In other news, the US military is now at Israels beck and call.

logistic: In other news, the US military is now at Israels beck and call.

... "now"?

MorrisBird: Have I gone dyslexic? I saw nothing in the article about a deployment.


A bunch of F-22s were deployed to the UAE (IIRC) a few weeks back. Which didn't actually mean much, because they weren't the latest model (Block 31) modified for ground attack anyways, and were there for routine exercises.

kmmontandon: logistic: In other news, the US military is now at Israels beck and call.

... "now"?

OK. I chuckled. Maybe more than chuckled. It wasn't a chortle, but it wasn't quite a guffaw. There was some definite bemmy-hemmying though.

b2theory: Marcus Aurelius: Finally, the F-22 is useful for something for a change. If nothing changing is a change, of course.

With everyone and their brother building fifth generation fighters, it may not be a bad idea to have the best.

If by best you mean have the ones that make pilots go crazy.

b2theory: Marcus Aurelius: Finally, the F-22 is useful for something for a change. If nothing changing is a change, of course.

With everyone and their brother building fifth generation fighters, it may not be a bad idea to have the best.

We'd need to build the best first.

Years after saying Israel should be "wiped off" the map,


Also, this never actually happened.

cman: kmmontandon: Years after saying Israel should be "wiped off" the map,


Also, this never actually happened.

CNN isnt known for a conservative leaning. Although I do not trust the media 100%, I would trust them on something like this.

/If this link was to Fox News, you would have a point
//Or Breitbart, DailyCaller, WND, etc



It was a lazy (or perhaps intentionally misleading) translation. His statement is properly translated to, "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". Regime collapsing != complete obliteration.

And the American media as a whole, not just the conservative ones, sucks Israel's cock. Don't trust them for unbiased reporting. CNN may be fairly neutral (actually, corporatist best describes their stance) on a US political scale, but it's hardly free of bias.

If you want fair international news, NPR, BBC, or Al-Jazeera.

b2theory: Sorry, I didnt know you weren't from the US. You are correct. Your country doesn't have anything that approaches the F-22

Oh, no, I'm from the US. The F-22 would actually have to fly on something like a regular basis to be considered the best.

b2theory:
So when they sort out the oxygen generator glitch it will finally regain its stealth, super cruise, super maneuverability, low probability of intercept radar, and the ability to track and engage without ever turning on its radar?


It's looking more and more like it's not the oxygen generator, as the latest reports have ground-crew suffering from the same symptoms.

I suspect toxic by-products from the RAM, or even whatever they're using to shield the IR signature from the exhaust.

b2theory: cameroncrazy1984: b2theory: Sorry, I didnt know you weren't from the US. You are correct. Your country doesn't have anything that approaches the F-22

Oh, no, I'm from the US. The F-22 would actually have to fly on something like a regular basis to be considered the best.

So when they sort out the oxygen generator glitch it will finally regain its stealth, super cruise, super maneuverability, low probability of intercept radar, and the ability to track and engage without ever turning on its radar?

And then lose all of those advantages when hit by a complex weapon such as rain?

cptjeff: b2theory: cameroncrazy1984: b2theory: Sorry, I didnt know you weren't from the US. You are correct. Your country doesn't have anything that approaches the F-22

Oh, no, I'm from the US. The F-22 would actually have to fly on something like a regular basis to be considered the best.

So when they sort out the oxygen generator glitch it will finally regain its stealth, super cruise, super maneuverability, low probability of intercept radar, and the ability to track and engage without ever turning on its radar?

And then lose all of those advantages when hit by a complex weapon such as rain?

The F-22 is a great example of "Superiority." Link. One of the few short stories I like. I like big sweeping space opera; short stories always seem so shallow.

This, however, is the greatest short story ever written, just for the ending.

doglover: I don't really get you "Stop sucking Israel's dick." guys. REALLY?

Well, you're missing a few key points here:

1) We don't use any oil from Iran. The problem comes from other countries buying up the oil we would normally use that buy Iranian oil, and speculators that can drive up the price very quickly if they want, instead of oil price being dictated by actual supply and demand.
2) You're forgetting that we're "friends" with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and technically Iraq. Those countries share interests with us and are much less likely to destabilize the entire region. Well, again, not really Iraq, but to say that Israel is our only friend is absurd when the Middle East is littered with active American bases, of which only a radar station and a port are in Israel.
3) Iran has no interest in destabilizing oil routes because they live and die by them. They aren't South Sudan, which has oil revenues constituting 99% of the GDP - or did until they shut down their oil trade over a dispute with Sudan - but in a war with Iran, those oil pipelines are an easy target and their hard currency dies quickly. It's already in bad shape due to the embargo we're doing right now. How bad do you think it will get if we would bomb the pipelines going to Russia and China? Don't think we won't.
4) For all the "threat" Iran poses, there is only two nuclear powers in the region, and only one country with strike potential. That's us and Israel. When all that power is on one side without a balance, it makes the other side very desperate and makes the whole region exceptionally unstable. It's why Iran wants a nuke, and I don't blame them. Israel commonly threatens the destruction of Iran just as much as Iran threatens the destruction of Israel, except Israel can actually carry out the threat. The quickest way to balance the powers in the region would be for us to back out of alliance with Israel and act as an unbiased party telling people to knock the shiat off. Russia and China kind of back Iran, but neither of those countries has the ability to really threaten the region. China doesn't have the projection and Russia doesn't have the resources to do it. Their military is literally rusting to death. In other words, the destabilizing force in the region is Israel, and by default us because we don't tell them to knock it the fark off.
5) You really can't pretend Israel is all love and roses about democracy when they're busy occupying another country, kicking people out of homes they've lived in for decades, and really not giving a fark who they hurt as long as they get more living room. If ANY other country in the world acted like Israel does to Palestine they would be an international pariah, with full sanctions and massive pressure to withdraw or face military action. I'm not saying Iran is good, but Israel is by no means better. They just abuse Palestinians instead of their own people.
6) We have demographics on our side in Iran in a big way. 30% of that country is young, and they LOVE America and democracy. What's more, that movement is slowly gaining ground through the destabilization of Iran through sanctions - peaceful means that are working very well. As previously noted, Iran's hard currency is already diving, unemployment is going up and people are getting pissed.

TL;DR - Iran is not your enemy and they are not a threat. Israel is no better than they are and probably worse because they can actually nuke people.

doglover: GAT_00: We don't use any oil from Iran

Because Iran exists in outer space and they have no effect on trade through the Persian Gulf.



I don't know why the fark I bothered. Go be closed minded somewhere else.

Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: Fark Me To Tears: I almost wish this dumbf*ck would start something. Seriously. He needs the sh*t smacked out of him.

so you're joining the infantry then?

I sincerely doubt boots will be on the ground for any contingency.*

*SEAL and other SpecOPS maybe.

I don't think people realize what a war with Iran is going to entail.

Last time we shelled the shiat out of their stuff it didn't require it, and they have the same stuff now they had before.

*shakes head*

never mind. i'm not in the mood to educate you right now. suffice to say it would be bad to pick a fight with Iran. I suggest we don't do it.

It's unlikely you have much to try to "teach" me, friend. I worked for the Navy, mostly in mine warfare. That happened to require some understanding of what Iran's capabilities are, which haven't likely changed in the last couple of years.

And I got a kick out of your reply.

It's pretty clear he's already made up his mind about what he wants to think and feels like he's here to educate us.

Ricardo Klement: I worked for the Navy, mostly in mine warfare

I had no idea the Navy's Minesweepers are planning on going up against the Iranian army. I figured we had better options than that.