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2012-05-13 12:48:41 PM
So Arsenal fans, what are you feeling right now? You're sitting in third, so you're going to the Champions League which means RVP's more than likely sticking around, but Nasri now has a Premier League title. How do you feel?
 
2012-05-13 12:56:40 PM
Also, what's happening at the Piers Morgan residence right now?
 
2012-05-13 12:58:11 PM

ADubs86: So Arsenal fans, what are you feeling right now? You're sitting in third, so you're going to the Champions League which means RVP's more than likely sticking around, but Nasri now has a Premier League title. How do you feel?


I can't wait for financial FairPlay to truly take effect
 
2012-05-13 12:58:35 PM

ADubs86: Also, what's happening at the Piers Morgan residence right now?


With any luck, a Benoit. With only him in the house.
 
2012-05-13 12:58:49 PM

ADubs86: Also, what's happening at the Piers Morgan residence right now?


He's taking he's jealousy out of his scrouge mcduck piles of money.
 
2012-05-13 01:01:09 PM
The Guardian made a pretty detailed set of predictions in the preseason (italicized quotes from them)

1. Man Utd a squad ready to retain the league title but a bigger challenge awaits in Europe
2. Man City may have moved marginally ahead of Chelsea as the more credible challengers to United.
3: Chelsea All the pressure is on the shoulders of the coach
4. Liverpool [Quoting the Owner] "Our main goal is to qualify for the Champions League. If we don't, it would be a major disappointment."
5: Arsenal the most pessimistic close season for Arsenal in decades.
6. Tottenham should at least finish with more points than last season.
7. Everton Everton remain the best of the rest.
8. Sunderland almost certainly not good or bad enough to finish in the top or bottom six
9. Fulham Fulham should be fun to watch this season. And tough to play against.
10. Stoke City too limited to finish in the top-half...too strong to become embroiled in a relegation fight
11. Bolton Realistically Bolton should have enough to keep clear of a relegation battle.
12. Aston Villa In short, the days of being a top-six club are gone
13. West Bromwich Albion drama-free seasons do have their merits.
14. Newcastle [Quoting the Manager]"Physically the players are in better shape than last year but mentally they're not."
15. Wolves should be much better equipped than the three promoted clubs and also capable of competing on a level footing with the likes of Newcastle United...
16. Norwich The hard work starts now
17. QPR a squad that, frankly, still looks every inch the Championship flyers they were.
18. Wigan it would not greatly surprise anyone at the DW were Wigan to fare better in the second set of three games[Man City, Everton Spurs] than the first [Norwich, Swansea, QPR]. You just never know with Wigan
19. Blackburn If you could bottle and sell the mood around Ewood Park, you'd be banged up for peddling toxic moonshine.
20. Swansea A relegation scrap is on the cards, though the Swans have the tools to survive,


I guess by their standards the big disappointments are Wolves, Bolton, and Liverpool, and the big surprises are Newcastle and Swansea.
 
2012-05-13 01:03:18 PM

689908: I'm not saying anything about the awesomeness or otherwise of any of these teams, but statistically these are the best teams over a 38-game season (ie since 95/96) :

Chelsea 04/05 95 points
United 99/00 91 points (+52 gd)
Chelsea 05/06 91 points (+50 gd)
Arsenal 03/04 90 points (+47 gd)
United 08/09 90 points (+44 gd)
Man City 11/12 89 points (+64 gd)
United 11/12 89 points (+56 gd, 89gs)
United 06/07 89 points (+56 gd, 83gs)
United 07/08 87 points (+58 gd)
Arsenal 01/02 87 points (+43 gd)


But you can't use this. Because of the turnover of clubs, players and managers in the EPL it's impossible to judge two teams from different seasons against one another in a vacuum.
 
2012-05-13 01:03:20 PM

HaywoodJablonski: ADubs86: So Arsenal fans, what are you feeling right now? You're sitting in third, so you're going to the Champions League which means RVP's more than likely sticking around, but Nasri now has a Premier League title. How do you feel?

