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2012-05-12 09:21:01 PM  

Dwight_Yeast:
/It's been nice, but it would be netter if you'd go back to wherever the fark you've been; things were quite pleasant without you. Cheery bye-bye!


Hey, that's not cool. Disagree with him, but he isn't anywhere near as bad as the typical political tab dissenting voice.

Although everyone gets a demerit for the off-topic discussion, including me now.
 
2012-05-12 09:21:56 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Linux_Yes: that doesn't change any facts just because you chose to ignore them.

No, you made an assertion. You need to support it with a citation or citations for it to be considered a fact.

I'm not ignoring anything; show me the study and I'll be happy to discuss it. Tell me "go look for it yourself" is like "proving" the existence of fairies at the bottom of your garden by handing someone a flashlight.

/It's been nice, but it would be netter if you'd go back to wherever the fark you've been; things were quite pleasant without you. Cheery bye-bye!




if i had my way. all Republicans would smoke weed on a daily basis. that way, they'd be at a huge disadvantage in the brain department. and that would make things much easier for the Progressives. course, it would take a couple of years to have the right effect.

that's the beauty of mind alerting substances. often, the changes in the brain as a result of using them are Permanent.

i'm not against drugs. just know that what you put in your head could cause permanent, subtle changes that aren't necessarily a good thing.

hell, do meth. you can really screw your brain up in a matter of months. why take 1 to 3 years with weed? get it done fast.
 
2012-05-12 09:22:10 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Samuel Beale's Ghost: Sorry, here is the Link

From the link:

So far, this research shows only an association between smoking pot and developing psychosis or schizophrenia later on. That's not the same thing as saying that marijuana causes psychosis.

which is what I said upthread, and which conclusively proves Linux_Yes wrong, as usual.


Well, not really, association studies, while not designed to show a causal relationship, can point to interesting areas for further study. The statement that pot smoking my cause psychosis have several things to support it. First, these were prospective studies (enrolling subjects randomly, then following over time to see who develops psychosis) as opposed to retrospective studies (enrolling normal and affected subjects, then asking how they are different) which allow for stronger conclusion to be drawn. Second, in the link I provided, it isn't just one study, it is multiple studies coming with the same conclusion.

All that being said, you are correct that these studies need to be viewed with caution and not over interpreted.
 
2012-05-12 09:24:07 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Although everyone gets a demerit for the off-topic discussion


Going off-topic and babbling like a Left-Wing conspiracy theorist is all he's ever managed to do around here.

I'll take the thread-shiatting trolls, as at least they make some sort of sense. Even.......

................forever!

(best part)
 
2012-05-12 09:25:46 PM  

Linux_Yes: Dwight_Yeast: Linux_Yes: that doesn't change any facts just because you chose to ignore them.

No, you made an assertion. You need to support it with a citation or citations for it to be considered a fact.

I'm not ignoring anything; show me the study and I'll be happy to discuss it. Tell me "go look for it yourself" is like "proving" the existence of fairies at the bottom of your garden by handing someone a flashlight.

/It's been nice, but it would be netter if you'd go back to wherever the fark you've been; things were quite pleasant without you. Cheery bye-bye!



if i had my way. all Republicans would smoke weed on a daily basis. that way, they'd be at a huge disadvantage in the brain department. and that would make things much easier for the Progressives. course, it would take a couple of years to have the right effect.

that's the beauty of mind alerting substances. often, the changes in the brain as a result of using them are Permanent.

i'm not against drugs. just know that what you put in your head could cause permanent, subtle changes that aren't necessarily a good thing.

hell, do meth. you can really screw your brain up in a matter of months. why take 1 to 3 years with weed? get it done fast.


When no one else in a thread seems to come anywhere near agreeing with me, I usually step back and ask why.

The answer is never "because I'm right and smarter than they are, and they don't want to admit it."
 
2012-05-12 09:26:00 PM  

Linux_Yes:

i'm not against drugs. just know that what you put in your head could cause permanent, subtle changes that aren't necessarily a good thing.

hell, do meth. you can really screw your brain up in a matter of months. why take 1 to 3 years with weed? get it done fast.


