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(NYPost)   Dear Parent, We regret to inform you that there is no room for your child in Battery Park Kindergarten public school. But do not worry, we checked with the $16k a year private school right down the street and they still have spaces open   (nypost.com ) divider line
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2012-05-12 04:38:38 PM  

Trance750: here to help: Just redistribute the existing funds at a federal level so every American child has an equal chance.

What are you, a freaking Commie?


Radical moderate.
 
2012-05-12 04:41:28 PM  

lack of warmth: I am sure public schools are required to find a way to educate all legal resident kids in the area.


They are. The parents are pissed off because their kids might have to go to kindergarten in a less affluent part of their school district.

Not that I don't sympathize. I'd be pissed off too if there was a top-notch public school within walking distance and my kids had to be bused to a mediocre one on the other side of town.
 
2012-05-12 04:44:40 PM  

superdude72: lack of warmth: I am sure public schools are required to find a way to educate all legal resident kids in the area.

They are. The parents are pissed off because their kids might have to go to kindergarten in a less affluent part of their school district.

Not that I don't sympathize. I'd be pissed off too if there was a top-notch public school within walking distance and my kids had to be bused to a mediocre one on the other side of town.


Plus they would have to rub shoulders with 'those' people.
 
2012-05-12 04:45:11 PM  

here to help: Trance750: here to help: Just redistribute the existing funds at a federal level so every American child has an equal chance.

What are you, a freaking Commie?

Radical moderate.


I know, I was just being a smartass.
 
2012-05-12 04:52:48 PM  
Vouchers.
 
2012-05-12 04:53:18 PM  

Turbo Cojones: here to help: SuperT: you can afford to live with kids in tribeca or battery park, you can afford 16k for a school.

Education is a right.

There are plenty of other public schools with vacancies, the problem is that Mom and Dad are afraid they might have darkies.

That has to be the most valuable school per sq.ft. in the hemisphere...


This.
 
2012-05-12 04:55:46 PM  

SuperT: you can afford to live with kids in tribeca or battery park, you can afford 16k for a school.


I hate it when sufflebragions make such stupid statements. Have you considered the possibility that they cannot afford both?
 
2012-05-12 04:56:22 PM  
Wait a minute...

The kid in question is 4 years old... That is too young for public school
 
2012-05-12 04:57:21 PM  

Trance750: I know, I was just being a smartass.


I too enjoy making intelligent statements from my buttocks.

*poot*

;-)
 
2012-05-12 05:13:35 PM  

Anal: The city guarantees kindergarten spots for all children, just not necessarily at the one small school that you knew was overcrowded when you decided to move there because you're rich and trendy.

And if that's still not good enough for you, realize that people who can afford to live in Battery Park City can afford 16K a year on school. Easily.


Probably not my brother, but then again they don't have kids. And not married.

/Now I know to give him shiat about moving there b/c it's trendy
//Thanks
 
2012-05-12 05:14:46 PM  

texanjeff: Wait a minute...

The kid in question is 4 years old... That is too young for public school


I started at 4, since my birthday is in October. Graduating at 17 was a nice bonus. People are waaaay more forgiving of that whole "I need a year to smoke weed and play video games before I do grownup stuff" thing.
 
2012-05-12 05:14:46 PM  

here to help: Trance750: I know, I was just being a smartass.

I too enjoy making intelligent statements from my buttocks.

*poot*

;-)


/Like you already
 
2012-05-12 05:18:42 PM  

Turbo Cojones: That has to be the most valuable school per sq.ft. in the hemisphere...


No, there is one in Mayfair London that I used to walk by pretty frequently. I would not be surprised if that was the most valuable school per square foot in the west.

The neighbor parked his Bugatti Veyron by it in the street on occasion.
 
2012-05-12 05:18:59 PM  

rogue_L_chick: texanjeff: "I need a year to smoke weed and play video games before I do grownup stuff" thing.


