FTFA: ohnson, a Republican who served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, is running on a platform that includes slashing government spending to balance the federal budget by 2013, ending wars the U.S. in involved in, and drug reform -- beginning with the legalization of marijuana but extending all the way to the war on drugs, drug policy, relations with Latin America, and even law enforcement policies and priorities

Fascinating. Almost tempting. Nobody will vote for him, though. Conservatives will be confused by his support for legalization of marijuana and liberals will be perplexed by slashing of spending without a peep on revenue. Libertarians themselves will be so divided on all the various issues that this guy will barely be a blip. Potheads and the young don't vote, so that about wraps it up.

There was a Libertarian in my district running for local government. The incumbent had no chance of losing so I voted for the Libertarian on a gag. I think he got about 16 or 17 votes total, but then again his campaign consisted of about twenty or so signs posted in the community and nothing else.

We don't need surprise sex. We already have a Republican promising to rape us.

Relatively Obscure: LOL no, but I have no problem with him being in the debates.

That. Would be. Hilarious. Especially the economic portion.

Dancin_In_Anson: I have a lot of customers from New Mexico that love he guy

I bet you do!

cman: If it wasn't illegal to do so, I would go around the US and suck off every man who would switch their vote to Gary Johnson

/damn electioneering laws

Why? He's another politician, and on top of that one who is actually promising that he will make a government that won't help people. That's absurd.

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: I have a lot of customers from New Mexico that love he guy

I bet you do!

What does DIA sell? Crazy pills? Tinfoil hat polish?

i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

cman: If it wasn't illegal to do so, I would go around the US and suck off every man who would switch their vote to Gary Johnson

/damn electioneering laws

Here's how you do it:

cman: "Man, it sure would be nice if people would vote for Gary Johnson! Oh, and I really can't control myself from sucking on guys' dicks if their pants are off."
Target: "I like Gary Johnson, and I plan on voting for him! Holy shiat, did you realize that my pants are off?"

CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

cman: GAT_00: cman: If it wasn't illegal to do so, I would go around the US and suck off every man who would switch their vote to Gary Johnson

/damn electioneering laws

Why? He's another politician, and on top of that one who is actually promising that he will make a government that won't help people. That's absurd.

You think the congress is hostile now? Just wait until a president is elected that does not belong to one of the two parties. This man who be beholden to the people for support, not the politicians in Washington

And nothing will get done if the majority party doesn't approve of it. If the majority are Democrats, then maybe a FEW of his good ideas would get through (but none of his really good ones, like legalization). If the Republicans had the majority, we'd just get the worst parts of his economic bullshiat.

None of which matters, because he doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell.

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: he will make a government that won't help people

Because without the help of government, people would be "In all certainty Going nowhere"

Well, not all people. Just the incapable.

'Incapable' meaning, of course, 'People who aren't already wealthy'.

casual disregard: CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

because elites obviously. everyone's libertarian, they just don't know how awesome ron paul ron paul RON PAUL RON PAUL WHITE SUPREMI--- sorry, almost lost control there.

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: he will make a government that won't help people

Because without the help of government, people would be "In all certainty Going nowhere"

Well, not all people. Just the incapable.

You're right. What have the Romans ever done for us!

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: he will make a government that won't help people

Because without the help of government, people would be "In all certainty Going nowhere"

Well, not all people. Just the incapable.

If you didn't live in a modern, civilized, governed society, you wouldn't even be here to talk about it. I've never met anyone who hated government who would survive fifteen minutes without it.

casual disregard: CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

You have to remember that, while there are over twelve billion Libertarians in America, almost all of them are in the fourth dimension.

I got to meet Gary Johnson 3 or 4 times (used to produce an AM Radio show in Manchester, NH- I know, CSB). He's a smart guy, and he doesn't bullshiat- or it least it APPEARS he doesn't bullshiat.

Someone called in whole he was on the show (He was running for GOP nom at the time) and asked what the difference between he and Ron Paul was. Gary's answer was basically that Ron Paul just voted "no" in congress constantly, while as Governor of NM, Gary actually had to, you know, get shiat done.

I'm as lefty as they come, but Gary Johnson's a good man, and I wouldn't be upset if he was president.

Johnson will pull some naive pothead voters from the left and a lot of Republicans too ashamed to call themselves that anymore who can't seem to find their way to supporting the Dems.

The total number's he'll pull will be negligible so it will mostly end up just being a wash albeit slightly in the Dem's favor.

