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(Sporting News)   Former Dolphin and current Bear Brandon Marshall says Miami's QB situation is foundationally solid and the WR corps can expect years of success. Just kidding. He said Jerry Rice in his prime wouldn't have succeeded there   (aol.sportingnews.com ) divider line
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2012-05-12 02:35:41 PM  
Is he wrong?
 
2012-05-12 04:59:25 PM  

SilentStrider: Is he wrong?


Not just this. But I clicked on the thread to write exactly - word for word - ^^this^^.
 
2012-05-12 05:14:47 PM  
Can we get a "no shiat" tag? It would be more fitting.
 
2012-05-12 05:15:38 PM  
I have a feeling Jerry Rice was a tad bit better than Brandon Marshall, and could have succeeded in areas where Marshall cannot.
 
2012-05-12 05:24:46 PM  
Id like to see a stat on Rice's dropped passes compared to Marshal's. I know Brandon dropped 7 or so touchdowns last year alone. No team can succeed if their "star" reciever has stone hands.
 
2012-05-12 05:27:03 PM  
What is it they say about a stopped watch?
 
2012-05-12 05:30:30 PM  
Another ten million dollar talent with a ten cent head. If he would have caught just half of the wide open passes that he dropped last year, the Dolphins would not have shipped his sorry ass off to Chicago. Just wait until the rabid and uber critical Bears fans get a load of his stone hands and disappearing for long stretches of the game act. The sorry SOB is going to be whining like a whipped puppy at how misunderstood he is.
 
2012-05-12 05:42:05 PM  
I guess the img1.fark.net & img1.fark.net tags must be enjoying the day at the beach
 
2012-05-12 05:47:58 PM  
So true. But, I'm not sold on the situation in Chicago either. Granted, its still better than in Miami.
 
2012-05-12 05:55:14 PM  

SilentStrider: Is he wrong?


Probably. Rice generally played better (or had better stats, at least) when his team's back-up QB was in. Presumably because the back-up targeted him more under the assumption that Rice was so good that he would bail their ass out.
 
2012-05-12 05:58:04 PM  

puffy999: I have a feeling Jerry Rice was a tad bit better than Brandon Marshall, and could have succeeded in areas where Marshall cannot.


While that is true, he's not wrong. Miami is terrible and doesn't look to be getting much better.
 
2012-05-12 06:05:45 PM  
So, I'd guess a Miami fan submitted this?
 
2012-05-12 06:23:51 PM  
He's probably not wrong, but he was right in the most douchebag way possible.
 
2012-05-12 06:28:48 PM  
And, yeah, guys like Brandon Marshall and Braylon Edwards have NO RIGHT to EVER complain about the quarterback. Even Terrell Owens lost most of his right because of the numerous easy catches he dropped over the course of his career.

Jerry Rice did not drop those. Hell, RANDY MOSS often didn't drop those (he just often wouldn't try hard enough to be in position to make the catch in the first place).
 
2012-05-12 07:32:12 PM  

puffy999: I have a feeling Jerry Rice was a tad bit better than Brandon Marshall, and could have succeeded in areas where Marshall cannot.


But that's not what he said. He said Rice couldn't have been successful in Miami. A chess player who says "Bobby Fischer himself couldn't have saved that game" isn't comparing himself to Fischer - it's just a comment on the hopelessness of the situation.
 
2012-05-12 07:37:13 PM  

Neeek: Rice generally played better (or had better stats, at least) when his team's back-up QB was in


Fair enough, but again, he was commenting on the hopelessness of the QB situation in Miami. JP Losman, Matt Moore, and Pat Devlin are not going to be successful in this league, regardless of the WRs and TEs they have to throw to, and regardless of the line protecting them.

Claude the Dog: He's probably not wrong, but he was right in the most douchebag way possible.


This is true.
 
2012-05-12 07:55:50 PM  
If your number one read is not in position your passing game is going to suck. Maybe he will be there for his buddy Cutler.
 
2012-05-12 08:50:07 PM  
Well, Brandon Marshall couldn't hold Jerry Rice's jock, and he had 1200 yards last year and a decent amount of TDs. If he actually held on to other TDs that were in his hands, he'd probably have been around 1400 yards with 12ish TDs.

If that's not being successful, good luck finding success elsewhere. Maybe your idiot ass can go commit some more crimes and you can go to jail and show what a great receiver you are there, Brandon.
 
2012-05-12 09:03:50 PM  

puffy999: I have a feeling Jerry Rice was a tad bit better than Brandon Marshall, and could have succeeded in areas where Marshall cannot.


Sure...but with Matt Moore as his QB?
 
2012-05-12 09:45:27 PM  

steamingpile: puffy999: I have a feeling Jerry Rice was a tad bit better than Brandon Marshall, and could have succeeded in areas where Marshall cannot.

