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namatad		2012-05-12 04:11:58 PM

downstairs: This is always a head-scratcher for me. Voter turnout has been pretty much the same every election since 1972:

Link

People either vote or they don't.

registered versus voting age

There has been a slight uptick in voter turnout.
People who don't vote, don't count.
When I ask someone complaining about politics or the country if they voted and they say no, I ignore everything that they say.

I don't care how you voted or that your vote didn't make a difference. But if you don't vote, you literally don't count. You are stating for the world, that all that you are going to do is complain and that you wont make the slightest effort to effect change. So fark you.

namatad		2012-05-12 04:13:25 PM

Stupid cut and paste errors. link goes to pretty chart now

cameroncrazy1984		2012-05-12 04:14:29 PM

downstairs: Things ARE still worse than when Obama took office

Um. What things? We've recovered all the private sector jobs lost since Obama took offfice.

red5ish		2012-05-12 04:15:50 PM

We all know what weapons grade bigotry and intolerance looks like and it ain't pretty.
Rick Santorum is an anal canker.

Three Crooked Squirrels		2012-05-12 04:19:11 PM

downstairs: Seriously, tell me one time in history (not counting Jack Kennedy making a phone call to Mayor Daley Sr.) where a "get out the vote" effort meant anything?

Rock the Vote? Didn't do crap.

I don't know, you could be right. But from your own link:

2008* 56.8%

2004 55.3%

2000 51.3%

1996 49.1%

Granted, that's just 4 presidential elections out of the dozen or so from your link, but it is the four most recent and participation has increased significantly. Participation went up almost 8% in 12 years, which means that almost 15% more eligible voters actually voted. I don't personally believe that GOTV efforts increased it that much. I personally think it is better accounted for by people who are motivated by anger or fear on either side of the spectrum. Issues like gay marriage do, in my opinion, drive people to the polls in larger numbers on the right. Gay marriage tends to poll relatively well, but when it's on the ballot, people show up in droves to reject it. I couldn't believe Californians rejected it, but they did.

Now, gay marriage will not be on the ballot in November. Maybe in some scattered states. Weaver wondered why Romney's campaign didn't just ignore this. My opinion was that the campaign didn't simply ignore it because they believed it would help turn out the evangelical vote that they may have been concerned wouldn't show up because they didn't want to vote for a Mormon. Whether the campaign actually felt this way, I have no idea. Whether some evangelicals will stay home rather than vote for a Mormon, I have no idea. But Romney can't afford even 5% of the evangelicals staying home. If he is going to win, he needs every evangelical vote he can muster.

Weaver95		2012-05-12 04:21:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: downstairs: Things ARE still worse than when Obama took office

Um. What things? We've recovered all the private sector jobs lost since Obama took offfice.

um...no we haven't. we've recovered SOME job losses...but we're replacing jobs that used to pay $50-60k with 2-3 jobs that now pay half that. still not a 'recovery' no matter how you slice it.

not to mention that i'm not sure we're done with the housing mess or that there aren't at least two or three more $2 billion dollar losses being hidden by various/sundry bankers.

Mrtraveler01		2012-05-12 04:26:11 PM

Weaver95: not to mention that i'm not sure we're done with the housing mess or that there aren't at least two or three more $2 billion dollar losses being hidden by various/sundry bankers.

I'm more worried about other countries pulling us down more than I am about us pulling ourselves down.

/Looks over at Greece and China

red5ish		2012-05-12 04:27:19 PM

@Weaver
You can be sure we aren't and you can be sure there are.

Monkeyhouse Zendo		2012-05-12 04:27:22 PM

Mugato: We have an economy in the shiatter, our Constitutional rights were shat upon by our last President and haven't been returned. Gitmo is still open, we're still in Afghanistan, we're on the verge of wars on three other fronts and these farking assholes are still crying about homos getting married. NO ONE BUT THE LUNATIC FRINGE CARES. Christ.

I'm sorry, but were you paying any attention to the primaries? Who do you think is running the Republican party these days?

Lord_Baull		2012-05-12 04:29:50 PM

Santorum knows how to run a campaign.

bobbette		2012-05-12 04:33:54 PM

I agree with Failed presidential nominee anal ooze.

Romney! Make your whole campaign about fighting Big Gay, please! Just a little more of this stuff, and you will have no favourable or likeability ratings left to speak of.

It helps that the only argument they can muster against gay marriage that isn't straight-up bigotry is the mild bigotry of "Won't someone please think of the children?"

quatchi		2012-05-12 04:36:12 PM

Obama's slapped Romney and the GOP in the collective face with a glove by coming out for full civil rights for gay Americans.

