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2012-05-13 12:07:30 PM
Only needed to read the first sentence:

Melissa Bruninga Matteau has a PhD in medieval history
 
2012-05-13 12:07:35 PM
So how is that degree in queer musicology working out for you?
 
2012-05-13 12:07:47 PM
Oh, this thread again.

In before "so major in something employable".

/ Major in something employable.
 
2012-05-13 12:08:28 PM
There's a point where over-education becomes detrimental to getting a job.

I'd say the sweet spot is having a bachelor's degree and then entering the job market right away.

By the time the lazy bums who wanted to get advanced degrees finally get their sheepskins, the job experience puts the bachelor's guy way ahead of the game.
 
2012-05-13 12:08:32 PM
Well, I thought I'd be in here before "those dumbasses should have gotten a job in pipewelding LOL" but I was mistaken.
 
2012-05-13 12:09:11 PM
We did this thread the other day. The food stamp recipients were dismissed as not boot strappy enough if I recall correctly.
 
2012-05-13 12:09:23 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-13 12:09:42 PM

SharkTrager: Only needed to read the first sentence:

Melissa Bruninga Matteau has a PhD in medieval history


Because degrees in medieval history were invented in 2008?
 
2012-05-13 12:09:44 PM
It's to be execpted, really. There are far more people who graduate than there are job positions at that level, so you're gonna see a lot of this.
 
2012-05-13 12:09:58 PM
I'll be sure to think of this article next time I hear someone got an art degree
 
2012-05-13 12:10:38 PM
A PhD in Medieval History? Aside from being a professor, what kind of job market is there for someone with that degree?
 
2012-05-13 12:10:54 PM
What do you expect for a long term recession? Many of those people only pursued an advanced degree because the job market was junk when they graduated. Jobs haven't (and never, ever will) come back, so now they are SOL.

/Learn Mandarin, because your parents sold this entire country to them for a pair of cheap sneakers.
 
2012-05-13 12:11:32 PM
Academia isn't what it's cut out to be. That said, anyone smart and dedicated enough to get a PhD should be smart and dedicated enough to get out of the academia mouse-trap.
 
2012-05-13 12:11:52 PM

Whatthefark: A PhD in Medieval History? Aside from being a professor, what kind of job market is there for someone with that degree?


RenFair Coordinator

/all the faux-turkey legs you can eat
 
2012-05-13 12:13:43 PM

Lost Thought 00: Learn Mandarin, because your parents sold this entire country to them for a pair of cheap sneakers.


Well, you didn't major in economics.

/ Drama?
 
2012-05-13 12:14:13 PM
I was in a 'jobs workshop' last week with 3 physicists.

/houston
 
2012-05-13 12:14:28 PM
Re: Pete.
 
2012-05-13 12:14:29 PM
Is this poor woman STILL of food stamps? Maybe a PhD in medieval history isn't valued in Arizona (where so many of the residents remember the middle ages).
 
2012-05-13 12:14:49 PM
No engineers yet?
 
2012-05-13 12:15:02 PM

Whatthefark: A PhD in Medieval History? Aside from being a professor, what kind of job market is there for someone with that degree?


I would assume some type of research job for an institute or some type of museum job. But because of the state of the economy the money that funded those jobs has dried up because they relied on government funding and donations. So now there is no money, so no jobs.
 
2012-05-13 12:15:19 PM

freewill: Drama?


Histrionics
 
2012-05-13 12:15:46 PM
USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-05-13 12:16:26 PM
The company I work for will not hire anyone with a PhD. They are god damn useless for engineering. Academics? Sure. But I think at this point if you want to be a tenured professor, you're just waiting to fill a dead guy's shoes...not a growth industry here.
 
2012-05-13 12:16:45 PM
Lost Thought 00: What do you expect for a long term recession? Many of those people only pursued an advanced degree because the job market was junk when they graduated. Jobs haven't (and never, ever will) come back, so now they are SOL.

/Learn Mandarin, because your parents sold this entire country to them for a pair of cheap sneakers.


Makes the sold "Manhattan for a trunk of beads" indians looks mart by comparison doesn't it?
 
2012-05-13 12:17:14 PM
 
2012-05-13 12:17:29 PM

SharkTrager: Only needed to read the first sentence:

Melissa Bruninga Matteau has a PhD in medieval history


This.