While that is true, he's not wrong. Miami is terrible and doesn't look to be getting much better.


This is what comes of a GM who tries to build a team around players who's mothers who are all whores. A bold, bold plan Mr. Ireland. Horney dudes everywhere, salute you.
 
2012-05-12 10:06:18 PM  
I like Jerry Rice and he belongs in the conversation for greatest football player ever, but seriously, the sucking off on him is getting ridiculous in here.
Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat. Rice had Montana, Young, and Gannon throwing to him. Not to mention those 49ers teams had Roger Craig and Ricky Watters in the backfield.
I'm not saying Marshall is anywhere nearly as good as Rice, but very few WRs are blessed with 3 truly *great* quarterbacks during their career.
Also, Rice was a douche in the locker room probably just as much as Brandon Marshall. The media just didn't report on it 25 years ago like it does now.
 
2012-05-12 10:29:15 PM  

wholedamnshow: Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat


He put up numbers that were virtually identical to his numbers in Denver with Jay Cutler.

Matt Moore is a slightly above league-average QB for his career. Just like Jay Cutler. Moore actually had better numbers than Cutler did last year in only two more games than Cutler.

Reggie Bush put up 1100 yards for the Dolphins last year, and had more yards/carry than Matt Forte (5.0 YPC to 4.9 YPC).

But oh yeah, the Bears are a huge upgrade, as long as you ignore facts and base everything off of hype.
 
2012-05-12 10:58:46 PM  
wholedamnshow Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat.

The only part of this that is correct is that the rest of the Miami receivers are not all that great. The Dolphins were 11th in the league in rushing last year, with Reggie Bush putting up 1,086 yards and Daniel Thomas adding almost 600 more. And QB Matt Moore was decent as well, his 87.1 qb rating is in the middle of the pack amongst NFL starters and he had 16 TDs against 9 picks. Those stats would have been a whole lot better with a number one WR who could catch the ball consistently. He not only dropped a half dozen sure TD passes, he killed countless other drives where Moore or Henne would hit him right between the jersey numbers and he dropped the ball. The Dolphins lost 7 games by ten points or less last year, and in most of those games Marshall dropped a pass in a key situation, directly leading to a loss.

There is a very good reason why the Dolphins sent a guy with five straight 1,000+ year seasons packing for a measly two third round draft picks. The guy is an over hyped drama queen who either cannot or will not produce in the clutch.
If the Bears can get any use out of this knothead, I will be mighty surprised.
 
2012-05-12 11:12:51 PM  

Babwa Wawa: SilentStrider: Is he wrong?

Not just this. But I clicked on the thread to write exactly - word for word - ^^this^^.


I was going to type "He's right". But I'm just a definitive kind of guy.
 
2012-05-13 01:10:50 AM  

IAmRight: wholedamnshow: Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat

He put up numbers that were virtually identical to his numbers in Denver with Jay Cutler.

Matt Moore is a slightly above league-average QB for his career. Just like Jay Cutler. Moore actually had better numbers than Cutler did last year in only two more games than Cutler.

Reggie Bush put up 1100 yards for the Dolphins last year, and had more yards/carry than Matt Forte (5.0 YPC to 4.9 YPC).

But oh yeah, the Bears are a huge upgrade, as long as you ignore facts and base everything off of hype.


Reggie Bush did have nearly 1100 yards, but that's a misleading stat because he caught fire in the final 4 games of the season. During his first 12 games, he eclipsed 100 yards once and only came close to 100 yards one other time. His first 4 games of the year, his totals were 38, 18, 13, and 50. In his final 4 games, his rushing totals were 100, 103, 203, and 113. Nearly half his rushing yards on the year came in the final four games.

Also, the fact that the Bears have made the playoffs a few times in the past several years, ya, I would deem that a huge upgrade.


varmitydog: wholedamnshow Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat.

The only part of this that is correct is that the rest of the Miami receivers are not all that great. The Dolphins were 11th in the league in rushing last year, with Reggie Bush putting up 1,086 yards and Daniel Thomas adding almost 600 more. And QB Matt Moore was decent as well, his 87.1 qb rating is in the middle of the pack amongst NFL starters and he had 16 TDs against 9 picks. Those stats would have been a whole lot better with a number one WR who could catch the ball consistently. He not only dropped a half dozen sure TD passes, he killed countless other drives where Moore or Henne would hit him right between the jersey numbers and he dropped the ball. The Dolphins lost 7 games by ten points or less last year, and in most of those games Marshall dropped a pass in a key situation, directly leading to a loss.

There is a very good reason why the Dolphins sent a guy with five straight 1,000+ year seasons packing for a measly two third round draft picks. The guy is an over hyped drama queen who either cannot or will not produce in the clutch.
If the Bears can get any use out of this knothead, I will be mighty surprised.


Citation needed on the bold.

