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(KATU)   Praise God and serve the $500k defamation lawsuit for a negative online review from a shunned parishoner   (katu.com ) divider line
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2012-05-12 06:04:26 AM  
I don't see how the church's charges against these people will stand up in court.
 
2012-05-12 06:54:10 AM  
But the pastor claims in the lawsuit he filed that her words, "creepy," "cult," "control tactics," and "spiritual abuse," are defamation.

Oh, the irony.
 
2012-05-12 06:55:43 AM  
But the pastor claims in the lawsuit he filed that her words, "creepy," "cult," "control tactics," and "spiritual abuse," are defamation.

There might be something to this lawsuit if she's accusing them of things they aren't true and are seriously damaging their reputation.

When the family left the church ... friends were told to end all contact with her.

On the other hand, this place sounds like a creepy cult which uses spiritual abuse as control tactics on its parishioners, and the case has no merit.
 
2012-05-12 06:59:16 AM  
No, there's no way this will hold up in court.
 
2012-05-12 07:03:03 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I don't see how the church's charges against these people will stand up in court.


Salt Lick Steady: No, there's no way this will hold up in court.


Regardless, the family has to pay for a lawyer, which means they're losing either way.
 
2012-05-12 07:03:59 AM  
Was it this church?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-12 07:05:13 AM  

bhcompy: Bathia_Mapes: I don't see how the church's charges against these people will stand up in court.

Salt Lick Steady: No, there's no way this will hold up in court.

Regardless, the family has to pay for a lawyer, which means they're losing either way.


I would strongly suspect she can find a pro bono lawyer in such a case. These ones are like candy to we who like to do work on constitutional law issues. I would have taken it for free.
 
2012-05-12 07:05:45 AM  
I like how the name of said church is exactly opposite what they seem to practice. No grace, and not biblically based. Well, at least not the Bible I've been accused of trying to follow. You know, love one another, judgment belongs to the LORD, treat others the way you want to be treated, don't be like the hypocrites, etc.

Stop the embarrassing behavior. You're making the rest of us look bad.
 
2012-05-12 07:09:58 AM  

cherryl taggart: Stop the embarrassing behavior. You're making the rest of us look bad.


Who is this "rest of us" kemosabe?

If you mean making rational, non-delusional, non-superstitious human beings, you're spot-on.
 
2012-05-12 07:10:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: But the pastor claims in the lawsuit he filed that her words, "creepy," "cult," "control tactics," and "spiritual abuse," are defamation.

There might be something to this lawsuit if she's accusing them of things they aren't true and are seriously damaging their reputation.



God forbid the article give us any clue about what they actually posted. To me that makes it look like there could be some merit since the article is clearly biased in favor of the defendants. Omitting the reviews entirely seems like poor journalism at the very least but maybe I am leveling myself here...
 
2012-05-12 07:13:59 AM  
Not sure exactly what she wrote, but I would say that the church's lawsuit does not stand a snowball's chance in hell.

Also, what happened to turn the other cheek?
 
2012-05-12 07:15:13 AM  
 
2012-05-12 07:16:00 AM  

rosemary's baby daddy: God forbid the article give us any clue about what they actually posted. To me that makes it look like there could be some merit since the article is clearly biased in favor of the defendants. Omitting the reviews entirely seems like poor journalism at the very least but maybe I am leveling myself here...


There's journalism and then there's American "journalism" more accurately called 'info-tainment.'
 
2012-05-12 07:19:02 AM  

Mock26: Not sure exactly what she wrote, but I would say that the church's lawsuit does not stand a snowball's chance in hell.

Also, what happened to turn the other cheek?


That was the slogan for weak, pu**y Jesus. New Jesus goes by 'turn the other fist - preferably into the face of some commie-heathen sodomite'.
 
2012-05-12 07:19:10 AM  

rosemary's baby daddy: AverageAmericanGuy: But the pastor claims in the lawsuit he filed that her words, "creepy," "cult," "control tactics," and "spiritual abuse," are defamation.

There might be something to this lawsuit if she's accusing them of things they aren't true and are seriously damaging their reputation.