So what kind of drugs have you been on to make you this stupid? Are you seriously suggesting anyone who has ever smoked pot for more than 3 years has brain damage or a mental illness?
 
2012-05-12 09:26:27 PM  

randomjsa: This would be why liberals don't have a clue what conservatives think or believe while conservatives know precisely what liberals think and believe. We don't have to delude ourselves in to thinking liberals are something other than what they actually are in order to be against everything they stand for and we don't need to twist and pervert their beliefs in our own minds in order to make what we think seem more acceptable.


Give me a farking break...
 
2012-05-12 09:27:04 PM  

vossiewulf: The issue is that it has become extraordinarily difficult to distinguish between someone who is mentally ill and someone who is an honest racist gay-hating tea party GOP Real American™.


Came for this, satisfied in three!
 
2012-05-12 09:27:28 PM  
It's sad that people who are certifiably mentally ill cannot receive the help they truly need. I don't say that because she holds political opinions I disagree with, I say that because she's a schizophrenic who is not being cared for properly. Most schizophrenics can be somewhat functional in society if they're undergoing some combination of drug therapy and outpatient therapy. This woman doesn't sound like she's getting either, which is unfair to her, politics aside. She could be some Code Pink nutso who thinks Bush blew up the World Trade Center, and I'd be saying the same exact thing.

Allowing people with severe mental impairments to embarrass and humiliate themselves like this because it would be funny to people on the outside is cruel and inhumane, IMO. There's a difference between Jane Svoboda and Rush Limbaugh. It's like making an organ grinder's monkey dance for you if you play the right tune. "Haha, let's watch the crazy lady say crazy shiat and laugh!"
 
2012-05-12 09:27:35 PM  

Samuel Beale's Ghost: Well, not really, association studies, while not designed to show a causal relationship, can point to interesting areas for further study. The statement that pot smoking my cause psychosis have several things to support it. First, these were prospective studies (enrolling subjects randomly, then following over time to see who develops psychosis) as opposed to retrospective studies (enrolling normal and affected subjects, then asking how they are different) which allow for stronger conclusion to be drawn. Second, in the link I provided, it isn't just one study, it is multiple studies coming with the same conclusion.


As I pointed out, they're not taking into account the fact that people with mental illness (even if they're not aware they're mentally ill) are prone to self-medicate.
 
2012-05-12 09:28:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: oh, and weed greatly increases the chances of getting Schizophrenia in young, developing brains. the studies over the last 20 or 30 years show a clear link between weed and schiz.


I did what you told Weaver95 to do and looked into it myself. It seems these studies you're talking about don't show an increase at all. There are apparently links between weed and schizophrenia, but I'll just say this one thing.

The amount of weed being smoked in the past 80 years has increased, while the amount of people that have schizophrenia has not(1% of population).

Please, stop making shiat up and kindly jump off of a bridge
 
2012-05-12 09:28:45 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Yeah no. Locked in syndrome.


Yeah, Yeah. I'd rather be paralyzed than lose my self.
 
2012-05-12 09:29:19 PM  

turbidum: The answer is never "because I'm right and smarter than they are, and they don't want to admit it."


No, because that would suggest that you suffer from some sort of delusional mental illness.

/like Linux does
 
2012-05-12 09:29:33 PM  
So is the remix any good?
 
2012-05-12 09:30:04 PM  
Gyrfalcon

Thanks for your response. A few things:

A five-year old may certainly have something valuable things to say, but it wouldn't be right to let them to speak or testify independently since it's unlikely that they would be able to organize their thoughts in a manner that actually gets a useful message across. I would be fine with them speaking alongside an adult (a parent or guardian, perhaps) who can properly introduce the child and provide some context to their statements. In the case of this lady, that person would be her guardian, and the minimum context provided should include some details about her mental state.