Matt Moore sucks. QB rating isn't some sort of flawless stat. John Elway's career QB rating is 79.9 and he's a thousand times the QB Matt Moore is. There's a reason why the Phins drafted Tannehill.
 
2012-05-13 05:45:13 AM  

wholedamnshow: IAmRight: wholedamnshow: Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat

He put up numbers that were virtually identical to his numbers in Denver with Jay Cutler.

Matt Moore is a slightly above league-average QB for his career. Just like Jay Cutler. Moore actually had better numbers than Cutler did last year in only two more games than Cutler.

Reggie Bush put up 1100 yards for the Dolphins last year, and had more yards/carry than Matt Forte (5.0 YPC to 4.9 YPC).

But oh yeah, the Bears are a huge upgrade, as long as you ignore facts and base everything off of hype.

Reggie Bush did have nearly 1100 yards, but that's a misleading stat because he caught fire in the final 4 games of the season. During his first 12 games, he eclipsed 100 yards once and only came close to 100 yards one other time. His first 4 games of the year, his totals were 38, 18, 13, and 50. In his final 4 games, his rushing totals were 100, 103, 203, and 113. Nearly half his rushing yards on the year came in the final four games.

Also, the fact that the Bears have made the playoffs a few times in the past several years, ya, I would deem that a huge upgrade.


varmitydog: wholedamnshow Brandon Marshall has put up strong stats two seasons in a row on a team with no QB, no running game, and no other receiving threat.

The only part of this that is correct is that the rest of the Miami receivers are not all that great. The Dolphins were 11th in the league in rushing last year, with Reggie Bush putting up 1,086 yards and Daniel Thomas adding almost 600 more. And QB Matt Moore was decent as well, his 87.1 qb rating is in the middle of the pack amongst NFL starters and he had 16 TDs against 9 picks. Those stats would have been a whole lot better with a number one WR who could catch the ball consistently. He not only dropped a half dozen sure TD passes, he killed countless other drives where Moore or Henne would hit him right between the jersey numbers and he dropped the ball. The Dolphins lost 7 games by ten points or less last year, and in most of those games Marshall dropped a pass in a key situation, directly leading to a loss.

There is a very good reason why the Dolphins sent a guy with five straight 1,000+ year seasons packing for a measly two third round draft picks. The guy is an over hyped drama queen who either cannot or will not produce in the clutch.
If the Bears can get any use out of this knothead, I will be mighty surprised.

Citation needed on the bold.

Matt Moore sucks. QB rating isn't some sort of flawless stat. John Elway's career QB rating is 79.9 and he's a thousand times the QB Matt Moore is. There's a reason why the Phins drafted Tannehill.


Not only did they draft Tannyhill, they persued every free agent QB in the league. Nobody wanted farkall to do with the Dolphins. But hey, Marshall is a douche. Does not mean he is an incorrect Douche.
 
2012-05-13 08:40:15 AM  

SilentStrider: Is he wrong?


Yes, he is actually. Not that our QB situation is great by any stretch of the imagination, but QB wasn't our problem last year -- especially once Henne went the hell away. Moore was perfectly respectable last year, especially given that he was new to the team and was never expected to play. Hell, he, Bess and Bush managed to win 6 of the last 9 with the entire offensive line crumbling around them.

You know what would've helped the Fins' QB play? Marshall not dropping about 20 farking TDs in the endzone at crunch time over the course of the season. He's a very good receiver, but we would've been 8-8 at worst if that idiot didn't have some kind of spontaneous brain leprosy the moment his route went over the goal line.
 
2012-05-13 10:04:32 AM  
PEOPLE: Tony Sparano was our coach for 4 years.

The Dolphins will be much better going forward. Matt Moore was not the problem. Brandon Marshall was a douche of epic proportions. He failed in Miami and now he is sour grapes. Enjoy being reunited with epic douche #2 Jay Cutler.

Yes, the Dolphins sought to upgrade the QB position. They want to upgrade every position. They also drafted a bunch of receivers, Lamar Miller (RB) and are switching to a West Coast offense. They don't need a bunch of big name douches with personality disorders. They need a group of guys that can run good routes and catch the ball. They have 2 of those, bess and hartline. They just drafted a bunch of young receivers too. They aren't going to the super bowl this year, but they are in a great position going forward and the 2012 draft was a huge success.
 
2012-05-13 12:30:43 PM  
Matt Moore > Jay Cutler

My Left Bollock With a Smiley Face Drawn On It > Brandon Marshall


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2012-05-13 03:51:31 PM  

wholedamnshow: Reggie Bush did have nearly 1100 yards, but that's a misleading stat because he caught fire they gave him the f*cking ball in the final 4 games of the season.


FTFY - what's really annoying is that pretty much every time he has a significant amount of touches, he gets 100+ yards...but people, for no real reason, think he can't handle running 20 times a game.
 
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