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2012-05-12 10:18:33 AM  
All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS
 
2012-05-12 10:45:56 AM  
You can thank a meddling Congress, subby. Why do you hate America?
 
2012-05-12 11:10:16 AM  
The USPS is a "business"? And here I thought it was an independent agency of the U.S. Government created by Congress as mandated by Article I of the U.S. Constitution. Wow, who knew that being required by law to personally deliver a piece of paper from East Swampfark, Florida to the doorstep of a person in Upper Palinville, Alaska for less than half a buck would be a money-losing proposition?
 
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2012-05-12 11:10:18 AM  
It is kind of unreasonable to expect the post office to keep unprofitable rural offices open and make a profit too.
 
2012-05-12 11:25:03 AM  
What was the Department of Defense's profit last year? Department of Energy? Homeland Security? They surely raked in the big bucks for us.
 
2012-05-12 11:39:26 AM  

Cyberluddite: The USPS is a "business"? And here I thought it was an independent agency of the U.S. Government created by Congress as mandated by Article I of the U.S. Constitution. Wow, who knew that being required by law to personally deliver a piece of paper from East Swampfark, Florida to the doorstep of a person in Upper Palinville, Alaska for less than half a buck would be a money-losing proposition?


Three Crooked Squirrels: What was the Department of Defense's profit last year? Department of Energy? Homeland Security? They surely raked in the big bucks for us.


We're done here.
 
2012-05-12 11:47:22 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: You can thank a meddling Congress, subby. Why do you hate America?


Yeah! And let's get Congress of out JPMorgan while we're at it. They've nearly ruined those guys with their excessive regulation.
 
2012-05-12 11:56:13 AM  
Why should any government agency be expected to turn a profit?
 
2012-05-12 11:58:19 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: What was the Department of Defense's profit last year? Department of Energy? Homeland Security? They surely raked in the big bucks for us.


Actually, you raise a valid point. I would be okay mandating that the Department of Homeland Security get cut for failure to turn a profit.
 
2012-05-12 12:16:52 PM  
The USPS: Held to the standards of a business while being forced to play by rules that make success as a business impossible.
 
2012-05-12 12:17:43 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

The Postal Service lost $5.1 billion in fiscal year 2011 and was unable to make a massive annual payment for future retiree health benefits, which is required by law. The agency said much of the loss during the second quarter of 2012 came from setting aside funds for the $11.1 billion that is due this year.


The USPS even admits that the Prefunding is only part of the the issue. The USPS along with their unions like to put the blame on Prefunding whenever possible but it is only part of the issue. The other disturbing issue is that the USPS can't layoff anyone because of union restrictions. You have an organization that is losing volume and revenue every year but can't cut people, which is why their labor cost is incredibly high.

The USPS is supposed to be 'independent' and not recieve tax dollars, sure they take a loss in some areas, but that is supposed to be overcome by a surplus in others. Surplus as in junk-mail and selling your name and address to junk mailers.
 
2012-05-12 12:22:26 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: What was the Department of Defense's profit last year?


Profit? Not so much.

Revnue? Probably a shiatload. We sell a lot of weapons. I'm sure it's like .000001% of what they spend, but they are taking in quite a shiatload of cash.
 
2012-05-12 12:23:01 PM  
That'd be "Revenue", Chet.
 
2012-05-12 12:24:08 PM  
I think their primary business function is to deliver junk mail for businesses.

They need to stop pretending they do much more than that and design a business plan around it.
 
2012-05-12 12:25:14 PM  

Lt_Ryan: The USPS even admits that the Prefunding is only part of the the issue. The USPS along with their unions like to put the blame on Prefunding whenever possible but it is only part of the issue. The other disturbing issue is that the USPS can't layoff anyone because of union restrictions. You have an organization that is losing volume and revenue every year but can't cut people, which is why their labor cost is incredibly high.


And they also cannot raise stamp prices to cover shortfalls without Congressional approval.
 
2012-05-12 12:33:45 PM  
Cyberluddite

mandated by Article I

Nope. Allowed by Article I, not mandated.

The USPS has a monopoly by law. How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me (and properly funding pensions is only part of the problem -- and if the USPS doesnt want to do that, they can switch to a defined contribution plan, instead of defined benefits and budget problem solved).
 
2012-05-12 12:35:08 PM  
It's supposed to lose money. Jesus, that 3.2 billion is the best money we spend every year.
 
2012-05-12 12:37:25 PM  
Appropriate to the topic:

American Letter Mail Company
 
2012-05-12 12:39:27 PM  
AH yes the Postal Service, proving that if we ran the Nation like a Business, we would have been liquidated to China years ago!
 
2012-05-12 12:45:40 PM  

Tjos Weel: The USPS has a monopoly by law. How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me (and properly funding pensions is only part of the problem -- and if the USPS doesnt want to do that, they can switch to a defined contribution plan, instead of defined benefits and budget problem solved).


Ask their Board of Directors - Congress, like Enrons BOD did they run iot for what thye cna get out of it. from mandating Delivery days and Costs to telling them where to have a Post Office Congress runs it as a vote gathering income producind machine with no eye on running it as a true Business. As for the Pension Plan the problem there is that Unlike any other Business in the World they are forced to fund any employees pension at time of hire, now the kicker is if they lose an employee before retirement they do not get back the excess funds they paid, making them congresses own little slush fund
 
2012-05-12 12:49:04 PM  
My USPS solution.

Keep daily deliver to PO Boxes at post office branches (no need to close any, even rural ones, with the rest of my plan).

Home delivery is reduced to once per week. If you need your mail more often, buy a PO Box. Fire 5/6ths of the route delivery staff. Okay, maybe 2/3rds, as the amount of mail carried at once will increase, so might need slightly more carriers per delivery.
 
2012-05-12 12:52:20 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


Done in one.
 
2012-05-12 12:52:20 PM  

Tjos Weel: Nope. Allowed by Article I, not mandated.

The USPS has a monopoly by law. How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me (and properly funding pensions is only part of the problem -- and if the USPS doesnt want to do that, they can switch to a defined contribution plan, instead of defined benefits and budget problem solved).


Yes, it's "allowed" rather than "mandated" in the same manner that all of Congress' other enumerated powers in Article I, section 8 are "allowed" and not technically "mandated," such as the power to establish and army and a navy, declare war, create a system of federal courts, create taxes, excercise control over the District of Columbia, etc. It's hard to believe that Congress would ever decide not to do any of them, though.