I can't wait for financial FairPlay to truly take effect


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...pull the other one..hahahahaha. Never happen. Football is far too corrupt and big money always comes out on top. City will just sign another huge commercial deal with another cousin.
 
2012-05-13 01:06:45 PM
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dat heart
 
2012-05-13 01:08:09 PM
I can't believe what I saw happen today. City was dead and I was saying to myself "they have no one to blame but themselves" and then out of farking nowhere, they pulled it out.

I can't believe that I actually feel a bit for the United fans just for how they lost it. It's one thing if that happens in the 75th minute. Totally different happening in the 94th.

Congrats City, well done.

/Joey Barton should be banned for the 1st 3 months of next season for his stupidity.
//And fire Kenny
 
2012-05-13 01:13:45 PM
I just wanted to come in like others have and say DAMMIT WEST BROM BACKUP KEEPER.

Also, go you wacky Germans, please don't let Chelsea steal the Spurs final spot.

If Spurs hold on, that means now that HALF of the big 4 would be gone from Champions.
 
2012-05-13 01:14:38 PM

TheManofPA: I just wanted to come in like others have and say DAMMIT WEST BROM BACKUP KEEPER.

Also, go you wacky Germans, please don't let Chelsea steal the Spurs final spot.

If Spurs hold on, that means now that HALF of the big 4 would be gone from Champions.


I think the days of the Big 4 are long gone now.
 
2012-05-13 01:18:24 PM

ADubs86: TheManofPA: I just wanted to come in like others have and say DAMMIT WEST BROM BACKUP KEEPER.

Also, go you wacky Germans, please don't let Chelsea steal the Spurs final spot.

If Spurs hold on, that means now that HALF of the big 4 would be gone from Champions.

I think the days of the Big 4 are long gone now.


Myth anyhow. Teams go up, teams go down in cycles.

For next year I think Tottenham might suffer a squad break-up. Chelsea need some major surgery. MUFC have had their Pickett's Charge this year.
 
2012-05-13 01:18:36 PM

ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: More trophies than you
More trophies than you
Hey man united,
We've more trophies than you.

Really?

Really, really.


How do you figure?
 
2012-05-13 01:19:43 PM
//And fire Kenny

Won't help. Does 'pool even have one player that would make City's freaking bench? Lucas and maybe Suarez. Maybe Reina since City don't seem to give a toss about wages and might well overpay a back up keeper. I'd say we need at least 5 first team players (farking quality ones that could start for our rivals, not farking "premier league proven' journeymen or bargains) and as many quality subs before being realistically competitive at all. Although looking at the barcodes this year who the hell really knows...
 
2012-05-13 01:25:22 PM

The Envoy: ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: More trophies than you
More trophies than you
Hey man united,
We've more trophies than you.

Really?

Really, really.

How do you figure?


If I had to guess, because Liverpool won the Carling Cup, their 1 trophy beats United's no trophies this year. I think that puts the two clubs either level or United only up by 1 on major honors in club history.
 
2012-05-13 01:27:03 PM

ADubs86: So Arsenal fans, what are you feeling right now? You're sitting in third, so you're going to the Champions League which means RVP's more than likely sticking around, but Nasri now has a Premier League title. How do you feel?


Honestly, I'm feeling some elation, but mostly relief. Losing both Fabregas and Nasri late, I was pretty certain that Arsenal wouldn't manage a top six finish. Then when Arsene didn't replace either right away and a disastrous start, I was sure that the season could be written off. Early on, the Gunners were in the bottom of the table and I had serious, serious reservations about the season.

So right now CL is locked up, which means that it's Arsenal's best chance to re-sign RvP. It means that Arsenal also has the best chance to M'Vila now, as well as other players to strengthen the squad.

I still don't like the way Nasri handled his business when he left, but he won a title and good for him. He hasn't shone on City this year so I don't feel too bad about that. I'm less concerned about him at this point. It would have been great to see City choke against QPR, but they pulled it off so good for them.
 
2012-05-13 01:28:11 PM

The Envoy: ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: More trophies than you
More trophies than you
Hey man united,
We've more trophies than you.

Really?

Really, really.

How do you figure?