As to your WND comparison - it is of course true that WND's articles and comments will regularly include things that make even less sense than what this lady said. They key detail, however, isn't whether some other party feels that the statements themselves are "crazy" or what have you (and I feel that i may not have communicated this point clearly enough early on) but whether there's reason to doubt that the person making the statements believes and reasonably understands the things that they are saying. When this lady's caretaker says that "anything she says is certifiably schizophrenic" and chides people for mocking and criticizing her statements, it indicates to me that there is perhaps some doubt here.
 
2012-05-12 09:30:28 PM  

Linux_Yes: Dwight_Yeast: Samuel Beale's Ghost: Sorry, here is the Link

From the link:

So far, this research shows only an association between smoking pot and developing psychosis or schizophrenia later on. That's not the same thing as saying that marijuana causes psychosis.

which is what I said upthread, and which conclusively proves Linux_Yes wrong, as usual.


look closer........you can't read the leaves (no pun intended) because the forest is in the way....


I think we've found the crazy lady's fark handle.
 
2012-05-12 09:31:43 PM  

apoptotic: Actually comes across more like you're suggesting that the actual caretakers for such people should be required to prevent them from speaking.


Why would you think that?
 
2012-05-12 09:32:29 PM  

friday13: Gyrfalcon: Shaggy_C: If it wasn't for Reagan shutting down the asylums she wouldn't be out there ranting and raving her bigoted crap. This is all republican fault.

Sure she would. She's totally sane enough to be out in the streets.

Where are you people getting the idea that being mentally ill somehow means you get locked up for life? This woman is no crazier than, well, I am (on a bad day). She's a bit less functional, of course, but if she had the right med combo, I bet she would have a stable day job. The only thing nutty about her that I can see is, well...

Nothing.

Considering that I'm in a similar boat, though apparently one that is a LOT more watertight:

Are you blind, deaf, or just ignorant (emphasis on the "ignore" part)? What part of her tirade ISN'T batshiat farking crazy?


I didn't say her tirade wasn't insane. I said SHE wasn't.

I mean, really. I've said it three times. How is this woman more bizarre than any freak who, let's say, might have his own radio show and be heard nationwide by six million listeners every week?
 
2012-05-12 09:32:30 PM  

James F. Campbell: Gyrfalcon: But keeping her out because she's crazy would not be reasonable.

What does a democracy gain in tolerating evil, ignorant, or crazy people?


Um. Homosexuality has long been considered evil and, until fairly recently, was clinically categorized as "crazy." And now here we are, evolved enough as a society to recognize that the ramblings she has against it are, themselves, unacceptable.

Would we have gotten here with a tradition of repressing, legally in addition to socially, the "evil" and "crazy" people speaking on their behalf?

Additionally, allowing the people with the crazy and evil notions to speak out in a public forum allows us to respond. It's when they take dehumanizing, violent, crazy rhetoric behind closed doors and into echo chambers with no possibility for those who disagree to respond that the stage is set for tragedy.

Even so, it may be not so much what a democracy has to gain in allowing the categories you mention to speak in a public forum as how much it has to lose in constructing and enforcing rules to disallow it. Especially if you consider freedom a hallmark of a healthy democracy.
 
2012-05-12 09:34:08 PM  
So is Linux_Yes this thread's crazy old lady?
 
2012-05-12 09:35:50 PM  

Biological Ali: Gyrfalcon

Thanks for your response. A few things:

A five-year old may certainly have something valuable things to say, but it wouldn't be right to let them to speak or testify independently since it's unlikely that they would be able to organize their thoughts in a manner that actually gets a useful message across. I would be fine with them speaking alongside an adult (a parent or guardian, perhaps) who can properly introduce the child and provide some context to their statements. In the case of this lady, that person would be her guardian, and the minimum context provided should include some details about her mental state.