And the USPS doesn't exactly have a monopoly--you can send something by UPS, FedEx, or a dozen other services. But FedEx--or any other for-profit entity--sure as hell isn't going to deliver a letter from a rural post office in the backwoods of Maine to at hut at the end of a dirt road in the most unpopulated and isolated island of Hawaii for 45 cents, or even for 10 or 20 times that much. And that is why the USPS can't "break even"--it's because it's a government service, not a for-profit business, and is required to serve all American citizens, not just the ones it can turn a profit off of. If they had to charge the actual cost to deliver mail from one isolated post office to another (and recover the cost of keeping all of those isolated post offices open), nobody could afford to mail a letter. And given the widespread use of e-mail, e-billing, e-payments, and other electronic communications, they don't handle the volume of mail they used to have, so they've lost the efficiency of higher volumes and the incremental, per-piece costs get higher.
 
2012-05-12 12:52:45 PM  
Azlefty

iot for what thye cna

Did you have a stroke in the middle of that sentence? It cleared right up.

Ask their Board of Directors - Congress

I suggest they vote in a new BOD. They have had a D run and an R run BOD. Maybe they should try a different option.
 
2012-05-12 12:53:00 PM  

Lt_Ryan: ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

The Postal Service lost $5.1 billion in fiscal year 2011 and was unable to make a massive annual payment for future retiree health benefits, which is required by law. The agency said much of the loss during the second quarter of 2012 came from setting aside funds for the $11.1 billion that is due this year.

The USPS even admits that the Prefunding is only part of the the issue. The USPS along with their unions like to put the blame on Prefunding whenever possible but it is only part of the issue. The other disturbing issue is that the USPS can't layoff anyone because of union restrictions. You have an organization that is losing volume and revenue every year but can't cut people, which is why their labor cost is incredibly high.

The USPS is supposed to be 'independent' and not recieve tax dollars, sure they take a loss in some areas, but that is supposed to be overcome by a surplus in others. Surplus as in junk-mail and selling your name and address to junk mailers.


Pre-funding is 5.5 billion per year and last year the loss was 5.1 billion. That would have been 400 million in the plus. Not saying there shouldn't be some degree of pre-funding but the current requirements are nothing but union busting by law.
 
2012-05-12 12:54:05 PM  

Lt_Ryan: The USPS is supposed to be 'independent' and not recieve tax dollars


Why the fark not? It's the bloody post office It's a critical part of this nation's infrastructure and specifically authorized by law.

I find it somewhat interesting that in the US people only go to the post office to send/pick up letters and packages. Pretty much the only "extra" services they offer is passport applications, selective service registration, and PO boxes. In Europe the post offices offer a lot more services. In Switzerland (where I'm currently residing) the post office offers the basic postal services but also has a coin-op public copy machine, a modest "convenience" shopping section (where one can buy various knicknacks like batteries, travel power adapters, flashlights, and other stuff), they're a sales agent for the various mobile phone companies in the country, and they're also a full-featured bank with ATMs at every branch (and the postal clerks can also take care of everyday financial transactions like deposits).

Honestly, I don't get how the USPS can charge so little for what it does. Roughly $0.50 to send a letter anywhere in the country? That's pretty awesome, but I can't imagine it pays the bills. Here it's about $1 to send a domestic letter by 3-day mail (a sort of "second-class" letter mail) and $1.15 to send it overnight "first-class" mail and the country's tiny.

Whatever the reason it's sucking, the USPS really needs to get its head out of its ass.
 
2012-05-12 12:56:32 PM  

Tjos Weel: My USPS solution.

Keep daily deliver to PO Boxes at post office branches (no need to close any, even rural ones, with the rest of my plan).

Home delivery is reduced to once per week. If you need your mail more often, buy a PO Box. Fire 5/6ths of the route delivery staff. Okay, maybe 2/3rds, as the amount of mail carried at once will increase, so might need slightly more carriers per delivery.


So, because it costs a little money to have a decent system, we should have a postal system less convenient and efficient than the most ass-backward third-world shiathole country's system? U-S-A!! U-S-A!!
 
2012-05-12 12:56:36 PM  
Cyberluddite

And the USPS doesn't exactly have a monopoly--you can send something by UPS, FedEx, or a dozen other services.

Wrong. None of them are allowed to deliver "non-urgent" letters. The USPS allows competition with urgent letters and for package delivery, but not for standard mail delivery. See my American Letter Mail Company link for an example. They have an absolute monopoly on regular mail.
 
2012-05-12 01:01:18 PM  
Cyberluddite

A system with daily deliver to your local post office PO Box isnt backwards. It is very convenient and efficient. Less convenient than the box on the street, but barely.

I have a PO Box for business. I dont visit it daily, but it isnt out of the way or anything. Heck, I dont visit the box in my front yard daily either (actually, technically my neighbors side yard as its across the street from my house).
 
2012-05-12 01:03:14 PM  

Lt_Ryan: ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

The Postal Service lost $5.1 billion in fiscal year 2011 and was unable to make a massive annual payment for future retiree health benefits, which is required by law. The agency said much of the loss during the second quarter of 2012 came from setting aside funds for the $11.1 billion that is due this year.

The USPS even admits that the Prefunding is only part of the the issue. The USPS along with their unions like to put the blame on Prefunding whenever possible but it is only part of the issue. The other disturbing issue is that the USPS can't layoff anyone because of union restrictions. You have an organization that is losing volume and revenue every year but can't cut people, which is why their labor cost is incredibly high.

The USPS is supposed to be 'independent' and not recieve tax dollars, sure they take a loss in some areas, but that is supposed to be overcome by a surplus in others. Surplus as in junk-mail and selling your name and address to junk mailers.


They are independent. They receive not a dime from taxpayers.

They don't need to cut people, when they've already been paying overtime for the excess capacity. This is why they're trying to cut Saturday service to free up desperately needed workers for other services.

They are also critically underfunded because congress mandated they pay 70 years of retirement benefits right now, while simultaneously blocking them from raising any money to actually pay. It's an impossible situation. Any other minor problems are lost in this massive money hole's vortex.
 
2012-05-12 01:04:39 PM  
heypete


In Switzerland (where I'm currently residing) the post office offers the basic postal services but also has a coin-op public copy machine, a modest "convenience" shopping section (where one can buy various knicknacks like batteries, travel power adapters, flashlights, and other stuff), they're a sales agent for the various mobile phone companies in the country, and they're also a full-featured bank with ATMs at every branch (and the postal clerks can also take care of everyday financial transactions like deposits).