This year:
Liverpool - 1
ManU - 0

History (epl, FA cup, league cup, UCLA, uefa, supercup)
Liverpool - 44
ManU - 39

So to properly answer your question....Math.
 
2012-05-13 01:33:42 PM

desertgeek: I can't believe what I saw happen today. City was dead and I was saying to myself "they have no one to blame but themselves" and then out of farking nowhere, they pulled it out.

I can't believe that I actually feel a bit for the United fans just for how they lost it. It's one thing if that happens in the 75th minute. Totally different happening in the 94th.

Congrats City, well done.

/Joey Barton should be banned for the 1st 3 months of next season for his stupidity.
//And fire Kenny


I'll say this: I think that if the season was re-played again. Same teams, same lineups, same weather and stadiums, but just another game played, I think Liverpool would be fourth or fifth. I know that sounds weird, but there were soooo many unlucky bounces, posts struck, last-minute losses, that it would be statistically impossible to re-create a season that went quite as badly. It seemed like with very few exceptions, just about everything possible went wrong at the worst times for Liverpool this season. The talent is there, but somehow no matter how often you mixed the right ingredients and stuck them into the oven, you could just never make a cake.

I think you guys would be better with a different coach, but I also don't think Kenny is as truly horrible. As he's been made out to be. He's definitely made some mistakes, though.
 
2012-05-13 01:34:00 PM

Evilsmurf: 689908: I'm not saying anything about the awesomeness or otherwise of any of these teams, but statistically these are the best teams over a 38-game season (ie since 95/96) :

Chelsea 04/05 95 points
United 99/00 91 points (+52 gd)
Chelsea 05/06 91 points (+50 gd)
Arsenal 03/04 90 points (+47 gd)
United 08/09 90 points (+44 gd)
Man City 11/12 89 points (+64 gd)
United 11/12 89 points (+56 gd, 89gs)
United 06/07 89 points (+56 gd, 83gs)
United 07/08 87 points (+58 gd)
Arsenal 01/02 87 points (+43 gd)

But you can't use this. Because of the turnover of clubs, players and managers in the EPL it's impossible to judge two teams from different seasons against one another in a vacuum.


Wipe away your tears and read the comment again. From the beginning.
 
2012-05-13 01:35:41 PM
Bravo Manchester City, well done. Thank the stars for your incredible start, because you came as close as possible to performing a faceplant ten feet from the finish line.

/I imagine the entire City of Manchester is already rioting
 
2012-05-13 01:43:12 PM
Love this from the BBC commentary:

Fulham boss Martin Jol on the madness of the closing minutes of the title race:

"Harry [Redknapp] told me that United were champions and then I went into the dressing room and someone else told me City were champions."
 
2012-05-13 01:50:32 PM
1066 goals - the most ever in a 38-game season.
 
2012-05-13 01:51:11 PM

ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: More trophies than you
More trophies than you
Hey man united,
We've more trophies than you.

Really?

Really, really.

How do you figure?

This year:
Liverpool - 1
ManU - 0

History (epl, FA cup, league cup, UCLA, uefa, supercup)
Liverpool - 44
ManU - 39

So to properly answer your question....Math.


I thought you were talking about this season. Of course you're right...but come back when ypu've won 19, hey.

ADubs86: If I had to guess, because Liverpool won the Carling Cup, their 1 trophy beats United's no trophies this year.


United won the Charity Shield.
 
2012-05-13 01:54:29 PM

The Envoy: ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: More trophies than you
More trophies than you
Hey man united,
We've more trophies than you.

Really?

Really, really.

How do you figure?

This year:
Liverpool - 1
ManU - 0

History (epl, FA cup, league cup, UCLA, uefa, supercup)
Liverpool - 44
ManU - 39

So to properly answer your question....Math.

I thought you were talking about this season. Of course you're right...but come back when ypu've won 19, hey.

ADubs86: If I had to guess, because Liverpool won the Carling Cup, their 1 trophy beats United's no trophies this year.

United won the Charity Shield.


Charity shield is an exhibition game and only two teams are eligible to play. It's not a competition nor is it a trophy.
 
