only there was another group of people who live in the deep south who have a history of agriculture harvesting.

Ok, I laughed.

BunkyBrewman: The unintended consequence is that we are going to be importing more produce from South of the Border.

Well that's ok because unregulated pesticides and growth hormones are some of my favorite food additives. I do enjoy them.

farkreader007: If only there was another group of people who live in the deep south who have a history of agriculture harvesting.

Oh no you didn't.

/yes you did
//that's just cold