When I lived in Switzerland, I got paid at the post office (via the bank). Does the PO still run the postal buses between towns?
 
2012-05-12 01:04:54 PM  
My solution is for the government to stop sending out envelopes with "No Postage Necessary if Mailed Within the United States". Social Security Administration, IRS, etc. send out probably billions of those pre-paid envelopes every year. Make people stick a stamp on those and you could probably cover the shortfall.
 
2012-05-12 01:10:52 PM  
Cyberluddite

It's hard to believe that Congress would ever decide not to do any of them, though.

Many of the founding fathers were opposed to a standing army, so they hoped congress wouldnt use that power, except when necessary. Its also why the Army (but not the Navy) can only be funded for 2 years at a time.

grant letters of marque and reprisal

They have pretty much ignored this power.

Ditto these:

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 
2012-05-12 01:18:25 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


All businesses that can go under step forward. Not so fast, USPS.

/Or GM, Chrysler, Goldman Sachs ...
 
2012-05-12 01:18:45 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


This.
 
2012-05-12 01:20:38 PM  

Tjos Weel: When I lived in Switzerland, I got paid at the post office (via the bank). Does the PO still run the postal buses between towns?


Yup, the PostAuto buses still run to places the trains don't.

The post office also handles some (all?) of the inter-bank money routing and electronic billing.
 
2012-05-12 01:23:06 PM  

Tjos Weel: How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me


Because congress has to approve any rate hikes.
 
2012-05-12 01:23:19 PM  

Tjos Weel: My USPS solution.

Keep daily deliver to PO Boxes at post office branches (no need to close any, even rural ones, with the rest of my plan).

Home delivery is reduced to once per week. If you need your mail more often, buy a PO Box. Fire 5/6ths of the route delivery staff. Okay, maybe 2/3rds, as the amount of mail carried at once will increase, so might need slightly more carriers per delivery.


OR, instead of saying, "rent a box if you want more frequent mail," how about letting people pay private entities to pick up their mail at the PO and bring it to them, such as the same folks who deliver daily newspapers? They're coming to your house anyway and the incremental cost should be quite reasonable.
 
2012-05-12 01:25:35 PM  

Tjos Weel: Many of the founding fathers were opposed to a standing army, so they hoped congress wouldnt use that power, except when necessary. Its also why the Army (but not the Navy) can only be funded for 2 years at a time.


Actually, the power to create a standing army was explicitly debated and not granted. They didn't intend congress to have that power at all- that's what the 2nd amendment is for. Militias were supposed to be the first line defense for an invasion.

Times have seriously changed, which is why I have no problem with the standing army setup we have. The scope of it I'll contest, but we should absolutely have a standing army.
 
2012-05-12 01:27:21 PM  

cptjeff: Tjos Weel: Many of the founding fathers were opposed to a standing army, so they hoped congress wouldnt use that power, except when necessary. Its also why the Army (but not the Navy) can only be funded for 2 years at a time.

Actually, the power to create a standing army was explicitly debated and not granted. They didn't intend congress to have that power at all- that's what the 2nd amendment is for. Militias were supposed to be the first line defense for an invasion.

Times have seriously changed, which is why I have no problem with the standing army setup we have. The scope of it I'll contest, but we should absolutely have a standing army.


I should mention that that's the reason they've ignored the militia clauses. Because once you ignore the intended prohibition on standing armies, it's meaningless.
 
2012-05-12 01:32:34 PM  
It's a sad and slightly scary day.

Government functions are privatized to contractors with little to no oversight. Government services are expected to operate as and compete with businesses.

Not everything in this world is suppoed to be for profit because not everything in this world is supposed to have profit as it's main goal.

What if the military had to turn a profit? We might be maurauding on 6 of the 7 continents.
What if your local department of transportation, or the highway system had to turn a profit? You might not be able to afford to drive.

This is why we pay taxes. Because if everything was for profit our civilization would consume itself with corporate fascism.

*looks at the newspaper*

ah shiat,
we accidently the whole thing didn't we?
 
2012-05-12 01:36:46 PM  

Tjos Weel: The USPS has a monopoly by law.


No, they don't.
 
2012-05-12 01:37:18 PM  

heypete: I find it somewhat interesting that in the US people only go to the post office to send/pick up letters and packages. Pretty much the only "extra" services they offer is passport applications, selective service registration, and PO boxes. In Europe the post offices offer a lot more services. In Switzerland (where I'm currently residing) the post office offers the basic postal services but also has a coin-op public copy machine, a modest "convenience" shopping section (where one can buy various knicknacks like batteries, travel power adapters, flashlights, and other stuff), they're a sales agent for the various mobile phone companies in the country, and they're also a full-featured bank with ATMs at every branch (and the postal clerks can also take care of everyday financial transactions like deposits).


In Europe - post office reform in most countries has already happened (including completely privatizing the post office in some). In the US - it hasn't. And the Post Office is not allowed to do it itself - its needs Congress which is completely stuck in partisan bickering at the moment.
 
2012-05-12 01:38:19 PM  

cptjeff: Actually, the power to create a standing army was explicitly debated and not granted. They didn't intend congress to have that power at all- that's what the 2nd amendment is for. Militias were supposed to be the first line defense for an invasion.


And up until WW2 - we largely dismantlement our forces after a major conflict.
 
2012-05-12 01:45:50 PM  
SharkTrager

No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

Private Express Statutes
 
2012-05-12 02:03:38 PM  

Forgot_my_password_again: I think their primary business function is to deliver junk mail for businesses.


That and provide forwarding addresses to businesses when I move. I'm still getting letters from my alma mater asking me to donate money to them. How the fark do they know my address? The USPS gives it to them.

I'm sure there are other ways for businesses to track me but this is the easiest.

They need to stop pretending they do much more than that and design a business plan around it.
 
2012-05-12 02:31:30 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Not everything in this world is suppoed to be for profit because not everything in this world is supposed to have profit as it's main goal.


shaddup, commie.
 
2012-05-12 03:20:26 PM  
Did the US military make a profit? No? Then STFU
 
2012-05-12 03:36:51 PM  

Tjos Weel: Cyberluddite

A system with daily deliver to your local post office PO Box isnt backwards. It is very convenient and efficient. Less convenient than the box on the street, but barely.