As to your WND comparison - it is of course true that WND's articles and comments will regularly include things that make even less sense than what this lady said. They key detail, however, isn't whether some other party feels that the statements themselves are "crazy" or what have you (and I feel that i may not have communicated this point clearly enough early on) but whether there's reason to doubt that the person making the statements believes and reasonably understands the things that they are saying. When this lady's caretaker says that "anything she says is certifiably schizophrenic" and chides people for mocking and criticizing her statements, it indicates to me that there is perhaps some doubt here.


True enough. Thank you for correcting me, and for understanding.
 
2012-05-12 09:38:12 PM  
Why would you want college students to have single occupancy dorm rooms if you were worried about them being turned gay by their same-sex roommates? Wouldn't it make much more sense to just require everyone else to have a roommate of the opposite sex? That way, not only do you prevent straight students from being turned gay, you might also turn a few homos back towards the light.
 
2012-05-12 09:38:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I mean, really. I've said it three times. How is this woman more bizarre than any freak who, let's say, might have his own radio show and be heard nationwide by six million listeners every week?


She's honestly mentally ill (as is Glenn Beck). Hannity and O"Reilly are just self-promoting assholes who put on an act because it makes them money. Wtach O'Reilly the next time he's on The Daily Show, and you can see how he has to work to keep the facade up.

And if you don't think people would fall for such an act here's a CSB: when I was a kid, my grandfather would watch All In Family, because he loved and completely agreed with the Archie Bunker character. He was a smart man and a self-made millionaire, but he apparently didn't understand that Carrol O'Connor was just playing a character who was designed to be an object of ridicule and as extreme as possible.
 
2012-05-12 09:38:52 PM  
Liberal guilt? It wasn't the liberals that gutted the mental health care system in this country. It was Reagan.

I spent 20 years caring for a schizophrenic cousin, fighting for every scrap of help I could get for her from a system that would rather have these people roam the streets homeless. Tell me again how farking guilty I should feel.
 
2012-05-12 09:38:59 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Samuel Beale's Ghost: Well, not really, association studies, while not designed to show a causal relationship, can point to interesting areas for further study. The statement that pot smoking my cause psychosis have several things to support it. First, these were prospective studies (enrolling subjects randomly, then following over time to see who develops psychosis) as opposed to retrospective studies (enrolling normal and affected subjects, then asking how they are different) which allow for stronger conclusion to be drawn. Second, in the link I provided, it isn't just one study, it is multiple studies coming with the same conclusion.

As I pointed out, they're not taking into account the fact that people with mental illness (even if they're not aware they're mentally ill) are prone to self-medicate.


That is a valid point and I have not looked at the original studies to see for sure. But the fact that these were prospective studies suggests to me that at the original recruitment, those that had overt symptoms of psychosis would not have been eligible for inclusion into the studies.

But your point is valid because those individuals that did not have overt symptoms may have, in fact, been already going down the road towards psychosis and this may have contributed to their smoking pot to a greater extent than those that are not predisposed. One thing that favors this thought is the fast that in one of these studies, the greatest association was in subjects that had a family member affected with psychosis.

That being said, the fact that there are several positive association studies does give rationale for pursuing further mechanistic studies.
 
2012-05-12 09:41:03 PM  
I have absolutely nothing against marijuana. I think it should be legal. But, pot smokers are the most boring critters on the face of the intarwebs.
 
2012-05-12 09:41:56 PM  
I assumed that was the case after the first 10 seconds of her speaking.
 
2012-05-12 09:43:47 PM  
Republicans really hate personal responsibility. Sad. I pity them
 
2012-05-12 09:44:20 PM  

weezbo: Um. Homosexuality has long been considered evil and, until fairly recently, was clinically categorized as "crazy." And now here we are, evolved enough as a society to recognize that the ramblings she has against it are, themselves, unacceptable.


In the history of western civilization, homosexuality has only been seen as "evil" since the rise of Pauline Christianity in the 200s. And really, it tended to be ignored in most places until the retrenchment of the Catholic Church during the Counter-Reformation in the 1600s.

It was classified as a mental illness because the people who founded our modern mental health profession had bourgeois Victorian morals (I'm looking at you, Freud).