Somehow, some way, in life, she was fortunate enough to get a PhD... and she f*cking wastes it and sh*ts it down the toilet. What a colossally stupid human being.
 
2012-05-13 12:17:47 PM
All those PhDs are just Liberal Elitists, so it's OK.
 
2012-05-13 12:18:26 PM

theorellior: those dumbasses should have gotten a job in pipewelding LOL


Know what's stopping me from doing that? All my past experiences in dealing with blue-collar people have been horrible. I've worked construction before, and if I wanted to listen to racist, homophobic, paranoid nonsense all day long, I'd start taking phone calls from my father.
 
2012-05-13 12:18:50 PM
A high school classmate went on to get her PhD in microbiology. She worked for a GM seed company for a while, and then tried teaching, but was not selected for tenure track. Today she is the office manger for an oncologist.

I really liked her too.....I always went for the brainy chicks, but she thought I was a hopeless slacker because I wasn't interested in continuing my education past my bachelors.

BTW, here is a really good article on why you should avoid wasting time/money pursuing a PhD.

PhD Glut
 
2012-05-13 12:19:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: There's a point where over-education becomes detrimental to getting a job.

I'd say the sweet spot is having a bachelor's degree and then entering the job market right away.

By the time the lazy bums who wanted to get advanced degrees finally get their sheepskins, the job experience puts the bachelor's guy way ahead of the game.


Actually, you aren't far off the mark. The job market is very anti-PhD (except in academia, and there are a limited number of jobs), so having a PhD and looking for general professional employment (which is where most PhDs in the humanities and social sciences go) is hard as hell. I seriously contemplated a PhD in the humanities twice, and was smacked down hard by trusted mentors, and I'm thankful for that. I might eventually teach in the humanities, and I would like to, but I have a useful PhD.

Oh, and fark you for saying that people who work on PhDs are lazy bums. You have no idea how hard it is. Also, historically people with advanced degrees have much lower unemployment and much higher income. We're in a weird lull because of the anti-education movement.
 
2012-05-13 12:19:57 PM

SharkTrager: Only needed to read the first sentence:

Melissa Bruninga Matteau has a PhD in medieval history


To realize this was a repeat?

Link
 
2012-05-13 12:20:05 PM
So vote Republican
 
2012-05-13 12:20:10 PM
As much as the Fark middle-management illuminati love to make fun of degrees in unknown subjects, the subjects are not the source of the problem. The recession caused a job market crash and trapped a lot of PhDs who entered academia with very reasonable expectations of securing a job in their field.

You've devoted 5-10 years getting an advanced degree expecting to get a teaching job and then *POOF* half those jobs disappear. You're not going to all of a sudden take up welding. You're going to wait around and hope that the market recovers and jobs reappear.

The problem is that everyone else is doing the same thing, universities are still admitting a high number of grad students, and the job market is not recovering very quickly. It's quite a bad situation with no short term solution.
 
2012-05-13 12:20:24 PM

Lost Thought 00: What do you expect for a long term recession? Many of those people only pursued an advanced degree because the job market was junk when they graduated. Jobs haven't (and never, ever will) come back, so now they are SOL.

/Learn Mandarin, because your parents sold this entire country to them for a pair of cheap sneakers.


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2012-05-13 12:20:53 PM

Ignorant McNugget: theorellior: those dumbasses should have gotten a job in pipewelding LOL

Know what's stopping me from doing that? All my past experiences in dealing with blue-collar people have been horrible. I've worked construction before, and if I wanted to listen to racist, homophobic, paranoid nonsense all day long, I'd start taking phone calls from my father.


Before my current life, I installed flooring and worked in factories. I couldn't agree more, and your post made me actually laugh out loud.
 
2012-05-13 12:21:11 PM
Briefly considered getting PhD until I realized the only "market" for it was teaching. Not great pay until you get into the higher-levels of professor-dom, not to mention all the in-politics associated with it.

I know a few PhD holders who struggled big time after graduating, and these were folks with engineering and biochem degrees. Two of them now sell insurance and the other is a day trader.

Got a master's instead, work in a field COMPLETELY unrelated to degree. And I love it.
 
2012-05-13 12:21:34 PM

Aar1012: No engineers yet?


No, we're here and have been negatively affected by this recession like most others.
 