A PO box is also a helluva lot more secure than a roadside, unlocked mailbox, if identity theft means anything to you.
 
2012-05-12 03:41:58 PM  
This is like comparing test scores between private schools that can pay top-dollar for talented teachers and throw out problematic students who will hurt their scores, and public schools that pay shiat and have to take everyone.

The USPS provides a government service. You can't demand coverage to every backwater town from Cousinfark, AL to Justrocks, WY and then complain that they don't turn a profit.
 
2012-05-12 04:08:36 PM  
The problems for the usps are based on not just a drop of revenue. They are being expected to pay for 75 years of health care benefits in 10 years. They also charge the same amount to send a letter from Philadelphia to New York City as they do when sending a letter from Philadelphia to Wasilla or Big Horn Wyoming.
 
2012-05-12 04:34:12 PM  
Or to put it another way:

Daily mail delivery costs 13 billion dollars per year to cover the USPS's shortfalls. Our tax revenues were 2.5 trillion last year (or so says Wikipedia, I'm too lazy to google any further).

So that's .0052% of our budget to have mail delivery throughout the country and all the niceties it brings with it. Remind me again what I care? The USPS is not preventing us from balancing budget or even eating up a noticeable amount of our federal taxes. As far as what I pay for what I get, big farking deal.
 
2012-05-12 04:37:11 PM  
Cut mail delivery to 4 days a week.
Cut post office hours to 40 hours a week
Close rarely used post offices that are within 20 miles of another post office.
 
2012-05-12 04:45:08 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This is like comparing test scores between private schools that can pay top-dollar for talented teachers and throw out problematic students who will hurt their scores, and public schools that pay shiat and have to take everyone.

The USPS provides a government service. You can't demand coverage to every backwater town from Cousinfark, AL to Justrocks, WY and then complain that they don't turn a profit.


most private school teachers i know get paid less than public school teachers. i'm in CA though, so that may be why.
 
2012-05-12 04:50:05 PM  

Tjos Weel: Cyberluddite

It's hard to believe that Congress would ever decide not to do any of them, though.

Many of the founding fathers were opposed to a standing army, so they hoped congress wouldnt use that power, except when necessary. Its also why the Army (but not the Navy) can only be funded for 2 years at a time.

grant letters of marque and reprisal

But that would be awesome if they did.
they sort of do though, by authorizing things like Blackwater

They have pretty much ignored this power.

Ditto these:

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


Umm.. that is called the National Guard.
 
2012-05-12 05:20:39 PM  

dramboxf: Three Crooked Squirrels: What was the Department of Defense's profit last year?

Profit? Not so much.

Revnue? Probably a shiatload. We sell a lot of weapons. I'm sure it's like .000001% of what they spend, but they are taking in quite a shiatload of cash.


The US military doesn't sell weapons.

Tjos Weel: The USPS has a monopoly by law. How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me (and properly funding pensions is only part of the problem -- and if the USPS doesnt want to do that, they can switch to a defined contribution plan, instead of defined benefits and budget problem solved).


USPS has a monopoly, eh. Someone better tell that to UPS, Fedex...
 
2012-05-12 05:24:06 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Or to put it another way:

Daily mail delivery costs 13 billion dollars per year to cover the USPS's shortfalls. Our tax revenues were 2.5 trillion last year (or so says Wikipedia, I'm too lazy to google any further).

So that's .0052% of our budget to have mail delivery throughout the country and all the niceties it brings with it. Remind me again what I care? The USPS is not preventing us from balancing budget or even eating up a noticeable amount of our federal taxes. As far as what I pay for what I get, big farking deal.


Of the ~$13bn USPS budget, almost exactly $0.00 of it comes from the US Government, and it's been that way since the 1980s. They're given a small amount to ensure delivery of ballots to disabled and overseas voters, but that's it.
 
2012-05-12 05:38:37 PM  
delathi

Umm.. that is called the National Guard.

The National Guard is specifically NOT the militia.

Satanic_Hamster

USPS has a monopoly, eh. Someone better tell that to UPS, Fedex...

Next time you get a non-urgent LETTER delivered by UPS or Fedex let me know. Or you could try reading the thread and the links I posted. You know, where their exception was specifically covered.

The USPS has a monopoly on standard mail.
 
2012-05-12 05:41:49 PM  
R.P.M.

most private school teachers i know get paid less than public school teachers. i'm in CA though, so that may be why.

Nope, that is pretty normal. There are exceptions, of course, but most everywhere public schools pay better than private schools.
 
2012-05-12 05:46:47 PM  

Cyberluddite: Tjos Weel: Nope. Allowed by Article I, not mandated.

The USPS has a monopoly by law. How you can have a monopoly and cant break even is beyond me (and properly funding pensions is only part of the problem -- and if the USPS doesnt want to do that, they can switch to a defined contribution plan, instead of defined benefits and budget problem solved).

And the USPS doesn't exactly have a monopoly--you can send something by UPS, FedEx, or a dozen other services. But FedEx--or any other for-profit entity--sure as hell isn't going to deliver a letter from a rural post office in the backwoods of Maine to at hut at the end of a dirt road in the most unpopulated and isolated island of Hawaii for 45 cents, or even for 10 or 20 times that much. And that is why the USPS can't "break even"--it's because it's a government service, not a for-profit business, and is required to serve all American citizens, not just the ones it can turn a profit off of. If they had to charge the actual cost to deliver mail from one isolated post office to another (and recover the cost of keeping all of those isolated post offices open), nobody could afford to mail a letter. And given the widespread use of e-mail, e-billing, e-payments, and other electronic communications, they don't handle the volume of mail they used to have, so they've lost the efficiency of higher volumes and the incremental, per-piece costs get higher.


The USPS has a Monopoly on mail. There are restrictions on what FedEx and UPS can process, first class mail is only USPS, the boundary is somewhat hazy and you could put your little envelope in the bigger FedEx one, but the boundary is there.

The USPS doesn't deliver door-door either in many cases, in rural areas they don't deliver to the door and give people free PO Boxes. Taking a loss on some items is fine, so long as other areas cover the gap. The 10 pieces of junk mail per day should cover the pieces they lose out on, considering most or bulk delivered to the final PO the cost for those is minimal. The USPS also doesn't pay tolls, gas tax, road tax or many other taxes because of their quasi government standing.
 