What we've seen in the last 110 years or so is not a sudden acceptance of homosexuality, but a return (more or less) to a status quo which has been ignored for about 500 years.
 
2012-05-12 09:46:12 PM  

MorrisBird: I have absolutely nothing against marijuana. I think it should be legal. But, pot smokers are the most boring critters on the face of the intarwebs.


Come on, dude, chill out. Pass me the Doritos, will ya?
 
2012-05-12 09:47:51 PM  
It does not matter. Whether sane or not, she will cast a vote. Her vote will be based on batshmrtt crazy.
 
2012-05-12 09:48:30 PM  
It's pretty obvious to anyone that she was batshiat insane

Trouble is half her talking points are straight from the Religious Right. The other half made a bit of sense.
 
2012-05-12 09:48:33 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Linux_Yes: oh, and weed greatly increases the chances of getting Schizophrenia in young, developing brains. the studies over the last 20 or 30 years show a clear link between weed and schiz.

[citation needed]

I've read about some of those studies and they all agree on one thing: they can't draw a direct correlation between drug use and mental illness, as the mentally ill frequently self-medicate (and I can personally attest to that).


Same here. That's why I smoke. It's much cheaper, and much more effective dealing with my mental crossed wires than any of the roughly 20 different meds they tried out on me for years. Was taking medications, went to psych ward four times in a couple years. Started smoking, haven't seen a psych ward in over five years. Suck on that anyone claiming that weed causes mental illness. It may, in some cases, make things worse for those with mental issues, but it does help others with their issues. I think it's like any medicine. How it works for you and your issues depends on body chemistry.
 
2012-05-12 09:49:56 PM  

Christian Bale: Trouble is half her talking points are straight from the Religious Right. The other half made a bit of sense.


I definitely support a cadre of lesbian seductresses in dorm rooms across the US... live webcam, small monthly fee perhaps...
 
2012-05-12 09:51:57 PM  

PsiChick:
It might give me a bad taste in my mouth, but is it ethical to choose revenge over helping people?

/Serious question. I don't know.


It's normal human behavior and very hard to feel differently, but it's not very becoming of a liberal.
The prison "punishment vs. rehabilitation" debate is related. Sounds easy, but I fortunately haven't had a loved one raped or killed so my emotions aren't involved.
 
2012-05-12 09:52:11 PM  

Biological Ali: apoptotic: Actually comes across more like you're suggesting that the actual caretakers for such people should be required to prevent them from speaking.

Why would you think that?


Because whether its for their own protection or society's convenience, from what you've said in this thread it seems to me as if on this topic your primary concern is in ensuring that people like Svoboda not be allowed to exercise their right to speak publicly. After other posters disputed your assertion that it was constitutional to apply mental competency requirements to public forums, you came at it from another angle and said

Biological Ali: I would expect the actual caretakers of people such as this lady to bear the primary responsibility of keeping them out of situations like tehse.

 
2012-05-12 09:52:50 PM  
Whoops wrong thread. heh
Having two gay threads (NTTAWWT) at once is confusing
 
2012-05-12 09:53:44 PM  

Samuel Beale's Ghost: That is a valid point and I have not looked at the original studies to see for sure. But the fact that these were prospective studies suggests to me that at the original recruitment, those that had overt symptoms of psychosis would not have been eligible for inclusion into the studies.


An anecdote (which I know is not the same as data): I smoked a lot of pot in high school, but have never had issues with psychosis. Shortly after I got to college (and found I could no longer smoke pot) I went into a deep period of depression which ended with me dropping out. Once I got home, I started to exhibit what might have been seen as psychotic behavior, but what was actually a severe manic episode.

No one suggested I was crazy or thought I needed help; I eventually had to demand it, and I can tell you, if you're not blazingly full-bore insane, it's very hard to get good professional mental health care in this country. It took another five years and several doctors before I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but the doc I was seeing didn't give me the right meds, so I went untreated for another ten years, until I got to the point where I could no longer deal with the burden of being crazy some of the time (and drinking like a fish to cope) and finally sought out treatment on my own.