Would like to see him in a few debates though.

jso2897: If you didn't live in a modern, civilized, governed society, you wouldn't even be here to talk about it. I've never met anyone who hated government who would survive fifteen minutes without it.

This.

My grandfather was born in 1919. He swore he drank and smoked every day since he was 11 years old. He was an army grunt in WW2, a coal miner, and a farmer. Built his own house and every building on his property except for that new fangled pre-fab steel garage. Grew and raised his own food until into his 70s, when he finally got too old to wrangle cows on horseback. If there was anyone who could live without government, it was him. An idyllic mountain man who didn't need anything from anyone, and was happy most of the time, even moreso with a little homebrewed whiskey in him. On finding out my grandmother, his wife, had passed away after 71 years together, his exact words were 'God dammit." He died at 92.

He voted Democrat in every election since FDR's first term, up to and including Barack Obama. Having grown up during the Depression and later in the coal mines, he knew private enterprise wasn't interested in helping anyone out, and sometimes you had to make people work together.

quatchi: Johnson will pull some naive pothead voters from the left and a lot of Republicans too ashamed to call themselves that anymore who can't seem to find their way to supporting the Dems.

The total number's he'll pull will be negligible so it will mostly end up just being a wash albeit slightly in the Dem's favor.

Would like to see him in a few debates though.

I thought we did see him in a few debates, and the general consensus was that folks were not impressed last year :\ Some wag actually called him a stoner. What happened that folks are showing Johnson the love again?

Sergeant Grumbles: jso2897: If you didn't live in a modern, civilized, governed society, you wouldn't even be here to talk about it. I've never met anyone who hated government who would survive fifteen minutes without it.

This.

My grandfather was born in 1919. He swore he drank and smoked every day since he was 11 years old. He was an army grunt in WW2, a coal miner, and a farmer. Built his own house and every building on his property except for that new fangled pre-fab steel garage. Grew and raised his own food until into his 70s, when he finally got too old to wrangle cows on horseback. If there was anyone who could live without government, it was him. An idyllic mountain man who didn't need anything from anyone, and was happy most of the time, even moreso with a little homebrewed whiskey in him. On finding out my grandmother, his wife, had passed away after 71 years together, his exact words were 'God dammit." He died at 92.

He voted Democrat in every election since FDR's first term, up to and including Barack Obama. Having grown up during the Depression and later in the coal mines, he knew private enterprise wasn't interested in helping anyone out, and sometimes you had to make people work together.

The government gave him, his wife and their children no benefits for being in the military, or he declined all of them for himself and them on their behalf?

/nobody does it alone

Dancin_In_Anson: Besides commission a study to study how much is spent to produce studies? Well, you do have a point

You're right. Why would anyone ever want to know that?

Is this guy sane or is he an Ayn Rand, I've got mine now fark off, bat shiat crazy nutcase?

Dancin_In_Anson: Sergeant Grumbles: he knew private enterprise wasn't interested in helping anyone out

And yet was the complete embodiment of it.

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Private enterprise *isn't* interested in helping anyone out that isn't a shareholder. It may help now and then, but in the end, profit comes first. Whenever they can get away with it, they WILL screw people over if they can make even 1% more profit from doing so. And without the government or unions to keep them in check, they would go straight back to Gilded Age levels of abuse.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The government gave him, his wife and their children no benefits for being in the military, or he declined all of them for himself and them on their behalf?

/nobody does it alone

Eh.... try and keep up.
I said he could survive without government, not that he wanted to.

casual disregard: CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

There are 151. In a country this size yeah, that is 'almost zero'. But that is due mostly to how the R and D parties have corrupted the process with laws that make alternative parties all but illegal. The laws do not say it outright, but the effect is the same.

It didn't used to be that way.

tomWright: casual disregard: CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

There are 151. In a country this size yeah, that is 'almost zero'. But that is due mostly to how the R and D parties have corrupted the process with laws that make alternative parties all but illegal. The laws do not say it outright, but the effect is the same.

It didn't used to be that way.

Alas, it's really because "I'vegotmineism" is mostly a party of nutters.

...ending wars the U.S. in involved in...

...issues that neither of the two major candidates President Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are pursuing right now.

Considering that Obama ended one war and is planning to end the other one in his second term, I wouldn't say this is an issue that he's not pursuing.

Also, Fox needs a better proofreader for their website. I see "in" where "is" should be and "are" where "is" should be

ExperianScaresCthulhu: quatchi: Johnson will pull some naive pothead voters from the left and a lot of Republicans too ashamed to call themselves that anymore who can't seem to find their way to supporting the Dems.