Mitt can't figure out whether to go full retard here or not.

Santorum, off stage right, offers some sotto voice advice.

doooo eeeeet!

The laughable notion that the GOP were ever serious about addressing the deficit is gone.

They want to fight the culture wars of the last 40 years all over again?

Women's rights, gay rights, immigrants rights, separation of church and state?

A'ight, haters. Best 2 outta 3. Let's do this.

DO EEEET!

Dwight_Yeast		2012-05-12 04:36:12 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Romney is Mormon: as staunchly opposed to gay marriage, if not more so, than the Catholic church.

Yet he order the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples when he was governor.

heavymetal		2012-05-12 04:38:32 PM

This is exactly what President Obama would want him to do. This was an excellent political move as it forces the GOP's hand. While getting elected during the mid-terms under the guise of fiscal responsibility, the Republican party has focused on pushing laws which are back door attempts at social engineering to radically transform the nation to their vision of a theocracy. Now they will have to own up to it and become the victims of a "wedge issue" which they are on the wrong side of the majority of public opinion.

TyrantII		2012-05-12 04:39:26 PM

POPCORN.GIF

God-is-a-Taco		2012-05-12 04:43:46 PM

Santorum said in an eye-opening live interview

How? To who? Everyone saw this coming. Many suspect it was even planned by Obama's team.
Romney only has a chance if he embraces conservationism.

Krymson Tyde		2012-05-12 04:46:57 PM

downstairs: Walker: "This is a very potent weapon, if you will, for Governor Romney if he's willing to step up and take advantage of a president who is very much out of touch with the values of America," Santorum said

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I think you will find YOU are the one out of touch my friend. Young people don't give a f*ck about gays getting married and the old people are dying. You lost the war.

And just asking someone of they oppose or are in favor of something is wildly different than asking them "will this issue matter to you when you step into the voting booth."

You know one thing I oppose? Spiders. I farking hate them. They scare the shiat out of me. I always have a can of spider killer within arms reach.

If a candidate came out and said they'd rid America of spiders... I'd think they're a bit crazy.

Of course they would be crazy to take that position, it would devastate our economy.

TheBigJerk		2012-05-12 04:52:58 PM

Weaver95: hubiestubert: Weaver95: hubiestubert: Overall? If he fails, he has an easy out of the public eye.

yeah, but i'm not talking about the general public....i'm referring to the Republican Elite. they're going to want blood when they lose to Obama.

They'll level blame, and he'll recede into the background, with cash in hand, and enough favors owed for what he did in Mass and out in Utah. He has invested a lot over the years, and no matter of being wrothy over him failing is going to change that. And to be fair, I don't really think that anyone in the leadership is really thinking that this cycle is going to them. Not against Obama. It is about narrative, and grabbing as much cash from the rubes right now. Not about actually winning. Winning with this economy terrifies a lot of folks.

that's a logical response, yes...but we're talking about the Republican Elite. they're not sane or logical. And they're gonna want blood. i'm not sure they'll be happy just letting Romney walk away clean.

You sure? They're already quietly working on redeeming Dubya's brand. They resurrected Reagan as the zombie superhero. The neofeudalist overlords seem quite happy to repair and relate to anyone willing to ultimately serve.

Bad_Seed		2012-05-12 04:55:16 PM

This is a brilliant troll by the Obama campaign. Romney himself could come out against gay marriage by saying something like "I believe in traditional values, therefore I think marriage should be between a man and a woman." That would be a perfectly reasonable, conservative position to take. But he can't just say that, and leave it at that. The entire right-wing propaganda machine would crank up to try to echo his message and some of those people can get a bit excitable. They can't help themselves and pretty soon the "reasonable conservative defense of marriage" would become a rabid "war on gays" as every other republican congressman and commentator makes their opinion known. At this point Romney can either try to distance himself from the vocal fringe of his party, infuriating them and looking like a flip flopper, or grin and bare the derp.

If only Obama were as good at governing as he is at campaigning.

WhyteRaven74		2012-05-12 04:59:05 PM

Bad_Seed: conservative position to take

Social conservative? Yes. But the kind of conservative the GOP claims to be? No.

IMDWalrus		2012-05-12 05:02:51 PM

alywa: Yeah, Nobambi really stepped in it now. You libs were going to vote for him anyways, so what does he get bowing down to Big Pink?

1. Nearly 80% of Zero's donations this season have come from either hollywood (efeminate left coast libs) or directly from gay and lesbian PACs and donors. Its pretty clear that he owed them.