On th upside, I'm really not that crazy and I've got a very good doctor now, but it's kind of hard to come to terms with being sane all the time; I'm just not used to it.
 
2012-05-12 09:54:52 PM  

whatsupchuck: Liberal guilt? It wasn't the liberals that gutted the mental health care system in this country. It was Reagan.

I spent 20 years caring for a schizophrenic cousin, fighting for every scrap of help I could get for her from a system that would rather have these people roam the streets homeless. Tell me again how farking guilty I should feel.



you got that fookin' right. Ronnie started the whole "f*ck all you people and f*ck America, where's my tax cuts and my money??"

this Nation is full of red white and blue sh*t when it comes to caring for the mentally ill. used to be ~800,000 beds for mentally ill people in hospitals, now there are only around 40.000. cost too much. the wealthy American turds who own this Nation and OUR government wanted their tax cuts. because, after all, its all about THEM and what THEY want.

most mentally ill now end up in Prison or the street. pathetic in such a wealthy nation as ours. pathetic.

but that's ok, i'll never stand when the National Anthem plays again. those days are over for me. this Nation doesn't value its own citizens anymore (unless they're rich, of course) this nation only values wealth and capital. people don't mean anything.

don't get me wrong, Obama, et al. are trying to bring things back to reasonableness again, but the odds are against them.

you can't fix a f*cked up crony capitalist pig. they are psychopaths.

greatest country on earth??? nope. Has beens. used to be. Red China is going to kick our collective asses good in 10 to 20 years.
 
2012-05-12 09:55:45 PM  

Linux_Yes: Linux_Yes: Schizophrenia is some serious sh*t. the worst of all mental illnesses.

i knew a girl who had it. their brains don't process information like a normal brain. they think and say things that don't make sense to anyone else. they have trouble separating what is real from what is not real. almost like was it a dream or did it really happen kind of thing. its freaky and there is no cure for it. most patients get the illness in their teens and early twenties. so watch out all you young Farkers.

oh, and weed greatly increases the chances of getting Schizophrenia in young, developing brains. the studies over the last 20 or 30 years show a clear link between weed and schiz.


so think about that one next time you want to blow a joint, kiddies.


Like there are posters on Fark who still believe that Linux_Yes isn't a raging right-winger pretending to be a progressive lib...
 
2012-05-12 09:56:38 PM  

winterwhile's alt: weezbo: Um. Homosexuality has long been considered evil and, until fairly recently, was clinically categorized as "crazy." And now here we are, evolved enough as a society to recognize that the ramblings she has against it are, themselves, unacceptable.

In the history of western civilization, homosexuality has only been seen as "evil" since the rise of Pauline Christianity in the 200s. And really, it tended to be ignored in most places until the retrenchment of the Catholic Church during the Counter-Reformation in the 1600s.

It was classified as a mental illness because the people who founded our modern mental health profession had bourgeois Victorian morals (I'm looking at you, Freud).

What we've seen in the last 110 years or so is not a sudden acceptance of homosexuality, but a return (more or less) to a status quo which has been ignored for about 500 years.


If you think the entrance of homosexuality into the mainstream of western society isn't new, you are truly an idiot.
 
2012-05-12 09:58:10 PM  
Subby here. I posted this item because I've met this woman and because I thought it was important to take a second look at the story. The headline ("liberal guilt") is 1/2 trolltastic and 1/2 wistfully tongue in cheek. I'm a liberal, and if there ever was a time to feel liberal guilt, it would be after watching ourselves mock Ms. Svoboda.

I'm a little shocked to see all the comments to the effect that she should be locked up, and very, very heartened to see the comments reminding people that this woman, who does not represent any danger to anyone, has human rights. It should not be illegal to be mentally ill. (I liked the LJS' note that the city council is used to her and lets her speak quite regularly.)