2012-05-13 12:21:36 PM
Is this where I can laugh at the history majors again?
 
2012-05-13 12:21:41 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: By the time the lazy bums who wanted to get advanced degrees finally get their sheepskins, the job experience puts the bachelor's guy way ahead of the game.


In what field are people with bachelor's degrees and people with PhDs competing for the same job?
 
2012-05-13 12:22:24 PM
I dunno. Is there any dough in touring with a Renaissance Festival?

www.macdillhappenings.com

/got nothing
 
2012-05-13 12:23:02 PM

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Better caption: iPhone Barrista
 
2012-05-13 12:23:06 PM

december: As much as the Fark middle-management illuminati love to make fun of degrees in unknown subjects, the subjects are not the source of the problem. The recession caused a job market crash and trapped a lot of PhDs who entered academia with very reasonable expectations of securing a job in their field.

You've devoted 5-10 years getting an advanced degree expecting to get a teaching job and then *POOF* half those jobs disappear. You're not going to all of a sudden take up welding. You're going to wait around and hope that the market recovers and jobs reappear.

The problem is that everyone else is doing the same thing, universities are still admitting a high number of grad students, and the job market is not recovering very quickly. It's quite a bad situation with no short term solution.


You sound like you draw faces in latte foam.
 
2012-05-13 12:23:10 PM
I know someone with a phd in human sexuality...on food stamps.

Shocker.
/not THAT shocker
 
2012-05-13 12:24:07 PM

SharkTrager: Melissa Bruninga Matteau has a PhD in medieval history


Given the strong preference of US conservatives and Islamic radicals to try and take us back to another era, having someone like this around could be very useful. But I digress...

My employer paid for my masters but now doesn't know what to do with me. They prefer having me do the same old thing rather then let me do actual management or strategic planning.

/degrees are overrated
 
2012-05-13 12:24:51 PM
Based on the fact that I've read two Fark articles about PhDs on food stamps in the last week, the rate is soaring. Amazingly, both stories were about PhDs in medieval history who work as ADJUNCTS for a community college in Prescott, AZ, take home $900 a month, and pay $750 in rent. What boggles my mind is that both of them are named Melissa Bruninga Matteau. What are the chances?

Note to those people with new PhDs, adjunct positions are the temps of the academic work. If you have to go that route, do it in an area with enough post-secondary institutions that you can work at several of them at the same time. Prescott, AZ is not one of those places unless you have two PhDs, one of which is in aeronautics.

/I have several friends stuck on the adjunct treadmill and all of them have jobs at several institutions.
 
2012-05-13 12:24:56 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: AverageAmericanGuy: By the time the lazy bums who wanted to get advanced degrees finally get their sheepskins, the job experience puts the bachelor's guy way ahead of the game.

In what field are people with bachelor's degrees and people with PhDs competing for the same job?


Food service.
 
2012-05-13 12:25:34 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: AverageAmericanGuy: By the time the lazy bums who wanted to get advanced degrees finally get their sheepskins, the job experience puts the bachelor's guy way ahead of the game.

In what field are people with bachelor's degrees and people with PhDs competing for the same job?


I know in a lot of the job postings I see for research/engineering jobs, the requirements often have experience and higher education as interchangeable. So someone with a bachelors and 5-10 years experience is going up against a PhD with no professional experience. Unless that PhD happens to be right in line with the job opening, I think the advantage probably goes to the person with professional experience.
 
2012-05-13 12:25:45 PM
For the cost of a semester or two they could have bought a used truck, trailer, lawnmower and a weed-eater.
 
2012-05-13 12:25:46 PM
PhD in medieval history? Why aren't people knocking down your door to hire you? Jeesh.
They have a Medieval Festival here every year and are always looking for wenches.
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2012-05-13 12:26:24 PM

sure haven't: Ignorant McNugget: theorellior: those dumbasses should have gotten a job in pipewelding LOL

Know what's stopping me from doing that? All my past experiences in dealing with blue-collar people have been horrible. I've worked construction before, and if I wanted to listen to racist, homophobic, paranoid nonsense all day long, I'd start taking phone calls from my father.

Before my current life, I installed flooring and worked in factories. I couldn't agree more, and your post made me actually laugh out loud.


Pot meet kettle
/Sweeping generalizations are fun
 
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