God forbid the article give us any clue about what they actually posted. To me that makes it look like there could be some merit since the article is clearly biased in favor of the defendants. Omitting the reviews entirely seems like poor journalism at the very least but maybe I am leveling myself here...


In the actual complaint filed by the church, those are the words the pastor uses to claim libel. As indicated in the article. And considering that 1.) it's the burden of the church to prove this 'untrue' and 2.) the church would almost certainly be considered a limited purpose public figure, meaning they have to prove malice, there's no way this has a chance of succeeding.

The complaint is a matter of public record if you want to look it up, btw. And it appears whatever website she had has been taken down due to the suit.
 
2012-05-12 07:21:16 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: And it appears whatever website she had has been taken down due to the suit.


I stand corrected!
 
2012-05-12 07:22:00 AM  
God will Fark you up.

/Song absolutely NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzlX9X3E18
 
2012-05-12 07:23:54 AM  
Also, truth is a pretty good defense.
 
2012-05-12 07:25:28 AM  
OK, I have read a few posts from her blog, and I have to say that I like this woman. Sure, I am only reading one side of the story, but of the few posts that I read she comes across as a very down to earth woman with a good head on her shoulders.
 
2012-05-12 07:26:59 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: bhcompy: Bathia_Mapes: I don't see how the church's charges against these people will stand up in court.

Salt Lick Steady: No, there's no way this will hold up in court.

Regardless, the family has to pay for a lawyer, which means they're losing either way.

I would strongly suspect she can find a pro bono lawyer in such a case. These ones are like candy to we who like to do work on constitutional law issues. I would have taken it for free.


Unfortunately, now that you're POTUS, that's not possible right now. But you would have, I'm sure.

/I'd vote for you, but I'm Canadian.
 
2012-05-12 07:31:41 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: And it appears whatever website she had has been taken down due to the suit.

I stand corrected!


The link to her blog is a bit further up the page, posted by me.
 
2012-05-12 07:32:38 AM  
OK, I have read a few posts from her blog, and I have to say that I like this woman. Sure, I am only reading one side of the story, but of the few posts that I read she comes across as a very down to earth woman with a good head on her shoulders.

So far, what I've seen I like her too. One of her entries she links to Google Reviews done by the pastor. He sounds like a nut job who needs to be cock punched.
 
2012-05-12 07:33:44 AM  
How about a nice counter suit harrasment lawsuit against the church? Would enjoy seeing smarmy assholes like this pastor get what is coming to them.
 
2012-05-12 07:34:07 AM  

Mock26: Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: And it appears whatever website she had has been taken down due to the suit.

I stand corrected!

The link to her blog is a bit further up the page, posted by me.


Yes, that's what I was referring to. Thanks for finding it.
 
2012-05-12 07:35:23 AM  

LavenderWolf: Salt Lick Steady: bhcompy: Bathia_Mapes: I don't see how the church's charges against these people will stand up in court.

Salt Lick Steady: No, there's no way this will hold up in court.

Regardless, the family has to pay for a lawyer, which means they're losing either way.

I would strongly suspect she can find a pro bono lawyer in such a case. These ones are like candy to we who like to do work on constitutional law issues. I would have taken it for free.

Unfortunately, now that you're POTUS, that's not possible right now. But you would have, I'm sure.

/I'd vote for you, but I'm Canadian.


The lesbian rumors about Michelle ARE true!
 
2012-05-12 07:35:59 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: Mock26: Salt Lick Steady: Salt Lick Steady: And it appears whatever website she had has been taken down due to the suit.

I stand corrected!

The link to her blog is a bit further up the page, posted by me.

Yes, that's what I was referring to. Thanks for finding it.


Oops. Misread your post. Sorry!
 
2012-05-12 07:36:33 AM  
LOL none of us had ever heard of that church, let alone bothered to read a blog by an ostracized ex-member. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot!

Me thinks this pastor should just go hide under a rock somewhere :D

"creepy," "cult," "control tactics," and "spiritual abuse" - all sounds standard fair for churches who are authoritarian and as Cherryl Taggart expressed above not following Jesus at all.