2. It is no major secret that the Messiah is on the down low. Moochele is such an obvois fat beard... to bad for the kids, but they seem to be growing up as lib brats (according to Bamers own words, he changed his stance because he told them to)

3. What is the point of democracy if we can't vote for laws? NC (and every other state) sent a very clear message that the want MAN - WOMAN marriage, not man-boy, girl-horse, etc. Every state that has had a vote has ruled the perverts down... why is that so hard for libs to get?

4. Christian voters who were fooled by his HopeyChangey BS in the past now see who this man really is... one who will sell there own families down river, devaluing what it is to be a proper family in the eyes of the Lord.

this country is 93% Christian. We don't want our churches forced into marrying abominations. We don't want our kids being taught this is the right thing to do. Most of us yearn for a time when men were men, women were women, and the gays were in the closet or in Europe where they belong.

Watch out for the Landslide this november! Romney may not be a true conservative, but he's going to wipe the floor with your laughable excuse for a candidate.

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Good job! You actually listened to our suggestions about sparkly eagles!

Kazan		2012-05-12 05:05:20 PM

downstairs: "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"

many people are better off than they were 4 years ago.. try paying attention to job growth

MagnesDrachen		2012-05-12 05:05:32 PM

Yes, Mitt, please step up and explain your bigoted views again. Tell us how your big old book says its icky. Please say this out loud again, it'll be a big help for someone...just not you.

Lackofname		2012-05-12 05:08:26 PM

Weaver95: alywa: 3. What is the point of democracy if we can't vote for laws? NC (and every other state) sent a very clear message that the want MAN - WOMAN marriage, not man-boy, girl-horse, etc. Every state that has had a vote has ruled the perverts down... why is that so hard for libs to get?

hmm. trolling aside, this does raise an interesting point....the GOP does seem obsessed with bestiality.

Neal Horsley, Anti-Abortion Leader: "When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

dennysgod		2012-05-12 05:10:00 PM

Santorum is right, Romeny now has a potent weapon to convince people who weren't going to vote for Obama that they shouldn't vote for him.

Harry_Seldon		2012-05-12 05:13:53 PM

Weaver95: If Romney fails to win against Obama his own party will eat him alive.

If you mean book deals, lavish speaking engagements, and honored guest at secret cabal meetings, then I agree with you.

Jaws_Victim		2012-05-12 05:17:59 PM

Yes, run a campaign of bigotry and hatred. Do it. Americans love nothing better than hate. Are gay rights something worth civil warring the south over again?

Kittypie070		2012-05-12 05:19:49 PM

That sparkly eagle has no room for cat starfish?

bobbette		2012-05-12 05:24:12 PM

WhyteRaven74: Bad_Seed: conservative position to take

Social conservative? Yes. But the kind of conservative the GOP claims to be? No.

Gay marriages create jobs. Not permitting gay marriage and forcing people to negotiate all kinds of red tape is a typical example of government over-regulation and intrusion into people's private lives. Why does the GOP hate personal freedom and the economy? coolface.jpg

But seriously, all the above is actually true.

FloydA		2012-05-12 05:24:38 PM

Already on it, Ricky-poo.

falcon176		2012-05-12 05:27:20 PM

the party of less government only wants less government when the libs are in charge

Lackofname		2012-05-12 05:27:28 PM

Romney can't run on the economy.

The entire GOP has a horrible record on the economy. Obstruction, tax cuts, no jobs bills (that they ran on). The entire GOP plan has been social issues - cutting women's health, PP, NPR, attacking abortion and gays. The GOP's plan has been to crash the economy and then they want to run on it?

What's Romney's economic plan going to be? More Tax Cuts? Yeah. Does he even have an economic record for MA? Aside from instituting Obamneycare.

Social issues is all the GOP has.

Pray 4 Mojo		2012-05-12 05:31:19 PM

"Game on!"

aevert		2012-05-12 05:31:29 PM

I don't know if I should be happy or sad that Santorum left the race before gay marriage became this big of an issue.

Kumana Wanalaia		2012-05-12 05:36:07 PM

falcon176: the party of less government only wants less government when the libs are in charge

QFT.

Would you like a trans-vaginal ultrasound with that?

cc_rider		2012-05-12 05:39:22 PM

You know, little Ricky just might be on to something, considering that the GOP base is even more obsessed with teh buttsex than gays.

i28.photobucket.com

Forgot_my_password_again		2012-05-12 05:42:33 PM

Dear, Mittens

Do whatever Ricky tells you

Thanks

Lackofname		2012-05-12 05:44:39 PM

The GOP is pretty desperate to drop the hammer on gay marriage because their base is dying out. Approval is primarily with those under 40.