2012-05-13 01:56:32 PM

The Envoy:
United won the Charity Shield.


I'm guessing he meant real trophies.
 
2012-05-13 01:59:11 PM

The Envoy: ADubs86: If I had to guess, because Liverpool won the Carling Cup, their 1 trophy beats United's no trophies this year.

United won the Charity Shield.


Hey don't look at me, I'm not trying to argue this. I really don't care. I'm just supporting a team, not trying to be an asshole here.
 
2012-05-13 02:07:25 PM

689908: 1066 goals - the most ever in a 38-game season.


1066 eh?

Let's hope nobody tries to invade England.

TonyDanza: The Envoy:
United won the Charity Shield.

I'm guessing he meant real trophies.


Does the League Cup really count then?
 
2012-05-13 02:13:17 PM

Halli: 689908: 1066 goals - the most ever in a 38-game season.

1066 eh?

Let's hope nobody tries to invade England.

TonyDanza: The Envoy:
United won the Charity Shield.

I'm guessing he meant real trophies.

Does the League Cup really count then?


Seeing as every team has a chance...yes.. Yes it does. Some teams chose not to take it seriously, but that apparently doesn't always work out.
 
2012-05-13 02:14:51 PM

Halli: 1066 eh?

Let's hope nobody tries to invade England.


I genuinely laughed out loud.
 
2012-05-13 02:17:38 PM
Does the League Cup really count then?

For small time clubs. No big club should be bragging over one that's for sure.
 
2012-05-13 02:19:23 PM

drewogatory: Does the League Cup really count then?

For small time clubs. No big club should be bragging over one that's for sure.


So you're saying that winning nothing is better than winning the lague cup?
 
2012-05-13 02:23:01 PM
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ScouserDuck: drewogatory: Does the League Cup really count then?

For small time clubs. No big club should be bragging over one that's for sure.

So you're saying that winning nothing is better than winning the lague cup?


I would take third over the league cup any year. A Liverpool fan who says otherwise is lying.
 
2012-05-13 02:23:26 PM

ScouserDuck: drewogatory: Does the League Cup really count then?

For small time clubs. No big club should be bragging over one that's for sure.

So you're saying that winning nothing is better than winning the lague cup?


I'm saying that just like the Community Shield or the Club World Cup it means fark all.
 
2012-05-13 02:27:11 PM

ScouserDuck: Charity shield is an exhibition game and only two teams are eligible to play. It's not a competition nor is it a trophy.


It's the culmination of two competitions that all teams are eligible for, so your first point is wrong. As for your second point:
upload.wikimedia.org

That fulfils the definition of trophy completely. So that's wrong too.

Honestly, you ABUs are hilarious.
 
2012-05-13 02:42:21 PM
Two questions that are as boring as Michael Owen's twitter:

(a) Michael Owen was eligible for 114 Premier League games over the past three seasons. How many times did he complete 90 minutes?

(b) Micheal Owen was eligible for 167 PL, CL, EL, LC and FA Cup games over the past three seasons. How many times did he complete 90 minutes?

/Yes, I am slightly proud about how boring this is.
//This is based on the idea that he won't get a new contract, but we all know he will.
///No prizes. Much like United then.
 
2012-05-13 02:43:37 PM

The Envoy: ScouserDuck: Charity shield is an exhibition game and only two teams are eligible to play. It's not a competition nor is it a trophy.

It's the culmination of two competitions that all teams are eligible for, so your first point is wrong. As for your second point:


That fulfils the definition of trophy completely. So that's wrong too.

Honestly, you ABUs are hilarious.


I don't get how my position is ABU. I mean sure, I take that stance plenty of times. But me supporting my club isn't ABU, it's pro Liverpool. If supporting your own club is ABU, then you have some major ego issues to work out.

Secondly, the community shield Is a game between two successful clubs (its not a culmination because sometimes the leagues runner up plays in it) in order to bring in ticket sales because its a fundraiser. Proceeds go to charity. But if you want to go ahead and count it, go ahead.