2012-05-12 05:52:41 PM  

9beers: Cut mail delivery to 4 days a week.
Cut post office hours to 40 hours a week
Close rarely used post offices that are within 20 miles of another post office.


USPS union rules state that their can be no layoffs. Which means all the people displaced by your cuts would end up sitting in a room still collecting a paycheck. This is pretty much why the USPS is basically hemorrhaging money (most of it in labor) and they have said numerous times they'd like to cut 200,000 jobs. Essentially right now they have 200,000 too many people because mail volume has dropped so much.
 
2012-05-12 06:00:54 PM  

Tjos Weel: delathi

Umm.. that is called the National Guard.

The National Guard is specifically NOT the militia.


Tell that to the guys at the National Guard Bureau in DC who will consistently point to that specific part of the Constitution to justify all kinds of stuff. Officers like TAGs are appointed by the Governor. And then the Pentagon points at it to say that it is up to the states to pay for the training.
 
2012-05-12 06:01:35 PM  

Lt_Ryan: USPS union rules state that their can be no layoffs. Which means all the people displaced by your cuts would end up sitting in a room still collecting a paycheck.


Sounds like the union needs to go then. The government has the power to make that happen.
 
2012-05-12 06:16:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: The US military doesn't sell weapons.


Huh?
 
2012-05-12 06:19:03 PM  
They are so overpaid with crazy benefits.
 
2012-05-12 06:42:04 PM  

dramboxf: Satanic_Hamster: The US military doesn't sell weapons.

Huh?


Pentagon approves arms sales, but the money is going to the defense contractors who actually make the weapons systems.
 
2012-05-12 06:58:49 PM  
The cause of this is ..among other things, a bunch or rightwing F@rkheads.

It shouldn't be required to make a profit.
It's in the CONSTITUTION! That's like saying roads & bridges have to be profitable. They don't. They're public services that are mandated by the founding fathers as necessary for the functioning of the country.

People who are quick to de-fund and thus destroy things that may cost money are often idiots. This is especially true when Bush's congress demanded that they prepay their pensions for 70 years. They did it because they're retards who hate government, and so they decided to force it to fail in order to prove that government always fails.

And it can't make a profit anyway because it has Fedex & UPS & DHL cherry-picking the profitable routes, leaving them to maintain last-mile services in Appalachia & other low-population-zones. They're piggy-backers. They just dump the packages in the mail if they don't have local delivery.

If any Tea Party morons ever complain about losing their local post office, they can kiss my @ss.
 
2012-05-12 07:00:52 PM  
The problem with the USPS is not unions. It's MANDATED preference for veterans, no matter their level of incompetence.
 
2012-05-12 07:22:02 PM  

9beers: Cut mail delivery to 4 days a week.
Cut post office hours to 40 hours a week
Close rarely used post offices that are within 20 miles of another post office.


If you add, "Hire people that can actually SPEAK FARKING ENGLISH" I'd back you 100%.
 
2012-05-12 08:14:50 PM  

Thagnut: And it can't make a profit anyway because it has Fedex & UPS & DHL cherry-picking the profitable routes, leaving them to maintain last-mile services in Appalachia & other low-population-zones. They're piggy-backers. They just dump the packages in the mail if they don't have local delivery.


Explain how FedEx and UPS cherrypick? I didn't list DHL because they pulled out of the domestic US business a few years ago. UPS and FedEx will both do door to door pickup to deliver if that is what the customer (the shipper) pays for. USPS doesn't do door to door in some rural areas, they only provide free PO boxes. FedEx offers SmartPost and UPS SurePost, both are OPTIONAL low cost services offered to customers because of the demand for low cost shipping options.

Anyway it is a mute point, as the USPS should charge UPS and FedEx the correct amount to cover the cost to deliver such items. Unlike first class mail the USPS has the authority to negotiate the rates for these services.

This is case in point why the USPS is floundering while UPS and FedEx are both growing. UPS and FedEx saw the customer demand for low cost services and then adpated and offered that service. Meanwhile the USPS isn't adapting, instead they run commercials trying to sell people on how awesome paper statements are. Mailboxes, they can't be hacked, but they can be opened by anyone that passes by.
 
2012-05-12 08:35:28 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Pentagon approves arms sales, but the money is going to the defense contractors who actually make the weapons systems.


Yeah, point granted.
 
2012-05-12 09:15:02 PM  

cptjeff: Because congress has to approve any rate hikes.


Not Congress exactly, but a Presidential-appointed/Senate-confirmed rate commission. Which, yes, has meant that sending a domestic letter in the US is cheaper than domestic letters in places like Mexico, Turkey, and Peru... let alone Australia or any European country. And it's impossible to raise them to sane levels. Yes, volumes would go down if mail went to 75 cents. People would have to be laid off. But, when you're losing money on every single farking letter, that's exactly what any business with any sanity would do.
 
2012-05-13 12:03:34 AM  

Lt_Ryan: Thagnut: And it can't make a profit anyway because it has Fedex & UPS & DHL cherry-picking the profitable routes, leaving them to maintain last-mile services in Appalachia & other low-population-zones. They're piggy-backers. They just dump the packages in the mail if they don't have local delivery.

Explain how FedEx and UPS cherrypick? I didn't list DHL because they pulled out of the domestic US business a few years ago. UPS and FedEx will both do door to door pickup to deliver if that is what the customer (the shipper) pays for. USPS doesn't do door to door in some rural areas, they only provide free PO boxes. FedEx offers SmartPost and UPS SurePost, both are OPTIONAL low cost services offered to customers because of the demand for low cost shipping options.

Anyway it is a mute point, as the USPS should charge UPS and FedEx the correct amount to cover the cost to deliver such items. Unlike first class mail the USPS has the authority to negotiate the rates for these services.

This is case in point why the USPS is floundering while UPS and FedEx are both growing. UPS and FedEx saw the customer demand for low cost services and then adpated and offered that service. Meanwhile the USPS isn't adapting, instead they run commercials trying to sell people on how awesome paper statements are. Mailboxes, they can't be hacked, but they can be opened by anyone that passes by.


cdn0.sbnation.com
Allright, it's true. Of cousre, nobody NEEDS mail. What... what... you think you're so clever figuring that one out? But, you don't know the half of what goes on here. So just walk away, Lt_Ryan, I beg of you.
 
2012-05-13 12:55:22 AM  

Lt_Ryan: The USPS doesn't deliver door-door either in many cases, in rural areas they don't deliver to the door and give people free PO Boxes.