TheOther		2012-05-12 05:47:28 PM

Use the hate!

sgilman		2012-05-12 05:50:41 PM

This isn't 2004

AliceBToklasLives		2012-05-12 05:58:53 PM

That's the first thing Santorum's ever said that I actually respect. A little farking honesty. Of course none of these jokers cares about same-sex marriage and only Santorum has the balls to admit it's just a political weapon.

Zeno-25		2012-05-12 06:27:02 PM

What a fabulous hypocrite.

PsiChick		2012-05-12 06:32:43 PM

alywa: Yeah, Nobambi really stepped in it now. You libs were going to vote for him anyways, so what does he get bowing down to Big Pink?

1. Nearly 80% of Zero's donations this season have come from either hollywood (efeminate left coast libs) or directly from gay and lesbian PACs and donors. Its pretty clear that he owed them.

2. It is no major secret that the Messiah is on the down low. Moochele is such an obvois fat beard... to bad for the kids, but they seem to be growing up as lib brats (according to Bamers own words, he changed his stance because he told them to)

3. What is the point of democracy if we can't vote for laws? NC (and every other state) sent a very clear message that the want MAN - WOMAN marriage, not man-boy, girl-horse, etc. Every state that has had a vote has ruled the perverts down... why is that so hard for libs to get?

4. Christian voters who were fooled by his HopeyChangey BS in the past now see who this man really is... one who will sell there own families down river, devaluing what it is to be a proper family in the eyes of the Lord.

this country is 93% Christian. We don't want our churches forced into marrying abominations. We don't want our kids being taught this is the right thing to do. Most of us yearn for a time when men were men, women were women, and the gays were in the closet or in Europe where they belong.

Watch out for the Landslide this november! Romney may not be a true conservative, but he's going to wipe the floor with your laughable excuse for a candidate.

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Captain Darling: Take your weapon. Strike gays down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the White House will be complete

...I really can't decide which is my favorite. They're so amazing...

Kumana Wanalaia		2012-05-12 06:44:11 PM

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 350x334]

[i.imgur.com image 625x819]

What a fabulous hypocrite.

Hypocrite implies that he has a belief.

Rmoney doesn't just flip flop, he oscillates at 32,000 cycles per second.

TheShavingofOccam123		2012-05-12 06:50:06 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 350x334]

[i.imgur.com image 625x819]

What a fabulous hypocrite.

Hypocrite implies that he has a belief.

Rmoney doesn't just flip flop, he oscillates at 32,000 cycles per second.

I bet he keeps his wife satisfied.

Pray 4 Mojo		2012-05-12 07:04:21 PM

Zeno-25: What a fabulous hypocrite.

Not really...

Whether you choose to accept it or not... technically... "Gay Marriage" is a special or additional 'right'. The definition of marriage being "between one man and one woman" does not discriminate against anybody. This is a fact.

The evolution of Romney's opinion on the matter is as, or possibly more, consistent on the subject than Obama's. His advocacy of "gay rights" (like in the pics you posted) is in reference to actual discrimination.

That said... I won't be voting for either of them. I see no logical reason same sex couples cannot marry, and I would vote to support it (will never happen in my State) and vote against an attempt to ban it (probably coming soon).

That's all.

Just wanted to point that out.

/The way this is being punted around by both sides looking for an edge in the upcoming election is disgusting.

namatad		2012-05-12 07:04:37 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Rmoney doesn't just flip flop, he oscillates at 32,000 cycles per second.

32kHz? that is pretty high pitched
just saying

christianity		2012-05-12 07:04:53 PM

cc_rider: You know, little Ricky just might be on to something, considering that the GOP base is even more obsessed with teh buttsex than gays.

[i28.photobucket.com image 640x711]

Some hypocrisy undoubtedly, but I think that says more about internet illiteracy than anything else, and it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of vague porn-related searches came from the same area. I kind of have a hunch that going through the top few google results (without adding in several qualifiers to filter through a little) may not be the best way to find free porn/software/media/etc.

namatad		2012-05-12 07:06:25 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Whether you choose to accept it or not... technically... "Gay Marriage" is a special or additional 'right'. The definition of marriage being "between one man and one woman" does not discriminate against anybody. This is a fact.

so
There are a LARGE number of religious groups/churches/religions which will marry gay people.
Those marriages are treated differently that non-gay marriages.

How is this not unconstitutional?