Some of us never outgrew that phase. The day I'm too old to enjoy pot and my Xbox, is the day I don't want to live anymore.
 
2012-05-12 05:19:41 PM  

Trance750: /Like you already


*respect knucks*
 
2012-05-12 05:21:13 PM  

here to help: Trance750: /Like you already

*respect knucks*


/Bones
 
2012-05-12 05:22:02 PM  
In NYS children are guaranteed a chair in a public school. If the public school system cannot accommodate your child, they will pay for the private school that can. Were there no other schools available, the parents could send their children to the private school and the public school would pick up the tab.

However, there are spaces available. Just not in this school.

SuperT: it's kindergarten. If this was first grade or middle school or something I'd be pissed off.


Kindergarten today is not kindergarten a generation ago. It's more like what first grade was for us. Also, they will have the same number of seats for each grade, so if you don't get a spot at the K level, the chances of snagging a spot from a kid who moves out of the district for the higher grades are slim, especially in that neighborhood.

texanjeff: Wait a minute...

The kid in question is 4 years old... That is too young for public school


No. Cutoff in NYS is November first. So fall birthdays go at 4 years, unless they are not ready. And you go ahead and try to tell a NYC mom that her child is not ready. She'll claw your eyes out.

Personally for a fall b-day 4 year old, I would have said, "Fine, we'll wait a year. But we'd best be a definite yes for next year." But I am not a psycho overachieving city mom who filled out preschool aplications before the wet spot on the sheets was dry.
 
2012-05-12 05:28:03 PM  
Considering that the people reside in that area are what would be considered 1%'er's, they can probably afford that tuition. These are people that would have turned their community into a gated neighborhood if it didn't affect the tourism industry.
 
2012-05-12 05:36:07 PM  
$16K? odd, the one i work in costs $30K

God-is-a-Taco:

Shostie: #OutragedWhiteNewYorkerProblems

Probably. There might be racial quotas to fill in the school.


there aren't.
sorry to pop your precious rightwing fantasy.
 
2012-05-12 05:45:35 PM  

brap: Doesn't surprise me too much the demographics of lower Manhattan/Tribeca have completely and rapidly changed. It's all young (and generally very well-to-do) families. I'm sure the area public schools are completely over capacity.


And purposely underfunded
 
2012-05-12 05:45:59 PM  

mentula: $16K? odd, the one i work in costs $30K

God-is-a-Taco:

Shostie: #OutragedWhiteNewYorkerProblems

Probably. There might be racial quotas to fill in the school.

there aren't.
sorry to pop your precious rightwing fantasy.


You really think racial quotas are fantasy?
 
2012-05-12 05:49:14 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: mentula: $16K? odd, the one i work in costs $30K

God-is-a-Taco:

Shostie: #OutragedWhiteNewYorkerProblems

Probably. There might be racial quotas to fill in the school.

there aren't.
sorry to pop your precious rightwing fantasy.

You really think racial quotas are fantasy?


Not in elementary school. You know, K-8?
 
2012-05-12 05:50:29 PM  

One Bad Apple: Everyone has the RIGHT to an education but what some lack is the ABILITY


Everyone has the ability to learn k-12 and BA/BS material. Most in MA/PhD programs aren't that bright, either.


Many lack the motivation.
 
2012-05-12 06:20:05 PM  

CujoQuarrel: If there is no room there is no room. They need to build more schools obviously.

Or the parents can move to a more kid friendly area.


Like Paramus!
 
2012-05-12 06:28:19 PM  
I've never understood where all the cost was in schooling.

Although according to a 2009 census report NY spent more than $18k per student. Maybe they should pay the private tuition and take the $2k win.

I know, NY probably doesn't spend $16k per year on kindergarteners.

Nationwide we average over $10k per year per student. With a class size of 20 that's $200k per class per year. Now... Why do teachers salaries average under $40k? Where is the other 4/5's being spent? How many farking administrators do you really need?