Bet Julie Anne Smith is enjoying her blog hits (hint: make t-shirts and sell them online ;)
 
2012-05-12 07:39:29 AM  

Mock26: OK, I have read a few posts from her blog, and I have to say that I like this woman. Sure, I am only reading one side of the story, but of the few posts that I read she comes across as a very down to earth woman with a good head on her shoulders.


This was a particularly good observation: "people act unloving and unkind because the rules are more important than the heart of the people"
 
2012-05-12 07:45:00 AM  
Made that quote my msn tag - thanks Barogenesis.

"people act unloving and unkind because the rules are more important than the heart of the people"
 
2012-05-12 07:50:00 AM  
Now that's just sad. I can't imagine how it would feel to be treated poorly by my faith community. It's one of the huge problems I have with dogmatic faith systems of any kind. They seem as if they are not concerned with spiritual growth at all, only whether or not you follow "the rules" and grovel sufficiently before the leadership of the church/temple/whatever and the deity of choice.

So, lawyerly type dudes, can she not force the church to pay her legal fees when she wins her case? I think I remember hearing about judges ordering that kind of thing before in other cases. I am not certain though. Would she have to file a suit, her lawyer file his/her own suit to get paid, the judge just thinks the BGBC and pastor Chuck are raging douchebags and simply orders it? I am genuinely curious about how that works and if it varies by state (which I suspect it may, but I've been wrong before. Shocking, I know.)
 
2012-05-12 07:50:34 AM  
Brought up Catholic...grace as I interpreted it is "magical sky pixie dust" that god sprinkles on you when you stroke his ego.

It's also the "brownie points" that get you into heaven.
 
2012-05-12 07:53:15 AM  
Five bucks says this joint teaches the "prosperity" doctrine.
 
2012-05-12 07:54:23 AM  

Pipkin E: Five bucks says this joint teaches the "prosperity" doctrine.


I'd take that bet.
 
2012-05-12 07:56:50 AM  

Langdon_777: LOL none of us had ever heard of that church, let alone bothered to read a blog by an ostracized ex-member. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot! ... Bet Julie Anne Smith is enjoying her blog hits (hint: make t-shirts and sell them online ;)


Yep, it's the Streisand effect all over again.
 
2012-05-12 07:58:28 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: So, lawyerly type dudes, can she not force the church to pay her legal fees when she wins her case?


Also, can she try to get the case thrown out with the Anti-SLAPP laws?
 
2012-05-12 07:58:57 AM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com

Chuck O'Neal - 2 months ago
DEFAMATION IS A CRIME: It is convenient and crafty to wage a three and a half year war of reviling defamation in which you and those with you ACCUSE THE PASTOR AND CHURCH OF HORRIFIC CRIMES AGAINST GOD AND MEN,


Google reviews are almost a laugh.....
 
2012-05-12 08:02:23 AM  
 
2012-05-12 08:04:09 AM  

Baryogenesis: Mock26: OK, I have read a few posts from her blog, and I have to say that I like this woman. Sure, I am only reading one side of the story, but of the few posts that I read she comes across as a very down to earth woman with a good head on her shoulders.

This was a particularly good observation: "people act unloving and unkind because the rules are more important than the heart of the people"


I believe the word for these people is pharisee. Whom I believe Jesus was not too fond of.
 
2012-05-12 08:08:39 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Now that's just sad. I can't imagine how it would feel to be treated poorly by my faith community. It's one of the huge problems I have with dogmatic faith systems of any kind. They seem as if they are not concerned with spiritual growth at all, only whether or not you follow "the rules" and grovel sufficiently before the leadership of the church/temple/whatever and the deity of choice.

So, lawyerly type dudes, can she not force the church to pay her legal fees when she wins her case? I think I remember hearing about judges ordering that kind of thing before in other cases. I am not certain though. Would she have to file a suit, her lawyer file his/her own suit to get paid, the judge just thinks the BGBC and pastor Chuck are raging douchebags and simply orders it? I am genuinely curious about how that works and if it varies by state (which I suspect it may, but I've been wrong before. Shocking, I know.)


