According to Fark Independents drunk driving should not be a crime.

This mans constitutional right to kill people has been violated. The Hyundai should have stood it's ground.

Well, now we know he's not related to the Kennedy's

Teddy? Is that you?

Goodbye, big guy. We hardly knew ye.

I was worried that this multi-millionaire might have gotten off with only 16 years in jail, but luckily the article points out that he was also fined $10,000. That'll sure set him back!

Polo magnate?

Rape is a horrible thing, except when it happens to men in prison, then LOL

crab66: According to Fark Independents drunk driving should not be a crime.

No, no. You have it wrong. Drunk Driving was actually the Pre-Crime concept that Phillip K. Dick had in mind when he wrote minority report. I mean, come on. Millions of people drive drunk every year, and only around 25,000 of them manage to kill someone.

Even they'd agree that it's safe! Oh, and people text too!

BronyMedic: crab66: According to Fark Independents drunk driving should not be a crime.

No, no. You have it wrong. Drunk Driving was actually the Pre-Crime concept that Phillip K. Dick had in mind when he wrote minority report. I mean, come on. Millions of people drive drunk every year, and only around 25,000 of them manage to kill someone.

Even they'd agree that it's safe! Oh, and people text too!

shiat there were only 15,000 or so murders. Better make that legal.


Oh wait we already did. Stand your ground brah. Stand your ground.

miss diminutive: Or just convert some deserted parking lots near the bars into temporary shantytowns where people can sleep it off.

Taxpayers could pay for the cardboard shanties. Wait no. That would be socialism!

doglover: In Japan DUI is punishable by weregild (blood money)

You kill someone DUI, you pay their family their expected salary for the next 50 years or so. Y'know, till you die.

Do people even own cars in Japan, unless they're really rich?

BronyMedic: doglover: In Japan DUI is punishable by weregild (blood money)

You kill someone DUI, you pay their family their expected salary for the next 50 years or so. Y'know, till you die.

Do people even own cars in Japan, unless they're really rich?

I have a car. But I guess I'm also really rich.

Not really answering your question, I think.

The real story here is a rich person's going to gaol.

Incidentally, Tobias might be able to give him an idea of what he's in for.
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doglover: crab66: According to Fark Independents drunk driving should not be a crime.

It shouldn't be. We have the technology. We don't need people driving home from bars at all.

farkin' tax the rich, take the money, and build some light rail infrastructure.

Self-driving cars, hopefully within my lifetime. Light rail is inconvenient and will never happen because of the cost, property necessary, and time required to build.

The engineering graduate drowned while he was trapped inside his car.

Must have been a pretty pish engineering school he went to.

/we lost a moron. Good.

crab66: BronyMedic: crab66: According to Fark Independents drunk driving should not be a crime.

No, no. You have it wrong. Drunk Driving was actually the Pre-Crime concept that Phillip K. Dick had in mind when he wrote minority report. I mean, come on. Millions of people drive drunk every year, and only around 25,000 of them manage to kill someone.

Even they'd agree that it's safe! Oh, and people text too!

shiat there were only 15,000 or so murders. Better make that legal.


Oh wait we already did. Stand your ground brah. Stand your ground.

No one says any of that, quit circle-jerking each other's strawmen and get a room you two.

LowbrowDeluxe: No one says any of that, quit circle-jerking each other's strawmen and get a room you two.

Actually. People on here have said all of that, and were serious about it. Numerous times.

Isn't it great that the man and now prisoner's, get to stick it to the millionaire? If only we had a President who wanted to take all THEIR money that THEY earned.... Oh wait, we do. Never mind citizen.

bhcompy: Well, now we know he's not related to the Kennedy's

The Kennedy's what?

Mean Daddy: Isn't it great that the man and now prisoner's, get to stick it to the millionaire? If only we had a President who wanted to take all THEIR money that THEY earned.... Oh wait, we do. Never mind citizen.

Prisoner's what?

Idiot.

CarrieWhite: The real story here is a rich person's going to gaol.

Incidentally, Tobias might be able to give him an idea of what he's in for.
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Actually, no, he's going to be out on appeal because he can post a 7 MILLION DOLLAR BAIL.

Y'know, like anyone could...

/& justice for all....who can afford it.

cleveoh: /& justice for all....who can afford it.

Justice, healthcare and education are for those who can afford it. It's the American way. Why do you hate America? Are you a gay, Kenyan, socialist, fascist muslin?