I think Bain Capital and other equity firms need to volunteer their cut and thrust talents to school districts. Does all this paperwork really need doing by all these administrators? What's the cost / benefit of going through the process to get those specialized funds? Are there more effective ways of fundraising for sports and music than selling things people don't want?

/Questions
//I haz em
 
2012-05-12 06:41:43 PM  
They need birth control as someone once said.
 
2012-05-12 06:44:02 PM  
here to help

Education is a right.

Good education for the masses damn near got the goernment overthrown in the 1960's. They're not going to be that stupid twice.
 
2012-05-12 06:47:59 PM  

Trance750: rogue_L_chick: texanjeff: "I need a year to smoke weed and play video games before I do grownup stuff" thing.

Some of us never outgrew that phase. The day I'm too old to enjoy pot and my Xbox, is the day I don't want to live anymore.


Oh, I still adore these activities, don't get me wrong. I just spent a year (ok, more like nearly 2) doing not much else. Selling pot to support my lifestyle became an issue with my (now ex-husband) BF, so I strapped myself into business casual for awhile.
 
2012-05-12 06:53:48 PM  

X-boxershorts: Not in elementary school. You know, K-8?


I don't know about NYC but I do know it happens k-8 in other school districts, and you admit it happens in high school, so claiming it is come kind of fantasy is ridiculous.
 
2012-05-12 07:02:45 PM  

here to help: That would even be necessary. Just redistribute the existing funds at a federal level so every American child has an equal chance. If the richie riches don't like it THEY can send their kids to private school on their own dime.


They tried that on the state level, shifted the focus from local property taxes to state redistribution so funding was more even across school districts. Didn't help, then they had to come up with other excuses.
 
2012-05-12 07:08:47 PM  

here to help: SuperT: you can afford to live with kids in tribeca or battery park, you can afford 16k for a school.

Education is a right.


No it isn't
 
2012-05-12 07:13:26 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Post Office I used to go to pulled this.

Sign on the front door. "Dear Patron, there are other private-contractor postal outlets in the neighborhood. Here is a list of their addresses. Please feel free to visit them."

It seemed the Post Office didn't want to fix its 30 minute wait times. They just told people where to go.

Farks.


Considering what holds up the line here, I'm not blaming the post office. Between the fat cows who take forever to ask about all the options and the people who don't speak a reasonable amount of English, it's no wonder.

/got to wait for 20mins the other day because of two friggin' Spanish morons.
 
2012-05-12 07:19:34 PM  
So are they going to refund some of the tax money to help pay for private school?
 
2012-05-12 07:23:12 PM  

rebelyell2006: SuperT: you can afford to live with kids in tribeca or battery park, you can afford 16k for a school.

I hate it when sufflebragions make such stupid statements. Have you considered the possibility that they cannot afford both?


I find it very, very hard to give a single fark for people who pay 3000$+ in rent and also get pissed off that their kids might possibly have to goto school with poor kids
 
2012-05-12 07:27:52 PM  
This is completely predictable given the construction of all of the Battery Park City 7-8 years ago and the lack of a new school. D-Day should migrate to Park Slope in 2014 and Williamsburg around 2017 (I expect the first wave of hipsters to turn into breeders shortly).
 
2012-05-12 07:32:11 PM  

here to help: Also I think schools should be funded an equal amount per student no matter where they are located or what the tax revenues are. Not this bullsh*t of richer areas getting better education while the ghetto schools rot.


There is a huge controversy where I live because for the past fifteen years or so, urban schools have been the recipient of huge funding increases at the expense of suburban schools in the same district. Kids born into poverty do need more resources in their schools for social workers, additional reading teachers and support staff, not to mention the increased costs of maintaining and upgrading older facilities. Anyone who denies that is being deliberately obtuse.