Last town I lived in, didn't have street delivery. Your choices for receiving mail were rent a PO box or have it sent to General Delivery and pick it up at the window. Not a lot of business want to set up an account if you're getting your mail as General Delivery.
 
2012-05-13 01:10:29 AM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


Came to say exactly this, word for word.
 
2012-05-13 01:53:33 AM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


We are done in one.

I'd also add:

All businesses that are allowed to raise prices as necessary, take a step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS.


I like the postal service. It does have a limited lifespan, eventually everything will be internet mail. But we aren't there yet, and we definitely won't be until good internet service reaches the boonies.
 
2012-05-13 02:00:35 AM  

Tjos Weel: SharkTrager

No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

Private Express Statutes


It doesn't matter; the system of driving all over the country every day delivering and picking it up can only function efficiently as a monopoly anyways. One company can barely do the service well and at a good cost as it is. You want to take the same bulk amount of mail service, divide it up among multiple companies, and have them all set up their own fleets of vehicles to deliver half the mail?

Now, you'd probably see the following occur:
1. High population areas would see a second company strip USPS of that territory. You'd pay less for some other form of postage for these deliveries.
2. The post office would still be the only one delivering to low population areas. Only now, since the high population areas aren't subsidizing the cost, you'll all have to pay more, or see continually decreasing service. Or the government would step in and cover the difference.
 
2012-05-13 02:44:55 AM  
Here's what I think.... screw capitalism. Trim the fat, sure, but just subsidize mail service, consider it as part of US infrastructure, eat the cost.
 
Juc
2012-05-13 06:11:51 AM  
Why isn't the USPS government owned anyway?
 
2012-05-13 06:22:11 AM  

Juc: Why isn't the USPS government owned anyway?


President Nixon.

As for the $32 billion loss, it only proves that the pension obligation is designed to kill the USPS.
 
2012-05-13 06:30:14 AM  

sethstorm: As for the $3.2 billion loss, it only proves that the pension obligation is designed to kill the USPS.


Corrected.
 
2012-05-13 09:27:01 AM  

Lt_Ryan: 9beers: Cut mail delivery to 4 days a week.
Cut post office hours to 40 hours a week
Close rarely used post offices that are within 20 miles of another post office.

USPS union rules state that their can be no layoffs. Which means all the people displaced by your cuts would end up sitting in a room still collecting a paycheck. This is pretty much why the USPS is basically hemorrhaging money (most of it in labor) and they have said numerous times they'd like to cut 200,000 jobs. Essentially right now they have 200,000 too many people because mail volume has dropped so much.


Majority of that 20K job cuts would be through closing branches which the public, in poll after poll, is against. And, who of course listens to that? Oh yeah, Congress critters.

Everybody wants to cut government spending. Just cut the kind that affects somebody else.
 
2012-05-13 09:34:07 AM  

Gig103: Why should any government agency be expected to turn a profit?


Seriously. I don't see Congress getting ready to shut down the Pentagon and the rest of the Department of Defense if they don't meet their earnings per share each quarter.
 
2012-05-13 09:43:47 AM  

Founder of the USPS:

thehistoryjunkie.com



The USPS is the very fabric our country is knitted together with, as it has been for nearly 250 years. But now all of a sudden some greedy kleptocrats want to dismantle it to line their own pockets. I say "no".

Are they 100% perfect? No. Are they nearly perfect? Yes.

Can they ship your letter or your package anywhere in the country in 2-3 days for peanuts, rain, snow, or shine, much more efficiently than private corporations such as Fedex? Yes.

Are they a bunch of hard working professionals that don't often get the credit they deserve? Yes.

Are they the envy of every other country's mail system? Yes.


They are the backbone of this country's economy. And if most Americans knew how quickly their country, its cohesiveness, and its economy would disintegrate without the USPS, they would too.
 
2012-05-13 09:54:11 AM  

9beers: Cut mail delivery to 4 days a week.
Cut post office hours to 40 hours a week
Close rarely used post offices that are within 20 miles of another post office.


Are you trolling or just an idiot? Would you really want to drive 20+ miles (40+ miles round trip) to the nearest post office to pick up a package because you weren't home to sign for it? Aside from the huge inconvenience, the wasted fuel is quite expensive. Plus, imagine the piles of packages that would pile up at the "nearest post office".

On that subject, imagine the amount of mail that would pile up at the post office from cutting mail delivery to four days.

/Just raise the price of stamps already.
 
2012-05-13 10:12:52 AM  
What the privatization morons don't ever seem to realize is that FedEx, UPS and others use the USPS logistics backbone as well. I've had stuff shipped UPS and delivered USPS.

Hose USPS, all costs go up. And "unprofitable" routes (pretty much most of them) will close.
 
2012-05-13 10:46:34 AM  

Thagnut: The cause of this is ..among other things, a bunch or rightwing F@rkheads.

It shouldn't be required to make a profit.
It's in the CONSTITUTION! That's like saying roads & bridges have to be profitable. They don't. They're public services that are mandated by the founding fathers as necessary for the functioning of the country.

People who are quick to de-fund and thus destroy things that may cost money are often idiots. This is especially true when Bush's congress demanded that they prepay their pensions for 70 years. They did it because they're retards who hate government, and so they decided to force it to fail in order to prove that government always fails.

And it can't make a profit anyway because it has Fedex & UPS & DHL cherry-picking the profitable routes, leaving them to maintain last-mile services in Appalachia & other low-population-zones. They're piggy-backers. They just dump the packages in the mail if they don't have local delivery.

If any Tea Party morons ever complain about losing their local post office, they can kiss my @ss.


Are you retarded? Really... I want to know. Could you show the class your work please? Authorized doesn't mean mandated - words have meanings. You can't just change them on a whim because it is a big word and using it makes you feel like you're smarter than a turtle.

I'm curious as to where this constitutionally mandated post office idea is coming from. (Not that the Republicans aren't idiots, just that you're equally retarded or perhaps slightly more so.)

So yeah, show us how brilliant you are and find us this mandate in the constitution. I'll wait... I'll even get an email when you reply with your evidence.
 
2012-05-13 11:05:02 AM  

Lt_Ryan: Anyway it is a mute point,


A what?
 
2012-05-13 11:08:50 AM  
I've shipped boxes overseas with FexEx, UPS, and the USPS.
Guess which box didn't arrive?

fark the USPS. I'll pay more to ship with a company that actually gets my shiat where it needs to go.
 