I don't know Ms. Svoboda's case personally or who's been involved in her mental health care. She would probably act differently if she were regularly taking antipsychotic medication, but, as long as she is not in danger nor dangerous, she has the right not to do so. I've worked with people like her and I know how heart-wrenching and difficult it can be for family members to stand by and watch this happen, but my take is that liberty ain't always pretty.

Thanks for listening, Farkers, and thanks for being your usual kind, snarky, compassionate, cruel selves. This is why I've stuck around so long and why I continue to waste so much time here despite all the things I should be doing instead.

(plus: Yay! My first approved link!)
 
2012-05-12 10:00:39 PM  

PsychoTherapist: I'm a little shocked to see all the comments to the effect that she should be locked up, and very, very heartened to see the comments reminding people that this woman, who does not represent any danger to anyone, has human rights.


I don't think she should be locked up, but this speech she made to the council really does have to be her last, given the circumstances.

When free speech becomes incoherent hate filled slander, it crosses the line.
 
2012-05-12 10:01:12 PM  
Why would I feel guilty because others called a crazy person "crazy?" Gee, her irrational hate is driven by mental instability - what a surprise. She needs help, obviously, but her being crazy doesn't excuse the vitriolic shash spewed by her - it's a reason, not an excuse.

vossiewulf: The issue is that it has become extraordinarily difficult to distinguish between someone who is mentally ill and someone who is an honest racist gay-hating tea party GOP Real American™.


And, this.
 
2012-05-12 10:01:38 PM  

Happy Hours: Linux_Yes: oh, and weed greatly increases the chances of getting Schizophrenia in young, developing brains. the studies over the last 20 or 30 years show a clear link between weed and schiz.

causation/correlation blah blah blah - you're a farking moran!

#include


also if twice means 2 in a million instead of 1 in a million, i don't give a fark.
 
2012-05-12 10:02:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: oh, and weed greatly increases the chances of getting Schizophrenia in young, developing brains. the studies over the last 20 or 30 years show a clear link between weed and schiz.


I've read those studies, and they didn't use weed. They used extracts at very high dosages.
 
2012-05-12 10:03:01 PM  
Oh and on the whole pot/psychosis/mental illness thing, I'd also point to Mark Vonnegut's. Mark (Kurt's son) had a series of increasingly extreme psychotic episodes in the 1960s, in the middle of the counter-culture movement. Initially, they thought it was just the drugs he was taking, then when it kept happening, they thought he was psychotic and treated him accordingly, which made him worse and then better.

Eventually, he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated accordingly, which changed his life. He became a physician and has been (more or less) sane since.

Even when he wrote his first book, The Eden Express (which was before he was correctly diagnosed) he was certain that his drug use was caused by, not the cause of, his mental illness.
 
2012-05-12 10:03:02 PM  

PsychoTherapist: The headline ("liberal guilt") is 1/2 trolltastic and 1/2
wistfully tongue in cheek.


And 100% Grade A D-Bag material. Leave trolling to the experts.

Baz744: If you think the entrance of homosexuality into the mainstream of western society isn't new, you are truly an idiot.


i232.photobucket.com

Linux_Yes: Red China is going to kick our collective asses good in 10 to 20 years.


Finally, the international proletariat will demolish the bourgeois oppressors!.
 
2012-05-12 10:04:24 PM  

PsychoTherapist: I'm a little shocked to see all the comments to the effect that she should be locked up, and very, very heartened to see the comments reminding people that this woman, who does not represent any danger to anyone, has human rights. It should not be illegal to be mentally ill. (I liked the LJS' note that the city council is used to her and lets her speak quite regularly.)



welcome to the average American. unable to think about anything but himself and his cash. Empathy is going out. Greed and selfishness are the new hip words.

and we, as a Nation, will pay dearly in the long run.

but you can't really blame most Americans. they aren't smart enough to think for themselves. they prefer to let the advertisers on the boob toob tell them what to think and what they need to buy to be happy/content.
 
2012-05-12 10:04:53 PM  
Sooooo it's OK for retards to speak in public? This completely explains the Tea/Republican Party.
 
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