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: Must have been a pretty pish engineering school he went to.

/we lost a moron. Good.

8/10

should have been spelled "moran"

The kicker is that the killer was driving a Bentley. If he had been driving just a big ol' Lincoln, he might have gotten probation.
Killing people with a car worth as much as a house never looks good in court.

/OK, a small house, depending on location.

crab66: LowbrowDeluxe: No one says any of that, quit circle-jerking each other's strawmen and get a room you two.

Actually. People on here have said all of that, and were serious about it. Numerous times.

Can you accept that people can be angry at the rampant abuse of drunk driving laws to milk and convict those dangerous criminals sleeping it off in their powered off cars, or cars running only a heater, and the slow whittling away of the 4th Amendment with checkpoints being used as a pretext to run traffic stops and sensory searches on everyone? Particularly drug dog checkpoints, with the known abuse and unreliability of drug dogs. Can we accept that despite the death rate having plummeted since 1980, fines and costs continue going up and states keep lowering the legal BAC below what's known to be actual impairment? Can you accept the numerous stories of minimally-functional alcoholics who drive with hilariously high BACs every day for years until finally being caught or having an accident with a BAC that school told us would kill you, that the checkpoints and low BAC limits don't ever seem to catch? Or the difference between a reckless driving manslaughter conviction (probation and fines), or a drunk driving manslaughter conviction (ten to thirty years in prison), despite the same innocent person dying because of someone's bad decisions?

No, you believe that anyone who has a problem with any of that automatically believes the drunk driving laws should be entirely stricken from the laws.

Someone should write a book about this and call it 'Bonfire of the Vanities'. Then they could make a move and Tom Hanks could be in it.

foxyshadis: Can you accept that people can be angry at the rampant abuse of drunk driving laws to milk and convict those dangerous criminals sleeping it off in their powered off cars, or cars running only a heater, and the slow whittling away of the 4th Amendment with checkpoints being used as a pretext to run traffic stops and sensory searches on everyone?

Except that it's been an actual argument on FARK, used several times, that people actually have a constitutional right to operate a vehicle while drunk (or to operate a vehicle, period), and that the outrage against drunk driving is actually a conspiracy manufactured between the NHTSA and MADD.

No. I do have a problem with people being convicted of DUI when they're sleeping in the back seat with the keys out of the ignition.

foxyshadis: Particularly drug dog checkpoints, with the known abuse and unreliability of drug dogs.

Well, this is a new argument I haven't seen before on FARK. But, let me tell you how easy it is to get out of giving the cops reasonable suspicion to pull you out of the vehicle and give you a sobriety test:

"Evening sir. Have you been drinking?" No.
"Where are you coming from tonight?" Mention nothing about bar or resteraunt.

It's just that easy.

foxyshadis: Can we accept that despite the death rate having plummeted since 1980, fines and costs continue going up and states keep lowering the legal BAC below what's known to be actual impairment?

The legal limit is 0.08. The peak number of DUI Deaths occur in the ranges of 0.07 - 0.16 per the 2008 NHTSA data.

Frankly, Europe seems to get by just fine with a legal BAC limit of 0.00. Of course, it also takes an act of God to get a license in the EU, so maybe that has to do with it too.

foxyshadis: Can you accept the numerous stories of minimally-functional alcoholics who drive with hilariously high BACs every day for years until finally being caught or having an accident with a BAC that school told us would kill you, that the checkpoints and low BAC limits don't ever seem to catch?

Yeah. It's ok because 9/10 it doesn't kill anyone. That 1/10 doesn't really matter. Gotcha. *wink*

foxyshadis: Or the difference between a reckless driving manslaughter conviction (probation and fines), or a drunk driving manslaughter conviction (ten to thirty years in prison), despite the same innocent person dying because of someone's bad decisions?

I fail to see a problem with that. Personally, I think if you kill someone because you're texting while driving, you should get the same penalty as if you were drunk while driving.

foxyshadis: No, you believe that anyone who has a problem with any of that automatically believes the drunk driving laws should be entirely stricken from the laws.

I do?

Really?

No. I pointed out that there is a sizable group of people on FARK that actually DO believe that Drunk Driving should not be illegal, that it's a victimless crime or pre crime, or that people really don't die from it - it's just a conspiracy created by MADD and the Government for x reason.