2012-05-13 11:48:28 AM  

PepperFreak: I've shipped boxes overseas with FexEx, UPS, and the USPS.
Guess which box didn't arrive?

fark the USPS. I'll pay more to ship with a company that actually gets my shiat where it needs to go.


Not to pick on you, but this concept of judging a business by a single interaction is just one more reason why the free market is flawed.

I've had issues with FedEx, but not with the USPS when it comes to packages. I would guess neither of us has enough interactions make a well informed decision. But we pretty much all do this. Whether its getting unhappy with the service from a dealership who only vaguely represents a car company and then running around telling everyone "xx sucks" or visiting a restaurant once and concluding the same, all we are doing is jumping between businesses offering the same service, and quite possibly with the same rates of good service and poor, and drawing sweeping conclusions that lead us to talk one up and put the other down.
 
2012-05-13 11:53:50 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Lt_Ryan: Anyway it is a mute point,

A what?


Like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter.

It's mooooooooooooooo
 
2012-05-13 12:32:20 PM  

DubyaHater: Are you trolling or just an idiot? Would you really want to drive 20+ miles (40+ miles round trip) to the nearest post office to pick up a package because you weren't home to sign for it? Aside from the huge inconvenience, the wasted fuel is quite expensive. Plus, imagine the piles of packages that would pile up at the "nearest post office".

On that subject, imagine the amount of mail that would pile up at the post office from cutting mail delivery to four days.



Well you certainly seem to be. The overwhelming majority of people haven't stepped foot into a post office for years. Keeping them open just so the occasional person doesn't have to be inconvenienced is a really stupid excuse. As for the mail piling up, you do realize that the reason the post office is losing so much money is because there is so much less mail being sent, right?

Are you trolling or just an idiot?
 
2012-05-13 01:05:22 PM  

9beers: DubyaHater: Are you trolling or just an idiot? Would you really want to drive 20+ miles (40+ miles round trip) to the nearest post office to pick up a package because you weren't home to sign for it? Aside from the huge inconvenience, the wasted fuel is quite expensive. Plus, imagine the piles of packages that would pile up at the "nearest post office".

On that subject, imagine the amount of mail that would pile up at the post office from cutting mail delivery to four days.


Well you certainly seem to be. The overwhelming majority of people haven't stepped foot into a post office for years. Keeping them open just so the occasional person doesn't have to be inconvenienced is a really stupid excuse. As for the mail piling up, you do realize that the reason the post office is losing so much money is because there is so much less mail being sent, right?

Are you trolling or just an idiot?


You do realize that your personal experience does not represent "the overwhelming majority of the population" right? I've had several packages shipped in recent months which I couldn't sign for, so off to the post office I go. Whenever I go, there's a line. People are there for a variety of reasons.....shipping overnight, weighing packages, changing addresses, checking their PO boxes or applying for a passport. The Post Office provides many services beyond licking stamps for you, and all in very convenient locations.

These are my personal observations of the post office that show your overwhelming majority comment might be wrong.

Maybe, just maybe, the post office is losing money because the price of shipping is far too low. I like the convenience and would gladly pay more to keep it.
/you should stop drinking before you post.
 
2012-05-13 01:16:10 PM  

DubyaHater: I've had several packages shipped in recent months which I couldn't sign for, so off to the post office I go. Whenever I go, there's a line. People are there for a variety of reasons.....shipping overnight, weighing packages, changing addresses, checking their PO boxes or applying for a passport. The Post Office provides many services beyond licking stamps for you, and all in very convenient locations.


Oh so my experiences don't count but yours do, got it. With a little planning, most people can avoid ever stepping foot in a post office.

You can request a home pickup for packages
You can ship packages to an address where somebody is there to receive them
Addresses can be changed online
Passports can be obtained through other means
Stamps can be bought anywhere

The overwhelming majority of people can get by just fine without a post office around the corner from them. Keeping them open solely for convenience is the reason they're losing so much money. For those that have no choice to do business there, a 20 mile drive isn't that far, deal with it.
 
2012-05-13 02:05:17 PM  
All businesses step forward. Not so fast USPS
 
2012-05-13 02:10:12 PM  

LibertyHiller: ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

Done in one.


No it's not. That's a dog whistle for idiot liberals who don't think the USPS should have to honor the promises it made to the union over the past 5 decades. The reason Congress mandated pre-funding in the first place is because the USPS was pretending like they could fund their pension obligations with future employees because, get this, the USPS assumed they would GROW over the next 40 years.

So that's what you people are cheering on: a farkig retard sandwich. Take away the pre-fund and the USPS can't honor their obligations. Which, of course, is just fine by idiot liberals because someone else will have to pay for it, right?
 
2012-05-13 02:39:57 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


All businesses that aren't for-profit businesses but are socialized government services, step forward....

Nice to see you, USPS!
 
2012-05-13 02:55:52 PM  

Tjos Weel: R.P.M.

most private school teachers i know get paid less than public school teachers. i'm in CA though, so that may be why.

Nope, that is pretty normal. There are exceptions, of course, but most everywhere public schools pay better than private schools.


thanks for the heads up!
 
2012-05-13 03:25:25 PM  

Tjos Weel: Wrong. None of them are allowed to deliver "non-urgent" letters.


You can put a letter in a box and mail it.

So, yeah, who is wrong?
 
2012-05-13 03:27:16 PM  
Oh, right, that would cost more than the USPS.

Just as ANY OTHER F*CKING SERVICE OFFERED BY FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES SUCH AS FEDEX OR UPS COSTS MORE THAN IT DOES THROUGH THE USPS*.

*freight may be the exception, and a relatively small percentage of cases where packages are odd dimensions or extremely heavy weights, in which you may save a buck once you include things like insurance and delivery confirmation
 
2012-05-13 03:31:13 PM  
I was waiting in line at a post office recently (a line consisting of about 8 people with 3 windows open), when a postal employee approached me asking what services I needed. She put check marks on a form for stamps, insurance, etc. She gave me this form and told me to give it to the person at the window. My wait in line was less than 5 minutes and I ended up telling ther person at the window the same information. WTF???

So if I were to offer the USPS a simple suggestion for saving money, fire this person.
 
2012-05-13 03:33:53 PM  

9beers: The overwhelming majority of people can get by just fine without a post office around the corner from them.