I think this is an interesting discussion though. There was an article a few weeks ago on ESPN about how teams feel coming in 3rd in the league is more important than winning a trophy. I can see both sides. I would absolutely love to qualify for champions league again. But what comes of it if two years later you still haven't won it. There is something to be said to win a 92 team elimination style tounament. There is something to show from it. As opposed to year after year playing in the CL and not winning it.
 
2012-05-13 02:48:30 PM
A wise man once said when asked about his priorities for the season:

"The Football League. Always has been and always will be. I would gladly go out of the European Cup, the Football League Cup and the FA Cup which we're not even in yet, I would gladly go out of them tomorrow if you could guarantee me winning the Football League."

I'm a Liverpool fan, and the talk before the FA Cup Final that winning the Cup double would have made for a successful season made me laugh. But yeah, better than winning nothing I suppose.

All the best to the City fans, enjoy your reign as champions.
 
2012-05-13 02:55:20 PM
But what comes of it if two years later you still haven't won it. There is something to be said to win a 92 team elimination style tounament. There is something to show from it. As opposed to year after year playing in the CL and not winning it.

If you aren't in the Champion's league and you aren't owned by an oil sheik or a ogliarch you have no way to sign the best players. Most top players endorsement deals are based on them being in the CL and on their national team and you're probably not playing your way on to your major national side without CL football. So you'd better be able to offer top,top wages to lure those guys to make up for it. Being in Liverpool doesn't help either for guys who are content without CL, might as well play for Athletico or Roma and live in a world class city then. Liverpool is far more likely to become the next Aston Villa or the next Leeds then they are of challenging for another title in the forseeable future.
 
2012-05-13 03:03:02 PM

ScouserDuck: The Envoy: ScouserDuck: Charity shield is an exhibition game and only two teams are eligible to play. It's not a competition nor is it a trophy.

It's the culmination of two competitions that all teams are eligible for, so your first point is wrong. As for your second point:


That fulfils the definition of trophy completely. So that's wrong too.

Honestly, you ABUs are hilarious.

I don't get how my position is ABU. I mean sure, I take that stance plenty of times. But me supporting my club isn't ABU, it's pro Liverpool. If supporting your own club is ABU, then you have some major ego issues to work out.

Secondly, the community shield Is a game between two successful clubs (its not a culmination because sometimes the leagues runner up plays in it) in order to bring in ticket sales because its a fundraiser. Proceeds go to charity. But if you want to go ahead and count it, go ahead.

I think this is an interesting discussion though. There was an article a few weeks ago on ESPN about how teams feel coming in 3rd in the league is more important than winning a trophy. I can see both sides. I would absolutely love to qualify for champions league again. But what comes of it if two years later you still haven't won it. There is something to be said to win a 92 team elimination style tounament. There is something to show from it. As opposed to year after year playing in the CL and not winning it.


If Platini gets his way the Europa League will be merged with the Champions League and Cup winners will automatically qualify for the CL. I think that would be for the best.
 
2012-05-13 03:04:08 PM

Noseybonk: A wise man once said when asked about his priorities for the season:

"The Football League. Always has been and always will be. I would gladly go out of the European Cup, the Football League Cup and the FA Cup which we're not even in yet, I would gladly go out of them tomorrow if you could guarantee me winning the Football League."

I'm a Liverpool fan, and the talk before the FA Cup Final that winning the Cup double would have made for a successful season made me laugh. But yeah, better than winning nothing I suppose.

All the best to the City fans, enjoy your reign as champions.


Exactly how I feel. I expected us to be competing for a Champions League spot at least this season and most Liverpool fans felt the same way. Hell, a lot of "experts" felt that way too (with varying degrees of success). We grossly underachieved. Yeah, we won a trophy and nearly won the FA Cup. Great, but that doesn't matter.

Yes, we were very unlucky at times. But I also feel that we were lacking tactically as well. Kenny grossly underplayed some very good players (Kuyt, Maxi) who would've made a difference.

There's reason for optimism. Carroll started to come alive the last 2-3 months. Downing has improved some. Henderson is almost a waste of space at this point though. I see no improvement from him and he was overused during the season. Plus, we will get Lucas back from injury.