Assuming that she hires a lawyer who is not pro bono, she could, after she gets the suit thrown out, file a suit for vexatious litigation and claim the costs of defending her original suit as damages, perhaps, depending on state law. It wouldn't be a counterclaim because one of the elements is that the vexatious suit resolved in her favor.
 
2012-05-12 08:12:33 AM  

solokumba: this could be a fun thing to do on a saturday morning: review time


I recommend accusing them of being secret members of the lemon party then providing the URL to said site.
 
2012-05-12 08:15:15 AM  
"Ben is not my real name. My family is being shunned and we are no longer at the church as a result of asking too many tough questions that made the pastor feel uncomfortable. He could no longer risk having us there for fear his reputation would be spoiled. "

"I attended this church for a couple of years, and I am someone this church is shunning too. A practice they use when you question, or just don't agree with the pastor. I would strongly encourage anyone who is seriously considering attending this church to first research this pastors sermons on sermon audio, and listen too many of them with a very discerning ear long before you consider this place, paying close attention to "legalism". Research this place out first! "


Niice.


/"Chuck" sounds like a winner.
 
2012-05-12 08:17:26 AM  
Ha, someone over at her blog tagged Pastor Chuck as "Friar Chuck." I found that amusing for some reason.
 
2012-05-12 08:23:37 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: God will Fark you up.

/Song absolutely NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzlX9X3E18


It's only fair since we're all going to hell.
Link
Less NSFW but still NSFW
 
2012-05-12 08:24:43 AM  
WWJD?

He's sue your other cheek off, apparently
 
2012-05-12 08:34:38 AM  

Mock26: OK, I have read a few posts from her blog, and I have to say that I like this woman. Sure, I am only reading one side of the story, but of the few posts that I read she comes across as a very down to earth woman with a good head on her shoulders.



If that were true she wouldn't have been there in the first place.
 
2012-05-12 08:42:09 AM  

indylaw: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Now that's just sad. I can't imagine how it would feel to be treated poorly by my faith community. It's one of the huge problems I have with dogmatic faith systems of any kind. They seem as if they are not concerned with spiritual growth at all, only whether or not you follow "the rules" and grovel sufficiently before the leadership of the church/temple/whatever and the deity of choice.

So, lawyerly type dudes, can she not force the church to pay her legal fees when she wins her case? I think I remember hearing about judges ordering that kind of thing before in other cases. I am not certain though. Would she have to file a suit, her lawyer file his/her own suit to get paid, the judge just thinks the BGBC and pastor Chuck are raging douchebags and simply orders it? I am genuinely curious about how that works and if it varies by state (which I suspect it may, but I've been wrong before. Shocking, I know.)

Assuming that she hires a lawyer who is not pro bono, she could, after she gets the suit thrown out, file a suit for vexatious litigation and claim the costs of defending her original suit as damages, perhaps, depending on state law. It wouldn't be a counterclaim because one of the elements is that the vexatious suit resolved in her favor.


Thanks. I was pretty sure I'd heard about that before, but things fall out of my head pretty quickly if it's information I'll likely never need so I wasn't sure.
 
2012-05-12 08:43:32 AM  
This was a particularly good observation: "people act unloving and unkind because the rules are more important than the heart of the people"

wait. when did this get hijacked into a home owner's association thread.
 
2012-05-12 08:46:38 AM  

solokumba: this could be a fun thing to do on a saturday morning: review time


Thanks. That was fun.
 
2012-05-12 08:48:20 AM  
So one group of crazy religionists is oppressing another pair of crazy religionists?

100% guarantee that the defendants have participated in the persecution of homosexuals.

So let me get out my violin... it's the world's smallest, you know.
 
2012-05-12 09:05:15 AM  
Having seen cases like this before, the person who sues in a situation like this very quickly learns to regret a defamation trial which creates scandalous news (even if it is not true) every day. The media can print that when they cover the trial. Also, suing a private person for that much forces a trial because they don't have the money to settle..
 
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