I don't have so much of a problem with closing some satellite post offices in major cities. Also, no problem with adjusting hours, delivery schedules, and the like. Hell, I even suggested cutting deliveries of non-Priority/Express items to three or four days per week, and on other days basically only deliver the higher-cost packages or letters. Another possibility, on top of this, would be to charge extra for the privilege of having deliveries 5 or 6 days per week.

But as someone who lives in the western US, and has driven through nearly every community in Oregon with a post office (save the extreme southeast corner, where there are post offices maybe every 100 miles), I can say with authority that you don't know what you're talking about. Unlike the midwest, there are these things called mountains, and post offices in many areas are at greater distances than 20 miles down the road.

9beers: You can request a home pickup for packages
You can ship packages to an address where somebody is there to receive them
Addresses can be changed online
Passports can be obtained through other means
Stamps can be bought anywhere


Oh, hey, look. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Example: international shipping.
 
2012-05-13 03:34:54 PM  

Lsherm: LibertyHiller: ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

Done in one.

No it's not. That's a dog whistle for idiot liberals who don't think the USPS should have to honor the promises it made to the union over the past 5 decades. The reason Congress mandated pre-funding in the first place is because the USPS was pretending like they could fund their pension obligations with future employees because, get this, the USPS assumed they would GROW over the next 40 years.

So that's what you people are cheering on: a farkig retard sandwich. Take away the pre-fund and the USPS can't honor their obligations. Which, of course, is just fine by idiot liberals because someone else will have to pay for it, right?


Actually, the vast majority of people who are the MOST upset about the potential closure of local post offices are conservatives in extremely small communities. But, yeah, keep blaming teh liburulz.
 
2012-05-13 04:13:07 PM  

9beers: DubyaHater: I've had several packages shipped in recent months which I couldn't sign for, so off to the post office I go. Whenever I go, there's a line. People are there for a variety of reasons.....shipping overnight, weighing packages, changing addresses, checking their PO boxes or applying for a passport. The Post Office provides many services beyond licking stamps for you, and all in very convenient locations.

Oh so my experiences don't count but yours do, got it. With a little planning, most people can avoid ever stepping foot in a post office.

You can request a home pickup for packages
You can ship packages to an address where somebody is there to receive them
Addresses can be changed online
Passports can be obtained through other means
Stamps can be bought anywhere

The overwhelming majority of people can get by just fine without a post office around the corner from them. Keeping them open solely for convenience is the reason they're losing so much money. For those that have no choice to do business there, a 20 mile drive isn't that far, deal with it.


As usual, you display an astounding ignorance and close-mindedness when informed that reality contradicts your juvenile conception of it.
 
2012-05-13 04:35:44 PM  

puffy999: Oh, hey, look. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Example: international shipping.


How often does 99% of the public ship something internationally? You can keep coming up with these out of the ordinary scenarios all you like, it still doesn't change what I've said. Most people have absolutely no reason to visit a post office on a regular basis and with a little bit of planning, the large majority of the population can avoid ever stepping foot in one.
 
2012-05-13 04:37:51 PM  

Nrokreffefp: As usual, you display an astounding ignorance and close-mindedness when informed that reality contradicts your juvenile conception of it.


Do you have an actual point to make?
 
2012-05-13 06:26:46 PM  

BizarreMan: Lt_Ryan: The USPS doesn't deliver door-door either in many cases, in rural areas they don't deliver to the door and give people free PO Boxes.

Last town I lived in, didn't have street delivery. Your choices for receiving mail were rent a PO box or have it sent to General Delivery and pick it up at the window. Not a lot of business want to set up an account if you're getting your mail as General Delivery.


I worked for a bank and we had a po box for our mail. It was always nice to get out of the branch for 10 or 15 minutes to get the mail.

Lsherm: LibertyHiller: ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS

Done in one.

No it's not. That's a dog whistle for idiot liberals who don't think the USPS should have to honor the promises it made to the union over the past 5 decades. The reason Congress mandated pre-funding in the first place is because the USPS was pretending like they could fund their pension obligations with future employees because, get this, the USPS assumed they would GROW over the next 40 years.

So that's what you people are cheering on: a farkig retard sandwich. Take away the pre-fund and the USPS can't honor their obligations. Which, of course, is just fine by idiot liberals because someone else will have to pay for it, right?


No business is prefunding their healthcare benefits 7.5 times more than they have to. If they had to cover the next 75 years over 30 or 35 years, it would not hit them as bad.

PAEA also puts restraints on how the usps operates. It is hard to fire people, the usps can not out source parts of their operations, they can not make a profit having their competitors use their operations.
 
2012-05-13 10:01:14 PM  

9beers: Nrokreffefp: As usual, you display an astounding ignorance and close-mindedness when informed that reality contradicts your juvenile conception of it.

Do you have an actual point to make?


Yes, that yours are bullshiat. You never have a point to make, you simply ask stupid questions that you could answer yourself but choose to antagonize people actually discussing something with. Example: Your last post.
 
2012-05-13 10:08:27 PM  

ArkAngel: All businesses that have to pre-fund 70 years worth of retirement benefits step forward. Not so fast everyone except USPS


You mean the fact they're funding retirement for employees that haven't been born yet is causing the postal service to have financial difficulties? I'm shocked!
 
2012-05-13 11:46:50 PM  

soj4life: PAEA also puts restraints on how the usps operates. It is hard to fire people, the usps can not out source parts of their operations,


That's a good thing and should be expanded to the private sector - with a provision that makes it harder to not hire directly.
 
2012-05-13 11:48:14 PM  

soj4life: No business is prefunding their healthcare benefits 7.5 times more than they have to. If they had to cover the next 75 years over 30 or 35 years, it would not hit them as bad.


That is a provision that intentionally works against the solvency of the USPS.
 
2012-05-14 12:30:05 AM  

Nrokreffefp: Yes, that yours are bullshiat.


Wow, such detail in your rebuttal.
 
2012-05-14 02:04:54 AM  

Goodfella: Seriously. I don't see Congress getting ready to shut down the Pentagon and the rest of the Department of Defense if they don't meet their earnings per share each quarter.


How many years of prefunded pension could the F-22 program have covered?
 
2012-05-14 09:01:33 AM  
So cut USPS which provides a service for Americans using us taxpayer money. Expand the military which provides a service for foreigners and corporate interests abroad using us taxpayer money. I think I would be ecstatic if the military only lost 3.2B when the net calculating was made.
 
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