I think we need a change at the top just to keep the good players. Kenny's mindset just doesn't work today, I feel.
 
2012-05-13 03:06:44 PM

carnifex2005:
I think this is an interesting discussion though. There was an article a few weeks ago on ESPN about how teams feel coming in 3rd in the league is more important than winning a trophy. I can see both sides. I would absolutely love to qualify for champions league again. But what comes of it if two years later you still haven't won it. There is something to be said to win a 92 team elimination style tounament. There is something to show from it. As opposed to year after year playing in the CL and not winning it.

If Platini gets his way the Europa League will be merged with the Champions League and Cup winners will automatically qualify for the CL. I think that would be for the best.


I read someone (might have been on ESPN) suggest a few weeks ago that the Europa League should be made a straight knockout competition from the start. I think that makes more sense than the clusterfark it is now. 2 leg knockout from the start, but keep letting those 3rd place CL teams parachute in for the Round of 32.
 
2012-05-13 03:10:04 PM

desertgeek: carnifex2005:
I think this is an interesting discussion though. There was an article a few weeks ago on ESPN about how teams feel coming in 3rd in the league is more important than winning a trophy. I can see both sides. I would absolutely love to qualify for champions league again. But what comes of it if two years later you still haven't won it. There is something to be said to win a 92 team elimination style tounament. There is something to show from it. As opposed to year after year playing in the CL and not winning it.

If Platini gets his way the Europa League will be merged with the Champions League and Cup winners will automatically qualify for the CL. I think that would be for the best.

I read someone (might have been on ESPN) suggest a few weeks ago that the Europa League should be made a straight knockout competition from the start. I think that makes more sense than the clusterfark it is now. 2 leg knockout from the start, but keep letting those 3rd place CL teams parachute in for the Round of 32.


They need to bring back the old Cup Winners Cup format for Champions League as well. They could easily lose half the field there and not miss them.
 
2012-05-13 03:23:53 PM

drewogatory: I'm saying that just like the Community Shield or the Club World Cup it means fark all.


Means fark all to English clubs. Try telling TP Mazembe the Club World Cup doesn't matter.
 
2012-05-13 03:30:52 PM
what an end.... I'm think of how much a winner and great manager Fergie is, obviously i don't need to reiterate his commitment to win, but just his reaction to the end of the Citeh comeback and the look on his face said that he cared, and wanted to win the trophy. I think other managers would have acted differently.
 
2012-05-13 03:32:17 PM

ADubs86: So Arsenal fans, what are you feeling right now? You're sitting in third, so you're going to the Champions League which means RVP's more than likely sticking around, but Nasri now has a Premier League title. How do you feel?


Honestly, with the way the season started, I'm proud. Proud of the way they played and scrapped back. If they add some quality and some depth in the Summer, I think they can challenge for a title. And they haven't spent a billion dollars to do it.

I really don't care about Nasri anymore, he got his title being a bit player, he can be happy, God bless him...fark that, he's still a coont.

Happy St. Totteringham's Day!
 
2012-05-13 03:55:35 PM
Wow. Villarreal relegated.
 
2012-05-13 04:05:27 PM

689908: Wow. Villarreal relegated.


wow!
did not see the yellow submarine getting regulated, they were in the UFA's 3,4 season's ago
 
2012-05-13 04:31:34 PM

expobill: 689908: Wow. Villarreal relegated.

wow!
did not see the yellow submarine getting regulated, they were in the UFA's 3,4 season's ago


Well I guess that's Rossi, Senna, Zapata, Lopez, Valero, Cani, Nilmar, de Guzman all hitting the market. Transfer window is going to be farked this summer tho. Anyone that does well at the Euros will command a premium but all the top players will be well tired by the time the season starts and there will be a shiat ton of injuries next season as well most likely.
 
2012-05-13 04:34:16 PM
Oh Joey, you charmer!

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He's going to get a long ban, he should just retire and join the ranks of former footballers who turned their coontitude into punditry. I want to see him on MOTD botching Nietzsche quotes.

Langston: You've made me laugh more times this season than anybody. Thank you for that.


After this season, I gotta laugh... or else I'll cry. :D
 
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