The problem is, our state is in the bottom 10% of per-pupil funding to begin with; the money cut from suburban school budgets has led to middle- and high-school class sizes of 40+ students in these schools. Parents who pay the bulk of property taxes are pissed, not only because their kids are getting little to no individual attention at "good" schools, but also because the diversion of funds to urban schools has not fixed the systemic problems which exist there. Graduation rates are dismal and the school-to-prison pipeline is functioning as efficiently as ever.
 
2012-05-12 07:47:50 PM  

wildcardjack: Where is the other 4/5's being spent? How many farking administrators do you really need?


Ok its not just admin (though we do have a huge number perhaps 1 per 8 kids. (and we have about 1.2 mil people in the system kids teachers admin and admin is school sec, maintenance, school security, lunch ladies etc.)

but keeping up the plant, making new schools, and rehabbing old ones. Heating them, books, equipment, do make a dent in money.

Our cost of living is about half again if not more than the rest of the country

On the other hand My husband has taught and implemented 7-9 different education systems for HS English in 23 all with training and materials provided by the DOE. So 10's of thousands wasted just on Him one teacher
 
2012-05-12 07:48:56 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Education is a right.

No it isn't


Rights are whatever people collective agree they are suppose to be. A right to education isn't written into the constitution, but the US as well as most every other country has effectively treated K-12 education as a right as well as somewhat compulsory for as long as it has existed (the Pilgrims were even big fans of compulsory education).

Of course that doesn't mean you have a right to go to a particular school. If you are not happy with the quality of the your public education, you can either try to fix it, supplement your kids education, go to private school or home-school your kid. Just because you spent more in property taxes doesn't give you any special privileges in that regard.
 
2012-05-12 07:49:23 PM  

SuperT: you can afford to live with kids in tribeca or battery park, you can afford 16k for a school.


I just Googled average income for Battery Park: $100,947

Here in our neck of the woods (Brentwood, Los Angeles) it's $112,927.

$16,000/year is cheap tuition if you ask me.
 
2012-05-12 07:54:28 PM  

Honest Bender: Vouchers.


Only if we can have vouchers for health insurance, too.
 
2012-05-12 07:57:02 PM  

texanjeff: Wait a minute...

The kid in question is 4 years old... That is too young for public school


I don't know how these things go in NYC, but here in LA, you can start Kindergarten at age 4. In fact, out daughter will still be 4 when she starts Kindergarten. We wanted to hold her back another year, but her preschool teachers and pediatrician believe she's more than ready for Kindergarten. Plus, our daughter is very excited about it, too.
 
2012-05-12 07:58:55 PM  
My honest opinion is the government cannot keep giving things for free and welfare is supposed to help those who are in a lot of financial trouble. Not rich people.

If you can live in lower Manhattan your rich.. pay money.


The ability to go to public schools without paying any monetary compensation to the government should only be for those people who are genuinely poor. The higher up the economic scale you go the more money you should pay. Also the poor can only be poor for a maximum of 3 years, unless they can prove a medical reason why they cannot begin to support themselves. After that they start paying the minimum fee.

If your poor you pay nothing for 3 years.
If your lower class you pay 20 a term for each child.
If your upper lower class you pay 30 a term for each child.
If your lower middle class you pay 50 a term for each child.
If you are middle class you pay 70 a term for each child.
If you are upper middle you pay 90 a term for each child.
If you are lower upper you pay 130 a term for each child.
If you are middle upper you pay 160 a term for each child.
If you are upper upper you pay 200 a term for each child.


The way of working out a person's economic level is

1. The money they earn per year.
2. The money they inherited.
3. Any assets i.e if your poor you don't wear designer clothing and you don't own a house in a rich suburb.

Number 3 is to reduce the cheats who pretend they are poor but assets tell you differently.

Still cheaper than private and would give government schools a large cash injection.

This is another situation whereby ethics should be at the heart of the decision and it appears these parents from lower Manhattan fail in those ethics. That is public schools are for those who cannot afford private school. It is to make sure that all children are educated and is not for rich parents who could afford to pay fees to take places away from those who cannot.
 