The total number's he'll pull will be negligible so it will mostly end up just being a wash albeit slightly in the Dem's favor.

Would like to see him in a few debates though.

I thought we did see him in a few debates, and the general consensus was that folks were not impressed last year :\ Some wag actually called him a stoner. What happened that folks are showing Johnson the love again?

I'm talking debates for the General not the GOP primary although I did catch him in those. Like a lot of folks I found some of what he had to say interesting but if you break his voting record down he's pretty much just a lockstep GOPher despite apparently disagreeing with them on a whole slate of issues.

His support for Ryan's slash and burn suicide pact er Budget was kinda the straw that broke the camel's back there.

quatchi: Like a lot of folks I found some of what he had to say interesting but if you break his voting record down he's pretty much just a lockstep GOPher despite apparently disagreeing with them on a whole slate of issues

He's like Ron Paul in a lot of respects.

Sergeant Grumbles: jso2897: If you didn't live in a modern, civilized, governed society, you wouldn't even be here to talk about it. I've never met anyone who hated government who would survive fifteen minutes without it.

This.

My grandfather was born in 1919. He swore he drank and smoked every day since he was 11 years old. He was an army grunt in WW2, a coal miner, and a farmer. Built his own house and every building on his property except for that new fangled pre-fab steel garage. Grew and raised his own food until into his 70s, when he finally got too old to wrangle cows on horseback. If there was anyone who could live without government, it was him. An idyllic mountain man who didn't need anything from anyone, and was happy most of the time, even moreso with a little homebrewed whiskey in him. On finding out my grandmother, his wife, had passed away after 71 years together, his exact words were 'God dammit." He died at 92.

He voted Democrat in every election since FDR's first term, up to and including Barack Obama. Having grown up during the Depression and later in the coal mines, he knew private enterprise wasn't interested in helping anyone out, and sometimes you had to make people work together.

THESE.

Cool story, Bro, even if some folk missed the point.

cman: GAT_00: cman: If it wasn't illegal to do so, I would go around the US and suck off every man who would switch their vote to Gary Johnson

/damn electioneering laws

Why? He's another politician, and on top of that one who is actually promising that he will make a government that won't help people. That's absurd.

You think the congress is hostile now? Just wait until a president is elected that does not belong to one of the two parties. This man who be beholden to the people for support, not the politicians in Washington

They'd just impeach him for some made up reason and remove him from office same with his VP and make the speaker of the house president.

ghare: tomWright: casual disregard: CapnBlues: i've met over a million people in my life, and they were all libertarians.

I can see that, truthfully, but then why are there almost zero Libertarian elected officials, especially on the national stage?

There are 151. In a country this size yeah, that is 'almost zero'. But that is due mostly to how the R and D parties have corrupted the process with laws that make alternative parties all but illegal. The laws do not say it outright, but the effect is the same.

It didn't used to be that way.

Alas, it's really because "I'vegotmineism" is mostly a party of nutters.

Yeah, there is a bit of that in all small parties. The nuts stand out and get more say than they deserve. there are nuts in the big parties too, they just tend to disappear into the background most of the time. Except maybe when they run for president.

leohat: Is this guy sane or is he an Ayn Rand, I've got mine now fark off, bat shiat crazy nutcase?

Sane. Has some NOT so stellar economic ideas sprinkled into some very sane, very practical ideas.

Im a lefty, evil lib, but NM under him flourished. He was an excellent Governor, worked with both parties, and always tried to do what was right for the states people.

///Regestered Dem, and LOVE the guy.
///He actually listens, learns, and THEN makes sane policy decisions
///Really wish we could get him back in Santa Fe :/

Dancin_In_Anson: LordJiro: 'Incapable' meaning, of course, 'People who aren't already wealthy'.

This is what you really believe. How tragic.

cameroncrazy1984: What have the Romans ever done for us!

Besides commission a study to study how much is spent to produce studies? Well, you do have a point.

jso2897: If you didn't live in a modern, civilized, governed society

Which we never had before now, right?

Not before your soft, pampered little ass was born, we didn't. Otherwise, like I said - you wouldn't be here. Neither would I, but at least I've got the sense to know it. We are modern people, and we are products of civilization, and depend upon it to live as civilized men and indeed, at all.
The idea that government is something disposable to modern men is preposterous to the point of being infantile. Government is not innately evil or oppressive, any more than business is innately predatory or fraudulent - and to believe that it is, is to be an intellectual child.