2012-05-12 08:04:12 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: At that price its enough to pay a private tutor $15 an hour under the table for 5 days a week of 4 hour education. Put up an ad in the local college paper, I bet they would get a gillion applicants.

That is plenty for the elementary school level and any college kid who grew up with younger siblings or baby sat should be able to handle it.

And chances are the "education" the kid gets will be head and shoulders better than from the local public school and probably better than the private school.


I hate to point something out, but a lot of parents use kindergarten and elementary school because they work. Most people work for more than 4 hours a day.

So for most you would need 10 hours(8 hours work + an hour drive to and an hour drive back) = 10 X 15 = 150 X 5 = 750 X 52 = 39K

Kindergarten often runs all day and schools often have before and after school care.

The truth is the economy needs these institutions so that people can work and it needs people working to pay taxes, to buy goods and services, to save for their own retirement.
 
2012-05-12 08:04:25 PM  

here to help: This is what republicans want.


Ah, yes. What happens in a Democrat-dominated city in a Democrat-dominated state under a Democratic president couldn't possibly indicate anything about what happens when you let Democrats make decisions, it tells you what Republicans want.
 
2012-05-12 08:08:36 PM  

The WindowLicker: Turbo Cojones: That has to be the most valuable school per sq.ft. in the hemisphere...

No, there is one in Mayfair London that I used to walk by pretty frequently. I would not be surprised if that was the most valuable school per square foot in the west.

The neighbor parked his Bugatti Veyron by it in the street on occasion.


What!!?? No FLYING Cars? How lower-shelf! What was a mere mortal like you doing in Mayfair?
 
2012-05-12 08:14:29 PM  
"It was not the intention of the school or of the Department of Education to recommend that families seek alternative options to a public-school education."

Then why did you dumb biatches and stupid coonts do exactly that? Please explain fully in your resignation letter.
 
2012-05-12 08:21:10 PM  

Lillith: English in 23 all


should be years

Oh and dont forget the extra help for special ed
 
2012-05-12 08:23:57 PM  

Guest: My honest opinion is the government cannot keep giving things for free and welfare is supposed to help those who are in a lot of financial trouble. Not rich people.

If you can live in lower Manhattan your rich.. pay money.


Not always. There are rent control laws that allow a few lucky people to pay reasonable amount on rent. There are also other situations where someone might be living in a richer area while not being rich, such as apartment supervisors/maintenance, and living in co-ops tend to be cheaper as well. Also, it isn't like other areas of NYC are significantly cheaper, chances are you going to be paying through the nose for rent regardless of where in the city you live.


The ability to go to public schools without paying any monetary compensation to the government should only be for those people who are genuinely poor. The higher up the economic scale you go the more money you should pay. Also the poor can only be poor for a maximum of 3 years, unless they can prove a medical reason why they cannot begin to support themselves. After that they start paying the minimum fee.


I disagree. First off, we have already have a state/city tax system that provides funding. While property taxes and especially sales taxes may not be as progressive as what you suggest, the state can distribute funds more evenly so that every school gets the funding they need. If rich people are forced to pay directly, they will spend their money on the best schools while the rest of the school systems languish through lack of funding.

Also, it is pretty naive to believe that most people choose to be poor, or that the only reason they would be poor would be for medical reasons. NYC has the highest gulf between the rich and poor in the country, most of the poor work, many of them harder than you or I do. There income is still going to exorbitant rent in the city, and even though they get paid more than in the country, it doesn't match the higher cost of living in the city.
 
2012-05-12 08:24:48 PM  
Homeschooling ...private school education without the pricetag
 
2012-05-12 08:30:31 PM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Homeschooling ...private school education without the pricetag


That's assuming the parents themselves are well-educated. There are plenty of people I've met who are probably too ignorant to effectively teach their children much. Plus, you still have to put in the time, if you are educated, you might make more working than home school teaching.
 
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